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From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e7ois_ADAMS_?=<francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:49:02 +0200
Subject: 15 / 16 "

Concerning wheels and tires, 15 or 16"

http://www2.roversnorth.com/roversnorth/techtips/ttwheelstires.html
--
François ADAMS     ICQ UIN 1736355
francois.adams@wanadoo.fr
adams@lpmi.polytechnique.fr

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:05:35 EDT
Subject: Re:  Dixon Bates Hitch

In a message dated 6/4/98 9:50:11 PM, you wrote:

>Do I set the trailer level, back the vehicle up to the
>trailer hitch and set the height of the ball to the level of the
>trailer, then add the equalizer bars to maintain height, or do I raise
>the ball so that when I let the tongue weight down the trailer stays
>level before I add the sway bars.

Not having your system, i can't say. But I do have to ask:

Doesn't the adjusting of the ball's height just level the trailer? I mean, the
ball could be at its lowest setting, and when you put on a trailer with 700
pound tounge weight, your vehicle will sag say 3 inches, and the trailer will
be nose down. Then you can move the ball to its highest setting, add the
trailer, and your vehicle would still sag, maybe a wee bit less since the
trailer would now be rocking back a bit, but the truck would still sag under
the weight of the trailer. Then you could move the ball to the middleish area
and when the trailer is hitched up, your truck would sag a few inches, but the
trailer would be level; that's what you're aiming for right?

We have a pintle/ball hitch ($$ from LR) on our D90, and it is more or less
fixed. The trailer maker asked how high it was, and made a trailer that rode
nose up when empty. His explanation was to keep the trailer's CG or whatever,
"down", so that when braking, the empty trailer didn't try to lift itself due
to its mass.  (he said it wasn't an issue with this trailer, a long one, but
short, one axle trailers have picked themselves up when empty from having a
hitch way too low...)I don't have to pull it, so I'm not too worried...
anyway, when loaded to 4000lbs, the trailer is level on its two axles, and the
D90 sags about 3 inches. It has no roof, but rear springs from a SW.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:18:18 EDT
Subject: Re: engine swap?

In a message dated 6/5/98 5:18:00 AM, you wrote:

>the 'old' leaf sprung 2.25 (and earlier 1.6 and 2litre)  carried hundreds of
>people for thousands of miles throughout the world (and still does).
>In other words, if it feels good, 'do it'
>It's all Land Rovering

I must agree, and without the *need* for rock-sliders, ARB this-or-thats,
Beluga Black Hellas, or whatnot. I have seen the same syndrome when someone
has a stock-ish LR, and they say, but don't worry, all the add-ons are next.
If it works fine, it will work just fine, right? I, for one, would resist
adding, say, rock-sliders to a vehicle of mine, until I really crunched a
sill, because until I do, how will I know I am in conditions that require it,
right? If I do it (add them on) and drive around for 4 years without having
them touch earth at all, then they weren't *that* necessary. 

I take my hat off to the people who own Land-Rovers and take them to the ends
of trails, just the way they rolled off the factory floor, 30 odd years ago,
and park next to the decked-out-in-add-ons just-bought LR.

just .02

--pat

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:22:54 -0500
Subject: re: IIa questions

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 06-05-98 07:22 AM

cc:
Subject:  re: IIa questions

Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

snip
>Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!!!!!

I've bought quite a few used LR's over the years, and my experience has
been that they've ranged from
the totally non-functional to the slitghtly functional, most being the
former.

>Lastly (for now) why does the spare wheel have about a dozen bolts
>around the inside rim?

You have two part rims. It allows you to easily break them down in the
field for repair. Note that tubless tires won't work with those rims.

*NEVER EVER*  undo the rim bolts with the valve core in place!

Technically speaking, you only need to let the air out, but it's better to
remove the valve core for two reasons:
1. The air empties quicker
2. With no valve core you know FOR SURE THERE IS NO PRESSURE IN THE TIRE

Get my point?  :-)

If you want to get rid of the rim, let me know, I use them on my
lightweight.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:34:58 EDT
Subject: Re: More series 11 questions (I now have it!)

In a message dated 6/5/98 6:11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
francois.adams@wanadoo.fr writes:

<< Alan==>switch. We also don't seem to be able to locate the horn button -
did 
 Alan==>it used to be on the steering wheel because ours has a small sports 
 Alan==>wheel fitted.
 
 Yes, on IIa and all other i've seen>>

It can also be mounted on a post which extends from the steering column (my
rover is set up that way--picture is in the manual)
 
<< Alan==>
 Alan==>Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!!!!!
 Alan==>
 
 No, it's easy to check the mechanism bye the hole between the seats,
 maybe another circlip or equivalent problem :-)>>

Frequently the hand brake doesn't work.  It is a combination of incorrect
linkage adjustment, worn out shoes in the transmission brake (from leavining
it on and driving around for a few days wondering what that smell is) and oil
leaks out the rear of the transferbox.

Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:37:05 EDT
Subject: Speaking of LR wheels...

I am under the impression that LR (Factory, original, etc) alloy wheels should
not be mounted on Salisbury axles, hence the NAS 110's have steel wheels (they
look proper on there IMHO), and the 90's have the alloy wheels. I was told
this is due to a seating (wheel on hub, not passenger) problem on the drum. Is
that right? Well, in a recent LROI, I saw a bit about the South African 110s
with the BWM straight-6, they had what looked like the same LR alloy wheels,
and I presume a Salisbury axle, too.

Is this a convention only, or a rule not to follow (putting LR alloys on the
Salisbury)? Not that I want to change from the steel wheels, I would just like
to know for sure.

--pat.
 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:47:27 EDT
Subject: Re:  looking for the horn...

In a message dated 6/5/98 8:37:14 AM, you wrote:

>It can also be mounted on a post which extends from the steering column (my
>rover is set up that way--picture is in the manual)

Why is that? The only other vehicle we have had with a horn like that was a
Renow (Renault?) in the mid-80s. It makes it so much harder to tap-out morse
code to the driver in front that the light is green, and one has to be more
gentle in applying the horn in rage ;-)  I didn't question it when we had the
renault, because there were enough things done wonky or in non-conventional
ways, for it to seem an integral part of a wonky car. Is it more common in
Europe? I think if Mercedes didn't already have 32 functions in the one big
remaining stalk they have, that their horn would be there too!

--pat.

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:22 +0000
Subject: Re:  looking for the horn...

 Is it more common in
>Europe? I think if Mercedes didn't already have 32 functions in the one big
>remaining stalk they have, that their horn would be there too!

Its not a stalk in the modern sense.More a long steel bracket really,
with a large "button" at its outer end,facing the driver.Wasnt a bad
idea IMO,because it wouldnt have been heir to all the ills of the
wheel centre horn push(dodgy connections to the brass ring at the top of
the steering column for one).
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 09:51:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

>>>one has to be more gentle in applying the horn in rage ;-) 

I don't know about the 110 but the SIII has the horn at the end of the 
indicator stalk. Push *in* for the hooter. When enraged you just pound the 
steering wheel for visual effect.

sheesh. gotta explain *everything* to these kids.

later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 10:04:21 EST
Subject: *was* engine swap?

rock-sliders, the adding of...
>If I do it (add them on) and drive around for 4 years without having them 
>touch earth at all, then they weren't *that* necessary. 

well of course if you DO add them you will never need them. If you dont, well 
then you taunt the evil hand of fate. Sort of like not carrying spares.

those little invisible gremlins get mighty pissed off at practical lads such as 
yourself. :)

I hit a rock with the outrigger that's just in front of the rear wheel, on the 
LH side. Bent it all the way up. Didn't touch the sill. Point is careful 
driving will save you from a lot more damage than some silly bit of mild steel.

>I take my hat off to the people who own Land-Rovers and take them to the ends 
>of trails, just the way they rolled off the factory floor, 30 odd years ago, 

tried to get to the end of one once but it went in a damn circle, so you can 
keep yer chapeau right where it is.
:)

later
DaveB (whose rocksliders are resting comfy on the front porch)

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:17:00 +0100
Subject: RE:Re: No LR content (PC)

I am looking for A Pentium MMX 200MHz with about 16Mb Ram and about 2.5 Gb HDD.

Also a good Video Card with at least 2MB on board and expandable and a good 
soundcard.

Also a 24 upwards cd drive.

Thanks
Geoffrey
Malta

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:18:42 EDT
Subject: Re: looking for the horn...

In a message dated 6/5/98 9:09:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk writes:

<<  Is it more common in
 >Europe? I think if Mercedes didn't already have 32 functions in the one big
 >remaining stalk they have, that their horn would be there too!
 
 Its not a stalk in the modern sense.More a long steel bracket really,
 with a large "button" at its outer end,facing the driver.Wasnt a bad
 idea IMO,because it wouldnt have been heir to all the ills of the
 wheel centre horn push(dodgy connections to the brass ring at the top of
 the steering column for one). >>

Interestingly enough, my 88 is a 67 IIa RHD (from Great Britain originally)
and has the steering wheel center horn button.  Someone put the bracket/stalk
horn button on I suspect due to the failure of the center horn button.  They
were kind enough to use genuine LR parts though.

Nate

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 10:17:45 EST
Subject: Re: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

>First, do not expect this message to be a perfect english grammar 
>exemple :-)

Hi TerriAnn...:)

>I  own my father's IIa 88 (It's not a station wagon, I don't remind 
>the exact name for this model (no sliding rear windows )).

hard top will do for now.

>I broke (no better term in mind) a part of the chassis (i should have 
>gone and see what really was under the mud ... :-( )

isn't that why we drive through them?

>> "la traverse centrale sous la boite de vitesses (gearbox)".

this is known in the US as the "immovable subsurface trail obstacle detector"
I believe you are referring to the gearbox crossmember which is the rail 
perpendicular to the chassis that supports the gearbox. How bad is it? Is it 
still attached? if it is just bent or dented than you can simply check to make 
sure it is still firmly attached and that the mounts themselves are still in 
good shape and not cracked.
If it is seperated from the chassis or too far bent then you will have to 
source a replacement and have it welded to the chassis
They go for about $75 in the US I think.

>I read in this ML something about 15" wheels.
>For what I know, LR were sold with 600x16 tires in UK (88 ), and 7.50 
>x16 in France . The speedometer (?) was not the same for those two 
>models.

US 88" SIIA and SIII from '69-74 had 15" wheels with 7x15's or something around 
that size. I think the overall tire dimension was close to the 600x16's. (those 
600x16's are rather dinky)

later
DaveB 

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:30:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Speaking of LR wheels...

Preface:

Sometimes I read a bunch of stuff, and while I can't point to a specific part of
a specific article, I am left with an "impression".  

I have the "impression" that there are later 110s that have 4-wheel disk brakes.
I was wondering if perhaps that also means that they don't have Salisbury rear
axles?  Or does it mean there's a Salisbury with disk brakes?  There's an
article in the September or October 1996 LROI about a 110 that Kelly Tires had
done up for road shows, and that vehicle had alloys all around, like the ones
you mention in the SA LRs.

Does anyone have any real data?  I've CCed Rob Smith (his is the blue 110), on
the suspicion that he knows.  

C

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> I am under the impression that LR (Factory, original, etc) alloy wheels should
> not be mounted on Salisbury axles, hence the NAS 110's have steel wheels (they
> look proper on there IMHO), and the 90's have the alloy wheels. I was told
> this is due to a seating (wheel on hub, not passenger) problem on the drum. Is
< that right? Well, in a recent LROI, I saw a bit about the South African 110s
> with the BWM straight-6, they had what looked like the same LR alloy wheels,
> and I presume a Salisbury axle, too.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
< Salisbury)? Not that I want to change from the steel wheels, I would just like
> to know for sure.

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:34:53 +0000
Subject: Re: looking for the horn...

  Someone put the bracket/stalk
>horn button on I suspect due to the failure of the center horn button.  They
>were kind enough to use genuine LR parts though.
You were lucky.When I got my '70 11A some village idiot had "rewired" the
horn button by wrapping loads of wire round the steering column,so it
unwound going one way,and wound up going the other.What it needed was
a new "follower" on the steering wheel to make contact with the brass ring
on the top of the steering column.Once I made one,it worked fine.Provided
you were going in a straight line......:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e7ois_ADAMS_?=<francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:39:02 +0200
Subject: Re: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

Hello

On Fri, 05 Jun 98 10:17:45 EST
dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

dbobeck==>>First, do not expect this message to be a perfect english grammar 
dbobeck==>>exemple :-)
dbobeck==>Hi TerriAnn...:)

no comprendo :-)

dbobeck==>I believe you are referring to the gearbox crossmember which is the 
rail 
dbobeck==>perpendicular to the chassis that supports the gearbox. How bad is 
it? Is it 
dbobeck==>still attached? if it is just bent or dented than you can simply 
check to
dbobeck==>make 

It has moved toward the rear, by about two inches.
The mounts (solders ? (soudures in french)) are broken, and the two
longitudinal rails of the frame / chassis are "open", I mean they are no
more square ... can't find a way to explain clearly

I think i will buy a replecement piece, I will scan / draw / photograph
my chassis to explain clearly what i need :-)

dbobeck==>600x16's are rather dinky)

I don't know the word dinky, but I see what it means :-)

--
François ADAMS     ICQ UIN 1736355
francois.adams@wanadoo.fr
adams@lpmi.polytechnique.fr

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: GM 6.2 Weight and Samurai Conversion

        Also look at a stronger gearbox and t-case. If this is to be a
boulevard cruiser (with no aggressive driving), it might live to see a few
sunrises. If you plan to use it as a Land Rover, consider swapping in
something stronger. Why not a GM trans & t-case.An automatic would be best
to ease the strain on the rest of the drivetrain. Then all you have to
worry about are the diffs and axles grenading.
         FYI the GM rigs used a 12 inch clutch, even on half-tons. The 10.5
inch McMaster mentioned is really JUST sufficient. Being that he has a 110,
the LT-77 and LT-230 (presumably) he has are just barely up to big diesel
torque themselves, a stock Series gearbox assembly is seriously
overmatched.

        Jim Allen

>NO WAY, this is NOT realistic! I could burn the 9.5" clutch on my SIII (with
>IIA box)going up hill with a Perkins 3.9ltr (200lbft) so what will a 6.2ltr
>do!! The Perkins is now on 10.5" Range Rover clutch/LT95 with no slip.
>Look at larger clutch.
>john
>______________________

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>john@chiaroscuro.co.uk
>green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 11:05:03 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

>>dbobeck==>Hi TerriAnn...:)

>.no comprendo :-)

this was an attempt at humor, at the expense of one of the other list members. 
wasn't sure if you'd get it. TerriAnn has been self conscious about her 
spelling latley. I on the other hand am a great speller but a horrible typist.

>.I think i will buy a replecement piece, I will scan / draw / 
>photograph my chassis to explain clearly what i need :-)

Patch the longitudinal rails so that they are strong again. Buy the replacement 
part and bolt it to the transmission. Jack it up so that the crossmember is 
touching the frma and wled it all together. Voila.

Dinky= petite

later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 11:07:42 EST
Subject: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

>You were lucky.When I got my '70 11A some village idiot had "rewired" the 
>horn button by wrapping loads of wire round the steering column,so it >unwound 
>going one way,and wound up going the other.

Idiot? Are you kidding? Why it sounds like pure genius! The schibe to end all 
schibes.

hehehe
later
DaveB

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From: Kevin Whitmarsh <kevin.whitmarsh@which.net>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:17:48 +0100
Subject: Re: Speaking of LR wheels...

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> I am under the impression that LR (Factory, original, etc) alloy wheels should
> not be mounted on Salisbury axles, hence the NAS 110's have steel wheels (they
> look proper on there IMHO), and the 90's have the alloy wheels. I was told
> this is due to a seating (wheel on hub, not passenger) problem on the drum. Is
> that right? Well, in a recent LROI, I saw a bit about the South African 110s
> with the BWM straight-6, they had what looked like the same LR alloy wheels,
> and I presume a Salisbury axle, too.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> to know for sure.
> --pat.

In the UK, since the 110 has been fitted with all round disk brakes (I
think this change happened in 1995), then alloy wheels have been
available as an option, and I have seen several in the UK with LR alloys
fitted.  

If you have drum brakes, then LR alloys will not fit.  

As NAS 110's were imported in 1993 I would guess they have drum brakes
on the rear.

As a quick visual check, then ends of the wheel studs have a slot like
indentation across them if they are capable of taking LR alloy wheels.
ie. a plain end on the studs indicated the steel wheel fitting only.

Other recent mails on one of the LR lists has mentioned that Compomotive
do some
alloy wheels that will fit older 90/100's

 
Kevin Whitmarsh
Basingstoke, UK

4-wheels  1985 110 County V8         1995 BMW 318IS Coupe
2-wheels  1993 Orange Elite with 'XT,Hope,Middleburn etc.

http://homepages.which.net/~kevin.whitmarsh/

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:15:17 -0400
Subject: Re: what to take with you

> Having broken down on the first trip out last night 

Well, nobody's answered his other question about what to take
out with you on the road. Inquiring minds want to know!

-Scott

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From: Kevin Whitmarsh <kevin.whitmarsh@which.net>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:34:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Speaking of LR wheels...

Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> Preface:
> Sometimes I read a bunch of stuff, and while I can't point to a specific part 
of
> a specific article, I am left with an "impression".
> I have the "impression" that there are later 110s that have 4-wheel disk 
brakes.
> I was wondering if perhaps that also means that they don't have Salisbury rear
> axles?  Or does it mean there's a Salisbury with disk brakes?  There's an

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)]
> < Salisbury)? Not that I want to change from the steel wheels, I would just 
like
> > to know for sure.

As per my earlier mail, yes in 1995'ish, Defenders became disk brakes
alround.  Rear axle on 110 is still salisbury.

Maybe of interest, there is a company in the UK who sells mounting
brackets to fit RR rear disk/calipers onto earlier salisbury axles after
having removed the drum brakes ect.  From memory, brackets cost about
£250 stg.  + cost of second hand calipers etc

Kevin Whitmarsh
Basingstoke, UK

4-wheels  1985 110 County V8         1995 BMW 318IS Coupe
2-wheels  1993 Orange Elite with 'XT,Hope,Middleburn etc.

http://homepages.which.net/~kevin.whitmarsh/

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Axles /was: Speaking of LR wheels...

At 07:30 AM 6/5/98 -0700, "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> wrote:
>Sometimes I read a bunch of stuff, and while I can't point to a specific
part of
>a specific article, I am left with an "impression".  
>I have the "impression" that there are later 110s that have 4-wheel disk

brakes.
>I was wondering if perhaps that also means that they don't have Salisbury rear
>axles?  Or does it mean there's a Salisbury with disk brakes?

 My impression is that the Salisbury is a heavy duty upgrade built
 for military uses, which were also used to replace failing standard
 Series Land Rover axles.  At the time of the design of the Defender,
 with a poor axle history and future military contracts in mind, why
 would Land Rover not redesign the axles entirely and come out with
 a single version, the D90/D110 axles?

-Michael

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:11:43 -0400
Subject: Re: More series 11 questions (I now have it!)

RE: Tools to carry

Besides a Jack, Lug Nut Wrench, & assorted Rachet & Sockets, the two most
important tools, I think, would be a pair of Visegrips & a large roll of
Duct Tape.  Oh yea, Don't forget your immagination so you can implement
those two tools properly!!! ;-)

Drew Squires
drrewteri@concentric.net
66 109 Still getting Dressed!

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:15:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Fram Oil Flirters, or, flirting with disaster

Curious?
    After all that surgury, What, in your opinion would be the best brand
filter for consider?

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
66 109 Still Getting Dressed

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From: "Clark, Patrick D." <Clark_PD@pillsburylaw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:22:24 -0700 
Subject: RE: Fram Oil Flirters, or, flirting with disaster

If you're in to open filter surgery-- compare WIX.  You won't find them
as readily as Fram-- but one look at the guts and you'll be willing to
hunt down a WIX.  

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From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:23:14 -0400
Subject: Readily apparent LR association

Check out this web site for a quick laugh. Its relevance to our hobby is
apparent.

http://www.tiac.net/users/cri/tools.html

Cheers,

Brian Cramer

'94 D90 (#1251)									
(888)434-4678 office
'90 RR County									
	(609)665-4451 office fax
'70 IIa Lightweight								
	(609)273-9708 home
'89 Range Rover (For Sale: $10,495 OBO)			(609)458-6671 cellular
										
			ICQ #5696173	

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From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:38:36 -0400
Subject: Trip to the holy land (LLRC)

LLRC=limited Land Rover Content

Sorry for the cross post and the limited LR content.

My wife and I are travelling to England (the holy land ;-)) and Scotland
(where pagans like Spenny and me are from) this July for vacation. We're
planning to leave London immediately and travel West, to Cornwall. Then, up
the west side of England to Scotland. We'll wander around Scotland and back
down to England for the last Saturday of Billing. We have a few days after
that when I think we'll be in London.

I'm wondering if anone has any tips/suggestions/advice about where to
go/what to bring, etc. Of course, I'd love to have a couple of pints with
anyone on the list!

Then, a week after our return, I'm travelling to Liège, Belgium on
business. I'll be in Liège from the 4th-8th of August and would like to
stay through the weekend. Any suggestions?

TIA

Cheers!

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol, green
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB), red, green, orange, natural
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:25:03 -0400
Subject: MOS

>Neil Sheridan wrote:

>Well, I re-read my registration.   I looked up my VIN 
>on the LRO FAQ.   I checked the letter I got from that 
>nice guy in Solihull.  I entered it again.  
>"You've entered an invalid VIN..."

>Now I feel completely invalidated.  If anyone out there 
>has gotten in, could you please tell me what it's like in
>the secret world of the Land Rover Owners?

Neil.  Don't sweat it.  Do you recall seing a movie "The Christmas Story"?
For quite a while, the central character, Ralphie, is waiting impatiently
for delivery of his Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring.  When it
fianlly arrives, he copies down the message at the end of the radio
program, and rushs upstairs to the bathroom to decipher it.

'Remember to drink you Ovaltine' it said.  "A crummy commercial!" pouts
Ralphie, as he drops the ring and "secret" message in disgust.  Unless
something has changed in the past two weeks, the secret site of the Muddy
Oval Society is a lot like that.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:33:19 -0400
Subject: Sunday off-road in NH

A reminder,

we are having an off-road event on Sunday June 7th in NH. Lots of good to
medium trails. Should be muddy, we be fun

This was / is a BSROA event, but there are open places. Anyone interested.
e-mail me or call me 603-357-3401 for directions.

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:25:24 EDT
Subject: Re: engine swap?

In a message dated 05/06/98  13:21:02, you write:

<< >the 'old' leaf sprung 2.25 (and earlier 1.6 and 2litre)  carried hundreds
of
 >people for thousands of miles throughout the world (and still does).
 >In other words, if it feels good, 'do it'
 >It's all Land Rovering
 I must agree, and without the *need* for rock-sliders, ARB this-or-thats,
 Beluga Black Hellas, or whatnot. I have seen the same syndrome when someone
 has a stock-ish LR, and they say, but don't worry, all the add-ons are next.
 If it works fine, it will work just fine, right? I, for one, would resist
 adding, say, rock-sliders to a vehicle of mine, until I really crunched a
 sill, because until I do, how will I know I am in conditions that require it,
 right? If I do it (add them on) and drive around for 4 years without having
 them touch earth at all, then they weren't *that* necessary. 
 
 I take my hat off to the people who own Land-Rovers and take them to the ends
 of trails, just the way they rolled off the factory floor, 30 odd years ago,
 and park next to the decked-out-in-add-ons just-bought LR.
  >>

Pat
my point, though, was that, although I've got all that kit - and use it - that
doesn't mean a standard needs to be apologised for.

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:25:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Speaking of LR wheels...

In a message dated 05/06/98  15:33:09, you write:

<< I have the "impression" that there are later 110s that have 4-wheel disk
brakes.
 I was wondering if perhaps that also means that they don't have Salisbury
rear
 axles?  Or does it mean there's a Salisbury with disk brakes?  There's an
 article in the September or October 1996 LROI about a 110 that Kelly Tires
had
 done up for road shows, and that vehicle had alloys all around, like the ones
 you mention in the SA LRs.
  >>

Christopher,

110s  have had rear disc brakes for a good few years and, yes, on the 110 that
means on the Salisbury (actually a Dana) axle.

This does not mean that, for me to fit rear discs on my 83 110 (with
Salisbury), all I have to do is to buy the modern gubbins and pop it on. It
means that I have to buy a kit (available from Ian Ashcroft) and then source
an early 80s Range Rover rear axle and take the bl**d* bits off. Good ol' Land
Rover went and did it again and made them all different sizes :-(

However, what the Ninety boyos do here (UK) is swap their rear axle for a
Range Rover one complete. It's slightly tougher than the Ninety, is easy (I'm
told) and has the discs ready fitted, of course. I could do that but then I'd
lose my Salisbury so no dice.

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:25:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

In a message dated 05/06/98  11:12:20, you write:

<< First, do not expect this message to be a perfect english grammar
 exemple :-)>>

like I said in earlier mail, don't bother about grammar etc
 
 >>I  own my father's IIa 88 . Actually i got it about 9 years ago. (It's
 not a station wagon, I don't remind the exact name for this model (no
 sliding rear windows )).<<

sounds like a simple hardtop
 
 <<My problem follows :
 
 I broke (no better term in mind) a part of the chassis (i should have
 gone and see what really was under the mud ... :-( )
 
 This part is the piece which is perpendicular to the vehicle axis, under
 the gearbox. I would like to know the US or english name for this ! I
 think it should be "the center crossmember"; In french i call it "la
 traverse centrale sous la boite de vitesses (gearbox)".<<

sounds like the gearboc crossmember, weld it up and get offr our there and
break it again :-)>
 
 >>By the way, there is not a lot of traffic on LRO - Europe :-( <<

very true
 
 >>I read in this ML something about 15" wheels.
 For what I know, LR were sold with 600x16 tires in UK (88 ), and 7.50
 x16 in France . The speedometer (?) was not the same for those two
 models.<<

the speedometer is the same, it's the final drive at the gearbox end that
was/is different. Put the bigger tyres on and you only have to get a new final
drive - about £15 UKP as I recall.
 
 >>Thanks in advance for your help.
 
 And by the way, I thank everybody acting in this list for the knowledge
 I get here (and vocabulary :-) ) <<

nice to hear from you. Land Rover Disease is international...

best cheers

Frank
 
  >>

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:25:18 EDT
Subject: Re: More series 11 questions (I now have it!)

In a message dated 05/06/98  11:11:54, you write:

 Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!!!!!<<

dunno, only use mine once a year, for the MOT !!
 >
 
 << Sorry for language, I am Frech (but LR lover anyway) >>

Francois,
your English is better than my Francais - and probably than my English as well
-
bonne chance mon ami

Frank

------------------------------

From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:57:37 +0100
Subject: RE: GM 6.2 Weight and Samurai Conversion

^^The 10.5
^^inch McMaster mentioned is really JUST sufficient. Being that he
^^has a 110,
^^the LT-77 and LT-230 (presumably) he has are just barely up to big diesel
^^torque themselves, a stock Series gearbox assembly is seriously
^^overmatched.
^^
^^        Jim Allen
^^

For just that reason I built it with an LT95 and 4 pin 24 spline front diff
with Ashcroft strengthened (larger diameter / stronger steel) front half
shafts......

;-)  john

______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:21:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Readily apparent LR association

Great!!!
Thanks Brian.  Good laugh!

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
66 109 Still Getting Dressed

------------------------------

From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:48 EDT
Subject: New addition to the family....

I've been working with Mike Smith, East Coast Rovers, on purchasing a
Dormobile for the last month.

Finalize the details this week and it will be loaded up on Monday to be
trucked to Phoenix.  

I know Mike has caught a lot of grief from un-happy people but I must say,
I've been very well treated.

He's kept his word and done what I've asked at every point to the point of
agreeing to come back from trail clearing/camping this weekend to meet the
shipper.  Luckily it didn't come to that and they'll load up on Monday.

This Dormobile has a little history.  Mike says it's been in Africa too.  It
is a LHD but has British plates on the rear.

Anyway, Mike brought it in today to prepare it for the move.  Fresh gas,
charge the battery and it fired right up.  The interior is in pieces but
they're all there.  The paint is faded but at 32, aren't most Landies?

I'm excited.... again!

Later..
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
SIIA '63 88" -> going away 
SIII '74 88" soft top  "Tigger"
'67 Dormobile  -> no name yet..
'95 Discovery "Great White"

------------------------------

From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:00:31 EDT
Subject: Re: More series II questions

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Alan Bishop wrote:

"what spare parts and tools I should carry"

Land Rovers are amazing, they know if you leave home without your tools.
You should have the following things in your Land Rover at all times:

 set of wrenches (spanners) including a few Whitworth wrenches.
 an adjustable wrench or two.
 spark plug and lugnut wrenches
 sockets set with ratchet and extensions.
 screwdrivers; big and small, plus and minus.
 hammer (the all-purpose Land Rover fixit tool).
 pliers; channel locks, needle nose and vice grips.
 container of nuts, bolts, washers, screws, cotter pins, etc.
 rolls of bailing wire, electrical wire, duct tape and electrical tape.
 hack saw blades & maybe even a handle.
 wire bristle brush and some rags.
 razor scraper and a knife.
 tube of form-a-gasket.
 can of WD-40 and one or two of motor oil.
 a spare set of spark plugs, points, condenser and distributor cap.
 jumper cables.
 jack or two (with appropriate blocks of wood).
 appropriate recovery equipment.
 membership in motor club, cell phone & cash; for when all else fails.

"Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!"

No.  But it is not uncommon.  It is possible, however, to fix this so that
it works properly.  This is a good task for learning how to fix things on
your Land Rover.

"why does the spare wheel have about a dozen bolts around the inside rim?

This may be an older MOD surplus split rim wheel.  I have one which had 1 by
2 inch metal ID plates on the two halves.

Welcome to the wonderful wacky world of old Land Rovers.

Paul Donohue
1965 RHD Land Rover Dormobile
Denver

------------------------------

From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:36:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

In message <bulk.25035.19980605030927@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Franois
ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr> writes
>Hello
>First, do not expect this message to be a perfect english grammar
>exemple :-)
>I  own my father's IIa 88 . Actually i got it about 9 years ago. (It's
>not a station wagon, I don't remind the exact name for this model (no
>sliding rear windows )).

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 38 lines)]
>francois.adams@wanadoo.fr
>adams@lpmi.polytechnique.fr

It is called the gearbox crossmember and is readily available here in the
UK. The SER 2a crossmember is a welded on item ,
-- 
andy Smith

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:19:27 EDT
Subject: Re: what to take with you

In a message dated 6/5/98 11:17:28 AM, you wrote:

>> Having broken down on the first trip out last night 
>Well, nobody's answered his other question about what to take
>out with you on the road. Inquiring minds want to know!

AA/AAA card
Cell Phone
Trailer with spare LR

ok, ok, just a bunch of tools and some spare parts... 

which tools? which parts? boy, that was an epic thread, and the list of "what
I bring" must be on a FAQ by now. BTW, what broke? If it was the head, I
wouldn't bring a spare head... if it was a fuse, I wouldn't have left home
without tin-foil & chewing gum...

--pat.

------------------------------

From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:38:08 +0200
Subject: RE: what to take with you

> > Having broken down on the first trip out last night
> Well, nobody's answered his other question about what to take
> out with you on the road. Inquiring minds want to know!

Apart from the X amt of spanners (which I am sure other mailers can give
advise on :-)) I carry some lenght of electric wire, spare lugs and
elctrician tape, especially on the old LR. 80% of my breakdowns were caused
by old wiring, breaking, rubbing through etc.

I have driven my SIII '76 out of the bush with a broken chassis, and on
another occasion my rear propshaft was held on by 1 and a bit bolts, but the
time my coil wire broke I was stuck. Had to canabilse a wire from the horn.
Since then I always carry these spares.

The other thing I carry in all my vehicles is Prestik. The list of uses are
endless. From stopping rattling windows to putting some on the tip of a
screwdriver for keeping screws in place to insert them in those hard to
reach places without dropping them.

I co-incidently fixed a friends LR('62 88 SWB) this last weekend when his
throttle linking lost its circlip and kept popping off at the carb side of
the linkage. Shoveda blob of prestick in, pushed it back on and never had a
problem for the rest of the day.

Riaan
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 PU

------------------------------

From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:  GM Diesel Update

 A correction on some facts I presented-

        The 4.3L Olds V6 diesel I mentioned was offered in '82-86 Olds A &
X bodies (Cutless,  Ciera, 6000 ?). It made 263 cid (4.3L) from a 4.057 x
3.385 bore and stroke. It was naturally aspirated and made 85hp at 3600rpm,
and 165 lbs-ft of torque at 1600rpm. Compression ratio was 21.6:1 TH
eengine code was "T" on the VIN. I happend to be at a GMC Olds dealer today
and yarned a bit. Apparantly it was reasonably reliable and parts are still
available, though dwindling in supply. A potential swap if I ever saw one!

        Jim Allen

------------------------------

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:11:13 -0400
Subject: Flywheel housing hole

Elwyn :   The hole in the flywheel housing is for access to the flywheel
timing marks, it is normally covered by a plate and gaskets. I am surprised
that a series 3 has one, they changed to the front pulley timing around the
intro of ser 3.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 23:22:54 +0200
Subject: Serie IIA

Hello again

You can see it (before my problems :-) ) at
http://www.mygale.org/09/fa1

I'm not responsible for the error occuring in the advertising banner !

A+

------------------------------

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:32:25 -0400
Subject: Speedo

The calibration of the spedo is related to the diameter of the rear wheels,
not the size of the rim.
 To identify the speedo look on the front face and you will find a number
which indicates the number of revolutions per mile of the speedo. On an 88
fitted with 6.50 x 16 tyres, nominally 29" diameter the standard is 1500
revs per mile, on a vehicle fitted with 7,50 x 16 tyres ( nominally 31 inch
diameter )  the standard is 1400.
 I would doubt that the diffeernce in diameter between normal 15 and 16 inch
tyres fitted to 88's would be significant. I must confess to not having
owned any 15 inch tyres ( yet ! I have some 15 inch rims sans tyres ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:30:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Speaking of LR wheels...

In a message dated 05/06/98  16:33:22, you write:

<< Maybe of interest, there is a company in the UK who sells mounting
 brackets to fit RR rear disk/calipers onto earlier salisbury axles after
 having removed the drum brakes ect.  From memory, brackets cost about
 £250 stg.  + cost of second hand calipers etc
  >>

That's Ian Ashcroft,  on  www.autoconv.com
and I'm surprised son, David, hasn't come in on this discussion yet 'cos I
know he's on some lists ( David ?)
and from my memory the price was half what you said Kevin. Like I said in an
earlier mailing, I'm hoping to do the conversion later this year (and it'll
then be in LRO)

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:29:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

In a message dated 05/06/98  16:17:19, you write:

<< schibe >>

here we go again - wot mean please?

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 23:38:02 +0100
Subject: Technicolour Lubricants & Gear Speeds

Hi Folks

While at a freinds today, as he reeled off the different little things that
would fail the mot... such as chassis, steering, seat, floor etc not
secured/bolted down/fixed securely he mentioned oil. Or, to be more
precise, the Diffs and Swivel Hubs.

Ok, i knew that the diffs needed oil, but not the swivles.  So i checked,
and they all were a brown gooey colour.

They felt more like muddy water than oil, so im gonna change it. Tomorrow.

So i figured. As they may have been damaged already, rather than drain and
refill a few times i would just drain, aireate and then refil, and then
make sure i check/change it regularly.

Can you let me know the timings to change it? depending on doing 150 miles
plus per week, one day a month off-road work (4x4 work) and bits of heavy
duty towing.

The other thing is speeds. I have an S2 g/b. I have partially master
double-de-clutching and was wondering if there was any speed/gear set down.
At the moment i use

>10mph = 1st/2nd
10>20mph = 2nd/3rd
20>30mph = 3rd/4th
40+ = 4th.

I dont have overdrive. Yet.

Cheers 
Elwyn

Landrover S3 LtWt & www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:54:17 EDT
Subject: Re:  Swivel oil

In a message dated 6/5/98 6:41:34 PM, you wrote:

>Can you let me know the timings to change it? depending on doing 150 miles
>plus per week, one day a month off-road work (4x4 work) and bits of heavy
>duty towing.

Who knows when you'll have to top it up, that kinda depends on how much they
leak... I would check them after going off-roading, especially if you have had
the LR in water. If you do a lot of wading, it would be worth changing the
seals properly (ie: not snipping them at the top and twisting them on) and
check the oil after wading events and change it when you feel the time is
right... the Zen of oil...

--pat.

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:52:12 EDT
Subject: Re: what to take with you

In a message dated 05/06/98  21:41:55, you write:

<<  Having broken down on the first trip out last night
 > Well, nobody's answered his other question about what to take
 > out with you on the road. Inquiring minds want to know!
  >>

thirty years ago my 'basic' tool kit fitted in a small ammo box, twenty years
ago the same 'basic' kit needed a medium sized ammo box, ten years ago it
needed a fairly large ammo box, today I can only lift my tool box out the back
with two hands 
...and in ten years time I reckon I'll need a trailler.

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:10:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998 Frankelson@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/06/98 16:17:19, you write: 
> << schibe >>
> here we go again - wot mean please?

Earl Shibe  is a chain of discount painters in parts of the US.  For a
low, low price they will paint any car.  For somewhat more money,  They
won't paint the windows too.  Shibe is used by some people on the list as
a description of the wrong way to fix a problem.  If it involves JB weld,
it might be a shibe.

david/ mr. sinclair

> best cheers
> Frank
> here we go again - wot mean please?

------------------------------

From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: GM Diesels

I just simply had to throw this into the discussion:  the infamous "350
Diesel" was primarily intended to serve as a car engine and it was built by
GM's automotive engine division(s).  (Does anyone remember if this horrific
thing was ever offered in GMC and Chevy trucks?)  On the other hand, the
6.2 was engineered and is actually built by GM's wholy-owned subsidary
Detroit Diesel.  So to be proper, this engine is a Detroit and not a "GM". 
To my knowledge, Detroit is one of the more autonomous members of the GM
family and the parent seems not to do too much dictating as to what they
produce.  Detroits are largely used a proprietary engines:  they power
towboats, tractor trailers, drill rigs and agricultural tractors among
others things.  And of course, everyone knows that the paint colour used on
Land-Rover blocks is almost an exact match to the one employed by Detroit.

Brian Willoughby
1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W.
1963 Volvo PV544 Sport
1987 Volvo 240DL

------------------------------

From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:16:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

In a message dated 6/5/98 9:12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, david@infocom.com
writes:

<< If it involves JB weld,
 it might be a shibe. >>

NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!  JB cold weld got me through Maryland inspection (Patched
little holes in the floor plates and such).  Gotta love a product like that.

Nate

------------------------------

From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:35:26
Subject: axles and computers

Hi all, Firstly about my latest rear axle deal. Remember the thread about
CRYO about ?? months age. Well yesterday I got my brand new set of Rover
type rear axles back from ONE CRYO in Orlando, FL. I had them treated for
about $54.00 including UPS shipping. For more info. about this process
please see their web site at http://www.onecryo.com  .
Usual disclaimers. They treat the axles for monster trucks, which would
twist in the splines and break, sounds familiar no?sounds familiar YES!
Well my fingers will be crossed for several years as I wait to see if it
worked 8^).

To the person who wanted to know about computer prices, check the following.

1- http://www.dell.com
2- http://www.micron.com    ALL OF THESE HAVE ON LINE PRICEING AND ORDERING
3- http://www.gateway.com

OR when you get here, go on line and use any search engine for computer sales.

I really don"t know about getting Apple information, but I am sure there
are Steve Jobs fans on this digest.

Jim Wolf

------------------------------

From: Ian Vowles <Ian@modricusa.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:00:51 -0500
Subject: A New Addition

Snip
<<I know Mike has caught a lot of grief from un-happy people but I must say,
I've been very well treated.>>

Ditto - I had Mike do work on a S11A I bought "unseen" !  He was very
helpful , promptly did what was requested and I would therefore use him again.

Pleased to say  it arrived last week - now the fun begins !

Ian
Pagosa Springs
Colorado USA

1966 S11A-88 (all original ! )

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:11:46
Subject: Re: Flywheel housing hole, discontinued by 1970.

Changed by 1970, my '70 88 doesn't have the timing plate but my 1965s do.

At 05:11 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Elwyn :   The hole in the flywheel housing is for access to the flywheel
>timing marks, it is normally covered by a plate and gaskets. I am surprised
>that a series 3 has one, they changed to the front pulley timing around the
>intro of ser 3.
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utk.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 15" speedo w/ 16" wheels

Frank asks:

>wot's a 15" speedo?
>Were Land Rovers fitted with 15" wheels in the States then?

Yep. Don't really no why, although I've heard that it was to meet bumper or
maybe headlight height restrictions somewhere. I really don't feel that
these "short" wheels fit the truck very well and prefer the look and feel
of 7.50X16's thus the switch. The gearing with the 15's is also lowered
significantly, fun in 1st low, but no fun in fourth on the road.

>Speedometer goes off the tyre size so, so long as you have a tyre on your 16"
>wheels that is the same height as the tyres on the (presumably 15") 'old'
>wheels you are replacing, the speedo will show the same.
>However, in the UK there are a handful of companies who will recalibrate a
>speedo from figures you give them, I assume there will be similar in the US.

Anyone had anything like this done in the states? Price?

-joseph
knoxville, tn

------------------------------

From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utk.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:35:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

> Almond yellow   38521        "camel yellow"
> SandGlow, it is also a old Jaguar color

For what it's worth, the MG archive quotes Sandglow as Dupont 44565 or
Ditzler 24300. I looked this up because I'm painting my IIa with it!

-joseph broach
knoxville, tn

------------------------------

From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:14:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 15" speedo w/ 16" wheels

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Joseph Broach wrote:

> >wot's a 15" speedo?
> >Were Land Rovers fitted with 15" wheels in the States then?
> Yep. Don't really no why, although I've heard that it was to meet bumper or

I suspect is was because light truck tires for 16 inch rims were very
difficult to find in the US.  15 inch stuff was much more common, and
available in wide variety of sizes.  This is still true to some extent,
though all of the Land-Rover important sizes are available.  My parts
manual lists the 15" wheels for US 88s, and for ROW spec vehicles with
7.20X15 or 800X15 sand tires.  I suspect these would have the other
speedo as well.

David/Mr. Sinclair -- who has 30X9.50X15 wheels, and a *brand new* 7.50X16
speedo, which won't read the same speed for the same revs twice....

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:15:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998 NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

me:
 << If it involves JB weld,
  it might be a shibe. >>
nate: 
> NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!  JB cold weld got me through Maryland inspection (Patched
> little holes in the floor plates and such).  Gotta love a product like that.

And your point is?

david

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:34:35 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 98-06-05 07:05:12 EDT, you write:

<< Hmmm...how would oil drain up? >>

 I guess by the same aerodynamics that cause the oil to coat rear doors ;>) 

Just wondering if it could be routed somewhere.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'95 Disco EFE

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:53:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: looking for the horn...

In a message dated 06/06/98  02:12:45, you write:

<< > here we go again - wot mean please?
 Earl Shibe  is a chain of discount painters in parts of the US.  For a
 low, low price they will paint any car.  For somewhat more money,  They
 won't paint the windows too.  Shibe is used by some people on the list as
 a description of the wrong way to fix a problem.  If it involves JB weld,
 it might be a shibe. >>

David,
thank you. In the UK such people are known as 'cowboys' I can understand how,
in your country, use of this word could cause some confusion!!

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:54:00 EDT
Subject: Re: GM Diesels

In a message dated 06/06/98  02:12:49, you write:

<< I just simply had to throw this into the discussion:  the infamous "350
 Diesel" was primarily intended to serve as a car engine and it was built by
 GM's automotive engine division(s).  (Does anyone remember if this horrific
 thing was ever offered in GMC and Chevy trucks?)  On the other hand, the
 6.2 was engineered and is actually built by GM's wholy-owned subsidary
 Detroit Diesel.  So to be proper, this engine is a Detroit and not a "GM". 
 To my knowledge, Detroit is one of the more autonomous members of the GM
 family and the parent seems not to do too much dictating as to what they
 produce.  Detroits are largely used a proprietary engines:  they power
 towboats, tractor trailers, drill rigs and agricultural tractors among
 others things.  And of course, everyone knows that the paint colour used on
 Land-Rover blocks is almost an exact match to the one employed by Detroit.
  >>

In the UK this engine is usually sold as an ''Oldsmobile'' or just plain
''GM'' althiough, personally I think ''Detroit Diesel'' would sound better.
 (It's still unpractical IMV)

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:54:01 EDT
Subject: Re: 15" speedo w/ 16" wheels

In a message dated 06/06/98  05:31:58, you write:

<<  I really don't feel that
 these "short" wheels fit the truck very well and prefer the look and feel
 of 7.50X16's >>

Damn' right!!
15 inchers on a Landie is heresey, my man.

another thought about the cheapest way of doing it. Out with a couple of
mates, one in the passenger seat, t'other behind in his car.
When you get to 30 the other flashes his lights and yr passenger writes it
down - and you say what's on yours, then 40, 50 and.... well it's a Land
Rover, so... back home, small sticker/Tippex on speedo in the relevant places.

best cheers

Frank

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