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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 7:50:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Flywheel housing breather

Hmmm...how would oil drain up?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:50:55 +0100
Subject: Belhousing Hole-at-the-top

Hi

My my '72 Lightweight I have a hole (presumedly for looking in...) at the
top of the flywheel. Very handy when putting the engine in.  And i was
thinking, supposing i managed to partially drown the engine and water went
over that hole, wouldnt it cause quite a lot of damage?  Some LRs have
covers, but mine doesnt. Does it matter?

Cheers for now

Elwyn

Landrover S3 LtWt & www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:54:47 EDT
Subject: Re: New engine

In a message dated 6/4/98 5:08:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dcockey@tir.com
writes:

<< The 6.2/6.5 GM diesels have nothing in common with the old 350 diesel
 (which was based on the Olds V8). The 6.5 is a major redo of the 6.2
 design. I'd avoid the early 6.5 for a conversion due to the fuel
 injection pump. (My wife is an engineer with GM Truck, and has been
 extensively involved with truck powertrains.) >>

No mas! No mas!

I stand corrected!!!  I spoke with a chevy dealer and also talked to the guys
at the machine shop (figured if anyone knew for sure they would).  Both
confirm completely what Aloha Peter and David Cockey have said:

The 6.2/6.5  diesel engine is a completely different block from the 350 block
(and its pathetic diesel conversion).  Now I've gotta give my mechanic a raft
of sh*t about this nasty rumor they've got started.

Nate

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:01:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

Okay.... well, I'm getting my first rover... finally found one that runs, but
looks not-so-hot... It needs paint really bad right now, and I want to
completely change the color... There are a couple of pictures of a 
color that I like... I'm not sure which color that is... it's not sand,
it's a little darker, a little greener/yellower than that.... here are the 
hrefs 
for the images...

http://www.badgercoachworks.com/images/ser-prod15.jpg
http://www.badgercoachworks.com/images/ser-prod5.jpg

I called badger coach works and no one answered, and I wrote them 
email, but to no avail.

thanks,

Scott

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:11:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

That looks like Sandglow - also known as Camel-bloodyawful-yellow. Rumor
has it that that's a Jag colour.

I think I have a paint # around here for it somewhere...if you really want
it I'll question your taste but I'll give it to you...8*)

                    ajr

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:37:35 -0400
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

> That looks like Sandglow - also known as Camel-bloodyawful-yellow. Rumor
> has it that that's a Jag colour.

Yeah... I saw that somewhere too, but I can't seem to find it again.

> I think I have a paint # around here for it somewhere...if you really want
> it I'll question your taste but I'll give it to you...8*)

I think that has something to do with why I like the color. I dunno. I 
would appreciate a number/color code of some sort.

thanks.
Scott

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:40:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

If you paint your truck this color, don't tell me - I'd hate to think I
helped you......8*)

This is dfrom an old list member, Bill Grouell (who was then at Sun
Micro...).

Almond yellow   38521        "camel yellow"
SandGlow, it is also a old Jaguar color

                    ajr

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:09:17 +0100
Subject: RE:to Geoff from Malta

I will contact you the date when I will be there.

Thanks
Geoffrey
Malta

Easton Trevor:
>A direct post bounced so.....
>When are you in Niagara Falls? You'll be close to several US and Canadian
>LRO's we could set up an inpromptu rally.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:20:13 EDT
Subject: Re:  Tuffy Box between front seats

Anyone using a Tuffy Box between the front seats? I saw one in a D90 yesterday
(a '94 from Seattle, w/Oregon plates, in Miami Beach). It looked like a clean
install, and better than the Factory provided box. Didn't get to measure
whether it was the 12 inch wide box or the 10 inch one... From eyeballing it,
12 would seem to fit.

Another question I have concerns mounting the box over the tranny inspection
panel. How does the box get mounted without having to do gymnastics with nuts
& bolts around the tranny?

Just curious, as it may be the answer to what to do with the space between the
seats since I've taken the wooden factory box out.

--pat.

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:37:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Tuffy Box between front seats

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone using a Tuffy Box between the front seats? I saw one in a D90 yesterday
> (a '94 from Seattle, w/Oregon plates, in Miami Beach). It looked like a clean
> install, and better than the Factory provided box. Didn't get to measure
> whether it was the 12 inch wide box or the 10 inch one... From eyeballing it,
8<

I've got one on my IIA.  I love it.  Mine is either 12 or 14 inches.  I can't
tell you for sure, because that Rover is on loan to someone.  There's a picture
of it on my web page at http://www.thelen.org/LandRover.html
 
> Another question I have concerns mounting the box over the tranny inspection
> panel. How does the box get mounted without having to do gymnastics with nuts
> & bolts around the tranny?

I mounted my box *to* the tranny inspection panel.  I then put a master key lock
on the latch.  To take it out, I have to disconnect a few wires (I *still* need
to put snap connectors there!), unlock the latch, remove three antenna cables
and pull out the box.  I've noticed it comes out easier through the passenger
side (steering wheel makes a nice fit puzzle if I do it on the driver's side).

> Just curious, as it may be the answer to what to do with the space between the
> seats since I've taken the wooden factory box out.
> --pat.
> whether it was the 12 inch wide box or the 10 inch one... From eyeballing it,
Wait a minute.  I just noticed I'm replying to Pat.  Is this for the 110?  I'm
planning on putting one in my 110, too, since I like the one in the IIA so much.
However, I can't see how to get to the fore two bolts holding the 110 cubby in
place.  I have gotton the aft bolts out, but can't find the others (from the
top, that is).  I haven't looked closely at the bottom yet, but I fear the
bottom nuts are fixed, since I got the bolts out from the top with nothing
holding the bottom nuts in place.  Note that I haven't spent a *lot* of time on
this, as SWMBO wanted me to do something to the house the day I tried it.  So,
if you get the cubby out, please drop me a line--I'm sure I'm missing something
obvious, but neither the shop manual nor the parts catalog shed much light.

C

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From: Jtwinkle88@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:00:09 EDT
Subject: 1969 Locking Door latches needed

Looking for two locking latches (Drivers side and passenger side) for my 88
series.  these were apparently unique to 69  to 71 models... please contact
John Stiller
Jtwinkle88@aol.com

Thanks in advance 

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:50:18 EDT
Subject: Summer event attendence Empire etc OR who / where ??

OK who's going to what? I, Mike, and the 80" :-), will be going to the
Birthday Party and Greek Peak , hey it's only 600 miles :-), but I don't know
if we will be going to the "Down East"  I have gotten a missive from Myles !!
describing the event and it sounds like fun but that means another week away
from home. ( and work )
Based on past performance the LRNA event in Lanham will be a big
dissapointment for PRE LRNA rover owners. ( LRNA is after all only interested
in selling NEW rover / bmw products. ) AND I haven't been able to get
permission to run the 80 on their test track . British car day in Bowie has
it's attracitons tho. AND it IS only 20 miles from my house. 
I think the determining factor will be the people at the various events. 
Opinions anyone ?? 
Rgds Quintin 

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Which paint to use?

For Series paint colors see  www.landrover.net/paint

-Michael

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:42:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New engine

><< The 6.2/6.5 GM diesels have nothing in common with the old 350 diesel
> (which was based on the Olds V8).
O.K., now that we have all accepted this as the gospel truth....

>No mas! No mas!
Mas, Mas.....
Now lets talk about the differences between the 6.2 and the 6.5.....and
don't anybody say.....    .3L

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:28:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: GM 6.2 Diesel Engines

 I decided on the GM engine because of parts =
>availability and price as well as  a generally good service and =
>reliability history.
What about the power/weight ratio for this engine??  How heavy of a unit is
the 6.2?
 My adapter came from Samurai in London =
>and I used Mohammed at Europarts/Roverland as my agent, total cost for =
>the adaptor delivered to Missouri was $1400.
IS $1400 for an adaptor an average price?  That seems to be a bit high from
what Ive heard others talking about.

I see that you are in Sedalia Ms...   I'll be going through that part of
the world on I-70 sometime on Wednesday on my way to Denver.  I'll honk and
wave from my big yellow moving truck....  it'll be the one with a marine
blue series III on the trailer..;)

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "Neil Sheridan" <neilsheridan@nac.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:19:59 -0400
Subject: Secret Society Discriminates Against Land-Rover Owners

Why do I own a Land-Rover?  Because, in the words 
of LRNA, Inc.:  Land Rover Owners are a special breed of 
adventurers, and just for you we've created an area of 
www.Best4x4.LandRover.com for the "Muddy Oval Society." 

Naturally, I couldn't wait to join the exclusive society 
known to its members as "M.O.S."

I learned that entry to M.O.S. is carefully protected by the 
LRNA rangers.  Great, I thought!  No J**p, T*y*ta, or Kia 
owners on these cyber-trails.  I oriented my browser to: 
http://best4x4.landrover.com/?owners/owners.html.   
To enter, one must obtain a secret password because:  
"This password-protected area is made available only to 
Owners of Land Rover vehicles."

What, say you, does the password get you?   
"Here you'll have access to news about exclusive 
Land Rover events, travel expeditions, and other 
benefits of Land Rover Ownership."

I could hardly wait!   But I had a problem, I'm sure 
I have a VIN plate, but it's at the bottom of a box 
somewhere.  Luckily, LRNA reminded me about VINs:  
"Note: Your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) is 
17 characters long and can be found on your vehicle 
registration OR your title. You can also read it on your
vehicle by looking through the windshield on the 
driver's side of the dashboard OR inside the driver's 
door jamb."

Well, who knows where their title is?  I thought I looked 
carefully enough at the dashboard and door jamb but 
all I could find were spiders' nests.  Finally, I found my 
registration taped to the back of my AAA / Zippy Tow 
service card.  I rushed back to the computer and 
breathlessly typed in my trusty IIA's VIN where LRNA 
instructed:  "To enter, please indicate your Vehicle 
Identification Number (VIN) here:"
I must have made a mistake because the message 
came back:  ""You've entered an invalid VIN.  Please 
check your VIN and try again."

Well, I re-read my registration.   I looked up my VIN 
on the LRO FAQ.   I checked the letter I got from that 
nice guy in Solihull.  I entered it again.  
"You've entered an invalid VIN..."

Now I feel completely invalidated.  If anyone out there 
has gotten in, could you please tell me what it's like in
the secret world of the Land Rover Owners?

Neil Sheridan
'65 IIA Parts and tools collection

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:30:53 -0400
Subject: Servo time

Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com> wrote:

>I have a 1971 IIA with power brakes, when I step on the brakes, I hear a
>noise like when I pull a vacumn hose off an intake manifold. The harder
>I press the louder it gets, At a stop it affects the idle.

The diaphrag has gone west...and the "major" service kit for the servo unit
hasn't been available over here since the early 1970's.

>Can new diaphrams be bought or do I have to buy a whole new servo?

Nope and yep.  However, the unit *can* be disassembled.  (I've been meaning
to do an autopsy on my old one, but it's one of those roun' tuits.)  I've
seen similar sized truck units, and a truck brake place here in town says
they could "most likely" rebuild it.  Anyone else had any luck here?

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:09:04 EDT
Subject: Re: GM Diesel

In a message dated 04/06/98  01:12:55, you write:

<< No failures during Desert Storm?   That may be true of the 72-hour (or
 whatever) period of the attack, but when you have thousands and thousands of
 HMMWVs running around in the desert for 88 mos. in 120-degree heat, I'd be
 shocked if some didn't go.
  >>

I heard that, it was on a ''Discovery'' channel (one of our satellite channels
in the UK) programme about 4wd.
Doubled as an advertisment for the Hummer Car Company (sic)

best cheers

Frank

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Secret Society...

At 02:19 PM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
:Why do I own a Land-Rover?  Because, in the words 
:of LRNA, Inc.:  Land Rover Owners are a special breed of 
:adventurers, and just for you we've created an area of 
:www.Best4x4.LandRover.com for the "Muddy Oval Society." 
...
:"Here you'll have access to news about exclusive 
:Land Rover events, travel expeditions, and other 
:benefits of Land Rover Ownership."

 It's all just hype about bogus 50th Anniversary Events
 (long since past), The Lodge (hanging out in an overpriced
 cabin), and Adventures (travel vacations by LR's).  See for
 yourself, use this VIN number...   SALHV1244KA111111

-Michael

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnung_Jensen?=" <bjjen13b@online.no>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:32:40 +0200
Subject: Re: Secret Society Discriminates Against Land-Rover Owners

>...................."You've entered an invalid VIN..."
>Now I feel completely invalidated.  If anyone out there
>has gotten in, could you please tell me what it's like in
>the secret world of the Land Rover Owners?
>Neil Sheridan
>'65 IIA Parts and tools collection

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!

LRNA - what about it!!!!!?????

Bjørnung Jensen
Norway (LR is international, yes?)

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From: "Mark L. Freeman" <baker@iland.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:44:57 -0500
Subject: GM 6.2  Weight and Samurai Conversion
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Russ Wilson and Leslie Bitner wrote:

What about the power/weight ratio for this engine??  How heavy of a unit =
is
the 6.2?

The weight of the 6.2 is about 900 pounds.  I was not worried about the =
additional weight due to the heavier springs on the one tonne. Steeing =
may be quite a workout.

My adapter came from Samurai in London =3D
>and I used Mohammed at Europarts/Roverland as my agent, total cost for =
=3D
>the adaptor delivered to Missouri was $1400.
IS $1400 for an adaptor an average price?  That seems to be a bit high =
from
what Ive heard others talking about.

You are correct, I forgot that I also paid for an new driven plate, =
pressure plate and throw out bearing on the same Europarts invoice.  =
Adaptor, flywheel and engine mounts from Samurai was $1064. Adapters for =
D-90,110 are much cheaper since the do not require the additional steel =
adaptor ring. I believe that the majority of the Samurai units are for =
the later model Land Rovers.

I predict that the 9" Land Rover clutch may be the weak link in this =
chain.  I don't think this will be the vehicle that I'll let my boys =
practice their clutch skills on.

I see that you are in Sedalia Ms...   I'll be going through that part of
the world on I-70 sometime on Wednesday on my way to Denver.  I'll honk =
and
wave from my big yellow moving truck....  it'll be the one with a marine
blue series III on the trailer..;)

If I see you I'll wave back.  Good luck with your move.  I guess you =
will become the western outpost of the Fort Pitt Land Rover Group.

Mark Freeman
Sedalia, Missouri

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:24:10 +0100
Subject: No LR content (PC)

Does anyone know the prices of PCs and Laptops in USA??/

Thanks
Geoffrey
Malta

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From: Matthew Wilson <bogatyr@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:32:22 -0400
Subject: Re: No LR content (PC)

heres the machine i just bought:
p2 350
adaptec 2940uw
ibm 4.5 uw disk
64mb
soundblaster gold
56k
viewsonic gs771
4mb agp video
32x ide cd
total for all this ~2700, and it flies...

At 10:24 PM 6/4/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Does anyone know the prices of PCs and Laptops in USA??/
>Thanks
>Geoffrey
>Malta

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:04:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Secret Society Discriminates Against Land-Rover Owners

There's nothing in there but an ad about the LRNA Land-Rover-Moose-Lodge in
colorado and an ad to lease a disco or something equally useless (the info,
not the vehicle).

I went in once, and it was as blah and contrived as the rest of the crap LRNA
puts out, like "The Journal". Arrgh.

LRNA has it backwards and all wrong, as usual.

--pat.

ps: If you *really* want to access that section, grab some D90's VIN off of
the D90  Registry... shhhh. it is a secret website, and this was a secret way
to get in. hahahahahaha...   hahahahahaha.

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Jeff Meyer's Odyssey (fwd)

Forwarded message:
>From kholling Thu Jun  4 18:17:15 1998
Subject: Jeff Meyer's Odyssey
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:17:15 -0400 (EDT)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Length: 1142      

Hi,
Looking through some of my LR magazines (mostly LROI but a few
Land Rover World's, largely because of Jeff Meyer's Odyssey
series).  Maybe why I liked Jeff's article so much is because
it takes place in Canada (well, some of it), and feeds my
dreams of one day making a similar trek (in my case, probably
with my son or daughter instead of a dog I don't have).
There were some messages a few months ago lamenting the death
of Jeff's dog.  Did anyone manage to find an email address 
for him, or is he lurking here somewhere?  I'd like to find
out if it's possible to get ascii versions of his article(s)
since the only one I have is installment 5 of the Odyssey.

On another topic, isn't that 50th anniversary issue of LROI
great?  I love that A-Z section with lots of little
facts and pictures.  Anyways, that was an issue well worth
buying, in my opinion, and it's given me several memorable
bus rides to/from work, reading it on the bus and dreaming
of some exotic LR expedition one day...

Regards,
	--Robert
-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:20:16 +0100
Subject: RE: GM 6.2 Weight and Samurai Conversion

^^The weight of the 6.2 is about 900 pounds.  I was not worried about the =
^^additional weight due to the heavier springs on the one tonne. Steeing =
^^may be quite a workout.

Fair enough

^^I predict that the 9" Land Rover clutch may be the weak link in this =
^^chain.  I don't think this will be the vehicle that I'll let my boys =
^^practice their clutch skills on.

NO WAY, this is NOT realistic! I could burn the 9.5" clutch on my SIII (with
IIA box)going up hill with a Perkins 3.9ltr (200lbft) so what will a 6.2ltr
do!! The Perkins is now on 10.5" Range Rover clutch/LT95 with no slip.

Look at larger clutch.

john

______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:15:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Which paint to use?

In a message dated 04/06/98  13:17:02, you write:

<< Rumor
 has it that that's a Jag colour. >>

first used on the Allegro!!!
and I got that from the guys in SVO who were putting it on Camel Discos at the
time.

best cheers

Frank

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 16:37:17 -0700
Subject: New page to my web site

I have just added a new page to my web site along with updates and 
corrections on others.

The new page is a collection of part numbers for series cars including 
such things as seals, bearings, spark plugs, filters and 'U' joints.  It 
has a set of paint codes and a little section about alternative carbs.

Please get back to me if you see any errors.  Please pass on any 
additional numbers that you think would be appropriate to add to this 
page.  A number of people have contributed parts of the info posted there 
so it is already a group effort.

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:37:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Jeff Meyer's Odyssey (fwd)

In a message dated 04/06/98  23:21:05, you write:

<< On another topic, isn't that 50th anniversary issue of LROI
 great?  I love that A-Z section with lots of little
 facts and pictures.  Anyways, that was an issue well worth
 buying, in my opinion, and it's given me several memorable
 bus rides to/from work, reading it on the bus and dreaming
 of some exotic LR expedition one day...
 
 Regards,
 	--Robert
 -- 
 Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
   kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying) >>

Robert,
on behalf of Carl Rodgerson - who still doesn't know which end of a PC to put
his shilling in to make it work :-)> - I'll thank you for those comments. I
know he and the rest of the production crew worked bl**d* hard on that issue.

best cheers

Frank (the mad one, in the back)

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:37:49 EDT
Subject: Re: GM 6.2 Weight and Samurai Conversion

In a message dated 04/06/98  23:22:33, you write:

 ^^I predict that the 9" Land Rover clutch may be the weak link in this =
 ^^chain.  I don't think this will be the vehicle that I'll let my boys =
 ^^practice their clutch skills on.
 
 NO WAY, this is NOT realistic! I could burn the 9.5" clutch on my SIII (with
 IIA box)going up hill with a Perkins 3.9ltr (200lbft) so what will a 6.2ltr
 do!! The Perkins is now on 10.5" Range Rover clutch/LT95 with no slip.
 
 Look at larger clutch.
 
  >>
The 110 I have driven with the GM conversion (work carried out by Samurai) had
an autobox conversion (Stateside - but don't ask me which) as well.

it needed it!!

best cheers

Frank

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From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:39:43 -0700
Subject: Dixon Bates Hitch

What is the proper way to set up a Dixon Bates type hitch with the
adjustable ball height and using an
Equalizer Hitch?  Do I set the trailer level, back the vehicle up to the
trailer hitch and set the height of the ball to the level of the
trailer, then add the equalizer bars to maintain height, or do I raise
the ball so that when I let the tongue weight down the trailer stays
level before I add the sway bars.  I have never really known how to set
the bars so that equal pressure is on the trailer and the tow vehicle.
I would like to get the vehicle so it doesn't sag at the hitch and is
still easy to steer and won't sway on turns.
Dave VE4PN

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:15:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: engine swap?

It has been very interesting listening to the different ideas on engine
swaps for the mighty, or not so mighty 2.25L.  In the old country the Iveco
has it's supporter in Mr. Elson who is most happy with his converson.  Here
in the states the great unwashed masses seem to be fixated on gas powered
cubic inches.... The diesel fan of late is Mr. Freeman who got everyone
straightened out on the great GM diesel question...350 or not???   Now that
we all know that the 6.2/6.5 has nothing to do with that other engine that
GM would rather not talk about (350)..we here in the states can wait and
see how this 6.2 that Mark? Freeman is putting in his 109 works out.  It is
funny to see how far reaching this list is that in one area a conversion
will make good sense and in another make no sense at all because of
availabilty of parts or just the cost of fuel.  This all was running
through my mind as my little 2.25 started up on the first push of the
button and then happily pulled my tired butt home up and over the hills....

happy trails

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:27:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Jeff Meyer's Odyssey (fwd)

All,

     Personaly I must say the May 1998 issue is my personal favourate. 
     (Page 109 Our XD "Princess")

Rover on...

Steve 
Armada Off-Road LLC 

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From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utk.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:06:15 +0100
Subject: 15" speedo w/ 16" wheels

I'm in the process of finishing a resto on my IIa 88" and have the problem
indicated in the subject. I'm fitting 16" wheels and have only the original
15" speedometer. Let me go ahead and respond to a few of your replies in
advance:

1) Buy a 16" speedo, they're readily available

But bloody expensive, too! A new one would cost more than the five new
wheels are.

2) Live with the 8-10% difference

But my friends already make fun of the roverly pace, do you really think
they'd belive me when I told them the speedo's just slow, ha!

3) Trade with me, I need a 15" speedo

Now you're talking!

But, seriously, I wonder if there's any way of "recalibrating" a
speedometer to work with the new wheels? I know that they can be adjusted
to compensate for wear or whatever, so why not?

regards,
joseph
knoxville, tn

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:44:53 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: Cracked Drum

Steve Fullwood wrote:

: Does anyone have a 10" drum for a 61 Series II 88".  It cracked at the
: bolt hole used to remove it when I tried to get it off (see below).
Sorry to sound smug, but I have never used the threaded bolt hole to remove the 
drums. Gentle tapping with a hammer all round on the thick lip of the drum is 
always much more effective. 

: Do you think it is usable?
You know the answer to that one !

: Should I replace both front since one is cracked?
No need

: Can I put on a used one?
Yes, but check the internal diameter if you can against factory dimensions. 
It may have been skimmed at some time in its life.
Alternatively if the wear is acceptable, a secondhand one can be substituted.

: What about new
If you really want to pay for a new one .....

: Also my brake problem is that the brakes are locked. Yes I released the 
: snail cams and I rebuilt the master cylinder.
: My pedal is rock hard maybe moves 3 inches after I bleed and none of the
: wheels will rotate even with the snail cams released
This really sounds like the brakes are incorrectly assembled, with shoes 
transposed or snail cams the wrong way round.

: Upon inspection the wheel cylinder seals were dry with crusty old brake 
: fluid but the bore was clean and the cylinders moved freely. 
: What is the criteria for replacement or rebuilding
I don't play around with seal kits anymore, as they invariably don't last as 
long as replacing the whole item. If I was overlanding etc, I could see the 
point in taking rebuild kits to save space and weight. At home I don't skimp.

Good Luck.

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:33:31 +0000
Subject: Re: No LR content (PC)

> heres the machine i just bought:
> p2 350
> adaptec 2940uw
> ibm 4.5 uw disk
> 64mb
> soundblaster gold
> 56k
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> 32x ide cd
> total for all this ~2700, and it flies...
If that's Pounds Sterling then it's damn expensive!

If its USD then it's about the same as the UK (assuming you go to a 
good independant and not a large high street rip-off chain store).

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
-------------------------------------

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:55:28 +0100
Subject: Re: No LR content (PC)

Missed the original thread of this with yesterday's email problems.

A machine like this needs to be on RC5-64.  See
http://www.cix.co.uk/~rigel/rc5.htm
Uses spare cpu cycles to work on cryptography challenges. Prize money
available.
(doesn't affect overall machine performance incidintally, as the client
program runs NICEd/low priority)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

steve@solwise.demon.co.uk on 06/05/98 09:33:31 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: No LR content (PC)

> heres the machine i just bought:
> p2 350
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 13 lines)]
> 4mb agp video
> 32x ide cd
> total for all this ~2700, and it flies...
If that's Pounds Sterling then it's damn expensive!
If its USD then it's about the same as the UK (assuming you go to a
good independant and not a large high street rip-off chain store).
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
-------------------------------------

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Fram Oil Flirters, or, flirting with disaster

Nate performs some open - filter surgery.

: I used to use Fram until curiosity led me to cutting one open and comparing
: with some other brands. 

I must also confess to performing this procedure. I was thoroughly fed up with 
paying three times the price for a OEM part rather than a branded part.
(Alfa Romeo in this case)

I found the amount of fiter paper and area to be exactly the same, but the 
design of the non return valve was different. In the 'Branded' part this was a 
better quality coil sprung mechanism.

I broke apart several cheap used filters until I found a design that was 
comparable on the grounds that 3 cheapies equalled 1 OEM.

I then went with the best pattern design and saved a considerable amount.
(well, a few pounds :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:15:00 EDT
Subject: Re: engine swap?

In a message dated 05/06/98  05:17:55, you write:

<< hat in one area a conversion
 will make good sense and in another make no sense at all because of
 availabilty of parts or just the cost of fuel.  This all was running
 through my mind as my little 2.25 started up on the first push of the
 button and then happily pulled my tired butt home up and over the hills....
  >>
Russ,
did you read my piece ion ''only's'' in LRO last year?
basically (but in nicer words) I said that I frequently get p*ss*ed off by
people who, when you're looking over their Landie, say 'it's only on leaf
springs' or 'it's only got a two and a quarter' - as if they need to
apologise.
 Some of us, because of job/availabilty/whatever have a need for coil springs,
or a beefier engine  - or, what the hell, we just WANT more, why shouldn't we?
-  but just 'cos Persil has been improved don't mean the old Persil didn't do
the washing....
the 'old' leaf sprung 2.25 (and earlier 1.6 and 2litre)  carried hundreds of
people for thousands of miles throughout the world (and still does).
In other words, if it feels good, 'do it'
It's all Land Rovering

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:15:01 EDT
Subject: Re: 15" speedo w/ 16" wheels

In a message dated 05/06/98  06:08:49, you write:

<< I'm in the process of finishing a resto on my IIa 88" and have the problem
 indicated in the subject. I'm fitting 16" wheels and have only the original
 15" speedometer. Let me go ahead and respond to a few of your replies in
 advance:
  >>

wot's a 15" speedo?
Were Land Rovers fitted with 15" wheels in the States then?

Speedometer goes off the tyre size so, so long as you have a tyre on your 16"
wheels that is the same height as the tyres on the (presumably 15") 'old'
wheels you are replacing, the speedo will show the same.
However, in the UK there are a handful of companies who will recalibrate a
speedo from figures you give them, I assume there will be similar in the US.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:31:17 +0100
Subject: More series 11 questions (I now have it!)

Just taken delivery of the series 11a I asked questions about the 
other day and so I now have a few more.

Having broken down on the first trip out last night (now there's a 
surprise!) I am wondering what spare parts and tools I should carry 
at all times. I know you can't cover every eventuality but a lot of 
things are going to minor and easily fixed - I hope. This time it was 
just the throttle linkages falling apart due to lack of circlip but 
we almost could not fix it because we had nothing at all with us.

I am also trying to work out what all the switches on the centre 
console actually do - most appear to no nothing. I guess that some 
have been added, like the panel with cigar lighter another pull 
switch. We also don't seem to be able to locate the horn button - did 
it used to be on the steering wheel because ours has a small sports 
wheel fitted.

Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!!!!!

Lastly (for now) why does the spare wheel have about a dozen bolts 
around the inside rim?

Regards

Alan

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From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e7ois_ADAMS_?=<francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:07:16 +0200
Subject: Re: More series 11 questions (I now have it!)

Hello

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:31:17 +0100
Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Alan==>
Alan==>Having broken down on the first trip out last night (now there's a 
Alan==>surprise!) I am wondering what spare parts and tools I should carry 
Alan==>at all times. I know you can't cover every eventuality but a lot of 
Alan==>things are going to minor and easily fixed - I hope. This time it was 
Alan==>just the throttle linkages falling apart due to lack of circlip but 
Alan==>we almost could not fix it because we had nothing at all with us.
Alan==>
Alan==>switch. We also don't seem to be able to locate the horn button - did 
Alan==>it used to be on the steering wheel because ours has a small sports 
Alan==>wheel fitted.

Yes, on IIa and all other i've seen

Alan==>
Alan==>Is it usual for the handbrake not to work at all!!!!!
Alan==>

No, it's easy to check the mechanism bye the hole between the seats,
maybe another circlip or equivalent problem :-)

Alan==>Lastly (for now) why does the spare wheel have about a dozen bolts 
Alan==>around the inside rim?
Alan==>

Perhaps to open it, like on jeeps, to mount tires more easily 

Sorry for language, I am Frech (but LR lover anyway)

--
François ADAMS     ICQ UIN 1736355
francois.adams@wanadoo.fr
adams@lpmi.polytechnique.fr

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From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e7ois_ADAMS_?=<francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:07:19 +0200
Subject: Chassis problems on IIa 88 1971 & 15 "wheels advice

Hello

First, do not expect this message to be a perfect english grammar
exemple :-)

I  own my father's IIa 88 . Actually i got it about 9 years ago. (It's
not a station wagon, I don't remind the exact name for this model (no
sliding rear windows )).

My problem follows :

I broke (no better term in mind) a part of the chassis (i should have
gone and see what really was under the mud ... :-( )

This part is the piece which is perpendicular to the vehicle axis, under
the gearbox. I would like to know the US or english name for this ! I
think it should be "the center crossmember"; In french i call it "la
traverse centrale sous la boite de vitesses (gearbox)".

By the way, there is not a lot of traffic on LRO - Europe :-(

I read in this ML something about 15" wheels.
For what I know, LR were sold with 600x16 tires in UK (88 ), and 7.50
x16 in France . The speedometer (?) was not the same for those two
models.

Thanks in advance for your help.

And by the way, I thank everybody acting in this list for the knowledge
I get here (and vocabulary :-) )

--
François ADAMS     ICQ UIN 1736355
francois.adams@wanadoo.fr
adams@lpmi.polytechnique.fr

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