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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:14:43 +0100
Subject:  '88 's at army suplus auvtion in Belgium

For anyone interested,

The Belgians are doing it again,  12 Rover 88 petrols 4x2 on 
auction as army surplus. 
Possibility to see the goods, 8 to 12 june, auction on the 19 th of 
june.

Anyone interested?

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:56:12 +0100
Subject:  '88 's at army suplus auvtion in Belgium

Some more info

Models are 88, 2.25 petrol, softtop 4X2, THIS MEANS 2 WHEEL DRIVE, 
you could add a transferbox and frontaxel and make it 4 wheel drive.
This is a boldon conversion I am undertaking myself right now.
Condition varies as do prizes I witnessed some of them go for 
44.000Bfr and for as little as 20.000 Bfr (I bought that one!!) 
And I bought another one for 42.000 Bfr last december.
Last time there were some with very good chassis and good 
firewalls(some minor rust in the footwell's.  Condition of the 
engines is unknown, but I had both of them running in five 
minute's......
The auction will take place in Brussels on the 18 th. of june.(slip 
of the finger in my previous mail) If you buy one and your offer is 
accepted you will have to pay (by mail) and then aprox 4 weeks later 
you can pick them up. These vehicles are from 1975 and 1974, so 1 or 
2 years of being tax exempt.
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 07:29:58 -0700
Subject: Re: New engine

>I have read a lot about the 6.2 l GM V8 Diesel.

First let me say that I have no direct experience with this engine and 
anything I say about it is hearsay.  But I have listened to a lot of 
people talking about the engine when it first came out.

The GM V8 diesel does not have one of the best reputations in my area.  
Unless they did some major redesigning over the years it is a converted 
petrol design and has marginal streingth.

I understand that this is a big wide engine.  You may have some fit 
problems in a series body.

Have you considered something like the IVCO diesel?  

>Dennis Kuhl   
>Owner 109 SIII  1980 SANTANA SW
'
Dennis if you don't mind starting another thread, would you mind 
describing the brake system that came on your 1980 Santana?  Do you have 
discs on the front?

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:45:00 EDT
Subject: Re: New engine

In a message dated 6/3/98 10:33:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
twakeman@cruzers.com writes:

<< The GM V8 diesel does not have one of the best reputations in my area.  
 Unless they did some major redesigning over the years it is a converted 
 petrol design and has marginal streingth.
 
 I understand that this is a big wide engine.  You may have some fit 
 problems in a series body.
 
 Have you considered something like the IVCO diesel?   >>

Having several (GASP!) GM products over the years, the story from the local
mechanics is as follows:

  In the 80's GM wanted to offer a diesel in their trucks to try and compete
with Ford and Dodge(Cummins diesel).   They took their 350 block, tweaked
around a bit and voila! Diesel power.  It was weak and prone to LOTS of
trouble leading to premature failure.  The GM diesel reputation stunk.  They
made more changes and came up with a derivative which was more reliable, but
singularly unremarkable in performance in comparison to Ford's and Dodge's
diesel powerplants--which are truly amazing diesel engines.

With the new millennia around the corner, GM is trying to swing a deal with
Caterpillar to use one of their diesels in the upcoming GM trucks, finally
realizing that their attempt at diesel power was too little too late. 

Nate

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: lack of power

hi everybody 
          i,ve recently purchased a 1965 series 2a and i,m not sure as
to whether i have a problem. A friend recently through a rod on the
A11 in his series 3 LWB 109. He asked if i would tow him home a
distance of some 5 miles on a flat road. The problem is that i had a
lot of trouble towing him i could,nt hold forth gear. both of the land
rovers are free running and dont need a lot of efort to push, i
thought that i would have towed him fairly easy. my land rover seems
to go faily well, not that i have a lot of experience  
(two months to be precise).
          if any one has any ideas or suggestions i would be very
greatfull.
          thanks in advance

 

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:07 -0500
Subject: RE: New engine

TeriAnn wrote:

/>Dennis Kuhl   
/>Owner 109 SIII  1980 SANTANA SW
/'
/Dennis if you don't mind starting another thread, would you mind 
/describing the brake system that came on your 1980 Santana?  Do you have 
/discs on the front?

I have seen a lot of 1980's Santanas (SWB), but none of them had disks.
Plain old drum brakes is what I saw. 
Are they supposed to have disk brakes on front? 

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com 

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:06 -0500
Subject: about IVECO engine swaps

Looking aroud I found this:

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/froben/lrrr.htm
 
check it out, it says its for Land Rovers
Have not yen seen it, but Im getting disconnected untill noon. (increasing data 
line speed!!)

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:53:49 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: New engine

Just to correct a little misconception about GM diesel engines that seems to
crop up all the time.  The GM diesel installed in CARS during the 1980's AND
based on the 350 cid engine is TERRIBLE. Always was. 
BUT the GM diesel that is the object of this conversion , the 6.2 and 6.5 ltr
is a beast of a completely different color.  It is NOT the same engine. I
don't think it has any part larger than a lockwasher in common with the 350
one. The 6.2 has Gobs of torque and power. VERY durable and not to expensive
here in the USA. 
ALSO it will fit in a Range rover OR a RHD series rover with NO chassis
cutting, There maybe some B-head mods on the series rover,    Also I THINK the
steering box is in the way for a LHD series truck. :-(
Good luck on the transmission tho. 
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:57:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: New engine

Quintin:

Seems like you've pulled this one off before - where'd you get the adapter
ring for the gearbox?

                    ajr

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From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:09:47 -0400
Subject: my new old '88 RR - engine problems.

Hey guys.. I picked up a 88 RR last week.   Well, I was too cocky and
lazy
to check it out.I kinda looked it over, drove it around the block, gave
teh guy the
$$,  drove it home.
On the way home - no power, barely can go 55MPH, overheating like crazy
(almost off the scale), manifolds glowing cherry-red.  People were
saying melted
converters,  I was guessing timing WAAY retarded (the vac. advance
actuator fell off the
dizzy !) So I put it back on Sun nite,  it runs like a champ now - no
overheating, plenty
of power.
On the bad side - from under the car I can def. hear a spun bearing ,
from
the frequency
I think it's the main.   And the oil light flicker on and off (haven't
checked the oil press. w. a gauge yet.)  So if it wasn't fried when I
got it, I  toasted it driving
overheated from Phila to the shore (80-90 miles)
I want to  just try to replace the spun main in the car.

Anybody tried a quick brg replacement in-car on these?  I wonder if
being
an alloy
block,
it's def. fried so a new shell won't crush properly..  And how to slide
the
top
shell out?

thx
Jan

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:01 -0400
Subject: Re: my new old '88 RR - engine problems.

Re: Getting the top bearing out:

One of my favorite toys for jobs like this is a large piece of shim stock -
basically a big square-edged feeler gauge made of spring brass.

It'll ease the bearing out without scratching the crank - though I dunno as
you're not there already from the sound of it.

                         ajr

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:43:19 -0700 
Subject: Production Line Work Order Tag?

It was a beautiful warm evening last night so I decided to drag my seat
box assembly outside and start dismantling the old seat frames and
install my 'new' deluxe black vinyl adjustable seats (thanks again
DaveB).

I scraped and vacuumed off 37+ years of crud from the top of the box,
undid all the nuts holding on the old rusty brackets, and out falls this
little piece of paper.  I almost chucked it in the garbage thinking that
it was just an old pay parking ticket stub, but I thought twice and
turned it over and found it to be what looks like the Land Rover factory
assembly line work order tag.

At the top it says:

Land Rover   88
LINE NUMBER 8429

Then it lists a bunch of codes such as:

E1091 E1154 E1179 A
E72 E1114 E1162 E1187...  about 20 codes
Then
M.P.H. Speedometer  (that's pretty obvious)
Then what appears to be N.G.F.  in big letters.

Well, rather than trying to describe it, I scanned the label and posted
it on my web page at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/label.jpg
You must go directly to this link as it's not in the picture gallery
yet.

Does anyone know what the codes and numbers stand for?  
Was it standard procedure at the factory to tuck the label under the
seat brackets?  It might be worth checking your Landy if you have an
older vehicle.  If it can survive in mine, open to the elements for 5
years as it was... 

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

 

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:48:22
Subject: Re: GM Diesel

	These gm diesel engines are not the infamous engines of the 1980's.  I
don't know the numbers but those engines have blown up and gone to diesel
hell so shouldn't be many, if any, of them left out there.  
	The current gm diesel is a light duty diesel with a decent reputation.
They are not 1/2 ton boat anchor commercial diesels, however.  They are
designed to have a reasonable weight to horsepower output and should have
reasonable longevity in the six figure range but not the multiple 6 figure
mileage claimed for the commercial diesel engines.  The best thing going
for them is they give decent horsepower without a turbo charger.  Turbo's
shorten engine life and are one more system to repair.  I believe these are
the same engines as fitted to the Hummer and light duty pickups etc. from
GM.  If there are any questions about their reliability listen to this
rumor.  Supposedly there were no failures of hummers in the gulf war.  If
anyone has seen what a 19 year old GI can do to a piece of equipment in a
matter of minutes, that is some tribute to the hummer and all its components.
	My concern would be the weight and how much cutting would be needed to
make it fit and, of course, whether the rest of the drive train would take
it.  It would seem logical that the series transmission and the series rear
axle would have to go too, if the engine could be shoe horned in.  I agree
with Terry Ann that the smaller 4 and 6 cylinder diesels would seem to make
a better fit.
	I doubt that you are going to find much in the way of used diesels here
over what would be available in Europe.  With the price of gasoline here,
Diesels are just not that common.
	As far as source, LROI is full of British companies making swaps of 
every
engine conceivable into the Rover.  A company called Frog's Island, or
something like that, is just one that has been mentioned favorably.
	As an aside, the Cummins in the Dodge trucks is reputed to weigh over a
1,000 pounds.  Just what the rover needs sitting over the front axle. 
Aloha Peter 

At 07:29 AM 6/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>I have read a lot about the 6.2 l GM V8 Diesel.
>First let me say that I have no direct experience with this engine and 
>anything I say about it is hearsay.  But I have listened to a lot of 
>people talking about the engine when it first came out.
>The GM V8 diesel does not have one of the best reputations in my area.  
>Unless they did some major redesigning over the years it is a converted 
>petrol design and has marginal streingth.
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>"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
>Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Mark L. Freeman" <baker@sparc.internetland.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:43:52 -0500
Subject: GM 6.2 Diesel Engines
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I am in the process of installing a GM 6.2 in a 1975 109 one tonne that =
originally had a LR 2.25 diesel. I have been following the various posts =
on the suitability of the GM diesel and I thought I would let you know =
about my project. I decided on the GM engine because of parts =
availability and price as well as  a generally good service and =
reliability history.

If anyone is considering a GM diesel I would highly recommend looking at =
a web page done by a GM diesel engine enthusiast; Jim Bigley =
http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/ This site has loads of information =
including a couple of links to engine adapter manufacturers who fit the =
GM engine to Land Rovers. Bigley contends that the GM 6.2 and 6.5 =
engines are the only US made light duty diesels the can be easily and =
inexpensively rebuilt. The Cummins and Ford units are more powerful and =
more robust but the cost of rebuilding these engines often exceed the =
total value of the vehicle.

Used engines are plentiful in the midwest as this engine is popular in =
3/4 and one ton trucks. I paid a $1200. for a 1987 6.2 from a GMC pickup =
with 87,000 miles on the engine. My adapter came from Samurai in London =
and I used Mohammed at Europarts/Roverland as my agent, total cost for =
the adaptor delivered to Missouri was $1400.

I can see that the engine fit will require the left foot well to be =
trimmed and I'm using exhaust headers from a Army spec. Hummer to avoid =
interfering with the steering control arm.

The GM lump is reported to be a real oil leaker so I thought it was =
pre-adapted to my use. More later....

Mark Freeman

Sedalia, Missouri USA

1974 88 petrol

1975 109 one tonne (see above)

1997 Disco

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From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:21:07 -0500
Subject: Cracked Drum

Hi, 
	Does anyone have a 10" drum for a 61 Series II 88".  It cracked at the
bolt hole used to remove it when I tried to get it off (see below).  Pissed
me off.  The crack does not go into the area used for braking, only along
front about 1 inch lateral to the hole.  Do you think it is usable?
probrably not huh.  Should I replace both front since one is cracked? Can I
put on a used one?  What about new.  Also my brake problem is that the
brakes are locked. Yes I released the snail cams and I rebuilt the master
cylinder correctly adjusted the pushrod. Could the flexlines be blocked.  I
bled the whole system 3 times.  I have not replaced or rebuilt the wheel
cylinders.  Could this be my problem.  Upon inspection the wheel cylinder
seals were dry with crusty old brake fluid but the bore was clean and the
cylinders moved freely.  What is the criteria for replacement or
rebuilding.  I am really stumped.  Everyone else seems to have the opposite
problem of mine with a squishy pedal.  My pedal is rock hard maybe moves 3
inches after I bleed and none of the wheels will rotate even with the snail
cams released.  I am following the directions in the Green Bible for a CV.
I really need to fix this as it is the last thing to do before I can get it
inspected(figured get it running first didn't anticipate problems stopping
it).  I promissed my wife I would get it out of the backyard this summer. 

Thanks alot,

Steve Fullwood
1961 Series II/IIA 88" Basic

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:40:08 -0400
Subject: Vacumn leak in servo

Hello;
I have a 1971 IIA with power brakes, when I step on the brakes, I hear a
noise like when I pull a vacumn hose off an intake manifold. The harder
I press the louder it gets, At a stop it affects the idle. I am sure it
is a vacumn leak, but is it the diaphram or one of the other seals. Any
ideas? I plan to take it apart to find out the cause, but since I have
two other vehicles i'm not in a rush.
Can new diaphrams be bought or do I have to buy a whole new servo?

I have a spare servo which I had planned on using for another project,
but I don't know that state of that one.

Also, Is there any where around Brewster NY to do some light
off-roading? I might be there for a graduation in mid June.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:51:28
Subject: Re: Cracked Drum

Had a similar problem in one of a series of Porsche Speedsters I used to
own.  It would roll if left for a period of time but on first application
of brakes they would lock up.  I sold it for a $1,000 rather than fix it
after leaving it in the driveway for a year.  Not one of my smarter moves.
New owner changed the brake lines and probably is still laughing at my
stupidity with his $50,000 classic. 
	Going used on the drum would probably be okay if you have both drums
turned to the same diameter.  Be sure that your drum and the new used drum
have enough meat to take another turning.  Drums are not that expensive,
however, so I would buy new ones if you are going to keep the car.  It also
might be an opportunity to go to 11" drums but that would require a new
master cylinder as the brake parts and would be significant bundle of money
if you have to go with new parts.
	Aloha Peter

At 03:21 PM 6/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>	Does anyone have a 10" drum for a 61 Series II 88".  It cracked at the
>bolt hole used to remove it when I tried to get it off (see below).  Pissed
>me off.  The crack does not go into the area used for braking, only along
>front about 1 inch lateral to the hole.  Do you think it is usable?
>probrably not huh.  Should I replace both front since one is cracked? Can I
>put on a used one?  What about new.  Also my brake problem is that the
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>Steve Fullwood
>1961 Series II/IIA 88" Basic

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:17:48
Subject: Re: Vacuum leak in servo

Haven't seen a source of parts for the biscuit.  Word is that they are not
user rebuildable and no source of professional rebuild in the US.  Get your
wallet out as they are pricey at over $250.
	I'd check the hoses, etc. to be sure but it sounds like mine when it 
went
south.  You can disconnect it, plug the hole in the manifold and drive it.
You will save money on gym's as your right leg will soon surpass your left
leg in muscle tone.
Aloha Peter

At 04:40 PM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello;
>I have a 1971 IIA with power brakes, when I step on the brakes, I hear a
>noise like when I pull a vacumn hose off an intake manifold. The harder
>I press the louder it gets, At a stop it affects the idle. I am sure it
>is a vacumn leak, but is it the diaphram or one of the other seals. Any
>ideas? I plan to take it apart to find out the cause, but since I have
>two other vehicles i'm not in a rush.
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>off-roading? I might be there for a graduation in mid June.
>Keith R. Mohlenhoff

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:46:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Production Line Work Order Tag?

In a message dated 98-06-03 12:46:40 EDT, you write:

<< http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/label.jpg >>

Is that the body colour and trim colour on the bottom of the ticket? 

Pretty cool 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:53:49 -0700 
Subject: RE: Production Line Work Order Tag?

You write:

>Is that the body colour and trim colour on the bottom of the ticket<

Yup, the body colour was originally sand.  The trim colour appears
blank.  The 88 was trimmed in the usual black vinyl stuff...
I'd really like to know what the other codes mean.  Probably stuff like
left hand steering, split tail gate, hard top, petrol 2&1/4 ect...

Paul in Victoria

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:34:08 EDT
Subject: Re: New engine

Dennis,

lots of engines to go for, the 2.5 turbo is ok, the Tdi is superb but perhaps
costs a lot.
The Iveco 2.5 turbo (I have) fitted to Iveco Turbo Daily, Renault Traffic,
Fiat Ducatto and readily available in Germany - I can give you info for the
kit from UK.
Daihatsu 2.5 and 2.8 turbo, kits available in UK
Isuzu and Puegeot 2.5 turbo............

The GM is a superb engine, I have been in Morrocco in a 110 with that engine
fitted, but it needs almost a complete reengineering of the vehicle.

best cheers

Frank

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:43:43 -0500
Subject: Oil Filters

Some filters are truly different.  For instance, original equipment Volvo
filters (manufactured by Mann) have a built in themostat-controlled valve
that prevents oil from entering the filter until the engine is up to
operating temperature.  It's said to reduce wear, etc. by keeping all of
the available lubricant sealed within the engine and crankcase under the
harsh conditions presented to the motor upon start-up.  Nonetheless, it
doesn't sound as if this is what the folks at Fram are now installing in
their filters.

Brian Willoughby
1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W.
1963 Volvo PV544 Sport
1987 Volvo 240DL

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:05:39 EDT
Subject: Re:  Oil Filters

Brian wrote about the Volvo Thermostated Filters, and it may be a possibility
in one of the filters I have: if I look down the center, there is a coiled
spring, and if the spring is some temperature sensitive metal, it may be like
that, but I doubt it. More pondering leads me to believe that spring is for a
bypass in case the filter element becomes too restrictive, like when people
don't change their oil for 20K miles, and don't change the filters at all
during that time.

As an aside, has anyone used "OBERG" renewable filters? They supposedly have a
warning button that pops up when it is time to open it up and clean it. I've
seen them on the Baja race vehicles, but it was at least 10 years ago... and
was probably just a fad, like so many race-gadgets that don't endure the test
of time.

--pat.

(thought more about actually changing the oil today, but it was 96F on the
terrace I do it on, maybe tomorrow night...)

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:19 EDT
Subject: Re: GM Diesel

No failures during Desert Storm?   That may be true of the 72-hour (or
whatever) period of the attack, but when you have thousands and thousands of
HMMWVs running around in the desert for 88 mos. in 120-degree heat, I'd be
shocked if some didn't go.

I've heard of them dying at work, but our trucks are super-old, and I don't
think it's too common for them to die at all.

I will say that we had some completely knackered HMMWVs in Bosnia:  these were
vehicles pieced together from dead HMMWVs in a scrapyard in Cege, Netherlands.
We call them Cege Packages and every time you say it, people moan and roll
their eyes--real maintenance nightmares.

To let you know how shot these vehicles were, we had three wheels fall almost
completely off due to the gear hubs (kind of like a UniMog--input on top,
wheel hub on bottom for more clearance) disintegrating inside.  But we had
zero engine problems w/ them the whole time over there, 'cept a few exhaust
manifolds going.  And there was one that was darn near impossible to start
cold, but that was probably due to catastrophic glow plug failure, which is
VERY common up here at Ft. Drum NY, and in Bosnia.  But I think that's mainly
due to operator ignorance of proper starting procedures.  But I think it's a
bit much to ask of a diesel to try to start it when it's -20F and it's sat for
a couple days w/o any engine heating setup other than the glowplugs.

Bottom line:  if these engines were really a disaster, our soldiers would
complain endlessly about what junk they are, but the don't, so I can only
assume that they're at least decently reliable and durable.

Bill

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:45:06 -0600
Subject: Re: lack of power

Christopher,

I am wondering if the 109 was properly preped to be towed and was put in
full nuetral( all possible levers placed at nuetral) and also if the front
hubs of the 109 where locked or free. If there was friction building up in
his drive line this may have put a drag on your vehicle. Also don't forget
tha the 109 weighs about 600 to 800 pounds more than the 88. ( depending on
body style)...

John

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:48:11 EDT
Subject: Flywheel housing breather

Hi all:

Has anyone tried a breather tube in the clutch flywheel housing hole where the
wader plug goes ? I thought I read somewhere that D90's had one & I would like
to fit one to Rufy (SIII 88). The rational is that it will keep oil from a
small the
engine rear seal leak from causing occasional judder and will just keep out
moisture & dirt. 

Thanks in advance,

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'95 Disco EFE

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From: "Keith Cutler Family" <cutler_family@ibm.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:29:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Which paint to use?
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You might want to check out another good web site at =
http://www.horizonweb.com/wwwboard/spray_101/wwwboard.html before you =
paint your Rover.  I'll be painting mine over the next few weeks and =
really learned a lot at that site.  I've decided to use polyurethane, =
which is durable, forgiving, and the newest technology, but have found =
one that does not contain isocyanates.  Also, there are primers that are =
free of lead and chrome for additional safety.  You should still use =
every precaution (double canister charcoal mask, gloves, hood, goggles, =
paint suit) and keep everyone else away.  The paint I've chosen (in =
Bronze Green and Limestone, of course!) is PPG Deltron DBU basecoat with =
DC 1100 clearcoat.  The primers are DX 1791 and DP, although PPG offers =
DPX 171 and DP-LF as safer alternatives.  Use NCP 271 as a =
primer-surfacer.  None of these paints contain isocyanate, which is the =
active ingredient in most hardeners.  Even good old acrylic enamel is =
dangerous when an iso-based hardener is added and without the hardener =
it will dissolve under the influence of gasoline, brake fluid, grease, =
etc.  Paint your motor Detroit Diesel Alpine Green, which is about as =
close as you can easily purchase to the original color.  The air cleaner =
should be black, even though the BC web site mentioned in this thread =
suggests silver.

Good luck.

Keith Cutler
Member, Solihull Society
Frame-off restoration of a 1960 Series II 88" Pickup
(The Rover'd been sitting on the wife's family ranch since 1978)

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From: Bill Caloccia <caloccia@senie.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:47:52 -0400
Subject: any lro's or rro's in Chicago headed for the blues festival ?

I'll be there from tomorrow... through Monday, send a note for
my pager number.
    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:20:38 -0600
Subject: Re: brake light switch
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Hey all!

Damn, you all were right!! Unscrewed the old switch, installed the new =
one (bought it 5 years ago, why I don't know!!) wrung out t-shirt from =
the brake fluid I got doused in, Voila, I have brake lights!! And the =
pedal is still hard!!

The last time I attempted to do anything to the "wet" side of the brakes =
I ended up changing all four wheel cylinders and all the lines, so you =
can see why I was hesitant about digging into this job!!

Peter Kaskan (sp? can't read my scribbles!!) if you want the old, =
decrepit,  missing pieces, from, 1 each Solex you're welcome to it!! =
Send me and e-mail with your snail mail address and I'll UPS it to you. =
Or if your going to the rally at Steamboat Springs, I'll bring it along. =
It isn't doing me any good, just laying in the corner of the garage =
along with a worn out clutch, 8 old valves, 2 used head gaskets, an oil =
type aircleaner and mounts, etc,etc,etc (need to make a trip to the =
dumpster one of these days!!

Again, Thanks to the Gurus!!!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:12:43 EDT
Subject: Re: my new old '88 RR - engine problems.

Bouncing oil pressure sounds like the person (or dealer) you bought it from,
forgot to fill the oil filter with oil before installing it, during the last
oil change. This is VERY important on Range Rovers (and SD-1's, too), because
the oil won't flow properly if you don't.

The result is usually wasted cam bearings.

Charles

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:25:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Which paint to use?

The air cleaner on our '60 SII has original looking silver "hammerite"
paint under some yellow which looks like the previous owner applied.
I've seen other air cleaners with original looking silver paint. It
seems like both black and silver were original at various times.

Regards,
David Cockey

Keith Cutler wrote:

> The air cleaner =
> should be black, even though the BC web site mentioned in this thread
> =
> suggests silver.

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:04:18 -0400
Subject: Re: New engine

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> The GM diesel reputation stunk.  They
> made more changes and came up with a derivative which was more
> reliable, but
> singularly unremarkable in performance in comparison to Ford's and
> Dodge's
> diesel powerplants--which are truly amazing diesel engines.

The 6.2/6.5 GM diesels have nothing in common with the old 350 diesel
(which was based on the Olds V8). The 6.5 is a major redo of the 6.2
design. I'd avoid the early 6.5 for a conversion due to the fuel
injection pump. (My wife is an engineer with GM Truck, and has been
extensively involved with truck powertrains.)

> With the new millennia around the corner, GM is trying to swing a deal
> with
> Caterpillar to use one of their diesels in the upcoming GM trucks,
> finally
> realizing that their attempt at diesel power was too little too late.

GM has been using a Caterpillar diesel in medium duty trucks for a
number of years. Great engine but on the large size for LR conversions.

One of the amusements of working for an automaker is trying to figure
out where some of these stories get started.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:30 +0000
Subject: Re: New engine

>GM has been using a Caterpillar diesel in medium duty trucks for a
>number of years. Great engine but on the large size for LR conversions.

Since Caterpillar now owns Perkins,there may be some possible development
there as well...
cheers
Mike Rooth

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