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From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:12:36 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Rick Nicotra  asks
>I install it.  It pays in and out fine, but the black handled control knob
>is seized, and I don't know much about it's overall condition. Any ideas?
>And does anybody have a pattern for a front winch mount?

Rick, I bought an old 8274 for my '73 Ser 3 too.  As others have said, Warn
will send you an installation/instruction booklet.  They also sent me some
Xeroxed instructions on overhauling, which I luckily did not need.  The
installation booklet includes dimentions for fabrication your own winch
mount.  Mine came with a generic Warn mount which a friend with welding
skills and equipment easily adapted.  My black knob will stick now and
then, but I find if I just power the cable out a ways to relieve the stress
it will come loose.  Have fun, it's a great winch.
Erik van Dyck
Suwanee, Georgia
1973 Series III 88"

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:00:14 +1000
Subject: + or - Earth

A week or so ago there was an enquiry about the reasons for negative earth.
I've come across an article "Motor" magazine dated "week ending September
11, 1965" which gives some reasons.

If I can get my scanner talking to my computer I can scan and OCR it to post
a text copy to those who want it.   It's a bit long for the list.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:51:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Brake problems

Dave,

If you can't lock the brakes with the snails, either then the shoes are
worn out or BACKWARDS (my favorite trick...), or the drums are oversize.

The hydraulics have naught to do with adjustment. If you can't lock 'em
mechanically, there's a mechanical problem - keep the AMC booster cylinder.

               ajr

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From: "Rich Biby" <rich@biby.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:39:36 -0400
Subject: 12 Volt accessories

Howdy my land-rover addicted compatriots!
I'm working on this sick dream I have...
One day I'm building this really kool 110 and
heading across country. I'm selling the business,
packing the Radio & Computer and running a 12 volt
existence for an extended period of time.

I am an electrical engineering, so all BS aside, 
I do have a good idea what I'm up to, but...
Anyone know a good source of 12 volt junk, fans,
lights, regulators, battery accessories, etc?

I've been working with solar cells for a while, but
I'm going at it from a R&D perspective, not a
find out what is off-the-shelf.

A good boating place? Mail order or Web locations?
Thanks for any pointer,
Rich Biby

71 SWB, 95 Disco, and storage for many more

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:11:19 -0500
Subject: "Switch for Panel Lights"

As many of you know, I am involved in a frame-over restoration of my 1960
Series II.  In an attempt to return everything to original, I have run
across something that I need the insight of others about.  It's the little
pull switch in the upper left-hand corner of the instrument/gauge panel. 
My parts manual lists it as the "Switch for Panel Lights."  Mine was
disconnected by a previous owner and the wiring was rerouted such that the
panel lights illuminate when the headlamps are switched on.  Anyhow, my
assumption is that the panel lights should be controlled (i.e. turned on
and off)  by this switch.  Is this assumption correct?  I know this may
seem like an obvious or down-right stupid question; however, there are no
other Land-Rovers within miles of here to confirm things by and getting
everything to work exactly like it did in 1960 is very important to me.

Thanks for the help,

Brian

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:33:08 -0700
Subject: Re: "Switch for Panel Lights"

BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:
8<
> My parts manual lists it as the "Switch for Panel Lights."  Mine was
> disconnected by a previous owner and the wiring was rerouted such that the
> panel lights illuminate when the headlamps are switched on.  Anyhow, my
< assumption is that the panel lights should be controlled (i.e. turned on
> and off)  by this switch.  Is this assumption correct?  I know this may
> seem like an obvious or down-right stupid question; however, there are no
> other Land-Rovers within miles of here to confirm things by and getting
> everything to work exactly like it did in 1960 is very important to me.

Yes, that's correct.  On my '65 IIA, the switch on the left operates the dome
light, and the switch on the right operates the panel light.  Be careful with
those switches--I broke one, and they are NLA.

C

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From: mark.luker@virgin.net (mark.luker@virgin.net)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:19:48 +0100
Subject: Re: + or - Earth

I'd be fascinated to read that if you get around to scanning it.

Thanks in advance,

Mark

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From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:12:03 -0400
Subject: Competent machine shop around Boston, MA?

  Hi all,

  Just wondering if anyone in the Boston area has ever had their 2.25L
cylinder head rebuilt, and where they went to have it done? Anyone know of
any reasonable and competent shops around? Thanks!

Jeff G.
Boston, MA

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 98 13:00:19 -0700
Subject: Re: "Switch for Panel Lights"

Brian,

The instrument panel light switch receives power from the parking light 
circuit.  This means that this switch only receives power when the light 
switch is in the parking or headlamp locations.  It does not receive 
power when the headlamps are in the off position.

This allows you the option to turn off the instrument lights off at night.

If your switch is missing I have a spare.

If you have an extra scuttle vent adjuster I an DESPERATELY looking for 
one, preferably just the little square captive nut that has the round 
arms sticking out on two sides.  This is the nut that the shaft on the 
adjusting knob goes through.

Good luck on your restoration.

I have a VERY unoriginal 1960 but may be able to help on some questions.  
Please feel free to contact me directly.

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:05:30 EDT
Subject: Re: "Switch for Panel Lights"

In a message dated 31/05/98  16:16:22, you write:

<<   Anyhow, my
 assumption is that the panel lights should be controlled (i.e. turned on
 and off)  by this switch.  Is this assumption correct?  >>

yer right, Brian

best cheers

Frank

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 98 13:06:52 -0700
Subject: CHRIS - Re: "Switch for Panel Lights"

>Yes, that's correct.  On my '65 IIA, the switch on the left operates the dome
>light, and the switch on the right operates the panel light.  Be careful with
>those switches--I broke one, and they are NLA.
'
Chris,

I still owe you for that help in wrestling the Salisbury into my car.  If 
you need a switch, I will be happy to give you one.

just let me know.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Johan Helsingius <Johan.Helsingius@EU.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:18:56 +0200
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

>From: Frankelson@aol.com

>there are better perversions than linguistic ones to be interested in in
>Amsterdam

Have to agree with you, Frank. Such as owning a 109' in the centre of
Amsterdam - the traditional hunt for a parking spot takes a whole new
dimension when your turning radius is two blocks... But the ultimate
masochistic perversion seems to be dealing with the dutch bureocracy. 
Got the ex-military carawagon 4 months ago, still haven't gotten
dutch plates for it. Oh well, I've been trying to get a dutch
pilot's license based on my Finnish one for a year now... Really
seems to be a case of "the experienced user will usually know...". 

Cheers,

	Julf

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:22:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Stupid Question??

Has anyone else taken a good look at the Dick Graham advertisement in the
50th anniversary issue of LRO???  It's on page 237 and the bit that I'm
wondering about is the "rolling chassis with power steering, air
conditioning, Salisbury F/R  vented discs and 101 rims.."   What are these
from??  Anyone have any ideas..and most importantly does a "rolling
chassis" have to be over 25 yrs to be legally imported?

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 98 13:45:54 -0700
Subject: NEEDED vent opener part

I need a screw type vent opener in any condition that still has the 
captive nut that the threaded opening  shaft goes through.

Actually I just need the captive nut, but I will take any superset that 
contains the nut.

The screw type vent openers came in 1960 and earlier North American 
models. They may have been used later in other countries.

Can anyone help?

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:18:44 -0400
Subject: Brake problems

Dave Place, is it an 88 or a 109 ? 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:26:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Stupid Question??

In a message dated 5/31/98 4:25:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwilson@usaor.net
writes:

<< and most importantly does a "rolling
 chassis" have to be over 25 yrs to be legally imported? >>

No, it can be new as long as it is a replacement part

Nate

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:46:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Stupid Question??

In a message dated 31/05/98  21:25:10, you write:

<< Has anyone else taken a good look at the Dick Graham advertisement in the
 50th anniversary issue of LRO???  It's on page 237 and the bit that I'm
 wondering about is the "rolling chassis with power steering, air
 conditioning, Salisbury F/R  vented discs and 101 rims.."   What are these
 from?? >>

Russ,
I'll ask Dick in the morning, meanwhile re: our private mailing earlier, read
page 258.

best cheers

Frank

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:29:56 -0400
Subject: Heaters

TeriAnn Wakeman  wrote:

>I'm looking for a propane heater that I can have on all night to keep me 
>toasty warm.

In the cabin or outside?  The problem with non-vented inside heaters is
that the products of combustion (water) will coat the inside with
bullet-proof ice by morning.  Once slept in the back of my '66 Chevy wagon
on a -15 night and just my breath was enough to make a real problem by
morning.  I've seen these propane-fired block heaters in JC Whitless, but
they'd do little to warm the cabin.

Perhaps the best would be a diesel-fired marine stove.  Rather small and
unobtrusive (2-3" flue) and it works at sea, so durability shouldn't be a
problem...plus you could commonize with the vehicle fuel supply if you
already run with diesel.  Cost is about $600 new, but I've seen 'em for
about $250 in second-hand (salvage) shops.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:29:54 -0400
Subject: Offerors

ajr wrote:

>Alain-Jean asked:

>>While I'm here, is there LR users speaking sankrit ?

>Only in the manuals, my boy - only in the manuals....<grin>

>"Introduce the gearbox to the rear of the engine..." huh?

Nope..."it's *offer* the gearbox to the engine...." Always a quaint term
when you're dealing with a 300 pound lump of metal.

And to add one more: "Schnooa" (as close as I can get in ASCII English) is
the Arabic term.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:29:57 -0400
Subject: Chevy question

>Clark, Patrick D." <Clark_PD@pillsburylaw.com> wrote

>I noticed within the recent Iveco debate that someone had re-fit a 283
>Chevy block into their rover.

>a) How much modification was necessary (if any) to the engine
>compartment

>b) Are the motor mounts/tranny adapters/ (anything elses....) pre-fab
>and available?

That will be one of the tech sessions at the Greek peak event.  Personally,
I think the 283 was the best engine ever built in the US.  Comparitively
compact, utterly dependable and could run like a scalded dog when need be.
Supposedly, it was dropped as it was *too* dependable and rugged. (No momey
in parts sales/replacements.)

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:29:59 -0400
Subject: Mystery to me

wonderer@newsguy.com (J'mes Pallack) wrote:

>Someone was telling me that outside the US (perhaps Canada too) that
>some cars have a additive dripped in the carb/engin that lubricates
>the engin via gas.  
>They also said they  use "Marvin Mistory Oil" and adds about 2 caps
>full to each full up of gas.

It's the Ampco Vapor Lubricatorand it uses Marvel Mystery Oil. I'm told it
was cutting-edge technology for US vehicles...in the late 1940's and early
fifties.  I've run with it for about 50,000 miles (*didn't* use stellite
valves on a rebuild back in '88) and it is one of a number of efforts I
take to avoid valve recession.

Marvel Mystery Oil cures everything (or so the label says)...it even smells
good enough to be a desert topping.  Actually, it's a thin, high-flash
point oil that doesn't combust, thus protecting the valves.  If Virginia
ever enacts emission testing, i'm gonna fill the reservoir with pure
ethanol for the test....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:31:34 EDT
Subject: old thread

I am looking for a website that translates text from one language to another,
and I seem to recall it being an old thread on this list... if anyone
bookmarked that site, can you fwd it to me off-list? If I recall right, it
could turn english into many other languages...

Thanks,

--pat.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:44:06
Subject: Re: attachment to frame on right front horn.

	After all the posts about lubricating the springs I was under the 88
spraying the springs with graphite when I noticed an appendage on the right
frame horn just forward of the axle.  Its a squarish tower about 6"-8" long
perpendicular to the horn so it kind of points down at the axle.  It has a
largish hole through the left/right sides.  Anyone know what this is for??
I assume its been there these last fourteen years or is it a tumor that has
just recently begun to grow??
Aloha Peter 

At 07:59 AM 5/31/98 -0600, you wrote:
>All-
>When in need of a winch mounting plate for a Series...Give Frank a call =
>in Colorado Springs, CO. 719-473-6288. He has desingned one that works =
>really well with any brand of winch...Also. If you are planning on =
>running dual batteries he has designed a frame that fits right into the =
>battery/oil bath slot with no drilling. It can hold two Optimas =
>lenghtwise...It really is cool!
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>John
>	[multipart mime alternative 31 lines deleted.]

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From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:23:34 -0400
Subject: Re: attachment to frame on right front horn.

Peter

Sounds like you just discovered the frame bracket for a steering stabilizer.

Brett

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

After all the posts about lubricating the springs I was under the 88
spraying the springs with graphite when I noticed an appendage on the right
frame horn just forward of the axle.  Its a squarish tower about 6"-8" long
perpendicular to the horn so it kind of points down at the axle.  It has a
largish hole through the left/right sides.  Anyone know what this is for??
I assume its been there these last fourteen years or is it a tumor that has
just recently begun to grow??
Aloha Peter

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:21:27 +0200
Subject: Cornwall ISP's

My apologies for posting this here, but I will include L.R. content.
A friend of mine is moving back to the U.K., and will be in need of an
Internet Service Provider in the Tavistock area of Cornwall. Anyone have
an opinion on the I.S.P.'s in that area? How about a site that would
list the various I.S.P.'s in an area.
Land Rover content. I've just about talked her into buying a Defender
when she gets home. Her parents are trying hard to get her to keep her
Jag however.
Thanks for any assistance offered.

Tom Spoto
72 88 Pick-up  67 88 canvas top

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From: "Rob Dennis" <robd@unitedparking.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 02:40:27 -0400
Subject: RE: Irony-want the virtual wench!!!

Hey Thomas, you might want to check that clock. It is just about June
not July :-)

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:51:48
Subject: Re: attachment to frame on right front horn.

My steering stabilizer is bolted to the axle.  Is there some other type of
steering stabilizer than the piston variety held on to the axle by U
bolts??  Actually guess there must be if that is really what this thing is.
Aloha Peter 

At 10:23 PM 5/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Peter
>Sounds like you just discovered the frame bracket for a steering stabilizer.
>Brett
>Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
>just recently begun to grow??
>Aloha Peter

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From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:22:39 -0400
Subject: Re: attachment to frame on right front horn.

The ones I've seen have one end of the stabilizer attached to the bracket you
found and the other end attaches to the steering drag link tube, the one
connecting the steering relay to front wheel. There is a picture of this in the
Rover's North cat. on page 29 if you have one handy.

Brett

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
My steering stabilizer is bolted to the axle.  Is there some other type of
steering stabilizer than the piston variety held on to the axle by U
bolts??  Actually guess there must be if that is really what this thing is.
Aloha Peter

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From: Matt <nl7uz@ptialaska.net>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:19:45 -0800
Subject: Re: 12 Volt accessories

Hi Rich;
There is a good mag out there called "Nuts and Volts"
I think it may be a good starting point!
Lots of surplus equipment, lasers, power supplies, computers, two way
radios, ect.
I will try to find a address for you and e-mail direct!

Matt
NL7UZ
61 SII "Bucky the wonder Horse"
Juneau Alaska

Rich Biby wrote:

> Howdy my land-rover addicted compatriots!
> I'm working on this sick dream I have...
> One day I'm building this really kool 110 and
> heading across country. I'm selling the business,
> packing the Radio & Computer and running a 12 volt
> existence for an extended period of time.
> I am an electrical engineering, so all BS aside,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Rich Biby
> 71 SWB, 95 Disco, and storage for many more

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:15:36 +1000
Subject: du choix de la langue

Paul Q. adds:
>Eh? (Canadian)

Alan Richer commented:

>It's also Commonwealth law (or at least Ontario Province law) that
>this word must be at the end of at least every other sentence spoken
>by any resident of Canada.

I've always suspected that New Zealanders and Canadians we somehow related
(of course I exclude the Canadians from Quebec who are unrelated to anything
on this Earth - even the French disown them.  I know this 'cos I used to
work with some Canadians from Bell Canada and they told me that they *never*
spoke French in Paris because they were totally ignored by the Parisians).

Back on track, I really thought that only Kiwis used "eh" but pronounced
"hey", at the end of every sentence.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:06:05 +0100
Subject: RE: Cornwall ISP's

Tavistock is in Devon! Also unlikely to host an ISP ;-) BUT all UK ISPs
cover everywhere at local rate.

john

______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:10:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Offerors

Hi,

The most frightening sentence in the English language, or any other: ''First
remove the five retaining bolts.''
 Three, no problem, one will not move at all and you can't even find the
fifth.

And don't you just love: ''may require a slight tap to loosen''  Aaargh

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:19:41 EDT
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

I think it was George Bernard Shaw who described English and Americans as two
peoples ''separated by a common language''.... 
then if you add NZ, Ca and Aust - and those are just the ones who officially
speak English.

Actually I struggle with anyone who does not come from Lancashire....

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:14:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Stupid Question??

In a message dated 31/05/98  21:25:10, you write:

<< "rolling chassis with power steering, air
 conditioning, Salisbury F/R  vented discs and 101 rims.." >>

Russ,

I just called Dick Graham.
Do you get much TV coverage of North Ireland over there?
'cos if you do do you see the 110 based  Armoured Personnel Carriers that the
Army often turn up in?
Well, guess what?

Yup it's them.
Most are around 1986 and have the 3.5 litre V8 and 4spd gearbox in addition to
the info in the ad.
I would think that would make a hell of a basis for a 110/109 based special!

Without looking it up he guestimated shipping costs as in the region of $1200
US to you.

best cheers

Frank

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:57 +0000
Subject: Re: Stupid Question??

>'cos if you do do you see the 110 based  Armoured Personnel Carriers that the
>Army often turn up in?
>Well, guess what?
>Yup it's them.

Ummm.Have you seen the weight of armour these things carry? Engines
and transmissions must be just about buggered by the time the army
have done with them.
One article in LRO,I think it was,said two sorts of ex-warriors you dont
touch.These were one,and ex-Royal Marines was the other,due to the marine
habit of dumping the things off ships into salt water.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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