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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:55:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Apology -no LR content

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> style.  I have recently received two pieces of feedback that have
> bothered me greatly.
> > TeriAnn:
> ;
> > Notwithstanding that you do often seem to come off as
> > a condecending know-it-all

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> opposite!
> Sorry.
TeriAnn, in the same manner that your wry sense has often been
missinterpreted, I didn't intend that you take my silly comment about
spelling seriously, please accept my appologies.
     John and Muddy

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:43:16 EDT
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

In a message dated 30/05/98  09:26:17, you write:

<< linguistic perversions >>
Johan

there are better perversions than linguistic ones to be interested in in
Amsterdam

best cheers

Frank

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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned  Heite)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:45:53 -0500
Subject: choice of Language (no LR content)

Hwath!   Saxon (which is like Danish with teeth), the first word of Beowulf,
         not to be confused with Icelandic, which is pronounced with sounds
         from only one body opening.

Eh?

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:55:47 EDT
Subject: Help with oil press. gauge

Could someone tell me how my oil pressure sender is supposed to look?

I've got a 72 SIII.  On the oil pressure sender, there are 2 electrical spade
connections, but I've only got a lead on one of them.  What color are the
leads to the warning light sender and pressure sender supposed to be?

I could probably answer this myself if I would quit putting off buying a sIII
manual....

Thanks

John Kwasnik
Sherburne, NY

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From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:24:54 -0400
Subject: reconditioning an old WARN 8274

Dear Gang, 

I really hate to get off the "Apology-no LR content" and the 
"du choix de la langue" threads, but . . .

I bought an old Warn 8274 and need some advice on reconditioning it before
I install it.  It pays in and out fine, but the black handled control knob
is seized, and I don't know much about it's overall condition. Any ideas?

And does anybody have a pattern for a front winch mount?

Thanks,

Rick Nicotra
73 ser III 88

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: LEGS

No this isn't about the things that the Blonde Chick stands
on.

I was reading an old copy of LRO (7/93) and came across an
add for L.E.G.S. Ltd. - Land Rover Engine and Gearbox
Specialists.  The prices were very nice and then I
remembered that this was 1993.  But on to my point.  They
listed a US Agent in Kansas City.  Has anyone ever dealt
with this place/person?  Are they Reasonable?

Thanks
Mitch and the Red Dinosaur.

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:42:21 -0600
Subject: The Whole TAW and AW Saga

Well its nice to see all of you finally holding hands and
singing Kum By Fricking Ya.  Now can we get back to the LR
content.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 98 09:53:22 -0700
Subject: Humor(?) LR living with TR

TeriAnn wrote:

'> Please do not tell this to my red Triumph TR3. She would definitely 
take 
'> offense.  I already had to sell the MGBGT because it kept bickering 
with 
'> the Triumph.   
 
'> At least the Land Rover and Triumph get along.  I think its because 
that 
'> at the Triumph's heart beats an engine that was originally birthed for 
a 
'> Fergason tractor.

Frank replied:

'>TeriAnn,

'>oh dear, are you in trouble!
'> Luckily you got rid of the MGB. Now these were made in Abingdon (as 
you no
'>doubt know) but did you know that the Abingdon lot,  just off the edge 
of
'>Oxford, came up with BRG, British Racing Green... this is NOT Bronze 
Green.
'>(I know, I had to sit down and rest when I first found this out as 
well).
'> Then of course, there's the Triumph, not only a tractor engine but a 
tractor
'>body as well (tee hee, we once put a TR engine -2 or 3 - into a TVR , 
it 
'>shook itself to bits in a couple of months).
'> For Triumph, see my Gaydon Founders Day interview in the 50th 
anniversary
'>issue of LRO - for money you went down the road to Triumph, for fun and
'>pleasure you went to Rover.
'> Not for nothing is there a saying when people are being ignored ''sent 
to
'>Coventry''.
'> What a hell hole, sell any car painted red and any car made in 
Coventry - 
'>how you sell yours twice is up to you.

At which TeriAnn smiles and responds:

Frank forgive me for I have sinned.

The heart of my 1960 land Rover 109 pickup no longer beats true.  She is 
no longer as pure as when she was born in Solihull.

By my own hand she has turned into a fully kitted long range expedition 
Land Rover.  I have made an attempt to keep her Rover, but I didn't pay 
attention to the year or model of Land Rover that the parts came from.

But worse, I have used parts and materials from other makes of cars.

The big dual gauge has been replaced with a tach from a MGB.  I have two 
MGB fuel gauges metering the levels of my front two petrol tanks.  The 
water temperature gauge is also from a MGB as is the voltage stabilizer.

I have replaced the painted license plate lamp cover with a chrome one 
from a TR3.

While I maintained a 2 door regular paint scheme, I matched the martin 
Walters original colour for the Dormobile roof to 1979 TR7 white.  The 
body below the top is now, gasp, 1973 Jaguar British Racing Green.  I 
must confess that I did not like the stock Land Rover greens.

I was saved from an even greater sin by the virtue of the car being left 
hand drive.  You see in 1992 I had both the Land Rover and Triumph 
engines apart at the same time.  I discovered that the intake manifold 
from a Triumph engine matches the ports on the Land Rover engine.  Even 
some of the mounting holes line up.  If the steering box was not in the 
way, my Land Rover would today have a Triumph intake manifold with dual 
1-3/4 SU carbs.

I can not take your advice to regain a purity of spirit.  For not only 
have I tainted the purity of my Land Rover, I have a dual personality 
that keeps me from owning just one kind of car.  While I love my Landy 
dearly and have for the last 20 years she can not make me completely 
happy.  For a part of me has a need for a fast red sports car.  I have 
turned to my TR3A to find comfort during those times when acceleration 
from zero to sixty miles per hour in the same day* is not enough 
(*assumes no uphill sections or headwinds).

>From the outside, my little vixen like TR3A looks like a 90+ point show 
car.  Pop the bonnet and you see lots of polished aluminum bright work, 
chrome headers and a pair of DCOEs.  You do not see the larger than stock 
pistons and valves; the special cam nor the porting and polishing done in 
the 9.5:1 head.

While the Land Rover is used to go out and observe nature and wild life, 
treading as lightly as possible along the green lanes, the TR3A is a 
predator that hunts down Miatas and other modern forms of wildlife.

I cannot choose between my old 1960 Land Rover whom I have lived with and 
loved for 20 years and my new 1961 Triumph TR3A whom I have lived with 
and loved for only 11 years.  They are each a part of my soul.  While I 
dearly love the solid stalworth hearted Land Rover, part of my soul has 
been whisked away by the siren call of Coventry and the hunt.

At least I have been true to these two cars as my only auto loves for the 
last five years and they get along fine knowing that they are truly 
compliments of each other.  

I admittedly have flirted with an occasional series IIB, BJ-8 or XK140 
DHC, but my two cars don't seem to mind as long as I keep it to an 
occasional flirt.

Alas, I am but only mortal and cannot be a true and pure daughter of 
Solihull.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:19:04 +0100
Subject: Re: LEGS

At 10:21 30/05/98 -0600, you wrote:
>No this isn't about the things that the Blonde Chick stands
>on.
>I was reading an old copy of LRO (7/93) and came across an
>add for L.E.G.S. Ltd. - Land Rover Engine and Gearbox
>Specialists.  The prices were very nice and then I
>remembered that this was 1993.  But on to my point.  They
>listed a US Agent in Kansas City.  Has anyone ever dealt
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>Thanks
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur.

What is it you want from Legs
From: "L.E.G.S. (PARTS) Ltd" <sales@legs.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Information
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:07:29 +0100
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hermes.devotion.org
id QAA20024

Thanks for email.
Exchange head £175.00 plus vat.
Labour £120.00 plus vat.
Head gasket and coolant £25.00 plus vat.
Engine tuning work undertaken.
Regards 
Allan.

Landrover S3 LtWt & www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:52:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

TerrieAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps. Call Dave.

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> From: Peter M. Kaskan <pmk11@cornell.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Propane heaters
> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 4:08 PM
> David Wrote:
> >TerriAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps.
> >Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine
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> >you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.
> "Ebersomethingorother"  :  )   I think they have got a web site. TeA, do
a
> web search for propane heaters - I came up with a few when I was looking
> for the standard type - but can't remember now... Cheers - Peter
> -----------------------
> Peter M. Kaskan
> Uris Hall 231
> Dept. Of Psychology
> Cornell University
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> pmk11@cornell.edu
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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:49:49 -0600
Subject: Irony-want the virtual wench!!!
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TF Mills posed a question with a quote from a movie. The movie was =
"Roxanne" starring Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah. The Land Rover content =
was the Series III (?) parked in Steve Martins driveway (although he =
never drove it, was always walking every where!!)

As an aside, met Brian and Suzie Holmes at the National rally in Red =
River last year, they are from the town in British Columbia (forget the =
name right now) where the movie was filmed. According to them it was the =
biggest thing that had happened there for a LONG time!!

TF--I'll collect the virtual wench at Steamboat-don't have a dog to keep =
me warm like TerriAnn so I have to make do!!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:30:45 EDT
Subject: Re: reconditioning an old WARN 8274

In a message dated 30/05/98  17:05:48, you write:

<< I bought an old Warn 8274 and need some advice on reconditioning it before
 I install it.  It pays in and out fine, but the black handled control knob
 is seized, and I don't know much about it's overall condition. Any ideas?
 
 And does anybody have a pattern for a front winch mount? >>

Rick

I've had that knob seize a few times. Used to lever it out, gently from the
base, with a tyre iron.
Then gave it WD40 and a lot of inning and outing until it was nice and loose.
 Then got into the habit of opening and closing it a handful of times, coupla
times a week.
 Can't help with the mount, I use a BRB bullbar and bumper mount - Brit
version of ARB.

BTW My new M8274-50 was delivered while I was in hospital six weeks ago and
I'm still not recovered enough to fit it, then again I'm still not allowed to
drive. How's that for a definition of frustration ?

best cheers

Frank

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:44:04 EDT
Subject:  Small Block Chevy

Who did post that message about having a 283 in his series?  I've already got
a chevy (Pontiac) engine in mine so the V8 wouldn't be that big of a leap, as
long as much cutting/ moving around of stuff in the engine compartment doesn't
need to be done.  Will the exhaust manifold fit past the steering linkage?

Thanks,
Bill

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 98 13:06:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Irony-want the virtual wench!!!

>TF Mills posed a question with a quote from a movie. The movie was =
>"Roxanne" starring Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah.

Ah,  I was going crazy trying to look for hidden Land Rover codes when it 
was a reference to a movie I did not see.  Oh well...

>As an aside, met Brian and Suzie Holmes at the National rally in Red 
>River last year, they are from the town in British Columbia
> (forget the name right now) where the movie was filmed.

Hummm  I met them during the Border to Border Trek. They were driving car 
#9 and were the leaders of the lost patrol... er..Group #2.  If memory 
serves it was their Disco that had the rear coil spring try to escape 
coming out of Moab on the B2B.

They seem to be very nice people.  I absolutely enjoyed Suzie's running 
commentary as group leader.  I would tour with them anytime, but I would 
not follow their lead anyplace. 

Sorry I'm rambling.  Their Disco had Washington plates indicating US 
residence.  I think they live in Kent WA.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The Whole TAW and AW Saga

>Well its nice to see all of you finally holding hands and
>singing Kum By Fricking Ya.  Now can we get back to the LR
>content.

Let some love into your life.....

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "Giles Warham" <giles@g7tgr.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:24:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Cold running Landys

People often say that Land-Rovers run too cool, even here in the UK - Maybe
worth checking the thermostat?  There are hot/cold climate versions of it
available - maybe you would do better with a winter/cold one?  I prefer the
mechanical fan + radiator muff - at least you know it is working when you
need it - experience with (little used) electric fans, is that they stop
working, and you don't find out for months until you suddenly really need it
:-(

Hope that helps - Sri if you already tried that!

Regards,
Giles...

Land-Rover Series 1 SWB, Series 2a SWB, Series 3 LWB, and 101FC.
Devon & Cornwall Amateur Packet Radio TCP/IP Co-Ordinator.
Internet: giles@g7tgr.ampr.org  --- Ampr: g7tgr@g7tgr.ampr.org
[44.131.208.33]
AX25: g7tgr@gb7ipn.#44.gbr.eu -- Checked weekly.
GW Computer Services - For all your computer needs.

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From: "Giles Warham" <giles@g7tgr.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:37:31 +0100
Subject: Re: RR corrosion query... but for *D* owners...

Hi..

This water thing with carpets and rubber mats has always been a problem with
Landys - well, not so much a problem, but a "design feature" (you don't want
it to float when you drive in deep water - else you loose your grip - tee
hee) -- Anyway, to combat the rust in the front footwells on my S3 Landy - I
spray it with "Waxoyl" (every couple of years) and just use rubber mats  -
The mats do tend to slide about for a few days (in my experience) - but they
soon bed in, and the footwells seem to last.  I suppose you could always
drill a hole through the aluminium floor panels to hold the mats in place
with bolts + large washer?  :-)    [Keeps the mats in place if you have a
roll :-) ]

In the others, I just have bare floor panels - and these seem to last okay.
I do tend to paint the steel panels though if I notice rust, so maybe that
helps.  Of course, the rest of the vehicle is waxoyled all over (outside),
and inside the chassis every year or two.   Seems to keep the rust away.

See mine! - http://www.g7tgr.demon.co.uk/landy.html

Best Regards,
Giles...

Land-Rover Series 1 SWB, Series 2a SWB, Series 3 LWB, and 101FC.
Devon & Cornwall Amateur Packet Radio TCP/IP Co-Ordinator.
Internet: giles@g7tgr.ampr.org  --- Ampr: g7tgr@g7tgr.ampr.org
[44.131.208.33]
AX25: g7tgr@gb7ipn.#44.gbr.eu -- Checked weekly.
GW Computer Services - For all your computer needs.

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From: "Giles Warham" <giles@g7tgr.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:52:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Series 3 brake woes #3

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:16:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: reconditioning an old WARN 8274

>I bought an old Warn 8274 and need some advice on reconditioning it before
>I install it.  It pays in and out fine, but the black handled control knob
I just went through this last year.  Call Warn and ask for an owners manual
and a service guide for the 8274.  They sent them both to me for free and
were very helpful on the phone.  The control knob was siezed on my winch as
well... split the case, drain the oil and you will see the three screws
that hold in the fork that pull on the big gear.  Undo these and the whole
thing will come out so that you can hit it with a little emory paper.  Good
luck.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:19:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: reconditioning an old WARN 8274

>BTW My new M8274-50 was delivered while I was in hospital six weeks ago and
>I'm still not recovered enough to fit it, then again I'm still not allowed to
>drive. How's that for a definition of frustration ?

Frustration???  I hope that you can atleast have sex....;)
seriously though... hope that you are feeling better now that you are OUT
of the hospital.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: wonderer@newsguy.com (J'mes Pallack)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:50:55 GMT
Subject: Marvin Mistory Oil in Gas???

Someone was telling me that outside the US (perhaps Canada too) that
some cars have a additive dripped in the carb/engin that lubricates
the engin via gas.  

They also said they  use "Marvin Mistory Oil" and adds about 2 caps
full to each full up of gas.

anyone else heard of this?

J'mes

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Marvin Mistory Oil in Gas???

Marvel Mystery Oil

I have no experience with it except in the air tools at work. Has a spearmint
(?) odor to it.

J'mes Pallack wrote:

> Someone was telling me that outside the US (perhaps Canada too) that
> some cars have a additive dripped in the carb/engin that lubricates
> the engin via gas.
> They also said they  use "Marvin Mistory Oil" and adds about 2 caps
> full to each full up of gas.
> anyone else heard of this?

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> by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater,
> for each violation."

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:07:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Irony-want the virtual wench!!!

Go to the Border to Border Web Page and there is a listing of the contestants
including bio, car driven, vehicle experience, and yes home town. I'd go look
it up but have not the time right now. My apologies.

T. Spoto

Saw the yellow 107" truck cab in B.C. last week.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> >TF Mills posed a question with a quote from a movie. The movie was =
> >"Roxanne" starring Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah.
> Ah,  I was going crazy trying to look for hidden Land Rover codes when it
> was a reference to a movie I did not see.  Oh well...
> >As an aside, met Brian and Suzie Holmes at the National rally in Red
> >River last year, they are from the town in British Columbia
> > (forget the name right now) where the movie was filmed.
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> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:20:59 EDT
Subject: Re: LEGS

I haven't bought anything from them yet, but they do have very good prices. I
originally was going to buy a few items from them last year, but the person
that I should have spoken with, wasn't there for a few days, and time (or
rather, the lack of) demanded that I got the parts I needed asap.

Very friendly people though, and I would do business with them.

Charles

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:08:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

Oy.......Thats enough from you Thomson. By the way , we flattened your battery
on your Ser.I  playing those Australian Anthems on your CB  p.a. speaker.
MARY THOMSON wrote:

> TerrieAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps. Call Dave.
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> > From: Peter M. Kaskan <pmk11@cornell.edu>
> > To: lro@playground.sun.com
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)]
> > >you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.
> > "Ebersomethingorother"  :  )   I think they have got a web site. TeA, do
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> > for the standard type - but can't remember now... Cheers - Peter
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 16 lines)]

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:12:32
Subject: one ton (tonne) flex lines

Hi all, thanks to last months ? LRW I checked the flex lines that I
purchased several years ago for my rebuild on the one ton military frame
and they are TOO short. I ordered two one ton length lines from RN, but we
couldn't decide if the rear line is also the one tonne size. The above
article only mentioned the front. Can anyone help with this?? Another
problem that arose last night, I was installing my new front HD axle casing
and the U bolts are very different. The regular one takes 3 short and 1
long, the HD takes 1 short and 3 long, so work has stopped again!!! I now
need two more long U bolts. I hope there are't many more surprises with
this axle casing.

To the person who posted the Gem about brake flex lines screwing into the
axle breather, thanks a lot. I now have two bran new hoses to start my
remote breathers with 8^))).

AS for Terriann, lighten UP !!!!!!!! I for one enjoy you postings and lets
just remember that those who pic, pic about things like spelling etc were
most likley "POTTY TRAINED AT GUN POINT" can everyone say "anal retentive".
Never assume that you are the only one who likes UK humor, 'allo,'allo ,
Thin Blue Line , Monty P flying C etc. and about OUR Rose well, yes Richard
mine the road.

Jim Wolf and Vicky 

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 07:59:51 -0600
Subject: Winch Mounting Plate for Series !
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All-

When in need of a winch mounting plate for a Series...Give Frank a call =
in Colorado Springs, CO. 719-473-6288. He has desingned one that works =
really well with any brand of winch...Also. If you are planning on =
running dual batteries he has designed a frame that fits right into the =
battery/oil bath slot with no drilling. It can hold two Optimas =
lenghtwise...It really is cool!

Yours
John

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From: slade@imagina.com (Michael Slade)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:21:04 -0800
Subject: Range Rover Overheating

Hi,

Last night coming in from the coast, my fan-belt broke.  The outer one that
runs the water pump.

I noticed it before it got too hot, topped up the rad. from a stream, let
it cool down and limped into the nearest town.  I got a fan belt and
installed it about 30 miles from Portland and drove home uneventfully.  The
temperature guage never got above 1/2.

Today while driving around the radiator continues to overheat and boil.
I've had to top it up 3 times today and added about 1/2 gallon each time.
I've checked the oil, and no mayonaise-looking crap, so the headgasket is
intact (from what I can tell).

I do notice that each time I've topped it up there is rad fluid all over
the reservoir.  Am I filling it to far?

Also, why would the engine continue to overheat with a new belt installed
and the tension properly set?

Could the thermostat be jammed closed?  I'm not sure what else there is
under there.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
'90 RR

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From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:09:22 -0700
Subject: Brake problems

Has anyone had a similar problem to mine?  I attempted to adjust the
brakes using the cam and found it didn't seem to be doing anything.  I
checked the shoes and found them just fine, so I thought the cams
were at fault.  I ordered new cams only to find that not only did it not
fix the problem, but the cams don't even touch the back of the shoe.
Thinking that the shoe was at fault, I ordered oversize shoes but this
didn't help.  What could possibly be wrong?  I can't imagine that the
shoes never did touch the cam because I always had brakes until one day
it took the common two pumps to get brake.  Now it is the only way I can
stop.  Tomorrow I am going to replace the master cylinder with an actual
Rover one because for years I have been using an American Motors one
without difficulty, but since I have this one I will put it on.  Of
course it won't have any affect on the cam problem, but maybe I won't
need the two pumps.  Anyone with ideas send them my way, I am stumped.
Dave VE4PN

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:51:28
Subject: Re: Brake problems

There is a pin on the brake shoe that the cam acts against.  The came does
not act directly on the flat part of the shoe but on this pin on the
backing plate of the shoe.  Is it possible that you have the shoes
installed on the wrong side or position??  On an 88, the shoes look similar
but are different because of the pin or lack of it.  Things are a little
different on the 109 but cam still actuates a similar pin.  
Aloha Peter

At 09:09 PM 5/30/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Has anyone had a similar problem to mine?  I attempted to adjust the
>brakes using the cam and found it didn't seem to be doing anything.  I
>checked the shoes and found them just fine, so I thought the cams
>were at fault.  I ordered new cams only to find that not only did it not
>fix the problem, but the cams don't even touch the back of the shoe.
>Thinking that the shoe was at fault, I ordered oversize shoes but this
>didn't help.  What could possibly be wrong?  I can't imagine that the
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>need the two pumps.  Anyone with ideas send them my way, I am stumped.
>Dave VE4PN

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 03:22:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Irony-want the virtual wench!!!

Art  wins the winch/wench!!  His answer was right on the 
button.  Frank gets an E for effort, accompanied by a virtually 
gold-plated virtual dipstick.

Somebody tell Art what wenches are for:  they're not for "keeping 
warm" -- they're for grinding and jerking.  (Apologies to TeriAnn, 
but my mailer doesn't seem to have one of those fancy spell 
checkers.)  And he doesn't have to wait for Steamboat -- it is 
"mounted" already.   That's the nice thing about virtuality...

The film in question (a pretty clever modern adaption of Edmond
Rostand's "Cyrano de Bergerac") was released in 1987 and shot in
Nelson, B.C.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu  (University of Denver, Denver, CO 80208, USA)
Land Rover page:    http://www.du.edu/~tomills/landrover.html

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From: RWilli4013@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 06:05:22 EDT
Subject: Anyone know the history of ODK 219H?

ODK 219K is a '69 SIIA 88".  Originaly from Lancashire I think, I am her 5 th
owner.  Any information gratefully received.

many thanks
Richard

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