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From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:16:11 +0200
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

>word must be at the end of at least every other sentence spoken by any
>resident of Canada.
>          aj"It's a multi-valued word, eh?"r

Hey, we do that in South Africa too, hey?

Wouter

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:31:00 -0400
Subject: UTC or GMT

UTC stands for Universel Temps Coordonne. The powers that be in Europe
decided that it wasn't politically correct to refer to it any longer as
Greenwich Mean Time.

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:13:38 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Ok, so it's an international list ? :-} 

: What ?(English)
: Quoi ?(French)
: Ti ? (Greek)
: Mika ?(Finnish)
: hvað ? (Icelandic)
: Wat ? (Dutch)

Cosa ? (Italian)

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:59:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series Rover Wheels on an Jeep ??

>HI
>I'm selling some wheels and someone asked me, if he can fit them on a Jeep
>Wrangler. Dose anybody nows if the weels are the same size as Rover weels ?

Sorry Denis - I can't help myself - Tell this guy to push his Wrangler off
a cliff, and go buy a 109 deisel to put your rover wheels on.     :  )

Cheers - Peter

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:45:31 +0100
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

>> What ?(English)
>> Quoi ?(French)
>> Ti ? (Greek)
>> Mika ?(Finnish)
>> hvað ? (Icelandic)
>Wat ? (Dutch)

If you want some less known...

ima ? (Quechua : Peru, Bolivia...)
avei noh ? (Khmer, Cambodia)
mi ? (Hungarian, little bit similar to finnish, normal)
beth ? ( Cetlic )
And of course...
kio ? (Esperanto)

While I'm here, is there LR users speaking sankrit ?

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:12:15 -0400
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Alain-Jean asked:

>While I'm here, is there LR users speaking sankrit ?

Only in the manuals, my boy - only in the manuals....<grin>

"Introduce the gearbox to the rear of the engine..." huh?

               ajr

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:49:08 EDT
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

In a message dated 29/05/98  07:52:04, you write:

<< There is an article in the June 1996 "Land Rover World" magazine about the 
 LD28 motor. The article reviewed LD28 conversions for RR, 101 and 90. I 
 imagine the motor fits more easily into these vehicles as the engine 
 compartments are bigger than the Series vehicles. >>

When I researched for my diesel articles in IOR - and ended up fitting my
Iveco - the only detrimental things I heard about the Nissan six cylinders was
overheating, in RR only, when towing only.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:49:01 EDT
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

North of England also it's either ''eh?'' or ''yer wot?'' (correct spelling!!)

best cheers

Frank

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 08:50:31 -0700
Subject: Apology -no LR content

I Apologize to all of you who have been offended by my e-mail writing 
style.  I have recently received two pieces of feedback that have 
bothered me greatly.

> TeriAnn:
;
> Notwithstanding that you do often seem to come off as 
> a condecending know-it-all
;

This one strikes me in the heart of my attempts to make friends over the 
internet. I have always felt that we are each on a journey through life 
which is hard enough as it is without each of us making it harder on each 
other.

I have been trying to help others on the series Land Rover journey, 
sharing things I have learned in the hope of easing their journey a 
little.  I apologize that I have worded my efforts in such a way as to be 
perceived as a "know-it-all".  I have tried for a friendly bantering 
style but have evidently turned a number of people off and presented a 
negative image.  I apologize for the negative feelings I have generated. 
It was not done intentionally. I look at myself as just another person 
trying to figure out how to survive in the world.  Mostly I do not do it 
as well as I try to.  Sorry.

Even growing up, my sister always said that I always seemed to act like I 
was better than others and condescending.  I have heard that off and on 
throughout my life.  I have never intended to be that way nor do I feel 
that way. My attempts at changing my style of communication to eliminate 
this has always ended in a very frustrating failure.

I hold myself to a set of standards that I try to live by and treat other 
people by.  Being a condescending know-it-all is not one of them and 
certainly goes hard against my attempts to make friends over the mail 
list.  Once again, I apologize.

and from Ben:

>	How ironic that the very next post on the LR list 
> after this was TerriAnn getting into the Mac vs DOS debate.  
> At least fighting about LROA and the AW is slightly relivant 
;> to this list.  Funny how the pot complains
;> about the kettle being black.

Ben, I'm sorry that you took it that way.  My reply to Paul Donohue was 
meant as a tongue in cheek attempt at humor.  My tongue was obviously 
preempted by my foot.

My sense of humor has always been towards the subtle side and is 
frequently based on irony.  I think that is why I almost always prefer 
British comedy to American comedy.  

As you just aptly pointed out, my attempts of humorous banter over the 
internet can and probably frequently does fail to be recognized as humor 
by people who do not know me well.

I will try to remember that and ether keep my sense of humor out of my 
postings or post warning signs that what follows is an attempt at humor.  
No guarantees as I see irony everywhere but I will try.  SO my apologies 
to Ben and any others who were offended by my public reply to Paul.

On the positive side...  As a result of Paul Donohue's posting and my 
reply, he and I are exchanging e-mails off list and are getting to know 
each other better.

> TeriAnn I am sure that, like everyone who does such a project, you
> learned a lot.........except spelling :)

I AM working on that too. My biggest breakthrough in the past was when I 
stopped using the vi editor for writing e-mails.  It made going back to 
previous lines to correct typos a LOT easier.

My next breakthrough has been using a mailer that has a spell checker.  I 
try to use it all the time, but I frequently forget when I'm pressed for 
time.  I have been looking at the words that the checker highlights and 
trying to memorize the correct spelling.  When I have time, I have been 
going over my e-mails before sending them out to correct spelling before 
using the checker.

Admittedly, like in so many things, I have a long way to go to be as good 
as most people.  But on the positive side, I am trying to make headway 
and it does seem to be a source of amusement for those who are less 
spelling challenged.

Once again, I apologize to all of you who have been offended by my 
condescending, abrasive writing style and my failed attempts at humor.  
Except for the rare instances when I feel that someone has personally 
attacked me without cause, I have no intention of degrading anyone or 
making them feel that their contributions are less than mine.  Quite the 
opposite!

Sorry.
        

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 08:50:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

>TA Wrote:
>>What kinds of heaters do they make??? Propane?  Very small propane
>>suitable for a LR rear interior??
>Maradyne makes heaters which run off the engine hot water, and use an
>electric fan to circulate the air.   -  Peter

Oh.

I'm looking for a propane heater that I can have on all night to keep me 
toasty warm.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 08:51:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse question

>>        Couldn't be. I produced the first Workhorse in the summer of '84.
>>The first issue was dated August/September. I just dug it out and looked
;>at
>>it. It sure looks a lot better now!! Tom, I suspect your memory is
>>beginning to blur from age, as mine has.
;
>But on the Aluminum Workhorse I *do* remember that clearly, because I
>lusted after them quite seriously,
<snip>

The oldest issue that I still have the cover for is Fall 1987, volume IV, 
Number III

I guess that means that there were 15 issues prior to this one.  So 
Summer of '84 sounds about right.

Hmmm somewhere I have a shop rag and maybe even a 'T' shirt with that 
cover on the back.  The cover is the rear of a series.  Opps I just found 
the front.  Summer '87 Vol IV number II.

maybe I should look deeper in the pile?

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:53:38 -0500
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

<what?> ! </what?> (HTML)

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:21:19 EDT
Subject: Do As Mom Says

Ma writes:

***
Sigh

I was appointed the official list "Mom" back in '92.  Back then there 
were less that 50 of us on this list and we did things like that.

Sigh
***

And that was 'cause guys like me got spanked a little too hard a few
times for toeing the line...(still got that compression guage in your
purse, by the way?)

...but before that she almost got coined the "list flirt"...

Dixon and TeriAnn up in a tree,
DoubleU are EN CH I n g,
r"what I would do for a **complete** set of digests..."d/nige

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:41:57 -0400
Subject: Propane heaters

For Terianne and anyone else looking for propane heat, try your local RV 
or Marine supply.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:56:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Apology-no LR content

Hey, TeA, no need to apologize.  If somebody doesn't like your scene
they can always hit "D".  It's a free world.  If you bug 'em, uh,
sorry-no SO WHAT!

And, your spell checker works great!!  Next time you say "winch" we'll
all know what you're talking about!!

But...

!!!
I'm looking for a propane heater that I can have on all night to keep me
toasty warm.
!!!

There's real cheap solutions...nope, not goin' there.  Lips are sealed.  
Fingers tied behind my back.

r"can't we all just get along?"d/nige

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:42:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Apology-no LR content

>>>>> "Russell" == Russell G Dushin <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com> writes:

    Russell> !!!  I'm looking for a propane heater that I can
    Russell> have on all night to keep me toasty warm.  !!!

    Russell> There's real cheap solutions...nope, not goin'
    Russell> there.  Lips are sealed.  Fingers tied behind my
    Russell> back.

She's already got a big dog.  Best solution I know of to
the problem.  A little more maintenance than the propane
heater, but much less than the average bedwarmer.
							-MM

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Apology-no LR content

TeriAnn,

        I think you were much too hard on yourself. Even if it all was
true, we are all human. Most of us are willing to filter out a certain
amount of condescention and what-all as a"failure to communicate" kinda
thing. You certainly haven't crossed over my "line," which I think is
soemwhere in the "normal" rage for humans. As to the detractors; You have
to forgive to be forgiven.
        Re you spelling. I'm worse than you in a sense because I have lots
of typos due to som (see there's one) hands that have been mangled a bit
from hard work (plus a car door). I don't have a lot of time for these
e-mails, so I don't generally check them over. Why should I? The day
someone starts grading our English and spelling on the list is the day I
unsubscribe.

        Life is 90% how you take it and 10% how you make it!

        Jim

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:09:16 -0500
Subject: RE: Apology-no LR content

Jim,

Here it goes:

"TeriAnn,

        I think you were much too hard on yourself. Even if it all was
true, we are all human. Most of us are willing to filter out a certain
amount of condescention and what-all as a "failure to communicate" kinda
thing. You certainly haven't crossed over my "line," which I think is
soemwhere in the "normal" rage for humans. As to the detractors; You have
to forgive to be forgiven.
        Re you spelling. I'm worse than you in a sense because I have lots
of typos due to som (see there's one) hands that have been mangled a bit
from hard work (plus a car door). I don't have a lot of time for these
e-mails, so I don't generally check them over. Why should I? The day
someone starts grading our English and spelling on the list is the day I
unsubscribe.

        Life is 90% how you take it and 10% how you make it!

        Jim"

That is: four mistakes in two paragraphs. You deserve a "C"
Now, stand to your word: -unsubscribe!!!!!-

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
(fun intended)
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 11:29:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Do As Mom Says _HUMOR

ALERT - HUMOR follows

Russell writes:

>Ma writes:
;
>I was appointed the official list "Mom" back in '92.  Back then there 
>were less that 50 of us on this list and we did things like that.
;
>And that was 'cause guys like me got spanked a little too hard a few
>times for toeing the line
'
nonono  That was for NOT toeing the line. A complete archive of the time 
WOULD come in very handy here.

>...(still got that compression guage in your
>purse, by the way?)

Nope but I keep it handy.  It never seemed useful to spend weeks 
troubleshooting the fuel and ignition systems when you had a burnt valve. 
 I've always thought that it was useful to run a compression check and 
look at spark plug colours when you have a problem that you can not 
diagnose properly within a few minutes.  But then again I once spent 
weeks tracking down a mysterious ignition problem that magically cured 
itself when I changed the fuel filter, so what do I know?

I do keep the Lucas combination screwdriver and point gap tool on my key 
ring though.  Does that count?

 
>...but before that she almost got coined the "list flirt"...
'
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!  DAD! RUSSELL'S PICKING ON ME AGAIN!

I was told that it was YOU  who was doing the flirting over the mail list 
using Dixon's computer and mail address while he was indisposed at the 
end of a party.

>Dixon and TeriAnn up in a tree,
>DoubleU are EN CH I n g,
>r"what I would do for a **complete** set of digests..."d/nige
'
A complete set of digests would provide us both with blackmail parity.  
Of course now we could probably both blackmail Sandy ;*)

Wait a minute!!

Now that I think back to those days, I think YOU are the individual that 
first appointed me "Official" list Mom.

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT - If anyone gets upset about me acting like the List 
MOM, send your flames to: dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com

I'm just a poor innocent dupe to Russell's grand plan of world 
domination. Hmmm or is Russell just a dupe in Nigel's grand plan for 
world domination?

Russell, I'm looking forward to meeting you in person at the ANARC Land 
Rover 50th Anniversary celebration.  We have known each other WAY too 
many years for never having met.

Take care and thanks for tossing some sunshine into my day,

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 11:46:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

>For Terianne and anyone else looking for propane heat, try your local RV 
>or Marine supply.

I've been to both places.  The RV places have physically big units mostly 
designed to be built into the outside wall of the RV and to heat 
comparatively huge spaces.  They have well mount catalyst heaters, the 
smallest of which might fit.  I checked into these.  They do not seem to 
like heavy vibration and dust seems to shorten the life of the catalyst 
dramatically.

I have newish factory seals that funnels dust from miles away into the 
interior of my LR (attempt at humor).

The most promising one from West Marine is a vertical heater that 
requires a chimney.  It requires more space than I have.  I guess they 
all do.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:05:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Apology-no LR content

Russell Writes:

>Hey, TeA, no need to apologize.  If somebody doesn't like your scene
>they can always hit "D".  It's a free world.  If you bug 'em, uh,
>sorry-no SO WHAT!
'
Russell, I want to have friends on the net, not enemies.  The e-mails I 
received yesterday bothered me all night long.  People wouldn't send them 
unless I rubbed them the wrong way.  I do not want to do that to others.  
I even know Ben personally.  I'm just trying to take the criticisms and 
turn them around to help me become a better person. 

 When I perceive that I have done someone an injustice, I at least want 
to apologize for it then try to correct it.  Sometimes it is hard.  It 
took Tom Wash and I a good six months to get over our bitter fighting 
during the list break up but we have since become friends. That is the 
outcome I would prefer.

>And, your spell checker works great!!  Next time you say "winch" we'll
>all know what you're talking about!!
'
I doubt it.  The spell checker passes wench too.

>But...
'
>!!!
>I'm looking for a propane heater that I can have on all night to keep me
>toasty warm.
'!!!
'
>There's real cheap solutions...nope, not goin' there.  Lips are sealed.  
>Fingers tied behind my back.
'

The upper Dormobile bunk where I sleep is 22 inches wide.

>r"can't we all just get along?"d/nige
'
Unfortunately strife seems to come to those with strong personalities...  
But I think we could all try to get along.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:17:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

TerriAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps.

Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine
pre-heaters.  They are used in very cold places, far from electricity so
you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.

david

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:18:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Apology-no LR content

>TeriAnn,
>        I think you were much too hard on yourself.

Jim, you found my other big fault.  I hold myself to a much higher 
standard of behavior than I expect from anyone else and than most anyone 
else thinks is reasonable.

I know what it is like to be hurt and find it painful if I hurt others. 

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

David Wrote:
>TerriAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps.
>Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine
>pre-heaters.  They are used in very cold places, far from electricity so
>you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.

"Ebersomethingorother"  :  )   I think they have got a web site. TeA, do a
web search for propane heaters - I came up with a few when I was looking
for the standard type - but can't remember now... Cheers - Peter

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Ian Vowles <Ian@modricusa.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:38:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

>David Wrote:
>>TerriAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps.
>>Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine
>>pre-heaters.  They are used in very cold places, far from electricity so
>>you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.

This is the info I have :

USA					CANADA
Espar Inc.				Espar Products Inc.
17370 North Laurel Park Drive	6435 Kestrel Road
Suite 400E				Mississauga
Livonia				Ontario
Michigan 48152			L5T 1Z8

Tel: 313 591 4025			Tel: 905 670 0960
Fax: 313 591 4024			Fax: 905 670 0728

Contact: Robert S. Jensen		Contact: Scott Hall / Jeff Walker

Haven't tried the product yet , but sure sounds good.

Ian
66 S11A  pale green - to be redone ( real green )
Colorado

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Fri, 29 May 1998 22:44:27 +0200
Subject: My starter motor thinks it is a machinegun

Dear list,

At least my problems seems to travel alone... Since I bought my Rover in
March I have had about as many problems with it as I have had with my Volvo
since I bought it (4 years and 150.000 km ago...). I am not complaining and
I assume my Rover will, in some time, be in good shape because most things
will be new... After fixing the brakes, timing chain + gears, leaking
diesel pump, glow plugs + resistor and more (the car is running for some
days and you start to feel good about it when new things happen...) I now
have problems with my starter motor. It seems to think it is a machine gun.
The symptoms is as follows: When trying to start the machine gun sound is
always there. The engine is turned and the car will start, even though I
think the engine is not turning as fast as it should.  My theory is: The
solenoid starts to go bad and is not strong enough. The starter gear on the
starter is not gripping the starter gears on the flywheel properly. There
are some slipping and the engine will not turn as it should. An alternative
explenation would be that wear in the starter motor gear or the starter
gear on the flywheel (or both) cause them to slip. It doesn´t matter if I
move the car and thus also alters the flywheel. This phenomenon appeared
suddenly and it makes me a bit nervous. I assume the starter motor will
give up in the worst possible spot and no, I can´t hand crank it because
the starter dog has been changed for a ordinary bolt and I don´t have the
manual starter device. Any comments and help will be greatly appreciated. 

When reading the above after writing it I realise it sound like I am not at
all happy with my Rover. This is absolutely not the case and I like it more
and more for each day. It must be something weird when you like a car more
and more even if it only gives you more and more trouble. I guess I am
starting to get as mad as everyone else in this list?

Thanks Bill for your advice concerning my whining gearbox/transfer box. It
looks like I have to live with the sound until I have time and money to
pull the gearboxes and check them. Both the reconditioned gearbox and
modification of the transfer box was made in England by a Land Rover shop
by the PO. I am curious about the out put gear you are mentioning. Did you
see any wear and is it a difficult job changing this gear? 

TeriAnn, don´t bother using energy to defend yourself against people who
obviously lack the knowledge on how to behave towards other people. I think
your technical know how and nice stories are much more interesting to read
about than men (boys?) whining about their green Rovers.

All the best,

Peter Thorén
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Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:01:01 +0100
Subject: Anyone know the history of GNT 824D

I don't know if anyone can help with this but I am trying to trace any
history on the above mentioned land rover.

This is a landrover which I am looking to buy and it appears in the form of
a series 2 SWB petrol soft top. If anyone knows of this landrover I would be
pleased to hear from them.

Also could anyone tell me where I am likely to find the chassis numbers.

Please reply to alan@owls-house.demon.co.uk

regards

Alan

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:02:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nevada Trek June 5-7

***  Less than a week to go before the LROA Nevada Trophy event!  ***

Following up on the well received Desert-Pro Challenge last December
in the Fernley area of Nevada, LROA is organizing a similar event
cross-country style from Reno to Las Vegas, NV on June 5-7, 1998.

Tentative plans are to arrive in Reno on Thursday night, June 4.
Friday 9 AM, meet at the Windsor Inn, 60 E Victoria Ave (E Mc Carren
Exit, north of Hwy 80, next to IHOP), Sparks NV, for a GPS refresher
course.  Drive on back roads to Tonopah, NV, stay overnight.  On
Saturday, drive off-road to Beatty, NV, take in sights of several
ghost towns along the route, spend the night.  Sunday, drive off-road
to Las Vegas.  Sunday afternoon and evening, return home or stay in
Las Vegas or vicinity.

The event is open to all Land Rovers and lesser 4x4's.  Trail routes
are passable by stock equipped vehicles.  Families encouraged to
attend.  Event fee is $150 per vehicle.  Names and phone numbers of
suggested motels enroute will be announced, reservations encouraged.
Free 3 month LROA membership to all participants.

To receive the latest logistic information, as well as a list of
suggested vehicle equipment and provisions, participants are urged to
call Mike Green, LROA Event Coordinator, 925-606-8301, or fax -8302.

Call and sign up today so we can print info and material packages,
then meet us at the Windsor Inn in Sparks, NV, Friday June 5, 09:00.    

***  Less than a week to go before the LROA Nevada Trophy event!  ***

Michael Carradine                               LROA Member Services
President LROA                                  PO Box 430
Tel/Fax 925-988-0900                            Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: "Clark, Patrick D." <Clark_PD@pillsburylaw.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:17:00 -0700
Subject: Small Block Chevy

I noticed within the recent Iveco debate that someone had re-fit a 283
Chevy block into their rover.

a) How much modification was necessary (if any) to the engine
compartment

b) Are the motor mounts/tranny adapters/ (anything elses....) pre-fab
and available?

c) since the blocks are nearly identical-- has anyone had experience
with an early model 327

c) and perhaps most importantly-- I seem to remember that conventional
wisdom frowns on bolting up 300 Horsepower to the SIIA ('65) tranny and
transfer case.

My 2.25 petrol is humming right along at the moment-- but the lure of
small block Chevy parts  does have it's appeal---

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:22:48 +1200
Subject: Re: Production line disaster

>My bigger concern is that the Rover factory
>recently shifted their systems to NT. A production line disaster waiting
to
>happen.

Hello All.
             When i worked at General motors here in New Zealand. They went
to the computer operated production line (as in turned on and off) however
some dick head forgot to program in the public holidays and yes, come a
long weekend the system turned it self on and the cars were spread all over
the place it was found by the security guard on his hourly patrol.
Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
Series 3
tomd@clear.net.nz
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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:59:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Production line disaster

In a message dated 5/29/98 5:28:16 PM, Tom wrote:

>When i worked at General motors here in New Zealand. They went
>to the computer operated production line (as in turned on and off) however
>some dick head forgot to program in the public holidays and yes, come a
>long weekend the system turned it self on and the cars were spread all over
>the place it was found by the security guard on his hourly patrol.
 
Then the cars were duly dusted off, touched up and sold with the others that
received human assembly... ;-)

--pat.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:31:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Apology -no LR content

In a message dated 29/05/98  16:53:54, you write:

<< My sense of humor has always been towards the subtle side and is 
 frequently based on irony.  I think that is why I almost always prefer 
 British comedy to American comedy.  
  >>

TeriAnn
as someone who is  paid to be humourous and/or self-opinionated (and is
British) I not only recive money but I occasionally receive mail (e and snail)
about what I have written - and some of it doesn't get the point.
 However, you got two mails that you think were critical out of a list of how
many?

Just go with the math. I have over 100,000 readers and when two or three don't
like what I do then I work out that THEY are wrong.

We only hear from those who criticise, the silent majority is the vote to go
with.

I understand you have a Green coloured Land Rover ? 
 Land Rovers are the ONLY vehicles worth owning and ALL Land Rovers should be
green.

This, of course, puts you on the side of the angels.

As James Thurber (American AND funny) wrote: ''have it your own way, you heard
a seal bark.'' 
(He also wrote ''I bought the sugar'' which is totally unfunny when taken out
of context)

all spellings in this mailing are English English.

best cheers

Frank

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:20:58 -0400
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Sarasota/Tampa, FL area and have some fun?  New to the area and lacking =
knowledge of the geography (other than the coastline) here.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 16:07:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Small Block Chevy

Pat, where are you located??  

Scotty has a small block Chevy V8 that came out of a Series III.  I think 
it is for sale.  It MAY have the engine mounts & such with it.

Scotty is in Concord California.

I think standard "wisdom" is about 145HP is about the max that a series 
LR transmission can reliably handle without shortning its life noticably.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Clark, Patrick D." <Clark_PD@pillsburylaw.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:12:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Small Block Chevy

Redwood City actually-- Concord is easily attainable.  Depending on the
scenario, the mounts and adapters might be very appealing.....

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 16:22:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Apology -no LR content

>I understand you have a Green coloured Land Rover ? 

An astute guess

> Land Rovers are the ONLY vehicles worth owning and ALL Land Rovers should be
>green.

Please do not tell this to my red Triumph TR3. She would definitely take 
offense.  I already had to sell the MGBGT because it kept bickering with 
the Triumph.   

At least the Land Rover and Triumph get along.  I think its because that 
at the Triumph's heart beats an engine that was originally birthed for a 
Fergason tractor.

Thanks for the observations

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:12:10 -0500
Subject: RE: Apology -no LR content

TeriAnne:
I believe that Frank is absolutely right.
You can't live your life trying to please everybody else. It just can't be 
done.
As people around here say "You're not a $100 bill to expect a smile from 
everybody" (Even though your color is Green!)
I don't have many time on this list, but for time I've been reading and 
posting (almost always senseless things and dumb questions) I always look 
forward to your comments and "esays". I've even been through your homepage 
and really liked it (your truck too!).
If you get through to 80 of every 100 persons, then thats great, and I 
think you have a much better average.
And spelling, ohh spelling!!!, what a nightmare, just look at the mess I 
made here. Who cares about spelling in e-mail? (Eh?)
I think I'm begining to sound corny.
Don't be so hard on yourself, its not worth it.
Rover-on the Green way! ;-)

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:12:10 -0500
Subject: RE: Apology -no LR content

TeriAnne:
I believe that Frank is absolutely right.
You can't live your life trying to please everybody else. It just can't be 
done.
As people around here say "You're not a $100 bill to expect a smile from 
everybody" (Even though your color is Green!)
I don't have many time on this list, but for time I've been reading and 
posting (almost always senseless things and dumb questions) I always look 
forward to your comments and "esays". I've even been through your homepage 
and really liked it (your truck too!).
If you get through to 80 of every 100 persons, then thats great, and I 
think you have a much better average.
And spelling, ohh spelling!!!, what a nightmare, just look at the mess I 
made here. Who cares about spelling in e-mail? (Eh?)
I think I'm begining to sound corny.
Don't be so hard on yourself, its not worth it.
Rover-on the Green way! ;-)

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Matthew Wilson <bogatyr@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:24:11 -0400
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Vy vce zabili o nas russkikh...
shto? (Russian)

At 01:45 PM 29-05-98 +0100, you wrote:
>>> What ?(English)
>>> Quoi ?(French)
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
>>> hvað ? (Icelandic)
>>Wat ? (Dutch)
>If you want some less known...

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>kio ? (Esperanto)
>While I'm here, is there LR users speaking sankrit ?

Everything needed something.
Some things needed everything.
Nothing needed nothing.
		-Peter Egan

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:35:56 EDT
Subject: Re:  looking into a Rangie

Charles, save up for a transmission. Those ZF 4HP22s are sorry! Volvo, Peugeot
and BMW all use the same basic box and they have two kinds; rebuilt and needs
rebuilding. BTDT, WRT my wife's Volvo.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:39:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone know the history of GNT 824D

Chassis number is usually stamped into the front right forward spring mount.

Alan Bishop wrote:

> I don't know if anyone can help with this but I am trying to trace any
> history on the above mentioned land rover.
> This is a landrover which I am looking to buy and it appears in the form of
> a series 2 SWB petrol soft top. If anyone knows of this landrover I would be
> pleased to hear from them.
> Also could anyone tell me where I am likely to find the chassis numbers.

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> regards
> Alan

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:19:54 -0400
Subject: Re: tranny jumping out of first low

I`m afraid your gearbox is due for a rebuild. The splines on the gear are 
rounded
to the point where they no longer "lock" sufficiently and under load (such as 
slow
downhill crawl) they ride over each other and jump out of mesh.. A temporary
partial fix is to install a reverse selector detent spring in place of the 
standard
first spring. The reverse spring is a stronger spring and will help to retain 
it in
gear., but it won`t cure it.

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> >Any Ideas why this happened? Should I keep a hand on the gearstick to =
> >make sure it don't jump out again? Drag an engine block behind me to act
> >= as a sea anchor?-------
> Hey Art. this is more common on the SIII I think. It used to happen on mine 
all
> the time before I rebuilt the 'box. I would think on the SII box being 
straight
> cut you may be able to hold the lever in. On my SIII it put ALOT of pressure 
on
> the stick if you tried to hold it in, it really wouldn't work.
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> later
> DaveB

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:00:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

Eberspacher and Webasto make a small diesel fuelled air to air heater with
the smallest having a capacity of  7000 Bthu`s/hr. The old Volkswagon
gasoline heater was an Eberspacher unit. The smallest unit is about 10" long
and approx.5" dia. and has an exhaust pipe about 1" in dia. It`s not a big
deal to install a separate small diesel tank, especially in a 109. Larry
Berti has fitted one in his 88 and it works just fine on a cold Canadian
night.

David Scheidt wrote:

> TerriAnn is looking for heat while she sleeps.
> Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine
> pre-heaters.  They are used in very cold places, far from electricity so
> you can start the vehicle.  They might have something that is suitable.
> david

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:08:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

On Fri, 29 May 1998, d.h.lowe wrote:

> Eberspacher and Webasto make a small diesel fuelled air to air heater with
See, I knew someone would know how to spell eberspacher...

David

> > Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:21:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Front seats

Michael.      The only solution for "Mary" is for him to buy a 107 and to 
install
the drivers seat in the rear bed area. At 6'-5"  he perhaps needs one of those
stand up seats the delivery trucks use.Would look good in his Series I. either
that or surgery.

Michael Fredette wrote:

>  I need front seats in my Series I. How about it, could anyone recommend a
>  seat that would fit from the local scrap yard. The ones that I have tried
>  are too big in the seat.  (ROO)
>    Well "Mary", as the military seats were a bit uncomfortable (OK lousy)
> in my 101, I took careful measurements, and ended up fitting Toyota 4Runner
> to the front, a tight fit, but oh so comfy. And at 6'2", I can still worm
> my way in and out of the 101 cab, albeit with a few gymnastic contortions.
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> that's your reason for needing better seats.
> Rgds

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:26:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Propane heaters

That`s why they changed their name to Espar.  :-)

David Scheidt wrote:

> On Fri, 29 May 1998, d.h.lowe wrote:
> > Eberspacher and Webasto make a small diesel fuelled air to air heater with
> See, I knew someone would know how to spell eberspacher...
> David
> > > Ebersomethingorother make gas, diesel and maybe propane fired engine

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From: "David C. Mackie" <dcmackie@connect.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:06:59 -0600
Subject: Bren Workman - down from Alaska

I got a phone call from Bren Workman this evening (Friday 10:30 pm)
indicating that he and family have safely arrived in Edmonton from their
stepping off point in Fairbanks Alaska.

The 109 "Baldwin" is running well with a bit of spring sagging due to the
load on the roof rack.  They will be departing for Great Falls Montana on
Sunday.
// David C. Mackie            Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
// e-mail:  mackie @ cips . ca   Phone: (403) 427-9099
// 1998 Discovery SD

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:28:10 +0200
Subject: Re: Apology -no LR content

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 29/05/98  16:53:54, you write:
> << My sense of humor has always been towards the subtle side and is
>  frequently based on irony.  I think that is why I almost always prefer
>  British comedy to American comedy.
> TeriAnn

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> best cheers
> Frank

Gotta say this...

My votes with Frank. If people don't like what you say f**k 'em and
forget them - life's way too short to drink bad wine.

Now can we can the character assasination / heartfelt self-flaggelation
and get back to Landys (OK, maybe we need to keep the self-flaggelation
handy for this one...).

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Johan Helsingius <Johan.Helsingius@EU.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:21:08 +0200
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Richard Marsden wrote:

>  >  Mika ?(Finnish)

>PS: Is "Mika" what the Finnish say when one of their countrymen keeps
>winning a Formula 1  races??

I really shouldn't jump into this, and it really doesn't have any LR
content, but as a swedish-speaking Finn living in Amsterdam, and with
an interest in comparative linguistic perversions, I just have to... 

The source of confusion is the inability of standard ASCII to convey
the nuances of umlaut characters. The finnish language has two extra
characters, "ä" and "ö", and "ä" is something very different from "a". 

The Formula 1 driver is actually called "Mika Häkkinen", but result
boards and sports TV usually distort that into "Hakkinen". The phonetically
more accurate representation would be "Haekkinen". Well, anyway, the
query word in Finnish is actually "Mikä" or "Mitä", depending on if
you are referring to a concrete, enumerable object or an abstract,
innumerable entity. Sorry for not remembering the appropriate grammatical
term - I spent my Finnish Grammar lessons reading cheap sci-fi and
Biggles, and picked up my Finnish in the back streets of Helsinki. 

So there! Should teach you to make fun of languages even weirder
than you think! :)

	Johan "Julf" Helsingius
	SIII military carawagon "Caravan, Commanders 3/4t 4WD utility"

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:07:17 +0000
Subject: Re: Apology -(some) LR content

TeriAnn/Roxanne:  "I was being ironic."

LRO/Cyrano:  "Oh, irony! Oh, no, no!  We don't get that here.   
People here ski topless while smoking dope, so irony is not really a
top priority.  We haven't had any irony here since about '83, when I
was the last practioner, but I stopped because I was tired of being
stared at."

Roxanne:  "Oh, brother!"

**********

There is LR content in that.  A virtual wench (complete with 
self-lubricating spiel checker) to the first person who recognises it.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu  (University of Denver, Denver, CO 80208, USA)
Land Rover page:    http://www.du.edu/~tomills/landrover.html

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:32:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Apology -(some) LR content

In a message dated 30/05/98  10:08:04, you write:

<<  "Oh, irony! Oh, no, no!  We don't get that here.   
 People here ski topless while smoking dope, so irony is not really a
 top priority.  We haven't had any irony here since about '83, when I
 was the last practioner, but I stopped because I was tired of being
 stared at."
  >>
line one:  Land Rover chassis (you call them frames) are made of 'irony' while
the bodies are made of aliy.
line two: 'People' drive in Land Rovers; carry 'skis' on them; take the (and
their if I remember one girlfreind correctly) 'tops off' ; Land Rovers
'smoke'; only a 'dope' would own one; my 110 was built in '83'.....
 I have to go now to talk to these men in white coats, please forward my
prize..

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:32:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Apology -no LR content

In a message dated 30/05/98  00:23:21, you write:

<< Please do not tell this to my red Triumph TR3. She would definitely take 
 offense.  I already had to sell the MGBGT because it kept bickering with 
 the Triumph.   
 
 At least the Land Rover and Triumph get along.  I think its because that 
 at the Triumph's heart beats an engine that was originally birthed for a 
 Fergason tractor.
  >>

TweriAnn,

oh dear, are you in trouble!
 Luckily you got rid of the MGB. Now these were made in Abingdon (as you no
doubt know) but did you know that the Abingdon lot,  just off the edge of
Oxford, came up with BRG, British Raciong Green... this is NOT Bronze Green.
(I know, I had to sit down and rest when I first found this out as well).
 Then of course, there's the Triumph, not only a tractor engine but a tractor
body as well (tee hee, we once put a TR engine -2 or 3 - into a TVR , it shook
itself to bits in a couple of months).
 For Triumph, see my Gaydon Founders Day interview in the 50th anniversary
issue of LRO - for money you went down the road to Triumph, for fun and
pleasure you went to Rover.
 Not for nothing is there a saying when people are being ignored ''sent to
Coventry''.
 What a hell hole, sell any car painted red and any car made in Coventry - how
you sell yours twice is up to you.

best cheers

Frank
(PS there  may be a high humourous content in this mailing , or not,
possibly, perhaps)

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