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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:03:36 +0100
Subject: Empty the fuel tank

Hello,

After one year standing in front of the garage, I have now enought money to
repair my landie.
Does someone know if there is a way to emtpy the fuel tank (as the diesel
inside may be a little bit old) without removing the tank ? There is a screw
at the bottom of the tank, what is it for ?

Thanks a lot.
Alain-Jean PARES
88D Series III

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:07:10 +0100
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

>Chers utilisateurs ou devrais-je dire restaurateurs de LandRover, j'ai
>beaucoup de plaisir depuis plusieurs mois ŕ lire vos articles, mais avec
>une seule petite restriction, pourquoi sont ils toujours en anglais ?
>Sorry, it was a joke !

J'ai ete heureux un instant de voir que l'on avait un francais sur la liste,
et puis j'ai vu ou tu est... Un peu loin helas. Mais tres content tout de
meme.
Happy to meet you, may be follow by email. How is the weather in Martinique
?

Alain-Jean PARES
Fontainebleau FRANCE
88D Series III

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:18:28 +0100
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

Yep, undo the bolt in the bottom.   It will be done up pretty solid!  :-)

Of course, the civvie tanks don't have the large filler cap, which lets you
gaze inside and see what all the bits do.  You (or I can) even put your arm
in, to check X,Y,Z...   :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr on 05/28/98 02:03:36 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Empty the fuel tank

Hello,
After one year standing in front of the garage, I have now enought money to
repair my landie.
Does someone know if there is a way to emtpy the fuel tank (as the diesel
inside may be a little bit old) without removing the tank ? There is a
screw
at the bottom of the tank, what is it for ?
Thanks a lot.
Alain-Jean PARES
88D Series III

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 8:30:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

Alain-Jean PARES quothe:
After one year standing in front of the garage, I have now enought money 
to
repair my landie.

Why didn't I think of that! Park the truck in front of a garage and 
eventually the owners and customers will take pity on you and give you 
money to fix the mess.
Alain-Jean, you are a genius!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:

>SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
>> Jim Allen has the right idea, take it outside (again).

How about outside in a fun sense of the word??  Maybe a super-soaker battle
between the defenders of the LROS and the AW and all of those that have
been left "less than happy" in the past at the big 50th bash...???  I'm
bringing mine and unless you want to be left defenseless......  I'll leave
it up to you to determine what side I'll be defending.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 8:35:12 -0400
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Nous avons not tried un autre language, comme Franchaise oder Deutsch 
parce que we all avais enough des problems avec l'anglais. Nous don't 
voudrais pas to make plus de trouble by understanding being non.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 08:36:54 EST
Subject: Re[5]: B.G.R.s

>I Sheep are both too smart and too fast for Mr.Bobeck.   He does however 
>have a goat that will take a step backwards when he whistles.

That's why we graze them near the edge of the cliff Russ.
The only way we can get them to go backwards. Trick I learned from Republicans.

later

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From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:38:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

>There is a screw
>at the bottom of the tank, what is it for ?

Get a bucket & find out!  BTW, aged diesel fuel doesn't breakdown like 
gasoline does.  I doubt that draining the tank is necessary.  I just 
started up my petrol IIa after a 10 month "rest", and it fired on the 
first crank.

Tony

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:46:11 +0100
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

There are microbes which love to munch through diesel though.
Mainly a problem in the tropics, I understand...

Petrol, its more a seperating-out problem, isn't it?  Especially
unleaded/aromatic varieties?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

asanna@sacofoods.com on 05/28/98 01:38:31 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Empty the fuel tank

>There is a screw
>at the bottom of the tank, what is it for ?
Get a bucket & find out!  BTW, aged diesel fuel doesn't breakdown like
gasoline does.  I doubt that draining the tank is necessary.  I just
started up my petrol IIa after a 10 month "rest", and it fired on the
first crank.
Tony
Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA
asanna@sacofoods.com
1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:42:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

>Hello,
>After one year standing in front of the garage, I have now enought money to
>repair my landie.
>Does someone know if there is a way to emtpy the fuel tank (as the diesel
>inside may be a little bit old) without removing the tank ? There is a screw
>at the bottom of the tank, what is it for ?

You get three guesses and the first two don't count.....   Yep, undo that
big screw and you will get a stream of old smelly diesel into the container
of your choice.  Once you have your container of nasty old diesel consult
the digest for helpful hints on how to dispose of it.  Leaving it in a can
marked "gas" outside of your garage overnight was the best answer if I
remember..   Good luck on the resurection.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:07:52 -0500
Subject: Aluminum Workhorse question

I've seen the "15 Years" number mentioned several times, but back in the
early '80's (80-81) I was at a fellow Rover owner's house in VT and was
perusing his old, at *that* time,  copies of "The Aluminum Workhorse". Are
we talking two different rags here?

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:16:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

>There are microbes which love to munch through diesel though.
>Mainly a problem in the tropics, I understand...
>Petrol, its more a seperating-out problem, isn't it?  Especially
>unleaded/aromatic varieties?

Remembering the fuel shortage/fuel hording years in the '70's, the 
survivalist's mentality of the time was to switch to diesel power and 
convert old furnace heating oil tanks to 600 gallon personal gas (diesel) 
stations - the reasoning being that it was unrealistic to store gasoline 
for long periods of time.  And, hey....  how could THEY be wrong!

Tony

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: GreenRovr@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:21:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>, asshole at large; writes:

> You are not and never have been a member of LROA, as such you are
> not endowed with the insight to properly comment on the Association.

actually, just since i have been not been foolish enough to participate in
your little ego-trip/ponzi scheme does not preclude me from commenting on your
clubs ability to do little other than take money from people. I have been been
on this (lro) list almost since inception, so watching the trials and
tribulations of people who have paid dues and recieved nothing but troubles is
nothing new to me. I save my money for clubs that deliver what they promise.

> In spite of tumultuous changes, LROA published 7 issues of the AW
> newsmagazine in the last 3-1/2 years.  This works out to 2 AW's per

WOW! 2 whole issues per year! That's, hmm, lets see... $10 per issue! What a
bargain! 

> hope you enjoyed them.

actually no, the design is pedestrian and is the "look!, i have a computer"
sort of crap one sees nowdays. the writing is fair, and there is no editing
whatsoever.

> The LROA has historically extended memberships to keep pace with
> the production of AW news magazines, and continues to do so.

actually that isnt good enough, everybody knows that LORA has a huge bank
account, that's what all you people in the bay area are fighting over, the
poor "club" member on the other end is getting screwed, if someone "joins" for
1 year and expects 4 issues in that year, and it takes 2 and a half years for
them to get those 4 issues,  It is arrogant to assume the contract fulfilled,
(actually it is very
californian) without making any restitution for failing to live up to your end
of the contract
besides your troubles are nothing new, cashing checks without starting
memberships goes back 5+ years. 

> LROA asks members for dues to belong to the Association, we do not
> sell magazines.  The AW is one of the benefits of belonging to the
> LROA.  Another benefit is the privilege of volunteering to submit
> articles, photos, and other talents of interest and benefit to fellow
> Land Rover owners in North America for inclusion in the Aluminum

So there are 2 benefits for belonging to LORA, 
1) reading a magazine that doesnt come out, and 
2) writing for a magazine that doesnt come out, sounds like a bargain!

> Workhorse.  Obviously you either lack these skills or have nothing
> positively to contribute that is of interest to Land Rover owners.

sticks and stones, my dear Mr. Pinhead, sticks and stones 

> existence for near 15 years and brought fellowship to 2,000 members.
> What have you done for us lately?

Well, for openers I havent defrauded anyone of any money.

Are you claiming to have 2000 members, or have you just managed to ailenate
that many people in 15 years?

Arthur M. Marker
1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"

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From: GreenRovr@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:21:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> writes: 
> Please folks.

> Take your fight off line.

> P - L - E - A - S - E

who died and appointed you den mother? 

Few of us at this point care how little how fabulous your truck is, or how
many high volume mailing lists you belong to.

Arthur M. Marker
1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"

and NO, i will NOT change the name of my rover.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:34:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

Well, if you've got a 600 gallon tank of petrol, and it separates out, I'm
not going to volunteer to switch the electrically powered stirrer, on!!!!

As I said, I think the microbes & diesel is a tropical (eg. Africa)
problem, rather than a Wisconsin problem...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

asanna@sacofoods.com on 05/28/98 02:16:50 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Empty the fuel tank

>There are microbes which love to munch through diesel though.
>Mainly a problem in the tropics, I understand...
>Petrol, its more a seperating-out problem, isn't it?  Especially
>unleaded/aromatic varieties?
Remembering the fuel shortage/fuel hording years in the '70's, the
survivalist's mentality of the time was to switch to diesel power and
convert old furnace heating oil tanks to 600 gallon personal gas (diesel)
stations - the reasoning being that it was unrealistic to store gasoline
for long periods of time.  And, hey....  how could THEY be wrong!
Tony

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA
asanna@sacofoods.com
1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:32:45 -0500
Subject: Re: LR chat

TeriAnn evangelizes:
>Old computers running AOL for DOS??  Gosh that's publically admitting
>that you are into pain for fun.
snip

Hey, don't laugh. Over 50% of PC's worlwide still run on DOS. In fact, IBM
just announced PC DOS 2000. My bigger concern is that the Rover factory
recently shifted their systems to NT. A production line disaster waiting to
happen.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse question

Tom,

        Couldn't be. I produced the first Workhorse in the summer of '84.
The first issue was dated August/September. I just dug it out and looked at
it. It sure looks a lot better now!! Tom, I suspect your memory is
beginning to blur from age, as mine has.

        Jim Allen

>I've seen the "15 Years" number mentioned several times, but back in the
>early '80's (80-81) I was at a fellow Rover owner's house in VT and was
>perusing his old, at *that* time,  copies of "The Aluminum Workhorse". Are
>we talking two different rags here?
>Tom Rowe
>Network Systems Administrator
>WI Center for Dairy Research
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Four wheel drive allows you to get
> stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: =?us-ascii?Q?Douglas_Bohme?= <schailey@uscom.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:35:55 -0400
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

Cranky boy.

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From: "Steve Swiger" <steve@swiger.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:40:14 -0400
Subject: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!! - End it!

>TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> writes:
>> Please folks.
>> Take your fight off line.
>> P - L - E - A - S - E
>who died and appointed you den mother?
>Few of us at this point care how little how fabulous your truck is, or how
>many high volume mailing lists you belong to.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"
>and NO, i will NOT change the name of my rover.

Having been in LURK mode for a very long time, I would like to make a
suggestion.  (sorry, no voice of reason at this point).
<unlurk>
I have enjoyed very much reading TeriAnn's posts over the last 4 years.  She
has contributed a whole lot.  However, there is one thing that her rover has
probably never done that I would love for her to try at this point in time:
Hitch it up to that pole up your Arse and Yank it straight out, Mr. Marker.
Now let's get back to regularly scheduled content, take this shit private,
and grow up.
</unlurk>
On a brighter note, I want to thank all of the content contributors over the
years I have been on the list for the tips, hints, trips, and fellowship...
It has helped, and I can't wait to get Moose back on the road after the
restoration hiatus.

Thanks again,
Steve and Moose (73 III SWB in restoration mode)

------------------------------

From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:53:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse question

>        Couldn't be. I produced the first Workhorse in the summer of '84.
>The first issue was dated August/September. I just dug it out and looked
at
>it. It sure looks a lot better now!! Tom, I suspect your memory is
>beginning to blur from age, as mine has.

Well, on the memory issue, I'll grant you....um,what was I saying??

But on the Aluminum Workhorse I *do* remember that clearly, because I
lusted after them quite seriously, but the old codger wouldn't part with
them. It must be two entirely seperate mags with the same name. Not too
farfetched actually, given the topic. And he had a pretty good stack of
them, a dozen or more.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:35:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

>You get three guesses and the first two don't count.....   Yep, undo that
>big screw and you will get a stream of old smelly diesel into the container
>of your choice.  Once you have your container of nasty old diesel consult
>the digest for helpful hints on how to dispose of it.  Leaving it in a can
>marked "gas" outside of your garage overnight was the best answer if I
>remember..   Good luck on the resurection.

Thanks all for the answers, I'll mount my reconditionned injection pump on
saturday (I found the girl of my dreams : she has a brother in law ...
mechanical)

Thanks again.

------------------------------

From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:17:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Empty the fuel tank

>Thanks all for the answers, I'll mount my reconditionned injection pump on
>saturday (I found the girl of my dreams : she has a brother in law ...
>mechanical)

Recondidtioned? Then you defnately want to drain the diesel out of the
tank, and, idealy, flush out the lines. Diesel, as mentioned, is a very
good media for growing fungus. That's part of the market for diesel fuel
condidtioners, the good ones help to prevent that. Also make sure you have
a top notch fuel filter *and* water seperator. I really like Racor, but I'm
sure there are other good ones out there.
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:19:23 +0100
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

>Nous avons not tried un autre language, comme Franchaise oder Deutsch
>parce que we all avais enough des problems avec l'anglais. Nous don't
>voudrais pas to make plus de trouble by understanding being non.

What ?(English)
Quoi ?(French)
Ti ? (Greek)
Mika ?(Finnish)
hvađ ? (Icelandic)
...

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From: "Tiago Ribeiro" <tiago.ribeiro@megamedia.pt>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:28:38 +0100
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:37:20 +0100
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

 >  >Nous avons not tried un autre language, comme Franchaise oder Deutsch
  >  >parce que we all avais enough des problems avec l'anglais. Nous don't
  >  >voudrais pas to make plus de trouble by understanding being non.
  >  What ?(English)
  >  Quoi ?(French)
  >  Ti ? (Greek)
  >  Mika ?(Finnish)
  >  hvap ? (Icelandic)
Eeeeh,  Spit it out lad!    (Tyke)
Que?   ("I'm from Barcelona")

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109")

PS: Is "Mika" what the Finnish say when one of their countrymen keeps
winning a Formula 1  races??

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse question

Tom,

        I'm very disappointed! When I coined the Aluminum Workhorse name, I
thought it was a stroke of original genius. What do you remeber about them
besides the title. Ours was a budget special, done on a photocopier at my
wife's office. They were done that way until 1987 when I left to work at
Rovers North. Any specifics you remember may be helpful to pin this down.

        Jim Allen

>>        Couldn't be. I produced the first Workhorse in the summer of '84.
>>The first issue was dated August/September. I just dug it out and looked
>at
>>it. It sure looks a lot better now!! Tom, I suspect your memory is
>>beginning to blur from age, as mine has.
>Well, on the memory issue, I'll grant you....um,what was I saying??
>But on the Aluminum Workhorse I *do* remember that clearly, because I
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)]
>Four wheel drive allows you to get
> stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 07:40:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

>TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> writes: 
>> Please folks.
>> Take your fight off line.
>> P - L - E - A - S - E
>who died and appointed you den mother? 
>Few of us at this point care how little how fabulous your truck is, or how
>many high volume mailing lists you belong to.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
>1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"
>and NO, i will NOT change the name of my rover.

Sigh

I was appointed the official list "Mom" back in '92.  Back then there 
were less that 50 of us on this list and we did things like that.

Now turn off your computer and go into your room.  No dinner for you  
tonight.

And no I don't care if you change the name of your car.  I don't care 
that you changed your AOL address to the name of my car.  I was wrong to 
try to talk you out of naming your car after mine.  Imitation is the 
sincerest form of flattery.  

I am proud of The Green Rover and constantly talk her up because she used 
one of the worst looking cars to show up at treks or meets.  I once had a 
person ask me to bring my car to a British field meet by telling me that 
they had a prize for the worst looking drivable British car. I puchased 
her as a worn out shell of a car and towed her home.  It took me half a 
year just to get her drivable for short trips to town.

I have put a LOT of sweat and work into fixing up a completely worn out 
old car and turning her into a dependable long range expidition car.  The 
Green Rover is more off road capable than she was new.  Yes I'm proud of 
the work I did.  Maybe I go overboard in showing her off.  Well no maybe. 
 I DO go overboard talking her up.  But it is the first time I have done 
something like this and I am both suprised and proud that everything 
looks and works so well.  So please excuse me if I am over exuberant in 
showing off the work I have done on my car.

Please make some allowances for us less perfect beings.  I will 
eventulally get used to how well the car has turned out and stop trying 
to show her off at every oppertunity.

sigh

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:47:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse question

>        I'm very disappointed! When I coined the Aluminum Workhorse name,
I
>thought it was a stroke of original genius. What do you remeber about them
>besides the title. Ours was a budget special, done on a photocopier at my
>wife's office. They were done that way until 1987 when I left to work at
>Rovers North. Any specifics you remember may be helpful to pin this down.

About all I remember is that they were thick, IMO, at least thick enough to
warrant a square binding (don't know what the publishing world calls that),
but thinner that LRW or LROI. The issues I looked at had an image on the
front, with about a 1- 1 1/2" fairly plain border all the way around.
That's about all I can really remember. Too many pints over the years since
then I expect. ;-)
Sorry I can't be of more help on it.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:01:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

TA Wrote:
>What kinds of heaters do they make??? Propane?  Very small propane
>suitable for a LR rear interior??

Maradyne makes heaters which run off the engine hot water, and use an
electric fan to circulate the air.   -  Peter

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 May 98 08:25:50 MST
Subject: Cruising for dates on the internet.

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Dave "B" (The OTHER "Dave B", not me) is being accused of cruising for dates
on the internet. Hey! Why not? A few years ago, when I was still single, I
jokingly posted something like:

  '94 Disco owner, also has IIa 109 and IIa 88, looking for single woman
  with Range Rover and D90 to complete the set... Send photos of rigs.

Whatcha got to lose???  ;-)

Dave (the OTHER one) B.

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
 away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:26:05 -0700
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

	 >  What ?(English)
	  >  Quoi ?(French)
	  >  Ti ? (Greek)
	  >  Mika ?(Finnish)
	  >  hvap ? (Icelandic)
	Eeeeh,  Spit it out lad!    (Tyke)
	Que?   ("I'm from Barcelona")

Eh? (Canadian)

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:28:15 -0400
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

Paul Q. adds:

>Eh? (Canadian)

No, this is not an expression of inquiry - or at lest not simply one.

This is truly the heart of English as spoken by the Commonwealth member to
the north of the USA.

The simple word "EH?" can express a range of emotion from simple agreement
or disagreement to violent affirmation or denial (or anything in between,
for that matter).

It's also Commonwealth law (or at least Ontario Province law) that this
word must be at the end of at least every other sentence spoken by any
resident of Canada.

          aj"It's a multi-valued word, eh?"r

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 28 May 1998 13:56:00 -0400
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>LROA has no apologies to make to you or to cater to your perception
>of what a Land Rover club should be.  The Association has been in
>existence for near 15 years and brought fellowship to 2,000 members.
>What have you done for us lately?

Say what?  "What have you done for *US* lately?"  What nerve...
What has LROA done for its membership in the past five years?
Pathetically little when contrasted to many of the other clubs
across this continent.  Your logic is all backwards.  What have 
*YOU* done for the other Land Rover clubs that you are a
member of?

> Obviously you either lack these skills or have nothing
> positively to contribute that is of interest to Land Rover owners.

Ahhh, insult the average Land Rover owner.  Fine way to get new
members, influence people.  To paraphrase, "you can attract more
flies with honey than with vinegar" (S.I., B5).  

Before I stop (because I could fill pages), let us see your honest 
comparison of the AW with the newsletters of ROAV, BSROA, OVLR, 
Blue Ridge, Solihull Society, others.  Discuss content, timeliness etc.
In fact, you can discuss their events over the past couple years
to in contrast to LROA's...
  

-----

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:29:59 -0700
Subject: RE: That darn starter..

FWIW my Series II had a ground strap running from the starter to the
frame (by the steering box support bracket), and one from the
transmission to the frame.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:33:08 -0700
Subject: Where did that come from

Ignore that last post of mine.

Somehow, my mail program (Outlook) dredged up an old message and
presented it to me as a new one.  And of course I banged off a reply to
it before looking to closely...

Paul.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:51:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

In a message dated 28/05/98  15:42:55, you write:

<< Please make some allowances for us less perfect beings.  I will 
 eventulally get used to how well the car has turned out and stop trying 
 to show her off at every oppertunity.
  >>
TeriAnn,
 no you won't, not if you are a real 'dyed in the wool' Landie owner who has
spent money and sweat on making yours the very best Land Rover that there ever
was (except of course it might be second best 'cos mine's first best)

Tell you when it might go away. Y'know when you park it up and walk away? When
you no longer half-turn for an admiring glance as you walk away. 'tain't
happened to me yet.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:06:24 -0700
Subject: Resurrected a Rover. 

I started a 109 3 door for the first time in no one knows how long.It sat in
a farmers field for quit some time. It ran rather rough for a bit then
settled down to a decent idle. Low oil pressure and possibly a thermostat
that won't open (no flow of water seen at the top of the radiator). Bled the
brakes which had some work done on them last fall. New rear cylinders and
tubing on the axle. A long way from being a reliable daily driver but the
young owner is hopeful. His father bought it for him as a father son
project, and died three days later. The son now plans on keeping it more or
less stock.

T. Spoto

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

>I was appointed the official list "Mom" back in '92.
>Now turn off your computer and go into your room.  No dinner for you
>tonight.
But, but, but.......
Mom, can I please have a raise in my allowance??  I sent my $20 into LROA
and didn't get anything....

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:06:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
> don't sell yourself short! Hold out for the whole can (what the hell is Jolt
> anyway? we dont get it in the UK - but hold out for the whole can my son)

	Jolt is a cola type soda sold in parts of the US with the slogan of
"All the sugar and twice the caffine."  It has the US Federal limit of 100mg
of caffine per can (about twice that of Coke or Pepsi.  Mountain Dew as about
55mg).   However it is about the average does found in a 6 oz cup of coffee.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                          "Ben is the only guy I know that would
Collective Technologies                  describe a fix that involves the
    (a pencom company)                   removal of the tranny as 'simple'".
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"                                    -Kevin Kelly
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:07:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

TerriAnn wrote:

> Please folks.
> Take your fight off line.
> P - L - E - A - S - E

	How ironic that the very next post on the LR list after this was 
TerriAnn getting into the Mac vs DOS debate.  At least fighting about LROA
and the AW is slightly relivant to this list.  Funny how the pot complains
about the kettle being black.
 
Ben 
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 16:08:39 EST
Subject: Re: Resurrected a Rover. 

>I started a 109 3 door for the first time in no one knows how long.... His 
>father bought it for him as a father son project, and died three days 
>later. The son now plans on keeping it more or less stock.

Another happy ending to a sad story. Funny how a vehicle can be to inexorably 
tied to the most pivotal moments of our lives.

thanx for the story
later

daveb

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:36:35 EDT
Subject: POR 15

 I have used POR 15 on a restoration for a TR6 3 years ago.I really like their
frame paint. You can hit with a hammer and it won't chip,its good s**t. It has
to be painted over if its going to see the sun,(ultraviolet light). I would
use it again. I also used their engine paint ,it goes on like warm butter and
looked great until I spilled coolant on it. then it changed color. I think I
would try another vendors engine paint. Hope this has helped.
Steve F.
Merrimack NH
69 SIIA 88
65 SIIA 88

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:36:35 EDT
Subject: 2 Questions

1. I had a rattle at speed on the same lever, I cut a length of hosing of the
same diameter and cut it to fit. The problem vibration has since disapered.
2.  My speedo was bouncing so I could'nt tell haw slow I was going, as if it
mattered. I replaced the cable and now I know how slow I am going.I thought I
was going faster.
Good Luck
Steve Falkowski
Merrimack NH
SIIA 88 69
SIIA 88 65

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:09:51 -0400
Subject: Cooling off

>Didier LEPRINCE wrote:

>Another big problem for me is the cooling of the inside of the car. People,
>I dont know why, always talk about heating. May be I was lucky, but my
>série II A has a very good heating by the floor. The real problem is the
>cooling of the round the car air. Does anybody have a solution ? 

If you do, we'll put you in for a knighthood. ;-) I don't know of any
vehicle hotter in the summer and colder in the winter, and I've driven the
Rover in temps from -35 to +112F ambient.  I swear, sometimes you can bake
bread in there...

The best way to cool off the feet is to scavenge some of the safari roof
vents and fit them to the forward part of the doors.  I've seen small
grilles fitted to keep 'em from getting ripped off by brush.  i've also
wrapped the front exhaust pipe with this fiberglass insulation wrap that
seems to help a bit.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:05:27 -0600
Subject: tranny jumping out of first low
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Hi All!

Found a new trail the other day, so I thought I'd go and get my brand =
new paint job dirty/scratched up (I succeeded!!!)

I was coming down this steep hill in 1st gear low range, was about 50 =
feet from the bottom, when it jumped out of gear. Instant panic,rode it =
out,dodging basketball sized rocks all the way down!!

Any Ideas why this happened? Should I keep a hand on the gearstick to =
make sure it don't jump out again? Drag an engine block behind me to act =
as a sea anchor?-------

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 17:33:48 EST
Subject: Re: tranny jumping out of first low

>Any Ideas why this happened? Should I keep a hand on the gearstick to = 
>make sure it don't jump out again? Drag an engine block behind me to act 
>= as a sea anchor?-------

Hey Art. this is more common on the SIII I think. It used to happen on mine all 
the time before I rebuilt the 'box. I would think on the SII box being straight 
cut you may be able to hold the lever in. On my SIII it put ALOT of pressure on 
the stick if you tried to hold it in, it really wouldn't work. 
A good reason to pull the box if you can't hold it in. Plus if you need both 
hands on the wheel...
You could always fashion a strap of something to hold it in place too. 

Personally I like being able to trust that it will stay in gear going down 
hills.

later
DaveB

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 May 98 15:17:20 MST
Subject: Willys for sale. ('41-'45?)

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Please forgive me for this non Rover related post, but as many of "you" list
members like anything old, or might have some connections with someone that
may be interested. I will only post this once to the "Rover" list(s).
Thanks in advance, for indulging me.

I have a Willys Jeep for sale:

  '41-'45? (9 slots in the grill, recessed headlights on hinges, short hood,
split windshield.) Mostly "original" (as far as I can tell) except for a
tilt steering wheel and non original seats. Original (presumed?) flat head
engine, runs, but runs kind of rough. Not licensed, but probably could be.
Detroit locker in the rear differential. Roll bar, and bikini top. Massive
SOLID front bumper. Body is decent, NO RUST AT ALL!!! Looks like it's been
an Arizona vehicle all it's life.

I bought it for my son as a project vehicle (to keep him "entertained and
out of trouble" for the summer) but he lost interest.

Location: Gilbert Arizona.

Asking $3200.

email me debrown@srp.gov  or call me at: 1.602.855.9602 and leave a message.

Maybe I can get rid of this from the driveway so my wife can park her car in
the driveway for a change! I have about 2 too many vehicles, but never
enough Land Rovers.

Thanks for the "intrusion" - Dave Brown
   '42-ish Willys
   '71 IIa 88 (Land Rover content!)
   '87 Range Rover
   '86 Acura Integra (clunker) - The next one to go, I hope!
   '91 Pontiac 6000 (The wife's ride)

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
 away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: Rovergo@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:22:29 EDT
Subject: landy chat time

 Hello all
 I was checking to see if anyone was on chat site earlier today (no one of
coarse)but i noticed a time posted for sat & sun to check back it was 20:00
utc I dont mean to sound stupid and I know this leaves me wide open but does
anyone know what utc means in regards to time? at least I know how my hub
bearings are lubed.
 thanks Pat Young
65 11A 88" 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:34:32 -0700
Subject: RE: landy chat time

It  stands for Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)

It's actually used quite a bit in astronomy, where you need a very
accurate time reference. It basically is the same as Greenwich Mean Time
(GMT).  Greenwich is a town south of London.

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada  (UTC = 8 hours)

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:01:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Cooling off

While in Tobago last month (work related) I saw an older Series III 88 with an
Air Conditioner on the roof and upon closer inspection vents all along under the
dash. Have no idea where the unit came from. Do any of the custom car magazines
have vendors offering universal AC units for sale?

Tom Spoto

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:06:00 -0700
Subject: Re: tranny jumping out of first low

Fix the box, don't try holding the gear stick. I tried that when my box was 
jumping
out of 4th gear. Wore the shifting fork to the point it would not engage the 
gear.
They aren't designed to hold that much continuous side load. My two cents worth.

T.Spoto

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> >Any Ideas why this happened? Should I keep a hand on the gearstick to =
> >make sure it don't jump out again? Drag an engine block behind me to act
> >= as a sea anchor?-------
> Hey Art. this is more common on the SIII I think. It used to happen on mine 
all
> the time before I rebuilt the 'box. I would think on the SII box being 
straight
> cut you may be able to hold the lever in. On my SIII it put ALOT of pressure 
on
> the stick if you tried to hold it in, it really wouldn't work.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> later
> DaveB

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:17:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

In a message dated 28/05/98  21:09:09, you write:

<< 	Jolt is a cola type soda sold in parts of the US with the slogan of
 "All the sugar and twice the caffine."  It has the US Federal limit of 100mg
 of caffine per can (about twice that of Coke or Pepsi.  Mountain Dew as about
 55mg).   However it is about the average does found in a 6 oz cup of coffee.
  >>

so not recommended for my present state of health, (recovering from heart
attack) then.

best cheers

Frank

------------------------------

From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:25:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cooling off

Tom Wrote:
>Do any of the custom car magazines have vendors offering universal AC
>units for sale?

	A company somewhere in Texas makes heaters and AC units for vintage
autos - Vintage Air. I seem to remember looking at a web site of theirs....
Can't vouch for their products - just know they make AC units. Keep in mind
you will have to run a compressor which will suck horspower, and burn extra
fuel. To make the whole thing efficient, you'll need to insulate the roof
and maybe roofsides, from the hot sun.
	As for cooling my rover, I've been thinking about installing a
couple overhead fans, or dash fans, or an 'under the hood fresh air intake
blower motor.' Both Maradyne and McMaster-Carr have some nice 12v
fans/blowers.
	I'll probably go with the blower under the hood and pump fresh (or
remove hot) air into (from) the passenger side brake/clutch holes, since it
is the hotest there. I drive a RHD and the exaust manifold and pipes are
under the passenger.
	Oh, just remembered McMaster-Carr sells heavy duty high temp
insulation wrap - perfect for exaust manifolds and pipes!

Cheers & Keep Cool - Peter & the Green Rover ;- )

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:17:40 EDT
Subject: Re: LR chat

In a message dated 28/05/98  14:35:05, you write:

<< A production line disaster waiting to
 happen. >>

One assumes, from your address, that you have not visited the factory in
Solihull?
Then you would have written, whatever the computer system: ''a production line
disaster happening.''

best cheers

Frank

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From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:45:49 -0400
Subject: green

Oh no!!!!!!! Not THE GREEN ROVER

>From: GreenRovr@aol.com
>Arthur M. Marker
>1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol, green
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB), red, green, orange, natural
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:34:02 -0500
Subject: RE: du choix de la langue

In this part of the world (Costa Rica) poeaple say, intead of your Eh?:

Vea?
meaning "Verdad?"
what means in english something like "Isnt it true?", also "at the end of at 
least every other sentence "
Same expresion, different language, different place.

>Eh? (Canadian)
No, this is not an expression of inquiry - or at lest not simply one.

This is truly the heart of English as spoken by the Commonwealth member to
the north of the USA.

The simple word "EH?" can express a range of emotion from simple agreement
or disagreement to violent affirmation or denial (or anything in between,
for that matter).

It's also Commonwealth law (or at least Ontario Province law) that this
word must be at the end of at least every other sentence spoken by any
resident of Canada.

          aj"It's a multi-valued word, eh?"r

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com
 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:56:20 -0400
Subject: Vibration

Phillipe.. Vibration of the hi low lever can be cured in several ways, 1)
tighten up the pivot bolt at the bottom. 2) put some tape around the ball
part of the lever where it fits onto the selector shaft, and the best
method, 3) Alter the resonant frequency by changing the mass of the lever,
remove the red knob and nut  and slide some 1'2" dia ( 12 mm ) bore rubber
hose over the shaft and refit the nut and knob. This is a handy  place to
carry a short length of heater hose for emergency repairs. This also works
well with the main gear lever and you can carry a slightly longer length of
hose ( MAkes the lever feel warmer in winter too !! ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:57:34 -0400
Subject: Speedo

Phillipe. the speedo is not connected tot he battery, it does not use dc
power, as you suggest the only difference is the light bulb. 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:08:57 -0300
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

Alain-Jean PARES wrote:
> >Nous avons not tried un autre language, comme Franchaise oder Deutsch
> >parce que we all avais enough des problems avec l'anglais. Nous don't
> >voudrais pas to make plus de trouble by understanding being non.
> What ?(English)
> Quoi ?(French)
> Ti ? (Greek)
> Mika ?(Finnish)
> hvađ ? (Icelandic)

 Huh? (north american)

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:14:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> >TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> writes:
> >> Please folks.
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)]
> >1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"
> >and NO, i will NOT change the name of my rover.
> Sigh

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 39 lines)]
> eventulally get used to how well the car has turned out and stop trying
> to show her off at every oppertunity.
 TeriAnn I am sure that, like everyone who does such a project, you
learned a lot.........except spelling :)
        John and Muddy

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:30:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

TeriAnn:

Notwithstanding that you do often seem to come off as a condecending know-it-
all, I have noticed that I pay particular attention to your postings because
you are conservative in your opinions and you are almost alway right on the
money. Perhaps you do know it all (or most of it). My greenish Rover is now
limestone, so no problem about names.

I nominate you as the official Den Mother or whatever. Thanks for sharing your
knowledge and experience with the rest of us. Please keep it up.

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Presently Limestone (No Name)
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:33:11 EDT
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

What about the various hot water heaters in JC Witless?  Anyone had any
experience - good or bad - with them?

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
(Somewhere in East Tennessee)

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From: GcdoAK@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:18 EDT
Subject: Re: landy chat time

In a message dated 98-05-28 18:36:24 EDT, you write:

<<  Hello all
  I was checking to see if anyone was on chat site earlier today (no one of
 coarse)but i noticed a time posted for sat & sun to check back it was 20:00
 utc I dont mean to sound stupid and I know this leaves me wide open but does
 anyone know what utc means in regards to time? at least I know how my hub
 bearings are lubed.
  thanks Pat Young >>

Pat,
  UTC stands for Universal Time Coordinated.  This is what used to be called
Greenwich Mean Time or Zulu time.  
For the conversion in the US try this out. 
At 20:00 UTC it will be 16:00 (4 PM) on the East Coast,   UTC - 5 hours
                                 15:00 (3 PM) in the Central time zone, 
                                 14:00 (2 PM) Mountain time zone,   UTC - 7
hours
                                 13:00 (1 PM) Pacific time zone,
                                 12:00 (noon) Alaskan time zone,      UTC - 9
hours
                                 11:00 (11 AM) Hawaiian time zone,
if you are someplace else, and using the windows operating system, click on
your clock and a screen will pop up.  You can than go to the time zone section
and click around to find out what time it is elsewhere in the world.
Microsoft uses the old abbreviation, GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), but don't let
that confuse you.
  
Another source is  http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/what.html

Good luck!

Jon Stehn
gcdoak@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5870/

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

I love it - "JC Witless!" Yes, right! I'm in the process of getting the
right weatherstripping from them for my HT fixed windows - turns out their
product numbers are wrong - anyway...

>What about the various hot water heaters in JC Witless?  Anyone had any
>experience - good or bad - with them?

Ed B. - These look exactly like the Maradyne heaters - but I never checked.

(I don't like these people and their products anymore - it's hard to tell
what you are paying for before it's on you doorstep - and often it is junky
- though they do have a reasonable return policy if you don't like it. Also
their "Tech Department" knows little more than the manufacturers phone
number - and often they can't get you that bc it's located in some third
world country where the workers get 0.65$ an hour for their 20 hr days -
Yea - let's here it for multinational capatilasim ! Hoorah!!  :-|     Sorry
for the ranting and raving)

Cheers - Peter

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Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
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From: jory bell <jory@mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:21:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Vibration

or install the antishim spring at the base of the shifter (where it
pivots). it really makes a difference.

::jory

>Phillipe.. Vibration of the hi low lever can be cured in several ways, 1)
>tighten up the pivot bolt at the bottom. 2) put some tape around the ball
>part of the lever where it fits onto the selector shaft, and the best
>method, 3) Alter the resonant frequency by changing the mass of the lever,
>remove the red knob and nut  and slide some 1'2" dia ( 12 mm ) bore rubber
>hose over the shaft and refit the nut and knob. This is a handy  place to
>carry a short length of heater hose for emergency repairs. This also works
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:29:24 -0600
Subject: Re: tranny jumping out of first low

Art,

I just got done adding your name to the confirmation mailing labels for the
national rally in Steamboat.

hey try and check out the April edition of LRO. They had a great article
about trany's and what the "jump" might be caused by...I have had the same
problem with my tranny before...The little spring under the brass cap on the
top was the problem...

See ya in Steamboat
John

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:48:00 EDT
Subject: looking into a Rangie

Yep...am finally going to TRY to make the jump. With my credit union
permitting (still pending), I'm going to be looking into buying a 1989/1990
Range Rover. I'm not too worried about mileage so long as the engine/tranny
has been taken care of, since I have a SD-1, I am familiar with the engine,
and I know it's good/bad sides.

What I would like to hear, is if there's anything that I should look for,
aside from the obvious chassis damage (I know about that damnded seat switch),
and interiors.

I've already looked at a '89 Great Divide Edition that I found for $10,500
(negotiable), and it looked great, except for a few dings in it...the
Michelins looked like new!

Any suggestions would be appreciated -- though I still plan on keeping my
diesel 109!

Thanks,

Charles

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From: Kuhl Dennis <Dennis.Kuhl@hvr.siemens.de>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:49:56 +0200
Subject: Series Rover Wheels on an Jeep ??

HI 

I'm selling some wheels and someone asked me, if he can fit them on a Jeep
Wrangler. Dose anybody nows if the weels are the same size as Rover weels ? 

thanks

Dennis Kuhl   
Owner 109 SIII  1980 SANTANA SW

dennis.kuhl@hvr.siemens.de
dennis@i-lab.de  

 

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From: peachey@es.co.nz (Eric Peachey)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:49:28 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

TeriAnn was asking about Nissan 6 cylinder diesels in Land Rovers.

The Nissan LD28 6 cylinder diesel is quite a common conversion here in New 
Zealand. Our Series III 109 has one in it and we've had no problems with the 
engine yet after 4 years and 50,000km. The motors are imported second hand 
from Japan and sell locally for something like NZD1200-1500 (1 NZD = 0.55 
USD = 0.33 GBP) with a few months warranty. They are relatively cheap. I've 
also seen LD28s in Jaguars, Mercedes and Ford Falcons (Australian thing like 
the UK Ford Granada).

On the WWW there are at least two businesses that deal with that engine for 
use in LRs (Chiltern Automotive in UK and Marks 4WD in Australia).

The engine is long and is a tight fit into a series LR. You have to move the 
radiator forward and modify the chassis front crossmember. The bulkhead in 
ours has also been modified so that the motor is tilted up slightly to avoid 
fouling the front diff casing if the suspension bottoms out.

It is pretty economical compared to the LR petrol motor. It consumes on 
average somewhere between 9 and 11 litres per 100km. In NZ diesel is about 
40% cheaper than petrol. Nominally it produces 92bhp at 4400rpm and 150lb/ft 
torque at 2000 rpm. I think that's similar to the V8 in the Stage 1. A bit 
more power and torque than the LR 2.25 petrol. Lots more than the LR 2.25 
diesel. To me it seems to be a reasonably quiet diesel. Never heard an Iveco 
in a LR but Mazda 4 cylinders seem to be noisy.

There is an article in the June 1996 "Land Rover World" magazine about the 
LD28 motor. The article reviewed LD28 conversions for RR, 101 and 90. I 
imagine the motor fits more easily into these vehicles as the engine 
compartments are bigger than the Series vehicles.

Cheers,

Eric Peachey
1979 Series III LWB Hard top with Nissan LD28

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From: jkramer <jkramer@best.ms.philips.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:32:08 +0200
Subject: Re: du choix de la langue

> What ?(English)
> Quoi ?(French)
> Ti ? (Greek)
> Mika ?(Finnish)
> hvađ ? (Icelandic)

Wat ? (Dutch)

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:26:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Series Rover Wheels on an Jeep ??

No, bolt pattern is different. This is not a good fit.

               ajr

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