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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

Drew wrote: (We're planning to do New York to Fairbanks in a year or 
two & we know we're
crazy!)
No you're not Drew, that is precisely what I want to do. Head NW from 
NY to Alaska & back.
Peter Goundry
67 GS 109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

NY to AK and return:

Boy, this sounds like a lot of fun...is this on-road, or via power cuts and
the like?

                    ajr

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:21:00 -0400
Subject: Iveco and Magirus-Deutz

Michael Carradine wrote- and here I thought that IVECO was a Magirus-Duetz
prodigy.

Now there's noisy. An air-cooled diesel, no mass between the compression
ignition and our delicate ear drums. There was an M-D conversion available
fro GM Pick-ups here in the 70s. They were unwelcome on construction sites
due to the ear damage that was caused to workers unloading idling trucks!!!

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:29:00 -0400
Subject: to Geoff from Malta

A direct post bounced so.....
When are you in Niagara Falls? You'll be close to several US and Canadian
LRO's we could set up an inpromptu rally.

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From: Dennis Dickhausen <Dennis.Dickhausen@halliburton.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:48:29 +0100
Subject: Re: Tight fit in the swivel balls

Does anyone happen to have a good method for inserting the bearing and
railco bush into the swivel ball? I nearly ruined mine with banging

I also almost ruined the bearings trying to bang them in. 

Then I put the bearings in the fridge while I heated the swivel ball
with a hairdryer and there was no problem getting them in.

The smart-ass scientific explanation:
The thermal expansion coefficient of steel is 11.7e-6 1/K, so the
displacement of the steel will be small but actually sufficient even at
the low temperature difference created this way.

Dennis Dickhausen
84 SIII 88

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 8:21:27 -0400
Subject: Teriann's wolfhound...

Ms T wrote...	
Does anyone know of a good kennel nearish to Geek peak where I can safely 

leave my wolfhound for a few days?????

Maybe Spenny will let you keep it in the Honda with Miss Bo the Nutty 
Brown Dog.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 05:38:23 -0700
Subject: Re[2]: Tight fit in the swivel balls

     As a friend said,"a miss is as good as a mile".
     
     tew

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From: "Peter Hope" <shdwrvr@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:42:38 -0400
Subject: RE: Whining sound (not)

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ wrote:
<Lucky you.
<I have not yet bought mine, and my wife keeps complaining that I only talk
<about those "ugly" trucks all day.

I appear to be in the same boat.  Have been looking along the East Coast of
the US for a good project Vehicle.  Navy decided to send the SO to Hawaii
for three years, so I have started looking there.  Now she thinks I should
wait until after the three years and just get one once we get back state
side.  Aaaaargh
Regards Pete

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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned  Heite)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:50:05 -0500
Subject: IIA dashboard cluster

Yes, that is a rat's nest behind the instrument cluster, where the worst
minions of the Prince of Darkness lie in wait.

The toggle switches can be unscrewed, but I just discovered a nasty little
feature of the switches.

The headlight switch, and some of the others, have male spade connectors
attached to the panel (front) side of the switch body. These connectors are
bent around so that they appear to protrude from the side of the switch.
The hot spade connector is therefore within a tiny fraction of an inch
from, and parallel to, the dash panel. When installing new wires for the
parking and tail lights, it is easy to press the (positive) connector
against the (grounded) dash panel. When I replaced Baby's wiring harness, I
pushed the connector real hard, shorting the tail light circuit against the
dash, with predictable pyrotechnics.

Therefore, I recommend lining the dash panel with an insulating material,
even if it's just a manilla file folder, to keep stray spade connectors
from contacting the dash panel.

    _____
___(_____)
|Baby the\
|1969 Land\_===__                The world is my crumple zone.
|  ___Rover   ___|o
|_/ . \______/ . ||
___\_/________\_/____________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:58:03 +0100
Subject: Re: IIA dashboard cluster

This is where SIII owners with their "its not a proper Land Rover you know"
plastic dashes, gloat! :-))

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR which has the headlamp switch on a metal
panel, but the switch is seriously heavy duty and insulated)

eheite@dmv.com on 05/27/98 02:50:05 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  IIA dashboard cluster

Yes, that is a rat's nest behind the instrument cluster, where the worst
minions of the Prince of Darkness lie in wait.
The toggle switches can be unscrewed, but I just discovered a nasty little
feature of the switches.
The headlight switch, and some of the others, have male spade connectors
attached to the panel (front) side of the switch body. These connectors are
bent around so that they appear to protrude from the side of the switch.
The hot spade connector is therefore within a tiny fraction of an inch
from, and parallel to, the dash panel. When installing new wires for the
parking and tail lights, it is easy to press the (positive) connector
against the (grounded) dash panel. When I replaced Baby's wiring harness, I
pushed the connector real hard, shorting the tail light circuit against the
dash, with predictable pyrotechnics.
Therefore, I recommend lining the dash panel with an insulating material,
even if it's just a manilla file folder, to keep stray spade connectors
from contacting the dash panel.

    _____
___(_____)
|Baby the\
|1969 Land\_===__                The world is my crumple zone.
|  ___Rover   ___|o
|_/ . \______/ . ||
___\_/________\_/____________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:57:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

Sounds like a Rover Convoy!!!  Actually, YOU probably are sane.  We're not
planning on doing the return part of the trip!  Do they have an Immigration
office in Alaska??? ;-)  I wonder what the exchange rate is.  Ha, ha.

Drew Squires
(66 109 - Still getting dressed)

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From: GreenRovr@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:10:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> wrote:
> To join LROA and receive the latest AW and Association decal please send
> $20 annual dues, your name, address, email address, and year and model
> of Land Rovers you own to--

> Existing members, please check your address label and submit the
> requested dues, if any, or $20 annual dues to the address above.

you can be sure that your membership will have expired before you see another
issue of the AW.

2 issues in 3 years?
i'd stop shilling for new suckers, er, club members before you have proven to
be a club and not a ponzi scheme.

Arthur M. Marker
1965 IIA 109 "Green Rover"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 10:45:15 EST
Subject: Re[3]: B.G.R.s

>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again????

You tryin' to get my goat?

DB

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:41:12 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound (not)

Are you going to wait? 
Stand to your land-roverish principles. In 3 years I would go crazy.
As I said before, maybe this is just part of the adventure.
Good luck, I know you'll need it, the same as I.

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:28:46 +0200
Subject: 2 questions

Because I didn't get a reply, I'll post this again:
1) I have a lot of vibrations in the high/low selector (the one with the red 
knob) if I'm driving more than 70 km/h. Something wrong ? Something easy to 
repair or do I have to live with it ?
2) My speedo died 2 months ago. It is still counting the number of miles 
(km's) but the needle is'nt moving anymore. Can a speedo be repaired or do I 
need a new one ? Is a 24 V speedo the same as a 12 V one (except for the 
light bulb)

Philippe Carchon
Ghent, Belgium
'80 FFR lightweight.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: Re: 2 questions

>1) I have a lot of vibrations in the high/low selector (the one with the
>red
>knob) if I'm driving more than 70 km/h. Something wrong ? Something easy

Yes, you're driving more than 70km/h!   :-)
Probably nothing serious. Probably a detent or something. Or perhaps it
just needs tightening up?
There's  also a clip/spring/thing which fits in the ball for the Hi-Lo
lever.  Bet you've lost this too. Whether it makes much difference...

Just wobble things around to find where the "slack" is...

>to repair or do I have to live with it ?

>2) My speedo died 2 months ago. It is still counting the number of miles
>(km's) but the needle is'nt moving anymore. Can a speedo be repaired or do
>I
>need a new one ? Is a 24 V speedo the same as a 12 V one (except for the
>light bulb)
Yes, they're the same except for the MES bulbs. MES can be got pretty much
anywhere. They just pull out.  Well, they need a little levering, but its a
push fit.
If you have 7.50x16 tyres, I have a "suspect" speedo from a 109" going
spare...
(I haven't seen it work, but then it turns out both cables it has been
connected to have broken - whether they were broken anyway, or whether the
speedo broke them, is unknown...)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:20:00 -0400
Subject: Lost LROs

The following addresses caused a bounce when I sent a new BBlist (Yes, at
last)
If you see this let me know your current Email address.

Matthew Loxton
from the-AOL Postmaster
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<Thouge@aol.com>
<SACME@aol.com>
<PDoncaster@aol.com>
<LRDEFNDR3@aol.com>
<JSanc41804@aol.com>
<ASFCO@aol.com>
<Frederick_o_ellsworth@bcsmac.org>... Host unknown
<gwsmith@selu.edu>... User unknown
<harincar@mooregs.com>... User unknown
 <jimmyp@netcom.com>... User unknown
 <mjcatlin@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>... User unknown
 <wrm@gateway.ccii.co.za>... Host unknown
 <rvirzi@gte.com>...

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:34:18 -0500
Subject: RE: Lost LROs

What is this BBlist thing?

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Landrover Sales / Dealers in Tanzania, East Africa

Anyone helping Todd, please reply directly....
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Todd Davey <katod@ludin.com.au> writes:

Dear Sir/Madam

I am relocating to Tanzania in East Africa in the next few months.
I currently own a Landrover Discovery and wish to buy a new one upon my
arrival in Tanzania. I am hoping you have a dealer somewhere in the
country. If not could you please supply the location of the closest
dealer to Tanzania.

Regards

Todd J Davey
Kalgoorlie
Western Australia

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From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:49 +0100
Subject: Re:  RR corrosion query...

You may also want to check out http://www.por15.com for some more permanent
solutions. I've long heard good things about POR-15 and am using it by the
gallon in my series resto. Good luck!

-joseph
knoxville,tn

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

Hi All -
	I posted a reply a day or so ago about heaters, and the one I
bought. I am just a pleased customer - typical disclaimers apply.
	Anyway, I think any of you who don't want to freeze your butt off
this winter might want to give these people a call, they make great heaters:

	Maradyne Mobile Products
	6501 Barberton Ave.
	Cleveland Ohio, 44102
	Phone 216-281-7810
	Fax 216-281-2077

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:11:06 -0500
Subject: POR 15 anti rust product

I checked out this stuff on their internet site.  It seems to work
miracles.  Does anyone on the list have any experience with this stuff or
is it a waste of money.

Steve Fullwood
61' SII 88" basic

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:09:03 -0500
Subject: POR 15 anti rust product

>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU> writes:

    Steve> I checked out this stuff on their internet site.
    Steve> It seems to work miracles.  Does anyone on the list
    Steve> have any experience with this stuff or is it a
    Steve> waste of money.

I've used it.  It's really nice, but.
Here's what I've learned in a nutshell.

1) They mean it when they say it's UV sensitive.
   It discolours quickly in sunlight if not overcoated.
2) Either paint it on prepped bare metal or brushed
   rust.  It won't stick to primers or other paint
   very well.
3) It's _rock_ hard.  Sanding it after it cures is a
   stone b*tch.
4) Extra coats must go on before it cures or you have to
   wait, scuff it, and put the new coat on.
5) Pour out only what you use, cling-wrap the storage
   container and optionally store upside down if you're
   storing it long-term.  It does harden in storage and 
   with contact to air, so you don't want to pour out
   more than you are going to use.
6) Use disposable brushes or they will be.

In general, follow their instructions and it works like a
champ as far as my experience goes.
							-MM

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

At 09:10 AM 5/27/98 EDT, Arthur M. Marker <GreenRovr@aol.com> wrote:
:>Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> wrote:
:> To join LROA and receive the latest AW and Association decal please send
:> $20 annual dues, your name, address, email address, and year and model
:> of Land Rovers you own to--
:> Existing members, please check your address label and submit the
:> requested dues, if any, or $20 annual dues to the address above.
:
:you can be sure that your membership will have expired before you see
:another issue of the AW.
:
:2 issues in 3 years?
:i'd stop shilling for new suckers, er, club members before you have
:proven to be a club and not a ponzi scheme.

 Mr Marker,

 You are not and never have been a member of LROA, as such you are
 not endowed with the insight to properly comment on the Association.

 In spite of tumultuous changes, LROA published 7 issues of the AW
 newsmagazine in the last 3-1/2 years.  This works out to 2 AW's per
 year.  Sorry you only managed to "borrow" 2 issues in 3 years, we
 hope you enjoyed them.

 The LROA has historically extended memberships to keep pace with
 the production of AW news magazines, and continues to do so.

 LROA asks members for dues to belong to the Association, we do not
 sell magazines.  The AW is one of the benefits of belonging to the
 LROA.  Another benefit is the privilege of volunteering to submit
 articles, photos, and other talents of interest and benefit to fellow
 Land Rover owners in North America for inclusion in the Aluminum
 Workhorse.  Obviously you either lack these skills or have nothing
 positively to contribute that is of interest to Land Rover owners.

 LROA has no apologies to make to you or to cater to your perception
 of what a Land Rover club should be.  The Association has been in
 existence for near 15 years and brought fellowship to 2,000 members.
 What have you done for us lately?

 Regards,

-Michael Carradine
 President LROA

 Tel/Fax 925-988-0900

 LROA Member Services                           Annual dues still 
 PO Box 430                                     only $20
 Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:48:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re[3]: B.G.R.s

>>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again????
>You tryin' to get my goat?
>DB

Everytime I see your goat she has a very terrified look on her face.  Why
is this?

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Date: 	Wed, 27 May 1998 08:06:35 -1000
Subject: LR logos - Hawaiian

To really confuse people, make a sticker that reads:

Land Rover kalaka no ka oi! 

English translation: Land Rover trucks are the best!

Aloha,
-- 
Wayne R. Haight
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:01:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!! 

In message <199805271935.MAA09431@pop.thegrid.net>you write:

>  LROA asks members for dues to belong to the Association, we do not
>  sell magazines.  The AW is one of the benefits of belonging to the
>  LROA.  

	But unless you happen to live in California, particularly near
the Bay Area, all you get is a sporatic magazine.

>  In spite of tumultuous changes, LROA published 7 issues of the AW
>  newsmagazine in the last 3-1/2 years.  This works out to 2 AW's per
>  year.  Sorry you only managed to "borrow" 2 issues in 3 years, we
>  hope you enjoyed them.

  and

>  LROA Member Services                           Annual dues still 
>  PO Box 430                                     only $20
>  Walnut Creek, CA 94597

	Which at your stated publication rate works out to be approximately 
$10 per 20 or 30 page issue.  That costs more per issue (with less content 
and fewer pictures) than an issue of LRO or LRW magazine off the newstand
at Barnes & Noble.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:10:23 EDT
Subject: Re:  LR logos - Hawaiian

In a message dated 5/27/98 5:00:21 PM, you wrote:

>To really confuse people, make a sticker that reads:
>Land Rover kalaka no ka oi! 
>English translation: Land Rover trucks are the best!

*Land Rover kalaka no ka oi!*

And I just thought it was taken from the sound of a *Diesel Engine Shutting
Down...*  ;-)

--pat.
klacka-klacka-klacka...  pffft.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 17:16:20 EST
Subject: Re[4]: B.G.R.s

>>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again???? 
>You tryin' to get my goat?
>DB

>.Everytime I see your goat she has a very terrified look on her face.  
>Why is this?

that's no goat man, that's your mother. 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:27:53 EDT
Subject: Re[4]: B.G.R.s

In a message dated 5/27/98 5:21:52 PM, you wrote:

>>>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again???? 
>>You tryin' to get my goat?
>>DB
>>.Everytime I see your goat she has a very terrified look on her face.  
>>Why is this?

>that's no goat man, that's your mother.

Hey, now... *my goat* resents that association being made...

<chewing tin can noises>

goatta-go-now, see y'all later...

--pat.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:52:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Lost LROs

In a message dated 27/05/98  17:25:51, you write:

<< If you see this let me know your current Email address.
  >>

mine's at the top, wot d'you want it for?

best cheers

Frank

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 17:53:11 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

On Mr. Marker's behalf

 >You are not and never have been a member of LROA, as such you are 
 >not endowed with the insight to properly comment on the  
 >Association.
 . 
we see what goes on without being members. I have decided not to become a 
member because of the things I have heard about through this list and current 
members.

 >In spite of tumultuous changes, LROA published 7 issues of the AW 
 >newsmagazine in the last 3-1/2 years.  This works out to 2 AW's per 
 >year.  Sorry you only managed to "borrow" 2 issues in 3 years, we 
 >hope you enjoyed them.

 I've borrowed one. not bad actually. As for seven isssues in 3.5 years, 
 those aren't figures I would be bragging about.
 >
 > we do not sell magazines.  The AW is one of the benefits of belonging 
 >to the LROA.  Another benefit is the privilege of volunteering to 
 >submit articles, photos, and other talents of interest and benefit 
 snip
 >for inclusion in the Aluminum Workhorse.  Obviously you either lack 
 >these skills or have nothing positively to contribute that is of 
 >interest to Land Rover owners.

Ouch!
 So, simply put, what you're saying is, the AW is one benefit, and 
 being allowed to contribute is the other? That aint much of an 
 offering if you ask me. What about events? I wouldn't be able to 
 participate in most of them since they would likely be out west. So 
 the only real benefit I could expect to derive would be the AW. 
 Wether its getting it in the mail or contributing to it, it is still 
 one main selling point. So I would say that you ARE INDEED selling 
 magaziness. As far as contributions to the magazine, isn't there 
 some kind of shortage of material? Wonder why? Most of us would 
 rahter contribute to an actual *publication* (i.e. something that is 
 actually published) and we do. So it is not a lack of skill and it 
 is not the worng attittude. it is just a sincere distaste for 
 everything that has happened with the AW and a desire to see my 
 writing and photographs in print. After reading the attacks that you 
 have levied in responce to mr. Marker, I cannot imagine that you 
 have interested him or anyone else that read these comments in 
 becoming a member of LROA. better work on the marketing skills there 
 boy.
 The customer is always right. Charge membership and not come through 
 on the goodies? its GOING TO follow you like piss down a slide. 
 You'd best get used to it. So there have been changes? Great! Lets 
 ee if the AW will redeem its soiled reputation. But you have no 
 right to get pissed when you are rmeinded of your performance 
 history. I don't care whose fault it is either, its the NAME that 
 sticks.
 >
>LROA has no apologies to make to you or to cater to your perception of what a 
>Land Rover club should be.  The Association has been in existence for near 15 
>years and brought fellowship to 2,000 members. 

Here's my perception, wether you like it or not.
It seems to me that LROA is a huge overgrown behemoth that can't move out from 
under itself. It probably seemed like a great idea at its inception 15 years 
ago. 15 years ago, things were a bit different on the LR scene. 

"Oh yes, lets start a club for the whole country" 
"Say, what a wonderful idea." 
"Well guv'nor its just too much ground to cover". 
"Surely we will have local chapters." 
"Alright then, but who will govern those chapters and why don't they just 
become their own club?"

Hmmmmmm....
>LROA has no apologies to make to you or to cater to your perception of what a 
 What benefit does *anybody* derive from belonging to LROA? I just don't see 
it. There are so many local clubs now that there really is no fathomable reason 
for one group to try to represent the whole country. Except to put out a 
maggazine, and you can't even seem to do that right.

Now, an association of *clubs*, there is an idea... 

later

Dave Bobeck
Arlington VA
Land Rovers, Vintage Volvos and other things I don't know about yet.

"right of way is not a law, its merely a matter of weight" 
 

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

This has turned into a urination contest. There is no point to be debated.
Take it elsewhere, please.

        Jim Allen

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From: "LEPRINCE Didier" <leprince@outremer.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:42:27 -0400
Subject: Whining sound

Hello Dave
Have you tried to put the whining object under the driver seat (Left hand
Drive) to see if it improves the quietness of the landrover. (Landrover
provided this special room for that sort of test).
I feel very concerned about your problem because i sometimes heard that
sort of sound from ahead and a short time after from under my landrover,
but happily, it never lasted a long time.
Good luck
Didier LEPRINCE
Série II A and Defender 90
Martinique

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:22:56 EDT
Subject: Wiring Harness Help

Could somebody give me the tele# of the wiring harness place in (I think)
Illinois?                       

 Seems someone decided they needed my brand new harness more than I do, so
they stole it right out of my barn.  Nice.  What's a couple hundred bucks
between friends.  My wife sold her horse saddle so she could buy me that
wiring harness last Christmas, too, so it had sentimental value.  Damn.

John Kwasnik
Sherburne NY

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:26:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Help

On Wed, 27 May 1998 JKwas61947@aol.com wrote:

> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Wiring Harness Help
> Could somebody give me the tele# of the wiring harness place in (I think)
> Illinois?                       
>  Seems someone decided they needed my brand new harness more than I do, so

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> John Kwasnik
> Sherburne NY

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:27:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Help

On Wed, 27 May 1998 JKwas61947@aol.com wrote:

> Could somebody give me the tele# of the wiring harness place in (I think)
> Illinois?                       

British Wiring Inc. 

       Olympia Fields, Illinois, USA, 
       Telephone: 708-481-9050

david

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:32:55 EDT
Subject: Re:  Wiring Harness Help

In a message dated 5/27/98 7:25:06 PM, you wrote:

>Seems someone decided they needed my brand new harness more than I do, so
>they stole it right out of my barn.  Nice.
 
What?! They took a LR wiring harness? For what, their in-need-of-a-grave
Pinto? Hmmm... a bit of sniffin' around ought to uncover it, it seems.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:45:45 EDT

Yada yada yada... $20 please... yada yada yada... where's my magazine... yada
yada yada... wait a few months... yada yada yada... grow old... aaargh.

Jim Allen has the right idea, take it outside (again). It'll likely degenerate
into a *flaming-urination-contest*...  whoever's side you're on, it probably
makes the overseas members giggle (yeah, we know they *giggle* in Canada...)
to see us bicker like this over so little...

I was going to comment, I was going to renew, I was going to send in the
*dues*...

I think I'll go get some sushi instead. Or some good oil for the truck, now
there's a benefit.

--pat.

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From: "LEPRINCE Didier" <leprince@outremer.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:47:56 -0400
Subject: du choix de la langue

Chers utilisateurs ou devrais-je dire restaurateurs de LandRover, j'ai
beaucoup de plaisir depuis plusieurs mois à lire vos articles, mais avec
une seule petite restriction, pourquoi sont ils toujours en anglais ?
Sorry, it was a joke !
Another big problem for me is the cooling of the inside of the car. People,
I dont know why, always talk about heating. May be I was lucky, but my
série II A has a very good heating by the floor. The real problem is the
cooling of the round the car air. Does anybody have a solution ? 

Didier LEPRINCE
Morne Poirier
97220 TRINITE
MARTINIQUE
                                          ___ 
                                      _ /_/\ _\ _
         +--+--+   	         _ / _/        \_  \_                 __
         |[___]|_\___   _ /  _/              \_   \_       ___]|_\___
         | ___|"__|_ | /   _/                     \_    \_ | ___|"__|_ | 
_____"(o)""""(o)"___/                            \_  __"(o)""""(o)"______

      DEFENDER 90 96                                 LAND 88 1968

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:01:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[3]: B.G.R.s

In a message dated 27/05/98  21:52:16, you write:

<< >>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again????
 >You tryin' to get my goat?
 >DB
 
 Everytime I see your goat she has a very terrified look on her face.  Why
 is this? >>

You Colonials are very strange, what's wrong with sheep, they're good enough
for us in the old country.

baaaast cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:01:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

In a message dated 27/05/98  22:04:27, you write:

           >>       "If I were running such a contest, I would
          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
               involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
      can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie >>

Ben,
don't sell yourself short! Hold out for the whole can (what the hell is Jolt
anyway? we dont get it in the UK - but hold out for the whole can my son)

best cheers

Frank

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:03:58 EDT
Subject: Re:  du choix de la longue/keeping it cool

In a message dated 5/27/98 7:53:28 PM, you wrote:

>pourquoi sont ils toujours en anglais ?
I thought we yanks solved that common-language thing when we got the french to
say "le weekend"...

>Another big problem for me is the cooling of the inside of the car. People,
>I dont know why, always talk about heating. May be I was lucky, but my
>série II A has a very good heating by the floor. The real problem is the
>cooling of the round the car air. Does anybody have a solution ?

Yup. Turn on the air conditioning ;-) Some people on the list have mentioned
coatings ala (there's french for you) pick-up truck beds. I'm driving over to
a place that does that next week to see how much insulating it will give me. I
toast the soles of my feet on long drives in texas summers (doesn't help to
have a V8's catalytics right there too). Maybe where you are, you can just
take the doors off? Some islands are lax like that...

--pat.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:51:36 EDT
Subject: Re: LR chat

>Whatza "java applet"???
Nothing that will be found on my computer!

There are a few of us who appreciate and use old stuff, like old Land Rovers
and old computers running AOL for DOS.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile
& other old stuff

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 18:01:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Heater Options - Maradyne Products

>	I posted a reply a day or so ago about heaters, and the one I
>bought. I am just a pleased customer - typical disclaimers apply.
>	Anyway, I think any of you who don't want to freeze your butt off
;>this winter might want to give these people a call, they make great 
heaters:
;
>	Maradyne Mobile Products
>	6501 Barberton Ave.
;>	Cleveland Ohio, 44102
>	Phone 216-281-7810
;>	Fax 216-281-2077
;

What kinds of heaters do they make??? Propane?  Very small propane 
suitable for a LR rear interior??

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 18:01:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

Please folks.

Take your fight off line.

P - L - E - A - S - E

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 18:13:23 -0700
Subject: Re: LR chat

>There are a few of us who appreciate and use old stuff, like old Land Rovers
>and old computers running AOL for DOS.

Old computers running AOL for DOS??  Gosh that's publically admitting 
that you are into pain for fun.  

It's bad enough that some people admit to running Intel Pentium II snails 
with imitation system software that is "almost as good" as the real 
system software.

Opps sorry.  I guess you can take the Evangelist off the payroll but it 
you can't divorce the Evangelist from her religion.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I belong to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:13:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

> Ben,
> don't sell yourself short! Hold out for the whole can (what the hell is Jolt
> anyway? we dont get it in the UK - but hold out for the whole can my son)

Jolt is the hardest of soft drinks is almost 200% cafine. sorta like
Coka Cola  without the Cola. If coffee keeps you awake at night this
stuff will get you out of the grave.
    John and Muddy

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:19:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re[3]: B.G.R.s

>In a message dated 27/05/98  21:52:16, you write:
><< >>>>Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again????
> >You tryin' to get my goat?
> >DB
> Everytime I see your goat she has a very terrified look on her face.  Why
> is this? >>

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>You Colonials are very strange, what's wrong with sheep, they're good enough
>for us in the old country.

Sheep are both too smart and too fast for Mr.Bobeck.   He does however have
a goat that will take a step backwards when he whistles.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:46:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

john cranfield mused:
> Jolt is the hardest of soft drinks is almost 200% cafine. sorta like
> Coka Cola  without the Cola. If coffee keeps you awake at night this
> stuff will get you out of the grave..
I had a six pack of the stuff sent to me from out West. Now if I could 
get the stuff around here, I could cut back to about 10 cups of Tim 
Hortons ( another Canadian tradition--sorry yanks ) and have my six pack 
a day. BTW, it doesn't bother the twitch in my left eye nor the 
contribute to my urge of running around the yard a few times at 3:00 AM!
It doesn't even make me giggle.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:00:47 -0700
Subject: Re: 

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> Jim Allen has the right idea, take it outside (again).

I agree ...

Although it's sad to see a tradition die off :)

Jeremy

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From: Alessandro Castellana <kastel@tor.it>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:33:03 +0200
Subject: electrical problem

Hi all,
I get a strange problem in my SIII '78  88" diesel , sometimes when I
normally run the water temperature gauce and the fuel gauce show , for a
few minutes, a value less than in reality ( for instance with the fuel tank
full the gauce shows half or the water temperature when the engine runs
since a few hours shows cold). when I have this problem no warning lamp
lights. The question is: what's happened?
I have an idea: does the alternator fail (renewal the brushes)?
thanks

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Alessandro Castellana
kastel@tor.it
Italy
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:43:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

In a message dated 28/05/98  02:16:20, you write:

<< Jolt is the hardest of soft drinks is almost 200% cafine. sorta like
 Coka Cola  without the Cola. If coffee keeps you awake at night this
 stuff will get you out of the grave.
     John and Muddy >>

Thanx u. How the other half do live!

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:43:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Whining sound

In a message dated 27/05/98  23:48:59, you write:

<< I feel very concerned about your problem because i sometimes heard that
 sort of sound from ahead and a short time after from under my landrover,
 b >>

Didier,
 a warning.

Long, thin pieces of material or fabric can cause damage to your vehicle
mechanics if they wrap around brake lines, propshafts etc.
 After hearing that whine underneath please make sure that you look underneath
to remove all fabric - also wash blood off.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:43:56 EDT
Subject: Re: LR chat

In a message dated 28/05/98  01:54:30, you write:

<< There are a few of us who appreciate and use old stuff, like old Land
Rovers
 and old computers running AOL for DOS. >>

Paul,
one of my pet moans. Why do people who are happy with cart springs and 2.25s
need to own a Ferrari when it comes to computers?
Plenty of life left in the old ones yet.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:43:55 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 28/05/98  00:48:20, you write:

<< it probably
 makes the overseas members giggle  >>

it might have, a bit, but we've got problems of our own (UK). Wanna debate the
rule book ?
 It's all just Land Rovering.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:53:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

In a message dated 28/05/98  02:59:30, you write:

<< > Jolt is the hardest of soft drinks is almost 200% cafine. sorta like
 > Coka Cola  without the Cola. If coffee keeps you awake at night this
 > stuff will get you out of the grave..
 I had a six pack of the stuff sent to me from out West. Now if I could 
 get the stuff around here, I could cut back to about 10 cups of Tim 
 Hortons ( another Canadian tradition--sorry yanks ) and have my six pack 
 a day. BTW, it doesn't bother the twitch in my left eye nor the 
 contribute to my urge of running around the yard a few times at 3:00 AM!
 It doesn't even make me giggle. >>

sitting here recuperating from my third MI I think I'd give it a miss even if
we could get it in the UK

best cheers

Frank

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Thu, 28 May 1998 08:59:52 +0200
Subject: Re: Whining sound

At 02:43 1998-05-28 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 27/05/98  23:48:59, you write:
><< I feel very concerned about your problem because i sometimes heard that
> sort of sound from ahead and a short time after from under my landrover,
> b >>
>Didier,
> a warning.

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>mechanics if they wrap around brake lines, propshafts etc.
> After hearing that whine underneath please make sure that you look
underneath
>to remove all fabric - also wash blood off.
>best cheers
>Frank
> b >>
>Didier,

So, that might be my problem. I just assumed it was one of the gearboxes...
I must go out and check under my LR to see what is hanging there. Does this
mean the whining will go away soon?  It has been there for weeks and starts
to be annoying.

Peter
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
--------------------------------------

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:53 +0100
Subject: Re: Credit for AW - WARNING!!!!

>Ben,
>don't sell yourself short! Hold out for the whole can (what the hell is
>Jolt
>anyway? we dont get it in the UK - but hold out for the whole can my son)
You can (pun intended) - my brother managed to get a whole case of it.
Gawd knows why.
It used to have a cult following amongst computer techies/programmers.

Cola with more caffeine than water is a rough description.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:32:50 -1000
Subject: Re: electrical problem

Check all the connections, hot and ground for your gauges and make sure all
of the grounds and hot leads at the dash connections are good.  Also check
all of the grounds at the sender side.  Clean and secure anything that looks
loose or dirty and then see what happens.  Do this before you start
replacing things that could get exspensive.

Roy  Rovers in the Rockies

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From: "Dr R.D.Thomson" <rthomson@mech.gla.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:36:52 +0100
Subject: Re: 2 questions

At 05:28 PM 5/27/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Because I didn't get a reply, I'll post this again:
>1) I have a lot of vibrations in the high/low selector (the one with the red 
>knob) if I'm driving more than 70 km/h. Something wrong ? Something easy to 
>repair or do I have to live with it ?

It's probably just some slack in the linkage down to the gearbox.   Most
people I know have a large elastic band placed across the high/low selector
and the 4WD selector, just to damp out the rattle.

Regards,

Ron
http://www.mech.gla.ac.uk/~rthomson/guslrc

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