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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:06:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Tight fit in the swivvel balls

Steve Mace wrote:
> > railco bush into the swivel ball? I nearly ruined mine with banging and
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> > there must be an easier way?
> > Adrian Redmond
> When I did both my swivels last summer I used a block of wood
> and a large hammer. I did very carefully make sure that the bearing

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> -------------------------------------
>FWIW...  one of mine went in with a hammer and a block of wood, the other had 
to be pressed in at the local machine shop
Rgds
Steve

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 8:17:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Boring, Maryland, USA

Gracing Boring with the title of 'town' would be generous. It's more like 
a crossroads. Cal Ripken, the Baltimore Orioles hero lives nearby...( you 
can't miss his house, it's bigger than Boring itself). All this is in 
what's generally referrred to as Maryland's hunt country....the landed 
gentry and all that. Good motorcycling area, if you mind the road apples.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Ian Otty <imo@kerridge.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 13:23:54 BST
Subject: re:Disk brakes for series LR

Folks,

I have tried this route and although it is possible I found it cheaper to just 
buy a new coil sprung chassis instead. I did investigate thru 'Surrey Off Road' 
fitting Range Rover axles to my old 88" chassis but it is more difficult than 
it sounds. 
The steering drop arms, geometry etc are all different. If your chassis is not 
in perfect condition save up and buy a galvanized one (coil sprung) from 
Designa chassis. 

A new coil sprung chassis, a pair of late defender axles and panhard rods etc 
(disk braked front & rear) works out at 1800 UK pounds.(to build yourself)

The cost to convert my old chassis was the much the same - although I can't 
weld to the standard required so a large chunk of that cost was for welding & 
transport of my chassis to the workshop.

Late defender axles or Range Rover are about £250+ each for good used ones and 
add to that the other parts required plus delivery and it soon adds up!

Good luck either way.

Ian
SWB V8 hybrid

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:31:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Boring, Maryland, USA

In a message dated 5/26/98 8:27:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badams@usia.gov
writes:

<< Gracing Boring with the title of 'town' would be generous. It's more like 
 a crossroads. Cal Ripken, the Baltimore Orioles hero lives nearby...( you 
 can't miss his house, it's bigger than Boring itself).  >>

And larger budget by about 10 fold than Boring.  However, we do have the
antique tractor pull...an event not to be missed.

Nate

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:43:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

GOOD LUCK!!!  SAFE TRIP!!!  BTW,  of course you're crazy.  Join the club.
Besides, "normal" is BORING!!!  Have fun.
(We're planning to do New York to Fairbanks in a year or two & we know we're
crazy!)    ;-)

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
(66 109 - Waiting for it to be finished)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:42:46 EDT
Subject: Re:  RR corrosion query...

I'm not much of a corrosion expert, but my approach is to keep moisture-traps
to a minimum, thus trying to prevent one of corrosion's best friends from
being present...

In a message dated 5/25/98 7:03:02 PM, you wrote:

>Out came the carpets, the foam-cell rubber mats and the rubber
>footwell mat too.

And out they should stay too, if your car gets water or mud in it on a regular
basis. It does have a *Land Rover* badge on it somewhere, right ;-)... so it
won't look half odd without carpeting. 

I've found the OEM LR foam-cell-backed mats to be terrible. Terrible moisture
traps, too. One may as well put wet sponges under the seats for the same
effect, but cheaper. The rubber ones they sell with the tire tread pattern may
not look as nice (or be as plush, but we already know you aren't worried about
that, being on *this* list), but they work well at holding on to the mud and
drips that come off your shoes, and are non-absorbent. It would be nice if RRs
had a form-fit (shaped) carpet that could be removed prior to off-roading, and
replaced afterwards for beauty's sake, as they do look good with the wall-to-
wall shag in them... 

>There is quite a bit of corrosion that has me wondering what my logical
>next steps are to take.

Keep the moisture traps to a minimum; as above. Apply WD-40 liberally after
washing, wiping and vacuuming out the interior. I find that using the "probe-
attachment" on the vacuum helps suck water out of corners and crack-like
openings, then the WD-40 has a better chance of doing its thing. Then drive
around with the windows open, unless you are like my passengers; they're used
to the pleasant aroma of WD-40:-)

Someone on the list mentioned buying WD-40 in Gallon size; that's a handy
thing to have around. It works well at Water Displacing (WD), cleaning some
stuff and one can put some on hefty kitchen towels and wipe down interior
metal surfaces...

You may want to check that your door bottom drains are open & free of
obstruction. Open the door and (from the outside) aim a hose with a sprinkle-
type head on it at the window (like rain, eh) and see if the water comes out
the bottom quick enough. If you sense that you door is filling up, pry off the
panel and hava look. Incidentally, when my doors were closed (110), the bottom
seal was *outside* of the door drains, causing any rainwater that went into
the door to drip onto the (now removed) foam-cell mats. I'm working on a new
type of seal that seals inside the drip holes to let the water out...  If you
wade, check that the holes in the kick-panels are plugged and the ones with
wires, you can silicone to stop water pushing through.

good luck and hose it out!

--pat. 

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:47:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

In a message dated 5/26/98 8:45:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
drewteri@concentric.net writes:

<< Besides, "normal" is BORING!!! >>

Watch it!!!...Boring is kind of like "Green Rover"...we're very touchy about
who uses it and how.
:o)

Nate

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:57:49 EDT
Subject: Re:  RR corrosion query... but for *D* owners...

NAS Defenders will have the same problems that Slade's RR has if they don't
pay attention to the moisture that can get trapped in their carpets and
footwell mats. I first had problems with the OEM foam-backed mats when some
spare oil leaked out (of a bottle) in the back of mine. Soaked the mat.
Repeated washing with all sorts of oil-cutters, etc., couldn't get it all out.
It still had that slippery feel under there, and when rung out, an emulsion of
ooze still came out. Ugh! So that was chucked.

Next came the realization that when it rained, water came in (no surprise
here), but then it stayed in, due to the foam-backed footwell mats. I'd come
back to a tropical greenhouse looking truck. You know, fogged windows (without
the teenagers in it), strange looking poisonous mushrooms on the gearshift,
vines below the kick panels, oh those were wires... etc. So they went in the
dumpster. Got the LR rubber mats; wash & wear...
 
Then, the seat-box carpeting got wet. (before that, there was this steel strip
holding the seat box carpeting at the sides that gets scuffed by the door,
feet, etc., that had surface rust and did nothing but hold the carpet snug;
they both got pitched). The carpet came out. Just in time, too. One or two
rivets were starting to get dandruff (white powder on their heads). Actually,
all the carpeting came out. The cheap crap on the rear wheel boxes held lots
of water, the seatbox carpet held a good amount too, and at the bottom, where
it was very unwelcome!

So, now the 110 may not look as plush as the others (the *investments* out
there), it may be a tad bit noisier inside, but it certainly looks the part,
works better, dries faster, is easier to clean and feels more like a Land
Rover ought to. I urge NAS defender owners who get them muddy & wet, inside &
out, which is pretty much all of us on this list, to have a good look at the
mats and carpeting and what's going on beneath them. 

If anyone has foolproof & simple ways of preventing the moisture-trapped-in-
carpet sydrome, feel free to share with me and all of us.

--pat.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:05:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

the old Yellow Pages entry for Boring:

"Boring - See Civil Engineers"

They changed it last year though...

Richard

NADdMD@aol.com on 05/26/98 01:47:35 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Rover Pilgramage

In a message dated 5/26/98 8:45:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
drewteri@concentric.net writes:
<< Besides, "normal" is BORING!!! >>
Watch it!!!...Boring is kind of like "Green Rover"...we're very touchy
about
who uses it and how.
:o)
Nate

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:05:21 EDT
Subject: Re:  B.G.R.s

In a message dated 5/26/98 8:51:12 AM, you wrote:

><< Besides, "normal" is BORING!!! >>
>Watch it!!!...Boring is kind of like "Green Rover"...we're very touchy about
>who uses it and how.

ooooh... Boring Green Rovers... the ultimate in "Hunt Country" chic! 

It may even show up on LRNA's '99 RR color list: Boring Green (sort of a cross
between flat IRR & that seasick-ish Willow Green)

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:11:01 EDT
Subject: Re: LR chat

In a message dated 5/25/98 9:14:47 PM, you wrote:

>Whatza "java applet"???

The little apple-chunk you just sneezed up your throat, through your nose, and
into your coffee, (which you just sipped) that you are now chewing on again,
trying to figure out: "Whatza "java applet"??? before deciding to go out and
check you LR's oil (there's a chunk of content).

Goooood-Morning!

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:13:07 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Rover Pilgramage

In a message dated 5/26/98 9:04:02 AM, you wrote:

>the old Yellow Pages entry for Boring:

>"Boring - See Civil Engineers"

>They changed it last year though...

To what? See: Accountants? :-)

--pat.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs ?

>mine isn't noisy, it is the 2.5 turbo 4 cyl used in Iveco Turbo Daily/Fiat
>Ducatto/Renault Traffic
I have a dumb question to add to all of this. Where is the Iveco made? Just
wondering.  I've seen them used as you decribed in delivery trucks etc. and
it never crossed my mind as to where they came from.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:15:11 -0400
Subject: Re: B.G.R.s

Opps!!!  I guess I'll have to have her painted PINK!  Maybee I'll mount an
MG on top & show the hunt club some serious hunting.  BTW, did anybody out
there buy the Pink Military Hybrid.  We could get together for a Turkey
shoot!!!  ;-)  (Environmental Economy - If you shoot it, eat it!)

Drew Squires
66 109 (Not ready, or painted)
drewteri@concentric.net

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From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:27:11 +0200
Subject: Re: Whining sound (NOT! :-)

Hi all

My wife, Elmari, was badly bitten by a fatal bug during the 50th anniversary
tour here in South Africa. Ever since we came back she's been looking out
for a shortie... and she's found one. A 1956-ish 88 hard top / station wagon
with SIIA engine, overdrive, capstan winch, some oil leaks (obviously the
"deluxe" model), goes well, stops well, and *she* was asking *me* if she
could buy it... obviously I said NO, I don't have time to work on *another*
hunkajunk, but she managed to persuade me to allow her to buy it... life is
*so* *hard*, I tell ya... :-)

Wouter
1959 SII Yellow Station Wagon "Spikkels"
1956 SI BRG 88

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:53 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound (NOT! :-)

Lucky you. 
I have not yet bought mine, and my wife keeps complaining that I only talk 
about those "ugly" trucks all day.
I don't now what is going to happen when she will have to ride in it. (big 
change: from a Nissan maxima to a SII-SIII 88') 
Adventure is the fun part of life, I guess this is just part of the adventure!

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:14:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Visiting New York

Geoff - I take it that you mean NYC - Correct? I live in Ithaca - maybe 4
hrs. from the city - 6 in my LR  :  )  - Drop me an e-mail if your passing
through (which goes for anybody else too) Take Care - Peter

>Any one on the list is from New York (or lives near)
>I am going to visit New York next month and just for curiosity to check if
>there
>is someone there who drives landrovers.
>If he is not very far we can even meet!!
>Thanks
>Geoffrey Malta

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:43:51 +0100
Subject: RE: Re: Rover Pilgramage

^^>the old Yellow Pages entry for Boring:
^^>"Boring - See Civil Engineers"
^^>They changed it last year though...
^^To what? See: Accountants? :-)

when I was at uni (Imperial), it was a running joke that the civil engineers
graduated to become accountants....................

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:04:26 -0400
Subject: .. but for *D* owners...

I guess y'all will figger some day that no off-roader is worth owning 
that can't be cleaned out inside with the garden hose. Pfssssht!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Heater options

Art - I've been through the same problem you have - and also have a RHD. A
couple of things I did before I bought a heater were to just insulate it -
I bought some rubber backed carpeting for the floors and firewall (helps
with the noise too). I then went and did numerous web searches for
aftermarket heaters.
	There is one company in Texas that makes heaters and AC units for
classic cars - Vintage Air. I decided against this bc they would have been
awkward to install - and they took something like 13 amps - despite working
off the radiator.
	The best company I found makes heaters, fans and cab pressurizers
for industrial/commercial trucks. I bought one  - under 200$ and 5 max amps
- 20000btus. It is rectangular w dimensions of about 4x11x9.5. It uses hot
water from the engine. I mounted it in place of the center seat back and
ran the hoses and wire throught the seatbox under the car and into the
engine bay. The air is sucked into the front and is blown out towards the
driver and passenger - which tended to bake us even when it was cold.
	So, I made some Al deflectors which directed the air towards the
winshield - hence my defrost system (along with some antifog stuff). The
company is in Ohio (maybe Cleveland), and has distrubutors across the
country - Maradyne Inc.
	Anyway, these work great. They have a number of other models - from
15000btu to 40k+ btus and ranging in amperage requirements from 1.5 amps to
16 amps. The other model I liked was a cube of about 10ins. It had holes
for heater defrost tubes for the windows! This was also a 20kbtu unit - but
I couldn't find a nice place to put it. I have removed my heater for the
summer months - and plan on buying one of their fans.
	Let me know if you want more info. I think this is the only way to
go - unless you want to play around with a propane or butane unit - but
then you have to worry about a whole other set of problems. You really
should give them a call and look over their catalog - and that goes for all
the rover lovers who freeze their @$# off in the winter! Cheers - Peter (PS
- Let me know if you want to sell your Smith's.)

>Hi all; I can hear you thinking "it's summer, why is this stupid twit asking =
>about heaters?" I've downloaded the archives, and was reading the May 95
>messages >about = the Mansfield heater and I got a Brainstorm (boy,did
>that hurt!!). The =
>"beast" is RHD and the heater is the old round Smiths. My passengers are =
>happy, but very little of the heat makes it over to my side. The idea I =
>had was to mount a piece of 1/2" Plywood into where the heater flaps =
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>Beast" for next winter!!!
>Art Bitterman

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:50:35 -0700
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

TeriAnn-

  I have been meaning to give you an update, but just to pipe in here. 
Timm Cooper installed a Chevy 283 into my 1969 88", and it's a great fit 
with room. And it has a good amount of power. On a recent caravan with 
Timm at the wheel, we passed the Defender 90's with ease and watched them 
dwindle away. 

--Jason Carroll

On 5/21/98 6:56 PM , TeriAnn Wakeman wrote-

>>And a V8 owner pips in with a vote for the Land Rover TDI300 engine, in
>>anything smaller (lighter) than a loaded 110*. In an empty 90 with no roof,
>>they pull and threaten to fly...
>;
>;>y'all can keep the Ford, VM, GM, AM/FM or whatever engines, but this 
>time
>;>around (IMHO) it seems LR is putting out a better engine than the 
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>Besides the FI V8 is hydrophobic and way too complicated for a simple 
>person like me to work on.

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From: William Dan Terry <wterry@netpubsintl.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:13:43 -0600
Subject: last ditch effort: For Sale

1966 IIA 109 military hardtop

Over $18k spent, will take $9.8k at this point. Need to sell fast.

wterry@netpubsintl.com.

Fort Collins, CO, USA

~6k miles on RN trans w/ OD, new HC head, front axle rebuild (new swivel
balls, bearings...), new Zenith carb w/ selection of jets, new
suspension springs, new alternator, rebuilt starter, brakes (new master
cyl, wheel cyl, lines, shoes, drums), clutch (new master and slave), new
tires, new seats, new front prop shaft, new front splash panels, one new
fuel tank (other is original?), Def rear fog and backup lamps, new front
exhaust pipe, new anti-burst door latches w/ keys, passenger side-step,
seatbelt pickups for full shoulder retractables and more.

Peace, William

_______W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y_______
  How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things?
  (David Brin)

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:22:50 EDT
Subject: Re: LR chat

In a message dated 26/05/98  02:14:47, you write:

<<  aol people don't have the right stuff? >>

'ere, wots your game? all my stuff's in the right place, coff coff :-)>

best cheers

Frank

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:04:16 -1000
Subject: Re: Rover Pilgramage

Bren,  I have been out lunch on the list lately.  I am in Helena, MT  if you
have time on your way by or need help give me a call.  406.442.1804.  Would
ennoy a short lunch break with you or what ever you have time for.  Plus if
you need a place to camp or a hot shower let me know.

Roy Caldwell  Rovers in the Rockies
1539 Laurel St.
Helean, MT

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:53 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound (NOT! :-)

Lucky you. 
I have not yet bought mine, and my wife keeps complaining that I only talk 
about those "ugly" trucks all day.
I don't now what is going to happen when she will have to ride in it. (big 
change: from a Nissan maxima to a SII-SIII 88') 
Adventure is the fun part of life, I guess this is just part of the adventure!

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:37:40 EDT
Subject: Spark Plug Wire Website

To those who are interested:

I was surfing the net and ran across a company offering discounted plugwires
to LR owners (4cyl & V8, sorry nothing for diesel owners ;-) ). I've never
contacted the company, nor have I used them. 

www.magnecor.com 

Standard disclaimers & caveats...

--pat

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:59:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Credit for AW

At 11:03 AM 5/17/98, Mehdi Saghafi <msandcdg@slip.net> wrote:
>I have received a few e-mails complementing  me on the AW newsletter.
>Credit must go where its due.   That is not me.  Although I had
>volunteered to help, someone else put the newsletter together and edited
>it. ( A fine job at that too.  I thought it was a very good issue).

 Most of the credit for the Spring '98 AW goes to Brad Blevins who put
 together the vast majority of the material.  The AW staff including
 Ken Burge, Peter Newell, Barbara Red, Jim Red, and others reformatted
 the magazine to Windows Adobe Pagemaker, organized the advertising, and
 updated the Calendar, Marketplace, Club and Parts/Service listings, etc.
 John Benham, Daniel Oppenheim, Rob Harris, Ken Dallison, Jocelyn Watkin,
 Bill Burke, Bill Davis, Dave Hampson, Myles Murphy, Dirk Tisher, Granville
 Pool, Mark Ohno, and other LROA members and supporters wrote articles,
 sent photos and provided drawings.  Member clubs, such as the Flatland
 Rover Society and the Florida Land Rover Club, provided material to share
 with other Land Rover clubs around North America.  Our thanks to everyone!

 Although Medhi Saghafi volunteered as editor, he did not work on this issue,
 hopefully he will on the next one.  The AW is not a one person job and
 credit does not go to just one person.  The AW comes together a lot easier
 when each of the department writers and editors, advertisers, sponsors,
 members and Clubs in a team effort submit material for us all to enjoy.

 As always, LROA needs more volunteers to help with the Association and
 the Aluminum Workhorse newsmagazine.  Please continue to send us your
 articles, photos, tech tips, drawings, news items, suggestions, letters,
 Club calendar items, want ads, and anything else of interest to Land
 Rover owners.  Your fellow LROA members want to hear from YOU!

 Email your written material and scanned photos to <AW@landrover.net>
 or send your materials to-- 

 LROA/AW
 PO Box 430
 Walnut Creek, CA 94597

 To join LROA and receive the latest AW and Association decal please send
 $20 annual dues, your name, address, email address, and year and model
 of Land Rovers you own to--

 LROA Member Services
 PO Box 430
 Walnut Creek, CA 94597

 Existing members, please check your address label and submit the
 requested dues, if any, or $20 annual dues to the address above.

 Kind regards,

-Michael Carradine
 President LROA

 Tel/Fax 925-988-0900

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: LROA 50th Results?

At 08:47 PM 5/20/98 -0700, Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> wrote:
>Having been busy at the PNWTT I missed the Hollister 50th gathering.
>How did that go?

Captain Camo writes:
>:                    Headquarters
>:               Wild Idaho Rovers, Ltd.
>:Michael,
>:       Great job with organizing and executing the Hollister
>:Land Rover 50th Anniversary event!  Really enjoyed it - and
>:appreciate the work involved putting it together.  Also, nice
>:Aluminum Workhorse - good material - appropriate production
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>:               Gordon Kallio
>:               AKA - Captain Camo

 ALL of the credit for the 50th Bash at Hollister goes to Geoff Jackson
 who thought of the idea last year, volunteered as LROA Event Coordinator
 for the 50th Bash, reserved the campsites, organized the event, found
 local sponsors, coordinated volunteers, and ran an excellent event.  

 We had a very nice turnout, some vehicles traveling a ways to get here,
 other members flying in, lots of day trippers.  It was a bit nippy at
 first in the evenings, but very pleasant during the days.  Company was
 great, food catered by the Ministry of Food was great.  We had off-road
 driving lessons and a winching seminar, daily trail rides, a GPS course
 and field event, some Rovers being stuck and a VW Van really stuck.
 Evening videos, an awards ceremony, an auction, lots of checking out each
 others Rovers, and event t-shirts and hats on sale, vendor goody bags, and
 the Redwood City dealer selling LR Gear.  In all, a very pleasant weekend.

 Many thanks and our gratitude to the many sponsors and vendors, as well
 as the staff of the State of California State Vehicle Recreation Area at
 Hollister. Listed alphabetically, 

 British Bulldog Spares Ltd              British Car Magazine
 British Pacific Ltd                     Brittania Arms Pub, San Jose
 MG Industries, Mean Green Starter       Ministry of Food
 Off-Road Experience                     Max Tool, pioneer tools
 Redwood City Land Rover                 Rovers North
 Tyron Belts                             West Coast British
 Wise Owl Innovations

 Special thanks to numerous member volunteers, in particular Peter Newell,
 Reed Cotton, Trevor Bacolini, Barbara and Jim Red, Fred Stolar, Matthew
 Jackson, Dan and Penney Marks, and of course to Geoff Jackson who took on
 total responsibilty for the 50th Bash as LROA Event Coordinator.  A hearty
 cheer all around!

 Geoff managed to earn over $500 for the club, which was nipped to $460
 as Hollister raised it's camp fee last month.  We still have many t-shirts
 and hats for sale.  Hats are one size fits all for $8 ppd.  T's come in
 L, XL, and XXL in either tan or grey shirts at $12 ppd.  Send your checks
 to LROA Gear, PO Box 430, Walnut Creek, CA 94597.

 Best regards,

-Michael Carradine
 President LROA

 Tel/Fax 925-988-0900

 To join LROA and receive the latest AW and Association decal please send
 $20 annual dues, your name, address, email address, and year and model
 of Land Rovers you own to--

 LROA Member Services
 PO Box 430
 Walnut Creek, CA 94597

 Existing members, please check your address label and submit the
 requested dues, if any, or $20 annual dues to the address above.

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:20:55 -0700
Subject: Speedo Panel Resto

So, I am painting the interior of my 1969 IIa, and I am aiming for 
"decent" instead of "showroom" or "beater". I have stripped everything 
down and removed all dash panels except for the speedo cluster. I unscrew 
it, and looking at the rats nest of wires behind it makes my skin crawl. 
My gut reaction is to leave it for another time. Any one have any 
thoughts, hints, or curses? Any easy ways to loosen the switch covers? 
Thanks,

--Jason Carroll
  1969 Series IIa <V8>

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 13:29:13 -0700
Subject: Re:  B.G.R.s

;>><< Besides, "normal" is BORING!!! >>
;>>Watch it!!!...Boring is kind of like "Green Rover"...we're very touchy 
about
;>>who uses it and how.
;>ooooh... Boring Green Rovers... the ultimate in "Hunt Country" chic! 
;>

May I suggest....

going to the ANARC Land Rover 50th Anniversary celebration at Geek Peak 
NY  and find out for yourself just how boring The Green Rover really is?? 
 She may put you to sleep, but you will have a hard time ignoring this 
car.

The Green Rover will be set up in full expidition trim in the British 
Pacific booth, still wearing her Border to Border decals.  Drop by.  

If you can not make Geek Peak in NY, The Green Rover will be at the 
Portland Oregon All British Field meet on Labour day weekend and at the 
Palo Alto California All British Field meet the following Sunday.  

If you can not wait that long to see The ultimate in "Hunt Country" chic, 
head off to North Eastern Arizona in June and look in the Red Rock desert 
country.  She is easy to recognize.  Just look for the boring green 109 
two door in Dormobile long range expidition trim.

Check my web site for a preview of a boring Green Rover.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:42:00 EDT
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs ?

In a message dated 26/05/98  14:19:07, you write:

<< I have a dumb question to add to all of this. Where is the Iveco made? Just
 wondering.  I've seen them used as you decribed in delivery trucks etc. and
 it never crossed my mind as to where they came from.
  >>

not dumb at all....... but not easy to answer.
My 4 cyl engine was actually  designed (and the design is owned) by a company
called SOFIM (Society of French and Italian Manufacturers and guess who that's
a patnership between) ........and built in a bloody big factory in Italy with
the name FIAT on the front.

The Fiat Ducato Van,  is built in Italy, France and Germany. 
The Renault Traffic van is built in France.
The IVECO Turbo Daily truck is built in about a dozen countries and sold under
at least three company names and more model names depending on the country....
you could buy it as an IVECO, or as an IVECO-FORD or as a FORD.
Then, of course we move up to real big trucks............

best cheers

Frank

PS, hiya Russ/Leslie is the Fort Pitt Land Rover Group a good one?

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:42:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Whining sound (NOT! :-)

In a message dated 26/05/98  16:12:07, you write:

<< my wife keeps complaining that I only talk about those "ugly" trucks all
day. >>

I told my (first) wife that it was better than my talking to pretty women....
er... my second wife likes Land Rovers!!

best cheers

Frank

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 16:44:58 EST
Subject: Re[2]: B.G.R.s

re: Green Rover
 >She may put you to sleep, but you will have a hard time ignoring this 
>car.

Why, are you bringing the goats?

No matter, I probably won't sleep much anyway
See ya there
DaveB

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs ?

At 04:42 PM 5/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
>The IVECO Turbo Daily truck is built in about a dozen countries and sold under
>at least three company names and more model names depending on the country....
>you could buy it as an IVECO, or as an IVECO-FORD or as a FORD.
>Then, of course we move up to real big trucks............

 ...and here I thought Iveco was a Magirus-Deutz prodigy.

-Michael

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:56:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Credit for AW

well said. I've blown hot & cold on whether to renew with LROA, as I only
generally do that with clubs I have direct contact with, or whose events I
partake in; if the forthcoming issues have similar content, it'll be worth it.

--pat.

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Front seats

 
 I need front seats in my Series I. How about it, could anyone recommend a
 seat that would fit from the local scrap yard. The ones that I have tried
 are too big in the seat.  (ROO)
 

   Well "Mary", as the military seats were a bit uncomfortable (OK lousy)
in my 101, I took careful measurements, and ended up fitting Toyota 4Runner
to the front, a tight fit, but oh so comfy. And at 6'2", I can still worm 
my way in and out of the 101 cab, albeit with a few gymnastic contortions.
They should fit the S1. A shame the S1 is just not quite the caliber of the
101, why do you waste all your time with that P.O.S. Dave says it mostly just
sits, never actually moving under it's own power. I guess since it just sits,
that's your reason for needing better seats.

Rgds
 

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:38:23 -0500
Subject: Absolutely no LR content. Its just for fun.

But it seemed funny.
I just got this in my e-mail:

"...
In case you missed the article, someone found a condom in a
  McDonald's hamburger last week.
   
  Here's David Letterman's explanation...
   
  Top Ten List:  McDonald's excuses for the condom in the Big Mac
   
  10. We were test marketing the new "McTrojan".
  9. Condom, Condiment - what's the damn difference?
  8. It still tastes better than the Arch Deluxe.
  7. It was either there or in the vanilla shake.
  6. Turns out the rumors about Grimace and Mayor McCheese are true.
  5. We're experimenting with a new even happier Happy Meal.
  4. So what - a regular Big Mac is 60% latex anyway.
  3. Employees too embarrassed to say "Would you like condoms with
  that?"
  2. Drive-thru speaker was broken, so "Coke with lots of ice" sounded
  like "Prophylactic device"

  And Finally...
   
  1. When you're serving billions and billions, you can't be too careful.
..."

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:56:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Holding the brake drums on

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> These screws (given years of no service, no copper-grease, and a bit
> of
> bad luck, can easily become stuck - I know that from every LR which i

Try an impact driver with a proper size bit. The combination of turning
and driving will loosen most stubborn screws.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:24:18 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Impending journey

John,

I'd love to come to the rally, but I have to be in St. Louis for my best
friend's wedding that weekend.  Unfortunate, but the way things are.

Thanks, 
bill

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@oriongps.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:38:13 -0700
Subject: RE: Rover Pilgramage

As a land surveyor, I can vouch for this.

John Putnam
Orion GPS, Inc.
Forest Grove, OR
'70 SWB SIIa

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:02:56 EDT
Subject: Found my gearbox leak--solutions?

Hi all,

I found my source of leaking from the gearbox: one of the bolts which holds
the bellhousing to the gearbox is loose.  Now seeing as how I cannot tighten
this without sliding the gearbox out to reach the nut, my plan is to keep a
close eye on the oil level until I replace it with a rebuilt IIa box I'm
working on now (Probably will happen after Greek Peak)

Anyone see a significant problem with this plan?

Nate

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:36:56 EDT
Subject: Impending journey--duh!

Sorry everyone for that post for John that I mailed to all of you.

Bill

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:36:52 EDT
Subject:  Rover Pilgramage Spelling (No LR Content)

I let it slide the first 20 times I saw the subject, but I can't take it any
longer.  Pilgrimage.  Think Pilgrim + age.

Sorry for being a weenie,
Bill 

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 19:10:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Re[2]: B.G.R.s

;>re: Green Rover
;> >She may put you to sleep, but you will have a hard time ignoring this 
>>car.
;>Why, are you bringing the goats?
>>car.
No I sold the goats to afford Land ROver parts.  I can't even bring my 
Wolf Hound.  I'm bummed by the no dog rule.  

Does anyone know of a good kennel nearish to Geek peak where I can safely 
leave my wolfhound for a few days?????

The Green Rover seems to have become a LR enthusiast magnet.  You'll see 
why when you see her.

>No matter, I probably won't sleep much anyway
;
I'm hopping that it'll be too much fun to sleep.

>See ya there
>DaveB

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 19:10:13 -0700
Subject: NEEDED-scuttle vent part

Well I obviously have too much time on my hands from being unemployed and 
got myself into trouble.

I decided to disassemble my rusty scuttle vent openers and have them 
regalvanized.  I was drilling out rivits when the drill cought the part, 
pulled a rivit loose and launched a couple parts.  I found one but not 
the other.  I spent about 10 minutes crawling around with a strong 
magnet.  I even fired up the compressor and blew leaves in a 50 foot by 
50 foot area to find the part.  No luck.

I have the screw style scuttle vent openers found on pre-series IIA Land 
Rovers.

There is a rectangular captive nut with round arms sticking out on two 
oposit sides.  This nut is mounted on the arm of the opener and is moved 
by the stationary  threaded stock attached to the knob.

I'm now missing one captive nut.

Does anyone have a trashed pre-series IIA scuttle vent opener with a good 
captive nut that I can beg or prurchase. Once the arms get regalvanized 
my vent openers will be in excellent condition.  Assuming I get a new 
captive nut.

Can anyone help?

sigh

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re[2]: B.G.R.s

>re: Green Rover
> >She may put you to sleep, but you will have a hard time ignoring this
>>car.
>Why, are you bringing the goats?
Dave, are you cruising for dates on the internet again????

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:38:01 -0600
Subject: Anyone out there RIGHT NOW!! NEED HELP!
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I have a technical question...I need conversational help right now...If =
you can help please go to www.britishbulldog.com the live chat room...

Thanks,
John Wood
jwrover

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:54:07 -0400
Subject: Re: RE:NY

Geoffrey:
    I'm in a town called Glenville, NY.  It's about 15 min. North of
Schenectady, NY.  That's not to far from Albany.  Drop a line if you're
passing through.

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
66 109 (not ready yet)

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:10:53 -0400
Subject: Re: B.G.R.s

Geek Peak it is!  See ya there.

Drew Squires   
drewteri@concentric.net
66 109 (still getting dressed)

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:35:14 -0400
Subject: Re: NEEDED-scuttle vent part

Terri:
    Do you know anyone with a metal detector?  I'm always dropping small
metal parts that I usually need badly at the time.  After crawling around on
my hands & knees for awhile, I get the detector out & usually find it pretty
quickly.  If you don't know anyone that has one you can usually rent one for
the day from a dealer.  Look up Metal Detectors in the Yellow Pages.  If
that doesn't work check out the newsgroups for Treasure and/or Gold.  You
could also try http://www.lostreasure.com  They have a chat feature you
might be able to find someone in your area through.  I haven't used the chat
so I really can't say.  Content = Lost Land Rover Parts!!!  BTW.  If you
find one, make sure you get instructions on using it.  Some of them can be a
little tough to get used to.  Good Luck!!!

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
(66 109 still getting dressed)

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:38:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DELRC recent event pics up...

If anyone would like to see what we did this past weekend, please stop by
the club website!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery "Chukka," 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966
Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

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From: Alessandro Castellana <kastel@tor.it>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:19:10 +0200
Subject: smoke

 Hi All,
I give you some suggestions:
Black smoke -faulty fuel injectors
-fuel injection/distributor pump timing incorrect
Blue smoke -blocked or overfilled air cleaner -valve clearance incorrect
-low cylinder compressions - engine burning oil due to general wear.
I had too. A thick white/blue smoke when I was warming up the engine, for 3
or 4 minutes. I have a SIII '78  88" diesel , so I put in the tank a
fuel-additive to clear the valves and injectors. It worked , the smoke from
exhaust is less than before.
cheers

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:27:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Found my gearbox leak--solutions?

Nope - just run with it as is.

               ajr

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