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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 8:18:25 -0400
Subject: Re: squeaky brakes

Did you readjust the steady posts?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 08:40:21 EST
Subject: Re: High Strung...

>I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner of their 
>bullbars and roofrack.
>What is the purose of this?

These are made for deflecting shopping carts that make it past the bullbar so 
that they don't break the windsheild.
As an aside they are also good for catching the neighbors laundry off the line.

later
Daveb

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From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:38:28 -0400
Subject: '84 RR FS:  $6000  in NJ, USA

Posting on behalf of the seller...

I took a close look at it, everything seems to be in good shape.
The color is brown, and teh paint is faded and rough in places, likely a
respray.
No rust on the tailgate, but some under the sills.  U-joints and diffs
seem tight,
so the clunk is minimal.   Steering arm ball joint needs replacing.
Strng box and
swivel seals weep as appropriate.  The balls are A-OK.
Hi-Lo and diff lock tested OK.
Interior is cloth, no rips, just basically used.
Orig. 3.5 v8 w. dual CDs.  New tires, brush bars front and back.  New
muffler.
Ran true and solid, except for the play due to the strg arm ball jnt.

He'll prob. deal on the price ,  I just can't afford another vehicle,
(unless it's a steal,
of course, which this aint  :)

plse contact him directly:  Eugene, 732-846-9464, email:
jeepo4x4@aol.com
(don't harrass ME about his email either  :)

rgds
Jan

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 11:49:28 EST
Subject: Whining sound

Dear All,
I have noticed there is a loud whining sound that comes from the passenger side 
of my vehicle. However at speeds in excess of 50 mph the sound gets drowned out 
by the gearbox and engine, and hence is no longer audible. Also I have noticed 
it goes away completely when there is no female passenger. Any ideas? Should I 
just try to make the engine louder, or should I put in a new passenger and see 
if that helps?. I suppose the current passenger could be defective. Its been a 
while snce I installed this passenger so maybe a change is in order. 

DaveB

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:08:05
Subject: Re: Springs-Rebuilding 

Anyone tell me why the diesel would have stronger springs.  They are the
same engine with the exception of the crank, pistons, head and the
necessary diesel bits.  Couldn't way a significant amount more and may even
be lighter than the petrol
Aloha Peter

At 04:44 PM 5/20/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>Is there anyone out there who can shed some light on the rebuilding 
>feasability of petrol springs up to diesel standerds??
>In my rebuilding process I have got two front springsets available, 
>one diesel, heavily rusted (11 layers), and one petrol set(nine 
>layers) in good shape.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 57 lines)]
>e-mail adress
>Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:13:48 -0400
Subject: Commercial content??

Hi everyone.

Hope your Rovers are doing well -mine's resting up for OVLR.

I couldn't help but comment on the ridiculous commercial post that just 
came on the digest!  ( a few of you have asked me about my ECR experiences, 
here's just the briefest outline -sorry to those of you who'd rather not 
hear any of it)

>Subject: 107 SW wanted
>Dear all,
>I am looking for a 107 Station Wagon project for restoration. As original
>as possible, left hand drive would be nice, but knowing that they are hard
>to find I'm not going to be too picky. If anyone can point me in the right
>direction, or has one for sale I'd appreciate an email. Email me direct
>please as I am not on the list.

>From Mike Smith no less. (I especially like the last sentence 'I don't even 
receive your requests for help but please help me make money')

The guy who withheld my importation paperwork until I paid every penny that 
he overcharged, then claimed he didn't have any paperwork...

Two years later (Nov/Dec97) he slides back on the list, insults several 
former customers but finally agrees to make amends with me via private 
e-mail after I speak out.

I was quite pleased to get want amounted to an apology, and promises of my 
paperwork, an initial check and that the rest of the money should arrive 
"around the first of the year".

I fell for it hook line and sinker, I guess.

I got the paperwork three weeks later, postmarked Jan 13, 1998 along with a 
check for less than half of the amount I was overcharged.

Now it's just about SIX MONTHS later and no second check...fortunately I 
decided not to hold my breath.  I did e-mail Mike in March to check in and 
he reassured me that he "didn't want [me] to think [they] had forgotten 
about it".

Does it seem strange to anyone else that a company that solicits to 
purchase a 107SW can't seem to come up with a few hundred bucks to refund 
an overcharged customer after two and a half years???

How much faith would you have in a company that needs even six months to 
raise $500????

Don't worry I'm still not holding my breath, but would still love to have 
Mike keep his word -or even explain what the h*ll the problem is.

Chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck      Office Logic, Inc. (978) 392-0288
  ______                             Computerization for the
  |__][_[_\__                        Healthcare Professional
  |___\_|_]__]
    (o)       (o)          '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile
                      **   Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.  **

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:20:27 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound

The problem you are experiencing could derived from a misuse of the 
installed component or incompatibility with your truck. Land Rovers and the 
parts installed "in" them should be of the same nature as themselves: 
Rugged, used to mud, water and rocks.
Replacement could be a solution, but as with new engines there is always a 
breaking-down period.
Fixing is advised by the experienced literature, but not further than 
reasonable peace of mind dictates.
More data on the subject could be of use for better advise.

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:35:19 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound

There is another possibility to fix the problem:
Add a Stereo
I used this trick already.

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:39:36 -0400
Subject: Greaseless

Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU> wrote:

>I know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
>wondering what the best safe degreasing agent? 

If'n you are trying to be environmentally friendly, there's this
citrus-based stuff called "CitruSolv" or some such.  Great for trannys,
body parts (hands, etc.) and it smells good enough to use as a desert
topping!  Bon appetit.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:35:22 -0700
Subject: Another toy for people with time on their hands... Little LR Cont

I found this site on the web.  It generated anagrams for anything that
you throw in it.
http://www.tf.hut.fi/mask/ag/

Of course, Land Rover was first in.

Anagrams for: land rover

roven lard        lover rand        lover darn        rover land        
raved lorn        vernal rod        verna lord        raven lord        
vern rod al       vern or lad       vern lo rad       vern lo dar       
vend orr al       veld orr an       veld or ran       lev rod ran       
lev ron rad       lev ron dar       lev nor rad       lev nor dar       
lev orr dan       lev orr and       lev or rand       lev or darn       
rend volar        rend valor        re van lord       err van old       
led van orr       del van orr  

Some good pet names here!

Paul in Victoria.
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:47:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Whining sound

In a message dated 21/05/98  16:56:22, you write:

<< I have noticed there is a loud whining sound that comes from the passenger
side 
 of my vehicle. However at speeds in excess of 50 mph the sound gets drowned
out 
 by the gearbox and engine, and hence is no longer audible. Also I have
noticed 
 it goes away completely when there is no female passenger. Any ideas? Should
I 
 just try to make the engine louder, or should I put in a new passenger and
see 
 if that helps?. I suppose the current passenger could be defective. Its been
a 
 while snce I installed this passenger so maybe a change is in order.  >>

Dave 
you need: 1x daughter-in-law
                2x grandchildren
                1 x son

You then install son in front passenger seat, the other items, plus original
female passenger in back.

Son and you have sensible conversation, admittedly at tops of voices,
discussing soccer results, ridiculous driving standards of just about
everybody else on the roads today etc etc.

You forget all about the others until arriving at your destination.

I'm sorry, but I thought everyone did this these days....

best cheers

Frank

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:20:27 -0500
Subject: RE: Whining sound

The problem you are experiencing could derived from a misuse of the 
installed component or incompatibility with your truck. Land Rovers and the 
parts installed "in" them should be of the same nature as themselves: 
Rugged, used to mud, water and rocks.
Replacement could be a solution, but as with new engines there is always a 
breaking-down period.
Fixing is advised by the experienced literature, but not further than 
reasonable peace of mind dictates.
More data on the subject could be of use for better advise.

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 11:51:24 -0700
Subject: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

I need to firm up the number of cars and people going along on the red 
rock expedition in June.

The trip itinerary is located on the group web site:

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/overland_expeditions

I currently have 12 cars signed up.  The Canyon de Chelly regulations 
require one guide for each 5 cars.  So it looks like we can take an 
additional 3 cars assuming all 12 cars currently signed up come.

I need to get an actual head count for the tour of the upper Antalope 
slot canyon so we can lock in a group rate.

Please get back to me as soon as possible to varify that you are indeed 
going on the trip and the number of people coming in your party.

Here is the current list:

Nick Baggerly (2 cars) number of participants unknown
Gerry Elm, 1 person
Fil Figueroa, 2 people
John Hess, 3 people
James Howard, 2 people
Michael McKeag, 2 people
Eric Mills, 3 people
Armando Nieto, 1 person
Granville Pool, 2 people
TeriAnn Wakeman, 1 person
Tom Walsh, 2 people

+ room for 3 additional cars

Please get back to me.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 14:53:12 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Whining sound

                >you need: 1x daughter-in-law
                >2x grandchildren
                >1 x son

run away, run away!!

Dave

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From: James Howard <jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:58:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

On Thu, 21 May 1998, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> James Howard, 2 people

Make that 3 people.  

If it is alright with everyone, Kelly & I plan to bring her brother Sam
with us.  He is 11 or 12 years old, so he doesn't take up much space!

James

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:36:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

In a message dated 5/21/98 11:58:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu writes:

<< If it is alright with everyone, Kelly & I plan to bring her brother Sam
 with us.  He is 11 or 12 years old, so he doesn't take up much space! >>

I'm assuming that this is a kid-friendly trip and that kids are welcome.  If
that isn't the case,  let me know!

Gerry 

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:58:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

Where is this? I haven't been paying much attention to my email lately, due to
work, and getting my 109 running again.

I'm on vacation the last 2 weeks in June. When/Where/How much?

Charles

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From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:55:51 +0100
Subject: Front Prop/Drive Shaft

Hiya

I noticed today that my a part of my front prop/drive shaft needed
replacing. I think its the CV joint.  Its the cross-thingy that allows the
axel to articulate without twisting the shaft.  Just in behind (looking
from back to front) the front axel housing where the shaft goes in.  Could
someone let me know how easy it is to change this and if i need any special
tools

Elwyn York
Landrover S3 LtWt & www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:25:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Front Prop/Drive Shaft

In a message dated 5/21/98 4:21:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Elwyny@mailshuttle.com writes:

<< I noticed today that my a part of my front prop/drive shaft needed
 replacing. I think its the CV joint.  Its the cross-thingy that allows the
 axel to articulate without twisting the shaft.  Just in behind (looking
 from back to front) the front axel housing where the shaft goes in.  Could
 someone let me know how easy it is to change this and if i need any special
 tools >>

That would be the U joint (universal joint).  It is not hard to change but
there are a few things to look out for.  When you put the new one in the yoke,
be very careful with the caps to make sure the needle bearings don't get
caught.  The holy green book describes very well how to change U joints.  I
find my benchtop vise is good for pressing the end caps down most of the way.

Nate

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:29:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

Leave it to GE to force changes in your schedule.  I just got an e-mail asking
for a meeting on Monday, June 8.  I'll have to delay joining the group until
late that night.  But I will be there!  Just delayed a day or two.

Of couse, you can use me to bring anything you've forgotten.  My office number
is 602-282-4826 so leave me a voice mail by Monday, June 8, 3 PM if you
discover you've forgotten something!

Later...
Gerry 

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:30:00 -0500
Subject: Re; high strung

>>And slice flesh off bones if a pedestrian or cyclist hits them. Years
ago I slide into the forestay of a sailboat when it ran aground, and the
stay neatly sliced 3" gash in my knee. I hate to think what could happen
>>if someone running wires had a collision (even low speed) with a cyclist
or pedestrian. Take them off when operating on the public road. >>There
aren't any tree limbs to protect against there.

It works the other way round too.  A stationary wire will inflict major
damage on a moving Land Rover and it's occupants if they get in the way.
Soldiers in N.Ireland on patrol in the early 70's used to stand in the back
of LandRovers with their heads above the windshield.  Wires strung across
streets between lamp posts caused "considerable injuries".  The soluation to
this was to fix a large metal post to the front of the vehicle to cut the
wire.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:54:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Springs-Rebuilding

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
Anyone tell me why the diesel would have stronger springs.  They are the
same engine with the exception of the crank, pistons, head and the
necessary diesel bits.  Couldn't way a significant amount more and may
even be lighter than the petrol

I guess the logic was that the petrol would be driven by private users,
whilst the diesel would be driven "for work" - thus having to load more
(passengers in the back - military use?) - thus heavier springs

Any other theories out there?

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
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mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:15:43 EDT
Subject: Who is coming to Eastnor ?

Are you coming to the ARC rally?. If so watch out for my Lightweight Hybrid
(freshly painted in NATO green with bright yellow wheels) and come say hello.
I am arriving next Thursday, competing in the RTV on Saturday leaving Sunday.
Look forward to seeing you there.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:22:04 +0000
Subject: Re: 88" and sideshafts after 1980

> >the story I was told was that they only changed the number of
> >splines on
> >the outside - which is easy to handle: just put new flanges on.
> Would that it were that simple.But I'm deeply suspicious that its
> not.
> These things never are.Anyone with a late S111 who's had the
> halfshafts
> out?

This is what I'm thinking too...but I'd like to know...

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: "Stude, Herman L." <hermans@krts.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:24:34 -0500
Subject: Re: squeaky brakes

Adams, Bill wrote:
> Did you readjust the steady posts?

How do you do this?

Herman

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 15:35:45 -0700
Subject: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

OK, 
I have seen the diesels in action in the water and I'm impressed about 
what great water puppies they are.  However the LR diesels are abysmal on 
hills.  

I figured out how they pull away from the petrol cars by following some 
on the trails.  They slow down to their peak torque RPM and just keep 
going.  Meanwhile they slow the petrol 4 cylinder LR behind them until 
they are WAY down on their torque curve and have no power left.  So the 
diesel just walks away from the petrol car that was forced to slow down.

So maybe the answer is a six cylinder diesel.

I have been seeing a lot of small Ford/IVCO, and ISUSU trucks around 
lately.  Has anyone looked into dropping a diesel from one of those into 
a series car???

I think a version of the Nisson 28 engine made it to the US during the 
80s.  ANy opinion of this engine?  Other engine suggestions??

Idle speculators want to know.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 15:40:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

One of the three slots have been spoken for.  That leaves two left at 
this time.

>From John Hess:
My brother inlaw and sister, who own a Jeep Grand cherokee would like to
accompany us.  He is very interested in photography and would be going for
that aspect.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 15:40:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

>Where is this? I haven't been paying much attention to my email lately, 
>due to work, and getting my 109 running again.
;
>I'm on vacation the last 2 weeks in June. When/Where/How much?

Hi Charles.

This is actually the first time I have posted this trip on the main list. 
 I posted it on the West coast list last fall and the trip filled up in a 
day.  AT that time It did not make sense to post it on the main list.

I currently have openings for 3 additional cars and decided to throw it 
open to anyone.  The trip is mostly pavement with eash 4X4 trails.  We 
will be taking a leasurly pace. Consider it a photography trip through 
some of the most beautiful spots in the country.

I was trying to keep the group at 10 cars but ended up accepting 12.  I 
was waiting to see if anyone would drop out but it looks like everyone is 
committed.  Canyon de Chelly park regulations require one guide for every 
5 cars, so if we have to pay for three guides, we might as well add 3 
additional cars and reduce individual costs.

The complete tour is on the web site but here is a quick overview:

Sunday June 7, meet at Wupatki and Sunset Crater Volcano National 
Monuments in Arizona, just North of Flagstaff and spend the day in the 
park.

Monday, June 8, Spend the morning  hours in th park then drive between 
Wupatki and National Monument.  Have a guide take us to the Keyhole for a 
photo.

Tuesday, June 9, will be spent in Monument valley.  We will have a guide 
take us to view Anasazi and Pueblo ruins, some arches and the sand dunes. 
 Since this is the evening of the full moon, we hope to get photos of the 
full moon hanging beside monuments.

Wednesday, June 10, Take the early morning opportunity for side lit 
photography then drive to Page, Arizona where we will camp on the edge of 
Lake Powell.  We will head up Wire pass and hike into Buckskin Gulch for 
afternoon and evening photography.

Thursday, June 11, Photograph the Upper Antelope slot canyon until about 
2 when the direct light goes away from the canyon.  The rest of the day 
is "free time"

Friday, June 12, After an early morning photo session, we ill take a 
roundabout path to Canyon de Chelly passing over Navajo mountain and 
through Piute canyon.  There is a place on the rim of Canyon de Chelly 
where there are spectacular photo opportunities just before sunset.

Saturday, June 13, We will meet with Indian guides and proceed up Canyon 
de Chelly to spend three days and two nights inside the canyon visiting 
Anasazi cliff dwellings, photographing petroglyphs and red rock canyon 
walls that are streaked with lines of a dark mahogany water stains

We will part company when we get out of the canyon.

Costs are minimal.  They will be your fuel and food expenses, camping 
fees, guide fees plus 15th on my portion.  I'm asking the latter because 
I'm currently unemployed and think it is little to ask for the work I 
want through to set up the tour and the phone expenses I have incurred.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: slade@imagina.com (Michael Slade)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:04:12 -0800
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

TeriAnn wrote...

>I think a version of the Nisson 28 engine made it to the US during the
>80s.  ANy opinion of this engine?  Other engine suggestions??
>Idle speculators want to know.

TeriAnn,

The Canadian version of the Nissan Maxima did come in a Diesel version that
is quite a little engine.  One of the Canadian competitors that comes down
regularly has one in his ex-mil 90.  It's a nice little unit.

I'm not sure if that's the Nissan 28 or not, but it is a 6 cyl. and seems
to have plenty of power when he needs it.

I might be able to dig up more info if you'd like.

What about a GM 6.2 or 6.7?  It'll fit (just barely) with Timm's help.  :)

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
'90 RR Foward Control

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:21:34 EDT
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

In a message dated 21/05/98  23:37:26, you write:

<<  have been seeing a lot of small Ford/IVCO, and ISUSU trucks around 
 lately.  Has anyone looked into dropping a diesel from one of those into 
 a series car???
  >>

The Ford/Iveco four cylinder (not six) engine available in Iveco, Fiat and
Renault trucks in the UK and Europe sits happily in my 110 and the convertion
company have fitted them in a few series motors.
 Mine is the 2.5 ltr turbo diesel which puts out 111 bhp. There's an
intercoolled version as well.
 Various reasons for fitting this one such as parts availability - better than
Land Rover - but I wouldn't have anything else other than the return of the V8
if I ever won bundles of cash.

best cheers

Frank

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:35:37 EDT
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

In a message dated 5/21/98 7:23:48 PM, you wrote:

> Various reasons for fitting this one such as parts availability - better
than
>Land Rover - but I wouldn't have anything else other than the return of the
V8
>if I ever won bundles of cash.

And a V8 owner pips in with a vote for the Land Rover TDI300 engine, in
anything smaller (lighter) than a loaded 110*. In an empty 90 with no roof,
they pull and threaten to fly...

y'all can keep the Ford, VM, GM, AM/FM or whatever engines, but this time
around (IMHO) it seems LR is putting out a better engine than the cobbles
people are dropping into their vehicles. And, parts are as close as your
nearest reputable LR parts seller. RN has provided me with parts for it, as
has a local (Miami) dealer... (the parts guy at the dealer even let me look
through his European-only microfiche to see if there were any goodies they get
that I'd like for my NAS vehicle) That's my .02

And, there's tons of space for the *4* cylinder tdi engine... Add a raised
intake and scuba set to the order...

--pat.

(*just because I'm used to driving a topless D90 with the TDI and sampling a
friend's 110 loaded full of mangoes made me crave the light 90)

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From: "james howington" <jphowington@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:42:03 PDT
Subject: Steady post adjustment

It is "easy" to adjust your steady posts (you'll need a friend to help):
First, take off the wheel (it is too hard to do this with the wheel in 
place, I've tried). Loosen the steady post lock nut and screw the post 
well away from the brake shoe. Once the post is screwed out, have your 
friend lightly apply the brakes while you turn the drum by hand and seat 
the brake shoes. Continue to apply the brakes until the shoes lock the 
drum (DO NOT let up the brakes at this point or you'll have to start 
over). Screw in the post until you fell it just contact the brake shoe 
web, then tighten the lock nut.

Tada - post is adjusted.

Have fun

James Howington

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:26:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Commercial content??

Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc. wrote:

> I couldn't help but comment on the ridiculous commercial post that
> just
> came on the digest!  ( a few of you have asked me about my ECR
> experiences,
> here's just the briefest outline -sorry to those of you who'd rather
> not
> hear any of it)

You're right, I'm tired of it. It's really stretching it to call that
post ridiculous. I guess I missed the solicitations for updates on your
ECR experience.

BTW, I have absolutely no connection with ECR, and have never delt with
them.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:37:04 EDT
Subject: Re: squeaky brakes

Bill,
I'm with Herman.  How and why do you adjust the steady posts?

Bill

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:56:17 -0700
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

>And a V8 owner pips in with a vote for the Land Rover TDI300 engine, in
>anything smaller (lighter) than a loaded 110*. In an empty 90 with no roof,
>they pull and threaten to fly...
;
;>y'all can keep the Ford, VM, GM, AM/FM or whatever engines, but this 
time
;>around (IMHO) it seems LR is putting out a better engine than the 
cobbles
;>people are dropping into their vehicles.

The tdi requires moving the front crossmember to fit in a series rig and 
the Buick V8 requires a shoehorn, a lot of grease to slid it in p[lus 
some sheetmetal cutting.

Besides the FI V8 is hydrophobic and way too complicated for a simple 
person like me to work on.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:09:34 EDT
Subject: Re:  Steady post adjustment

OK,
I'll try that.  Thanks.
Bill 

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:40:01 -0600
Subject: RE: High Strung
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Hi All!

Couple people mentioned the hazards of "limb-over" wires to pedestrians, =
etc in case of an accident---Isn't getting hit by the Land Rover bad =
enough in the first place?!!!!!!!

I would think that the blunt impact of a 3000 Lb (+) truck would ruin =
their day!   

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:47:46 -0400
Subject: Maybe that was too much.

>>( a few of you have asked me about my ECR experiences, here's just the
>> briefest outline -sorry to those of you who'd rather not hear any of it)

>You're right, I'm tired of it. It's really stretching it to call that
>post ridiculous. I guess I missed the solicitations for updates on your
>ECR experience.

Thanks David for keeping it simple and polite.

I guess that I did over-react, and I apologize to everyone who was bothered 
by it in any way.

I've restrained myself from posting to the list for the last six months in 
the expectation that I would be a better (happier) contributor when my ECR 
thing was finally resolved and it's dragged on such as to unduly aggravate 
me.  The requests for info were direct, and I found myself stalling on 
digging through a lot of info that was just going to get me ticked off. 
 -But I went and got ticked off anyway.

So, anyway -I'm just going to resume reading the list everyday and posting 
whatever typical list-type stuff that comes to mind.

Mike, if you're out there I apologize to you for jumping on that post; if 
we're ever going to get this thing behind us it really ought to happen 
soon.

Chris
(sig undergoing repairs)

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:33:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Red Rock Expidition - Last call

Dammit!

As my luck usually goes, this trip is ONE WEEK before my vacation.

Oh well...since I'm writing, I have a tech question concerning bastardized
wiring on my 109 diesel ('twas like this when I got the truck, and now it's
becoming THE problem).

My truck was converted (long ago), to a Chevy alternator - fine, it worked,
though the unit used, was the older type, with the seperate regulator. Since
the original generator had more amps then the Chevy type used, I figured "Gee,
since it's already converted, I'll go to a newer type, with an internal
regulator!".

This, is where the problem begins: I've been ALL OVER the wiring in my truck,
and though the battery/field wires are connected correctly on the alternator,
my warning light refuses to go out!

I've replaced the alternator several times - and my voltmeter DOES register a
charge coming from the alternator - then what the @^#% is going on?!?!?!?!?

There are two extra terminals on the alternator - marked 1, and 2,
respectively: are these supposed to be connected to something? I have a Chevy
shop manual, and of course, it doesn't give any clear info whatsoever - the
damnded alternator/generators are found in the "Ignition" chapter, of all
places, and NOT the electrical chapter!

I have determined, that the number 1 terminal, is hot...the other isn't.

Is my latest replacement alternator junk? Or, is something amiss with my
truck?

As far as the battery goes, it did die on me yesterday, though that was mainly
due to getting some bad diesel from what used to be a reputable station (truck
wouldn't start). Whilst replacing the filter, I replaced the injectors also,
since I had to bleed the system anyway!

BTW - anybody that has a diesel - NAPA carries the fuel filter for them! Part
number 3166, and they even show it fitting C.A.V. fuel systems, 1964-1996!
It's common enough, that they ALWAYS have it in stock, and they're only about
$3.00, or so.

Charles

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:04:33 +1000
Subject: Re: "Hillman - " Not Hillman, but still British...

I know this ain't Land Rover but there are a few on the list and in the USA
who are Rover car buffs so they may be able to help.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:24:34 +1000
Subject: NEED HELP

Mark Roby wrote:

>No I can't get off this mailing list and I have tried numerous times too

If I recall you were sending the unsubscribe request to the list *not* to
the major as is noted on every digest, e.g.

To UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: MajorDomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
with the text: unsubscribe lro-digest

If you subscribe to the real time list use the text
unsubscribe land-rover-owner

Ron

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:28:43 EDT
Subject: Re: 6 cyl diesels in series LRs???

In a message dated 22/05/98  00:37:55, you write:

<< And a V8 owner pips in with a vote for the Land Rover TDI300 engine, in
 anything smaller (lighter) than a loaded 110*. >>

I run a loaded 110, winch, full cage, boxes of loot in the rear, full
Southdown guards underneath..... The TDI would struggle whereas the IVECO
moves.
 Also, I mentioned parts availability... I meant on expeditions, Eastern
Europe etc Land Rover parts are thin on the ground whereas the IVECO, being in
commercials from Ford, Fiat and Renault gives me three times as many dealers
plus Motor Factors and non franchised commercial dealers.

In Budapest we ended up leaving a friend's TDI Ninety while we carried on into
the Ukraine. Eventually got a timing belt from Austria.
Only One L/R dealer in Budapest, eleven places I could have got one for my
IVECO.

Also the conversion was £2,000 UKP cheaper than fitting the Tdi.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:58:50 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: squeaky brakes

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jarvis 64 wrote:

> Just put new front brake drums on and apparently I failed to get out all that
> sticky anti-rust stuff prior to installation.  Soon had high-volume screech
> that embarassed me at large intersections.  Took drums off last night, sanded

I've often found that rounding off the leading and trailing edge of the
shoes with sand paper will remove much of the squeal.

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:21:58 +0100
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Whining sound

  >                >you need: 1x daughter-in-law
  >                >2x grandchildren
  >                >1 x son
  >run away, run away!!

Brave Sir Robin...

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:38:25 +1000
Subject: GUNK

<< I also vote for Simple Green.  Apart from the fact that it works as
advertised, it is also non-toxic, non-mutagenic, and non-carcinogenic.
  >>
>This does sound kinda nice, does anyone know if it, or anything similar, is
available in the UK>

Dunno about the UK, Frank. but it is available in Sydney at Big W stores (A
bit like KMart) in the motoring section.  I bought some a few months back to
try after reading about it in a book on cleaning car engine bays for
concours events - yeah, right - Rovers?

Actually, it didn't seem any better than any of the other kitchen cleaning
sprays e.g. Spray & Wipe etc.  It was also much dearer.  I'll stick with $2
cans of spray on engine degreaser and my Gerni high pressure water cleaner
(bought for $25 - original cost over $1000).

Ron Beckett

Ron

Ron

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:27:22 +1000
Subject: 107 SW wanted

Mike Smith wrote:

>I am looking for a 107 Station Wagon project for restoration

Mike, I can't help but I have photos of a beautiful 107 SW that I took at
the LR 50th celebrations in Australia.  If nothing else it'll keep you
motivated.  This was restroed from a heap.  I took a whole roll of film on
this car but gave it to the owner's mother.  I kept a couple of good pix.

Shall I email it/them?  (If anyone else on the list wants a copy, let me
know).

Ron

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:49:32 -0400
Subject: Alternator follies

DUmb question:

COuld it be that the back of the bulb needs to go somwhere else than where
it is?

If the backside's grounded, switch it to +12. If it's hot, disconnect and
ground it.

I'm not familiar with the old unit in question, but it might well be that
it's not seeing what it needs.

                              ajr

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