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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:26:28 -0500
Subject: annoying rattles

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>travelling between 70 and 85 kph, otherwise quiet as a bell.

Quiet as a bell, eh? Driving 70-85 kph? What were you driving?
Thought you were an all-Rover fleet. Check the badge.

    _____
___(_____)
|Baby the\
|1969 Land\_===__
|  ___Rover   ___|o
|_/ . \______/ . ||
___\_/________\_/____________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:22:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Join

At 09:18 20/05/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Join

Well Said

EY

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From: Loz <Loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:15:19 +0100
Subject: Re: SIII brake woes

I'd also give the whole system a thorough inch by inch check. I had a similar
problem once, traced it eventually to a tiny, I mean tiny, crack in one of
the pipes.

Loz

Terje Krogdahl wrote:

> On Wed, 20 May 1998, jkramer wrote:
> > > I suspect the problem could be in the master cylinder, but can the
> > > master cylinder be faulty without leaking?
> > It sure can! The presure can leak back into the container (tank) at the
> > master cylinder.I've had some trouble with this.
> Ugh. I guess it's master cylinder overhaul time again... Was afraid
> of that.
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> http://www.land.rover.no
> 1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:22:31 -0400
Subject: 107 SW wanted

Dear all,
I am looking for a 107 Station Wagon project for restoration. As original
as possible, left hand drive would be nice, but knowing that they are hard
to find I'm not going to be too picky. If anyone can point me in the right
direction, or has one for sale I'd appreciate an email. Email me direct
please as I am not on the list.
Thanks, and have a great day!

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:44:49 +0100
Subject:  Springs-Rebuilding 

Hello all,

Is there anyone out there who can shed some light on the rebuilding 
feasability of petrol springs up to diesel standerds??

In my rebuilding process I have got two front springsets available, 
one diesel, heavily rusted (11 layers), and one petrol set(nine 
layers) in good shape.

Since I am rebuilding with the diesel engine I am wondering if I 
could "improve" the petrol set by adding extra spring blades.

Should I add long or short ones, inbetween, under or ontop of the 
petrol blades?

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:50:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Springs-Rebuilding

Seems to me that just adding 2 to fit from the Diesel stack would carry the
mail here....

                         Alan

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From: FOSTERLOHR <FOSTERLOHR@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:24:13 EDT
Subject: RE: Stage One V8 Exhaust Manifold

I'm in need of a new (Right Hand) Exhaust manifold for my Stage One V8 109.
Mine's cracked and the Rover# is ERC2995.  The problem is that nobody has any
record of that number existing.  The engine is a non-detoxed version, so just
about anything should work.  I'm looking for an inexpensive (I hope) solution
to my problem.  Has anybody had any luck with using a Buick manifold on the
Rover V8?

Regards,

Ted Lohr

Reply to: FOSTERLOHR@AOL.COM

Ex-Saudi Stage One v8 109

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From: gruno@att.net.hk (Keith Addison)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:29:07 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: Rag tops

Hi Frank

>Dunno why we loves 'em. but we loves 'em.

Yes, we does, dammit. Or love/hate, with a near-equal passion... I have to
be careful what I say, she's parked just outside the open door 10 ft away
and might hear, but I know she can't read.

All best

Keith
Lantau Island
Hong Kong
1973 Series III Military Lightweight

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 20 May 98 08:38:15 MST
Subject: Re: Chewy bits in gearbox

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Lloyd,

Maybe if you used something thin, like atf (Automatic Transmission Fluid)
and filled it to the top, shook, rattled, rotated, etc... you may bet most
of it. But sure as Murphy, (Murphey's law - a "guarantee" of sorts!)
there'll be that one bit that is stuck in a corner, the one that will decide
to come loose and chew things up at the least opportune moment! What are the
chewy bits a part of? Don't you want to replace this part??? Don't you have
to open it up anyway to replace it?

Unless you're just going to try passing it off to some unsuspecting poor
soul, I wouldn't do it. And if this *is* your plan... have you heard of bad
charma???

Dave Brown

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
 away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: "Peter Hope" <shdwrvr@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:40:45 -0400
Subject: Series Vehicles in Hawai'i?

Greetings,
We have just been notified of a pending move to Hawai'i (SO is USN) and I
was wondering if any on the list are on Ohau?
I have heard horror stories about vehicle rust ont he islands and was
wondering if the are any series vehicles wandering about in paradise.  If so
do they come for sale often?  Any tips on where to look on the web for
4xvehicles for sale in HI (other then yahoo)?
We should be arriving sometime in September.
Many Thnaks
Pete Hope
ps. Anyone got a house w/garage for rent near Pearl?

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:45:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Rag tops

 I have to
>be careful what I say, she's parked just outside the open door 10 ft away
>and might hear, but I know she can't read.

Want to bet? Nigel's Disease has many transmogrifications.........

Mike Rooth

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 11:19:32 EST
Subject: Re: Impending journey

>>19-21 June:  OVLR Bday Party

see ya there

>>9 July:  NJ to Wash. D.C.

we can hit the happening spots in DC and get you good and hung over for your 
journey south...

later
DaveB

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From: Loz <Loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:19:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Parabolic Springs!

Anybody know of a UK supplier (and price) of these. Sounds like I gotta have
some!!!

Loz

Frankelson wrote:

> In a message dated 18/05/98  15:44:53, you write:
> << Call me a softie, but for my money parabolics are the way to go. >>
> alright, yer a softie...... :-)>
> A friend of mine has parabolics and swears by them rather than at them as with
> the old style. I've driven in it (Ser 11) and it's at least as pleasant as my
> own 110 with HD coils.

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> best cheers
> Frank

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From: Loz <Loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:23:37 +0100
Subject: Re: Join

What?

Elwyn York wrote:

> At 09:18 20/05/98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Join
> Well Said
> EY

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:27:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Join

-I pasted this in for you to read. To get it I addressed to:

majordomo@land-rover.team.net

Luck.

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:28:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Join

My apologies to the list my previous sending should have gone to only one.

Tom Spoto

Charles Kerr wrote:

> Join

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:47 PDT
Subject: Re: Join

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:42:03 +0000
Subject: Re: 88" and sideshafts after 1980

Mike,

> >I would like to know what the experiences of you people are with
> these
> >sideshafts.  If they really are stronger, they seem to be the
> easiest
> >way to cure any SII or SIII88" sideshaft problems...
> I rather suspect that that was when they altered the number of
> splines
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> anything
> earlier.

the story I was told was that they only changed the number of splines on
the outside - which is easy to handle: just put new flanges on.

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:13:05 -0500
Subject: GUNK

All,

I know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
wondering what the best safe degreasing agent?  I have about 1/2-3/4 inch
of 18 year old grease and dir on the engine and tranny.  Also if I use a
high pressure sprayer can water enter where the shifter forks enter the
transmission? The gunk is impeding the movement of the lever. Also on the
cleaning of the transmission with desiel can you do the diffs and the axles
also?  What are the drawbacks to the desiel cleaning.  Should I flush with
alot of EP90?  

Thanks in advance.

Steve Fullwood
61' SII/IIA 88" Basic 
Lubbock, Texas

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:02:59 -0400
Subject: Re: GUNK

Re: Degreasing:

My own favorite is a water-soluble degreaser (a la Simple Green) in a spray
bottle , kept WELL AWAY from aluminum, and a long-handled stiff bristle
brush.

Remove bonnet - remove high-tension leads and bag over the carburettor and
the distributor. Spray the crap out of the engine with the degreaser and
work it into the scunge with the brush. Hose it off with a strong jet of
water.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

I'm not thrilled with pressure washers - they take off paint and that water
jet can get places you do NOT want it. The scrub brush and degreaser
method's more labor-intensiver but easier on the car and the Universe in
general.

Re: Internal flushing:

Unless you've got problems just change the oil - if you warm up the
assembly (tranny and the like) first it'll take the vast majority of the
gunk with it. If this is part of a resto. I'd consider dropping the diffs
and looking inside the casings. The seals are most-likely bad anyway -
change 'em and swab out the inside of the casings at the same time.

With the tranny, change the gasket at the bottom of the transfer case and
clean it out at the same time. If the tranny plug's not full of shavings,
odds are the inside of the transmission's OK too. Refill it , run it
awhile, then refill it again. That'll clear it fine.

               aj"Anal-retentive, ME?"r

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:05:21 -0700
Subject: RE: GUNK

The best cleaning agent that I have used is high pressure _steam_ .

Not to be confused with just a high pressure water wash.

A good professional steam cleaning will remove all of the gunk and is
about as environmentally friendly as you can get as it just uses good
old H2O.  Steam cleaning also has the added benefit of drying almost as
soon as it hits the metal, leaving your undersides clean and dry.

I've tried most of the heavy duty degreasers in a can or bottle with
about the same results, they all seam to remove most of the grease but
leave a film of slime behind.

My 2¢ worth...

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: Loz <Loz@loz.softnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:18:26 +0100
Subject: Re: GUNK

For what it's worth, there is a product in the UK for removing this stuff,
perhaps the same stuff is available on the other side of the pond? Ironically
it's called "GUNK". Accompanied with a strong hose jet, it should get rid of
most of the crap.

Regards

Loz

Steve Fullwood wrote:

> All,
> I know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
> wondering what the best safe degreasing agent?  I have about 1/2-3/4 inch
> of 18 year old grease and dir on the engine and tranny.  Also if I use a
> high pressure sprayer can water enter where the shifter forks enter the
> transmission? The gunk is impeding the movement of the lever. Also on the
> cleaning of the transmission with desiel can you do the diffs and the axles
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> 61' SII/IIA 88" Basic
> Lubbock, Texas

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Parabolic Springs!

In a message dated 20/05/98  17:06:49, you write:

<< Anybody know of a UK supplier (and price) of these. Sounds like I gotta
have
 some!!!
 
 Loz >>

it's Chris Perfect Components, Tel/Fax 01570 423206.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Stage One V8 Exhaust Manifold

In a message dated 20/05/98  16:27:02, you write:

<< 'm in need of a new (Right Hand) Exhaust manifold for my Stage One V8 109.
 Mine's cracked and the Rover# is ERC2995.  The problem is that nobody has any
 record of that number existing.   >>

Ted,

I've got part no ERC 7174 for left hand drive (ERC 7176 right hand drive) in
my parts book. Try your dealer on that.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:48:44 EDT
Subject: Re: GUNK

In a message dated 20/05/98  17:58:34, you write:

<<  know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
 wondering what the best safe degreasing agent?  I have about 1/2-3/4 inch
 of 18 year old grease and dir on the engine and tranny.  Also if I use a
 high pressure sprayer can water enter where the shifter forks enter the
 transmission? The gunk is impeding the movement of the lever. Also on the
 cleaning of the transmission with desiel can you do the diffs and the axles
 also?  What are the drawbacks to the desiel cleaning.  Should I flush with
 alot of EP90?  
 
 Thanks in advance.
  >>

Talk about coincidence. In the Uk we use a degreaser called 'Gunk' (!) spray
or brush it on, leave fifteen mins then wash off with ordinary hose.
 You MUST have a similar product in the States, surely??

best cheers

Frank

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:46:23 -0400
Subject: Re: GUNK

The spray-can stuff called GUNK is basically Diesel in a spray can. I've
never had a lot of luck with it - it tends to leave the "slime" on parts as
an earlir poster mentioned.

To each his own, though - if you've had good luck with it more power to
you.

                    ajr

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:17:44 EDT
Subject: Re: GUNK

In a message dated 5/20/98 1:51:17 PM, you wrote:

>The spray-can stuff called GUNK is basically Diesel in a spray can. I've
>never had a lot of luck with it - it tends to leave the "slime" on parts as
>an earlir poster mentioned.

In the Philippines, where anything-in-a-can-except-for-spam(tm) is expensive,
the service station attendants sponge diesel fuel over the engine and bay,
followed by * real steam*; it seemed to work good, without leaving slime or
film on the surface. The problem is in finding steam, many confuse hot
pressure washers for steam... also, I've only seen this procedure done on
diesel engined vehicles... 

Gunk's "Engine-Brite" ought to be findable at most auto parts places and even
in some supermarkets' auto sections. I haven't had good results with it on
rough aluminum castings like tranny, x-fer case... but it worked ok on the
(painted) engine block. 

pat
93  110

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:20:41 -0600
Subject: Re: GUNK

At 12:13 PM 20/05/98 -0500, Steve Fullwood, wrote

>I know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
>wondering what the best safe degreasing agent? 

I also vote for Simple Green.  Apart from the fact that it works as
advertised, it is also non-toxic, non-mutagenic, and non-carcinogenic.

If using full strength, the best technique is to spray the grease laden area
with water, then the Simple Green, wait several minutes and scrub around
with a brush, rinse off with water and repeat if necessary.

Apart from steam cleaning this is the best thing going.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:37:35 EDT
Subject: Re:  Simple Green

>Apart from steam cleaning this is the best thing going.

Except that it is a corrosive substance... There's a soap called Mirachem 750
that I try to get sample bottles of from a local distributor, it is enzyme-
based (?) and is one of the few soaps approved by Pratt & Whitney for use in
and around their turbines for cleaning purposes, being organic and non-
corrosive. I was turned on to it by Mako Marine who use it on their boats
post-mold to remove release agents and waxes... if someone really wants to try
this, let me know and I'll see what I can do about snagging a bottle or two.
(It is only sold in 55gal drums afaik).

 I also used to use 409, until I found out how corrosive that is when left on
bare aluminum... won't even go into Windex... oh well, can't beat good ol' H20
& elbow grease it seems...

--pat.

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:59:47 -0500
Subject: Door top (and bottom) treatments...

OK, so I'm the proud new owner of a '72 Ex-MOD 109" rag-top.  I was
looking for a hardtop, but this one fell into my lap and it seemed like
a good deal.  On thing that _is_ wrong with it is that the LH door top
is shot.  The RH one is OK, but needs some work.  Both bottoms show some
rust (and a few holes), but nothing majorly structural yet.  I have a
set of new tops (they came with the vehicle).  I've seen some messages
fly by about peeling the aluminum off of these and stripping and
galvanizing the frames.  I've also heard (from the Rovers North
catalogue) that Defender door tops fit just fine and are all aluminum.
I went by the local LR dealer, and what do you know, they're right.  Of
course, the cost with glazing, seals, etc. would be >$600 a side, so I'm
thinking the originals will do just fine if I treat them right.  Is
there a particular galvanizing treatment that is the "right" one for
this application?  The local shop offered several options and is not
very Rover aware.
								-MM

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:01:32 EDT
Subject: Defender : Human ratio

I was on the Island of Lanai (in Hawaii) and saw 12 Defenders in two days.
There's one other defender, but I didn't see it as it was in a closed garage.
I also saw 1 109. The defenders I saw ranged from a 110, 94 D90, 95 SWs a
bunch of 97 autos, and one Willow Green SW... Now here's the ratio bit: there
poulation of Lanai Island is 2,500. divided by the number of rovers I saw,
comes to one for every 192 people there... probably not the densest, but given
the location, quite a feat. It is kinda bizarre to see that on an islnd where
the airport doesn't have an x-ray, there is no traffic light, only about 12
miles of paved road (lots of dirt roads...) and gas costs around $1.90 ish per
gallon... one can imagine my surprise at seeing *one* D90, then going down the
road a bit and seeing one of the Willow Green ones...

--pat.

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From: Scott Wilson <swilson@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:03:59 -0400
Subject: RE: Simple Green

> There's a soap called Mirachem 750
> that I try to get sample bottles of from a local distributor, it is enzyme-
> based (?) and is one of the few soaps approved by Pratt & Whitney for use in
> and around their turbines for cleaning purposes, being organic and non-
> corrosive. I was turned on to it by Mako Marine who use it on their boats
> post-mold to remove release agents and waxes... if someone really wants to try
> this, let me know and I'll see what I can do about snagging a bottle or two.
> (It is only sold in 55gal drums afaik).

Except that benzene is also an organic substance, but I can't think of much 
good that it does for people, so is carbon monoxide, antifreeze, etc...
Chances are if it's only available in 55 gallon
drums and for use around turbines, then it's not gonna do much for the 
environment.
Sure, that's an overgeneralization, but when it's a choice between tracking down
a steam bath or borrowing a sprayer full of some-no-telling-what, then I'd have
to go for the steam.

I just say this cause I worked for a defense contractor for a while, and the
chemicals that the Air Force uses to clean their jets are highly controlled, 
and most
have been outlawed, so they have to regulate the use of what surplus cleaning
agents that they have.

Of course, I guess if rover-owners were worried about the oil/gas/etc getteing 
into 
the environment, then there wouldn't be any rover owners. =:)

-Scott
 (unfortunately, still looking for my first rover.)

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From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Date: 	Wed, 20 May 1998 06:45:06 -1000
Subject: Re: Defender : Human ratio

The reason there are so many Defenders on Lanai is this: there are two
expensive hotels (Koele Lodge and Manele Bay Hotel) on Lanai that cater
to well heeled guests. Since driving on Lanai is mostly off-road there
is now a company who rents Defenders to the well-heeled guests. Thus the
Defenders were brought in by the rental company. A friend of mine on
Oahu and myself are quietly waiting for them to go out of business, and
offer the vehicles for sale, so we can get them for pennies on the
dollar (Right, dream on). Just yesterday we were dreaming about buying
the company once it files for bankruptcy, shipping the vehicles to Oahu,
keeping the best ones for ourselves, and selling the rest. It might
happen ( yeah, and monkeys might fly out my butt).

SPYDERS wrote:

> I was on the Island of Lanai (in Hawaii) and saw 12 Defenders in two > > days.

-- 
Wayne R. Haight
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:53:04 -0400
Subject: Chewy bits

Lloyd, i would suggest that a good detergent oil would be a safer method of
cleaning the internals of your gearbox, they used to make flushing oils, a
ten weight, do they still ?
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:02:28 -0400
Subject: Whining sound

Peter,
 I have had experience of a loud whing from the gearbox after changing a
transfer box and also after removing an over drive. The output gear on the
rear of the gearbox mainshaft was the culprit in both cases, they are
helical gears and should normally run  quiet, however there could be some
strange wear characteristics at work here. I have found that changing the
gear solved the problem.
 There are of course plenty of other sources, differentials are a prime
candidate if the tooth clearance is not adjusted properly, or if the oil
level is low, It  is also possible that you have a defective bearing. Who
rebuilt the transfer box when the new gears were fitted. ? Is the output
bearing clearance correct, it is easy to overtightren the taper roller
bearing adjustment at the transfer box output
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:04:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Removing Al Spot Welds

	How do I undo the spot welds on my LR bed?

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:05:49 EDT
Subject: Re: GUNK

In a message dated 20/05/98  19:22:30, you write:

<< I also vote for Simple Green.  Apart from the fact that it works as
 advertised, it is also non-toxic, non-mutagenic, and non-carcinogenic.
  >>

This does sound kinda nice, does anyone know if it, or anything similar, is
available in the UK.? I can't get out to look for it myself for a couple of
weeks and it would be useful to know what to ask for.
TIA

best cheers
Frank

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:06:04 -0700
Subject: RE: Removing Al Spot Welds

With steel, most people just drill them out.

Maybe there's a better technique for Aluminium?  Anybody?

Paul in Victoria.

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From: gruno@att.net.hk (Keith Addison)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:24:06 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: Rag tops

> I have to
>>be careful what I say, she's parked just outside the open door 10 ft away
>>and might hear, but I know she can't read.
>Want to bet? Nigel's Disease has many transmogrifications.........
>Mike Rooth

Damn, I did have a bit of a sinking feeling when I wrote that. No, I don't
want to bet - I've long suspected the beast can read my mind, if not my
screen. Mike, I hate to ask, but what is Nigel's Disease? If you think
ignorance might be bliss, don't tell me, I'm currently not an entirely
happy person, me and the dog just returned from two hours spent ripping
bits out of a long-dead 24V lightweight lying in a rice paddy a few miles
away and I'm covered in mud, WD40, rust and mosquito repellent (which
didn't work), as well as the usual measure of blood, so have mercy!

All best

Keith Addison
Lantau Island
Hong Kong
1973 Series III Military Lightweight

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:31:58 -0600
Subject: Re: GUNK

At 05:05 PM 20/05/98 EDT, Frankelson, wrote

>This does sound kinda nice, does anyone know if it, or anything similar, is
>available in the UK.?

I would think it is.  I just had a look on their web page at URL

http://www.simplegreen.com/ 

and a European distributor is listed in their FAQ page.  There's quite a bit
of information about the stuff on that page but on a quick read through I
didn't see anything about aluminum.  I haven't noticed any problem with the
stuff on aluminum but perhaps I wasn't letting it sit long enough.  I'm
going to try a longer test on some scrap and see what happens.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: gruno@att.net.hk (Keith Addison)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:34:41 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: GUNK

Steve Fullwood wrote:

>I know that rovers are supposed to have oil and grease all over.  But I was
>wondering what the best safe degreasing agent?

A marine engineering company recommended Aquabreak PX made by Unitor
Chemicals Inc., "the best heavy-duty degreaser we've found". It should be
available from US marine supply companies. I haven't tried it, I haven't
managed to find any here in Hong Kong yet. I don't know what it's made of
or how "safe" it is.

All best

Keith Addison
Lantau Island
Hong Kong
1973 Series III Military Lightweight

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From: "Luis Gutierrez" <lgutierr2@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:45:12 PDT
Subject: I prefer LRs to PCs

I'm back.
When I got to the office on monday I began checking mail and then -zap- 
the whole thing stopped. The internet server of the office went dead. I 
have been cut-off from the world for three days.
And its not working yet. I had to subscribe via hotmail to keep in 
touch. Still Nobody knows what is happening with the damn thing.
This list-thing is kind of an addiction, and I dont have my LR yet, 
maybe this weekend.
BTW, I saw the other day a truck parked in an old house garage very 
similar to a SI, but it had a badge that read "AUSTIN"
Does anyone know anything about this 4x4s. Do they have any relation to 
our aluminum friends?

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:04:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Defender : Human ratio

In a message dated 20/05/98  20:38:16, you write:

<< (Right, dream on). Just yesterday we were dreaming about buying
 the company  >>

All together now, sing: 'You gotta have a dream, if you don't have a dream,
how you gonna have a dream come true? Happy talk, keep talking happy talk'
 that part of the world wasn't it?

best cheers

Frank

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:17:37 EDT
Subject: Not an LR, probably a Gypsy...

In a message dated 5/20/98 5:46:54 PM, you wrote:

>BTW, I saw the other day a truck parked in an old house garage very 
>similar to a SI, but it had a badge that read "AUSTIN"
>Does anyone know anything about this 4x4s. Do they have any relation to 
>our aluminum friends?

It probably is a Gypsy. My dad speaks highly of them, but he owns a LR, go
figure.

--pat (whose dad rode up scottish mountains on exeat in them) parsons

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:18:43 EDT
Subject: Re: GUNK

In a message dated 20/05/98  22:34:05, you write:

<< and a European distributor is listed in their FAQ page. >>

Rick

Thank U
I'll have a look for myself

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:18:45 EDT
Subject: Re: I prefer LRs to PCs

In a message dated 20/05/98  22:46:54, you write:

<< similar to a SI, but it had a badge that read "AUSTIN" >>

should be an Austin Gypsy, Austin's attempt at the Land Rover market many
moons ago.
There's a flourishing club in the UK but they never really sold many.
You know about the Austin Champ another 4by which had a Rolls Royce engine do
you?

best cheers

Frank

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From: Cameron Sear <cameron.sear@bne.com.au>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:28:03 +1000
Subject: High Strung...

I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner of their
bullbars and roofrack.
What is the purose of this?

Confused...

Cameron Sear
67 LWB
http://members.tripod.com/~csear

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:32:04 EDT
Subject: Re: High Strung...

In a message dated 20/05/98  23:26:44, you write:

<< I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner of their
 bullbars and roofrack.
 What is the purose of this?
  >>
overhanging branches off trees  slide up the wires and over the roof instead
of taking out a windscreen.

best cheers

Frank

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From: "Luis Gutierrez" <lgutierr2@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:33:37 PDT
Subject: Re: I prefer LRs to PCs

Never heard of any "Austin Champ". Could that be one?

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><< similar to a SI, but it had a badge that read "AUSTIN" >>
>should be an Austin Gypsy, Austin's attempt at the Land Rover market 
many
>moons ago.
>There's a flourishing club in the UK but they never really sold many.
>You know about the Austin Champ another 4by which had a Rolls Royce 
engine do
>you?
>best cheers
>Frank
>  ** 'lro' mailing list information from 
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>you?

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From: "John C. Hinkle" <defender110@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:47:02 -0500
Subject: Re: High Strung...

Deflects tree limbs so they won't hit the windshield.
Chris Hinkle

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From: "Ben Brand" <ben_brand@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:44:34 PDT
Subject: unsubscribe

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:45:39 EDT
Subject: Re:  High Strung...

In a message dated 5/20/98 6:26:44 PM, you wrote:

>I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner of their
>bullbars and roofrack.
>What is the purose of this?
>Confused...

These were developed by SafariGuide, a company that made stick deflectors and
stuff. As mentioned they deflect twigs and stuff away from the windscreen, but
they can also be used to call game. Tighten one tighter than the other, then
pluck with both hands; the resonance of LWB land rovers has been known to
attract bull elephants, hence their popularity with people going on safari.
Elephant populations have dropped dramatically since LR left the african
market... ;-)

Twang away...

--pat.

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From: Huw Jones <desrads@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 22:55:05 +0000
Subject: s3 brake woes

Terje, I had a similar problem with my IIa, caused by the brake shoes
being maladjusted so that they were 'leaning over' and wearing the 
drums more on the outside. Total cure with skimmed drums & oversize
linings with correct adjustment of the supporting strut in the middle 
of the shoes- after endless frustration. All spoiled by an oil leak
almost immediately! Good Luck
Huw Jones

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:44:50 -0400
Subject: Weekend off-road in NH and VT

I'm have been asked by a few people to arrange a weekend off-road trip
covering trails in NH and VT. I certainly know of enough trails in NH but
will need help in VT.

The idea was put to me that we have a weekend event. Start on Friday Evening
with a night drive over easy green lanes. Camp Friday evening. Off-road all
day Saturday and head to VT. Bar-B-Q Saturday evening. Sunday off-road in
VT. Vehicles limited to 10.

Is thought mid to late August well after the 50th in Cortland.  Anyone
interested ??

e-mail me back

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:00:27 -0600
Subject: update on paint job
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Hi all!

I posted a message asking for help on the brush/roller  paint job on =
"The Beast" about a week ago-thought I'd give you all an update.

I'm taking the guys from the FT Pitt groups advice (Sorry can't find =
your name right now!!!) and leaving well enough alone-I'll soon have a =
coat of mud on it anyway!!!

Whilst I had it down for painting, I also stripped out the cab and =
repainted it also. Rewired the dash/instrument panel (the PO and ok,I'll =
admit it,me, had made a bodge of the wiring!!) Put a layer of =
soundproofing/thermal insulation down and covered it with carpet. I can =
actually hear the radio now at speed (odd term for a Series!!!) on the =
interstate!!!

Sprayed the floor in cargo area with pickup bed liner material-this =
ought to stop the "stuff" in the back from sliding around. Painted =
bonnet and tops of wings flat black to stop the sun's glare.

All in all I'm happy I quess! My neighbors like it-it's just that I know =
where the mistakes are and they jump out to me.From 10 feet away you =
can't see the brush marks--quess I'll just take off my bifocals when =
approaching it and put 'em back on when ready to drive away!!!

Thanks for all your advice!!!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:25:58 -0600
Subject: Re: Impending journey

Hey!!!

Come to the Solihull Society National Rally...
June 25 -28 1998
Steamboat Springs, CO

About 2.5 Hours ...make that 3.5 in a 109..Believe me I know!!
>From Evergreen...in a NW direction...

It would be great to have you...PS all the sreies vehicles from Evergreen
will be there!

Your's

John Wood
www.solihullsociety.org

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:55:57 -0400
Subject: Re: the saga continues

Now / Now - I am very  (Quote). disappointed. There was no mention of the
proud owners of these fine works of art. Not only that there was no
description of the of the fine works of art these proud owners own. So I
don't think it was very nice of  Michael to come back and put a name of the
proud owner of a very big dog to my story. There is nothing left to say. I
am lost for words. (ROO)  

----------
> From: d.h.lowe <dhlowe@idirect.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: the saga continues
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 9:41 AM
> I know, I know but what can you do.Wait until Ottawa I will use him for
> wheel grip. In the meantime I am training my little puppy to cock his leg

on
> his wheels. Talk about galvanic corrosion..Larry phoned ,he is moving
north
> east from San Diego after spending a few days in the Baha .He spoke to
Brett
> and told him about losing oil from his front swivel
housing..........seems
> he had lost a bolt from the bottom bearing pin !!!!!! the other three
were
> also loose..... no lock tabs I guess. Last week he had to remove his rear
> diff to tighten the ring gear bolts. BUT he came out with the classic
> comment that he is having a good time ....."but I am disappointed in the
> truck"........Its never the owner, always the vehicle........Boy oh boy
is
> he in for a royal slagging when he gets back.
> Michael Fredette wrote:
> > Dave Lowe,
> >      Looks like "Mary" is at it again, more veiled insults. Dirty
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
> wheel grip. In the meantime I am training my little puppy to cock his leg

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:58:07 -0400
Subject: Re: I prefer LRs to PCs

Austin Champ

----------
> From: Luis Gutierrez <lgutierr2@hotmail.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: I prefer LRs to PCs
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 5:45 PM
> I'm back.
> When I got to the office on monday I began checking mail and then -zap- 
> the whole thing stopped. The internet server of the office went dead. I 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Does anyone know anything about this 4x4s. Do they have any relation to 
> our aluminum friends?

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: update on paint job

>I'm taking the guys from the FT Pitt groups advice (Sorry can't find =
>your name right now!!!) and leaving well enough alone-I'll soon have a =
>coat of mud on it anyway!!!
Glad to hear it!!!  I'll soon be in your area??  I'm moving to Evergreen in
3 weeks.  See you at a Solihull Society meeting sometime soon..

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:45:46 EDT
Subject:  Re:  Simple Green

Try using Marine Clean, made by the POR 15 folks.  It's about $15 for a
gallon. 

I just used it to clean my Salisbury axle prior to installation and it does an
amazing job, is organic (I believe--haven't gotten the bottle out of my
friend's garage yet so can't check it), and leaves NO residue once you rinse
it off.  

Bill Rice
64 109 SW

PS--thanks for all the invites for my trip--anyone want to do a leg w/ me?

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:46:29 EDT
Subject: squeaky brakes

Hi everybody,
Just put new front brake drums on and apparently I failed to get out all that
sticky anti-rust stuff prior to installation.  Soon had high-volume screech
that embarassed me at large intersections.  Took drums off last night, sanded
(very fine grit) inside of drums gently, scuffed brake shoes up, cleaned
everything off w/ brake cleaner.  

Didn't work for long, although right away it seemed to have been a success,
but now they're still squealing.

Has that stuff contaminated my shoes permanently?  Are new shoes the only
answer?

Thanks for any sage advice.

Bill

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:51:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Removing Al Spot Welds

Spot welds can be drilled out with a twist drill, but if you want to
minimize damage to the second layer use a "spot weld bit" which
Eastwoods among others sell. It allows the pieces to be plug welded back
together if desired.

Regards,
David Cockey

Peter M. Kaskan wrote:

>         How do I undo the spot welds on my LR bed?

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:55:42 -0400
Subject: Re: High Strung...

And slice flesh off bones if a pedestrian or cyclist hits them. Years
ago I slide into the forestay of a sailboat when it ran aground, and the
stay neatly sliced 3" gash in my knee. I hate to think what could happen
if someone running wires had a collision (even low speed) with a cyclist
or pedestrian. Take them off when operating on the public road. There
aren't any tree limbs to protect against there.

Regards,
David Cockey

> << I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner
> of their
>  bullbars and roofrack.
>  What is the purose of this?
> overhanging branches off trees  slide up the wires and over the roof
> instead
> of taking out a windscreen.

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:47:44 -0600
Subject: Re: squeaky brakes

At 10:46 PM 20/05/98 EDT, Jarvis 64, wrote

>sticky anti-rust stuff prior to installation.  Soon had high-volume screech
>that embarassed me at large intersections. 

I hate to sound like I work for the company, which I do not, but Simple
Green is terrific for cleaning that anti-rust stuff off.  

(I also rave about WD40)

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:04:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Stage One V8 Exhaust Manifold

Have to disagree. I have just been through my microfiche and find the
following..............Vehicles built to ECE 15.03 standard....Left hand drive
ONLY. use part no.7176 for the right hand manifold and 7174 for the left hand
manifold.
Detoxed engines up to engine no. 11G00855 use part no.ERC4720 for the right hand
manifold and ERC3101 for the non detoxed right hand manifold. The left hand
manifold is ERC3482    These are all 109 V8 numbers.    The Range Rover 
manifolds
up to Oct 1985  are  ERC5925 right hand and ERC5069 left hand for engines 11D.
15D. 16D. 17D. 19D. 20D. 21D.................Detoxed engines 355,359 suffix A,B
use 611520 r.h. and also ERC3101 r.h  the left hand is ERC5069 
.........Australia
vehicles ,engines 398 suffix F. use ERC2994 r.h. and ERC2992 l.h. .........I 
have
been through later R.R, 110, and 90 ( which have another large list of 
manifolds)
and cannot find a 2995 If  your manifold is the plain rounded type with a centre
outlet pointing straight down  and no heater box  you might try a SDI car
manifold.

> << 'm in need of a new (Right Hand) Exhaust manifold for my Stage One V8 109.
>  Mine's cracked and the Rover# is ERC2995.  The problem is that nobody has any
>  record of that number existing.   >>
> Ted,
> I've got part no ERC 7174 for left hand drive (ERC 7176 right hand drive) in
> my parts book. Try your dealer on that.

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> best cheers
> Frank

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnung_Jensen?=" <bjjen13b@online.no>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:27:51 +0200
Subject: Re: High Strung...

They are also a potential lethal in even minor impacts with pedestrians. I
would suggest taking them off when back on public roads.

Bjørnung Jensen
Norway

<< I've seen a few rovers with tightly strung wire between the corner of
their
bullbars and roofrack.
What is the purose of this?
  >>
overhanging branches off trees  slide up the wires and over the roof instead
of taking out a windscreen.

------------------------------

From: gruno@att.net.hk (Keith Addison)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:43:09 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: update on paint job

Hi Art

Radio? Gosh - and you can hear it?

>Put a layer of =
>soundproofing/thermal insulation down and covered it with carpet.

What sort of soundproofing/thermal insulation did you use? I can take the
din, but my beast gets damn hot down there on the floor round the gearbox
housing (is that a standard ailment??) and it's going to be downright
unpleasant come midsummer.

All best

Keith Addison
Lantau Island
Hong Kong
1973 Series III Military Lightweight

------------------------------

From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:07:15 EDT
Subject: Re: I prefer LRs to PCs

In a message dated 20/05/98  23:35:32, you write:

<< Never heard of any "Austin Champ". Could that be one?
  >>
Yr first mailing said it looked like a Ser 1, that's the Austin Gypsy. The
Champ looked more Jeep-like.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:07:25 EDT
Subject: Re: update on paint job

In a message dated 21/05/98  01:08:17, you write:

<< All in all I'm happy I quess! My neighbors like it-it's just that I know =
 where the mistakes are and they jump out to me.From 10 feet away you =
 can't see the brush marks >>

You got better eyesight than me. Takes me and a friend two and a half hours to
paint my 110 and you can't see the brush marks from six feet away. Or are we
just more skillful and artistic :-)>

best cheers

Frank

PS did my trailler the other week, 27 minutes from picking the brush up (6ft x
4ft all metal)

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:44:45 +0000
Subject: Re: 88" and sideshafts after 1980

the story I was told was that they only changed the number of splines on
>the outside - which is easy to handle: just put new flanges on.
Would that it were that simple.But I'm deeply suspicious that its not.
These things never are.Anyone with a late S111 who's had the halfshafts
out?
Mike Rooth

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