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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 01 May 98 08:12:28 EST
Subject: Re: "Rolling Chassis" vs. "Parts Car" 

>"Rolling Chassis?"

doesn't have to include enginie, etc. Frame. axles, and suspension.
>.
>Would a bodyless vehicle with a shot frame, transmission, swivel balls, 
>springs .....etc. be a "Rolling Chassis," a "Parts Car," or a "Pile of 
>Junk?"

depends on whether anything else is useful. Parts car is generally synonymous 
with pile of junk though.

later
DaveB
72 SIII "None of the above, thank god"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 01 May 98 08:29:54 EST
Subject: Re: aaargh!

>Also, the dealership hired a "valet service"...Then they came in looking for 
>me, to move my "land crui*er"! 

An insult to you, and it makes LRNA look like so many silly arse's for hiring 
those dimwits. How can a dealership end up having people work there who DON"T 
EVEN KNOW WHAT KIND OF VEHICLES THEY ARE SELLING!!!
this wasn't even a series, mind you, it was pat's 110. Jesus H. Christ this is 
appalling.
LR Centre my ptooty...

Too bad we can't report them like we do bars that don't know how to pour 
Guinness!

later
DaveB
...the woods are lovely, dark and deep, I could run LRNA better *in my sleep*..

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:38:10 EDT
Subject: Re:  LRNA 50th celebration

In a message dated 4/30/98 10:39:43 PM, you wrote:

>Then we were told that LRNA had
>picked our dealer as one of the two to give the vintage Rover away , low and
>behold they picked my name. Absolutely couldn`t believe it!!!

Neither can I ;-)  I'm absolutely thrilled that someone from the LRO list won
something that great from LRNA!

--pat.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 01 May 98 08:37:50 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Disco fording depth

> but if you e-mail  Dave "Pit Bull on Thorazine"Bobeck directly, he can 
>tell you how deep the water was that I drove through.

It was only hub deep, just like I told you...:)

That is, the hub of the spare on me bonnet....

btw, I just had this image of a pit bull on thorazine:
Snoring and gnawing drowsily at a 2 x 4 locked in it jaws.

not something I picture myself doing much of. Al, where the HELL did you come 
up with the thorazine bit? You getting high on Plegde again?

later
DaveB

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:52:22 EDT
Subject: I still can't believe it!

Rick, I still can't believe it was you who won! Last night, I was thinking oh,
it is probably some RR-driving dentist (from a state beginning in "C") who'll
win it, then it won't meet his bleached wife's standards, so they'll basically
end up giving it to his partner who lost everything in the malpractice suit...

Oh the scenario got worse!

So, go get it, and give us the trail ride report when it happens...

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:59:35 -0400
Subject: Pit bulls on Thorazine - and LR owners (does contain LR content..

Dave B asks:
>Al, where the HELL did you come
>up with the thorazine bit?
>You getting high on Plegde again?

Nay, nay, friend Bobeck. It's just that you're such a nice normal guy until
something sets you off - rather like a pit bull on Thorazine till it wears
off...

Then, God help whoever gave him the shot. 8*)

BTW, how's the 2 x 4 supply holding up? 8*>

Re: Pledge (and furniture polish in general):

Y'know, NOT ONE person at the LR dealership last night questioned the
walnut dash. The CD player, yes ("Was that a Land-Rover option?"), the GPS
mount, yes, but NOBODY (of the 50 people or so who sat in the driver's
seat) even questioned the walnut...

I shoulda gone with diamond-plate...8*)

               aj"Had a good time on the track, though!"r

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From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Disco fording depth

First, subscribe to:

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Before you get flamed to eternity.

Second, if it's going to be more than just dirt roads, remove (where
applicable)

factory brush guard
running boards
rear hydraulic step
rear bumper end caps
front spoiler
front bumper end caps
any other OEM stuff that hangs down below the level of the bumpers, except
the receiver hitch--which makes a lot of noise but is pretty indestructable.

and be prepared for serious paint scratches and rear lower quarter panel
damage.

as they say: "Been there, done that."

Third, make sure your tires are at least the stock Michelins w/plenty
o'tread or something more agressive

On wading: I never did get my yard stick out to measure depth, but if you
e-mail  Dave "Pit Bull on Thorazine"Bobeck directly, he can tell you how
deep the water was that I drove through.

Good Luck

>From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:42:35 -0400
>Subject: Disco fording depth
>Hi everyone, in about 2 weeks, I'm going to take my Disco for its first
>off-road adventure, should I get skid plates first?  Also, does anyone
>know of a safe fording depth, because I bought it used and it doesn't
>have a booklet, thanks!

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:01:37 EDT
Subject: CT Disco in FL! (& NJ!!)

Ok folks, I hate to start this up again, because I have surrendered and joined
the it-can't-be-done-club, BUT, it has been done, twice.

There's a Camel Trophy Discovery from Mongolia here in Florida. With Florida
tags that say Palm Beach on the bottom. With TDI engine. Stickers, racks,
winch, you name it... I just didn't see the kayak on top. Nothing special or
sneaky about how it came in, either. It is currently at Land Rover North Dade,
with the interior bars and dash apart. The owner (who bought it at auction in
Mongolia) is having a/c installed, and power locks/windows. $$$, I know.

Anyway, the mechanic I asked at the 50th yesterday told me it is owned by a
lawyer from the Boca/Palm Beach area who brought it in under the One-car-per-
lifetime rule. He (the mechanic) told me that after the CT, two discos were
left with the Mongolians, who auctioned them off... this guy got one for
himself and the other for a friend in NJ who also brought it in.

Now these cars are registered for the street, just like my rover; no funny
manufacturer's tags, or voodoo here...

Anyway, I'd like to find this guy and play the 21questions game...  maybe he
can add to that FAQ page.

Before anyone loads up their flame thrower, remember, I'm just relating what I
saw first hand, not what someone's dreaming about doing...

--pat.

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:23:54 -0400
Subject: Re: CT Disco in FL! (& NJ!!)

A Lawyer Hu?  Go back & get his Plate # & run him through Florida DMV.
Unless Florida restricts the info you should be able to get his name &
address.  I always like the idea of free legal advise.  Especially when they
practice what they preach!  Good Luck!

Drew.
drewteri@concentric.net
(109 - Still Looking)

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:31:10 -0700
Subject: Re: LRNA 50th celebration

That would be stunning!!  Outstanding on the score. It does appear your card
is full!!!!!  Maybe a public auction to pay off that BMW - unless you got
the Z3 through moorings.

David - with only one Land Rover and a few spare parts - because I live on a
sailboat.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:37:42 -0700 
Subject: FW: Sighting - 101 FC in Seattle

Received this post on the BC Land Rover list and thought that some might
find it interesting.

Forwarded with permission.

Paul in Victoria.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:46:56 -0700 
Subject: FW: Sighting - 101 FC in Seattle

Doh!  o.k.  one more try:

Here is that post again 

From:	S.D.Byers [SMTP:byers@stat.washington.edu]
Sent:	Friday, May 01, 1998 9:21 AM
To:	bclandrover@ics.bc.ca
Subject:	Sighting

****    The BC Land Rover Mailing List    ****

Here in Seattle a 1972-73 101FC fresh off the boat from the UK. Released
from the MOD recently. I got a good look, may post pics later. Very
clean
V8, body OK, chassis looked great, canvas top, new seats, extended
legroom, resprayed in NATO green/black, PTO & winch intact. All the
little
external things were missing, like fire extinguisher, axe etc.

It was being imported by Terry Neal at Mountain Rovers
http://www.wtp.net/rovers/

Very nice piece of metal. Wasn't there a 101FC owner on this list in BC
someplace?

			SDB

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From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:55:22 -0500
Subject: Gapping 7:1 Plugs

My IIa ha recently been re-headed with a rehabbed 7:1 head (from the 
original, cracked 8:1).  I'll be replacing the 12NY plugs that are in it 
now with the plugs that are recommended for the 7:1 (can't remember the 
name, right now).  Do I gap these .028 to .032 like the old Champions, or 
is there a different gap preferred?

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:56:15 -0700
Subject: Re: muddy oval society

If you want to see it, just go to the RoverWeb, into the area where the
D90/110 VINs are listed and pick one.  I didn't have the VIN for my 110
handy and got it out of there.  Mine's #24/500, and you all have my
permission to use the VIN to get into the "exclusive" pages.  But
there's not a lot there, anyway.

C

Tim Harincar wrote:
> So, I noticed this "restricted" part of the LR web site today. Have to
> enter a VIN to get in. Of course, the damn thing doesn't take series
> serial numbers (Oh, I could hack it easily, but what's the point).
> Question is, does one want to be a member of this that is a series
> owner? Do we get free stuff? Even flyers in the mail? Free drinks?
> What's behind the magic door, people. Fess up. Or is this strictly for
> new purchasers of late model coilers? I'll push 'em to make the site
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> http://www.camworks.com
> Internet Solutions that Power Business

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:57:32 -0700
Subject: Re: windshield washers

On the Genuine stuff, the switch is like twice as much as the rest of th
kit.

C
Still waiting on my pump and switch.

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> JC Whitney has an easy to install, inexpensive aftermarket kit - non
> original of course!
> David

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:48:48 -0400
Subject: Brush on bedliner

Followed a link from one of the banner ads on RoverWeb and came across a
product called Durabak(R). It's a brush/roll on polyurethane coating that
incorporates ground up recycled tires for a grippy texture. Their WWW site
can be found at
http://www.truckworld.com/cote-l/index.html. It has technical data and an
interesting "How To" review from one of the offroad mags. Offroad.com
(RoverWeb hosts--so follow one of their links to the mother site so they
get credit!) also has a review at
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/suzuki/reviews/durabak.htm

I was thinking about a sprayed liner for FINSUP's tub but now I'm
considering this product 'cuz I can do it myself. Although thinner than the
spray-in liners, the product adheres to itself and thus is repairable if
cut. (And thin isn't necessarily bad in my book.) Cost is $99/gal for black
or $119/gal for colors. Supposedly a gallon is enough to do a normal pickup
bed so it should be plenty for my purposes.

They're sending me a sample chip. I asked for the light blue--which will
no doubt be a horrible match with the marine blue. So I've probably got to
decide between black or one of two shades of gray. Any "designers" out
there have an opinion.

If the stuff works out nicely, the roll bar and new rock sliders might get
a coat as well...

Floorboards-n-footwells? Tranny cover?  Inside of the toolbox??? (Ever
since I painted the hitch I've been on a "clean it up it with shiny paint"
kick.)

RoverOn!

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Macintosh Systems Consultant
Phone     (212) 649-2322
FAX        (212) 957-8524
mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com

To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com
Remember, the subject line must include
NMC MAC "Brief Description"

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Fri, 01 May 1998 22:06:04 +0200
Subject: How set timing?

Dear list,

After two hectic weeks of work I now have time to finally fix the timing
chain. I dont want to spend half a day taking everything apart again just
because the timing was wrong so I need some advice concerning how to set
the timing. The cranksahft wheel is no problem, just to set the flywheel at
the EP mark but the camshaft wheel is more problematic. My manual tells me
to use a dial gauge unit to measure exactly when the no. 1 exhaust valve is
fully opened (by pinpoint it from both directions). There must be other
ways to measure this. Bill Leacock told me that a diesel engine needs a
perfect timing and that it is a very good idea to use one of these
instruments. Alternatively he told me it is possible to use a ruler but
that it isn´t as exact. In the LR FAQ Alan Richer suggest using a pencil
and a sheet of paper to find out when the valve is fully open. Are there
other suggestions out there on how to do this? A dual gauge unit is very
expensive and I have actually never seen one here in Sweden so getting one
is not an option. I ordered all the spare parts from FamousFour in England
and the new camshaft chainwheel is marked with two "P" marks,one at the
center and one at one of the teeth. I assume these marks are for setting
the timing in a petrol engine but can I have some use of these marks?

With th etwo following questions I am sure I will be this days laughing
matter. Th equestions are very basic which I previously thought I was sure
of. I need to know which valve is the no. 1 valve? I was sure it was the
one in the front end of the engine but the more I think of it the more
unsure I get... I also need to know the direction of the engine rotation.
Once again I was sure it was clockwise but just to be sure I ask the list.
I am always glad if I make someone happy so please make fun of my obvious
lack of knowledge...

All the best,

Peter
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:11:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Jeff Berg wrote:

> I was thinking about a sprayed liner for FINSUP's tub but now I'm
> considering this product 'cuz I can do it myself. Although thinner than the
> spray-in liners, the product adheres to itself and thus is repairable if

I don't understand the attraction of these things.  They sort of make
sense if you have a steel bed pickup that you haul nasty things around in.
But I don't see what use they have in a Land-Rover.  You will never get
this stuff off, so if you decide that you don't want to live with it, you
are out of luck.  

David

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From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:13:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

At 03:48 PM 5/1/98 -0400, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

<SNIP>
(Ever since I painted the hitch I've been on a "clean it up it with shiny
paint" kick.)
</SNIP>

Blasphemy :)

Hey it may even keep down some road noise.
Mike Johnson
'74 SIII 88 (Chester)
***This space available***
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:25:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

>>>>> "David" == David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> writes:

    David> I don't understand the attraction of these things.
    David> They sort of make sense if you have a steel bed
    David> pickup that you haul nasty things around in.  But I
    David> don't see what use they have in a Land-Rover.  You
    David> will never get this stuff off, so if you decide
    David> that you don't want to live with it, you are out of
    David> luck.

You mean you don't haul nasty stuff around in your Rover?
I'm thinking about this sort of thing since I seem to have
ended up with a soft-top Rover for the nonce, and it'll
probably spend a great deal of time topless.  (Speaking
of which, anyone know where I can lay my hands on a hard
top for a SIII 109" ?).
						-MM

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:11:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

On Fri, 1 May 1998, "Mr. Mike" Passaretti wrote:

> You mean you don't haul nasty stuff around in your Rover?
> I'm thinking about this sort of thing since I seem to have
> ended up with a soft-top Rover for the nonce, and it'll
> probably spend a great deal of time topless.  (Speaking
> of which, anyone know where I can lay my hands on a hard
> top for a SIII 109" ?).

I carry stuff around, sure.  I also know how to use a hose.  

> 						-MM
> I'm thinking about this sort of thing since I seem to have
> ended up with a soft-top Rover for the nonce, and it'll

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 01 May 98 17:06:40 EST
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

>>I was thinking about a sprayed liner for FINSUP's tub 

why. these things are made to seal steel panels that are prone to rust. no need 
on a series tub. 

>>They're sending me a sample chip. I asked for the light blue--

not a designer per se, but have better taste than most of them. Leave the 
tub standard.

>If the stuff works out nicely, the roll bar and new rock sliders might 
>get a coat as well...

eh? why bother...just get scraped off by rocks and trees and people and stuff.

>Floorboards-n-footwells?...etc...
 
no. need to be able to take those out. would have to do it in pieces, 
which defeats the prupose of putting that goo on there in the first place.

>Inside of the toolbox??? 

grey. if only to keep the rattling down. does it leak much?
grey would be easier to see dirt and stuff on when you are vaccuuming it 
out.

>(Ever since I painted the hitch I've been on a "clean it up it with shiny 
>paint" kick.)

you scare me jeff.

later
DaveB

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:34:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Brush on bedliner

See also: www.lava-liner.com

I, too, went through this phase just a few months ago. How to resolve the
issues brought up by Dave has put it on a back burner for now. FWIW, I also
got a sample of the DIY stuff. I found it to be 1/2 the thickness, more
flexible and appeared porous, as compared to Rhino & Bullhide
(www.rhinolinings.com & www.bullhide.com) which were both too similar to tell
the difference. All products claim self-adhesion for reparability, etc.

I was thinking of taking out the floorplates & inspection panels, etc., and
doing from the toe-area in the front back to the rear door, up to the tops of
the seatboxes and to the undersides of the rear body cappings. 

My hopes were for:
-loads wouldn't slide & scrape around
-noise & vibrations would be diminished (ala dynamat application)
-heat coming up would be diminished
-whatever else happens

pat.

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From: "Alberto =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?Guimar=E3es"?= <a.guimaraes@mailcity.com>
Date: 	Fri, 01 May 1998 15:14:05 -0700
Subject: LR parts wanted - URGENT!!

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