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1 kerryscott@usa.net 25Safari Roof Shipment
2 Paul Wakefield - Serco [24re: fuel_additive
3 kelliott@intranet.ca (Ke6[not specified]
4 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd40Re: speedo (FFR)
5 LEBLANC_CJ 29IIA SERVICE MANUALS
6 David Scheidt [david@inf22Re: speedo (FFR)
7 LEBLANC_CJ 31RE: Station Wagons, Safari Models - std items
8 Tim Harincar [harincar@C64Re: Station Wagon, Safari Models-std items
9 "Spencer K. C. Norcross"30re: vibrating windows on disco
10 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa26Re: Disco fording depth
11 "Chris Dillard"[cdillard20Re: muddy oval society
12 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml12RE: IIA SERVICE MANUALS - Optional Equipment Catalogue
13 "richard a. nicotra" [ni10disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights
14 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com19Re: Station Wagon, f#$%ing windshield washers
15 "David and Cynthia Walke32Re: disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights
16 "David and Cynthia Walke9windshield washers
17 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml15RE: Station Wagon, Safari Models-std items
18 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus52CB Master bleeding
19 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi29Re: CB Master bleeding
20 Tim Harincar [harincar@C28RE: Station Wagons
21 David Scheidt [david@inf17RE: Station Wagons
22 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns17Re: IIA SERVICE MANUALS
23 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns15Re: vibrating windows on disco
24 Mohammed Taheri [mrbeans23Re: Disco fording depth
25 Mohammed Taheri [mrbeans16Re: disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights
26 asfco [asfco@banet.net> 21Re: Rovers for sale
27 "Clark, Patrick D." [Cla16Overdrive...worth the cost?
28 Chris Swart [swartc@iafr15Re: vibrating windows on disco
29 David Russell [David_R@m57Re: Disco fording depth
30 David Scheidt [david@inf35Re: Overdrive...worth the cost?
31 Olafur Agust Axelsson [o22Starting in cold weather!
32 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com21aaargh!
33 RykRover [RykRover@aol.c19LRNA 50th celebration
34 nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs18"Rolling Chassis" vs. "Parts Car"
35 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet17Re: LRNA 50th celebration
36 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi28Re: LRNA 50th celebration
37 "drew squires" [drewteri13Re: LRNA 50th celebration
38 Steve Mace [steve@solwis31Re: Starting in cold weather!


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From: kerryscott@usa.net
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:26:50
Subject: Safari Roof Shipment

Many thanks to everyone who took time to offer advice on getting a safari roof 
from upstate New York to Virginia.
 I'd have loved to have made the drive, but there was not enough time before 
the PO shipped out to Okinawa.  Here's what we did:

I contacted a moving company in the town where the PO lived.  For $100 they 
picked up the roof, took it to their warehouse, packaged it and called the 
common
carrier I selected to come pick it up.  It was wrapped in multiple layers of 
cotton batting and corrugated sheets.  They were careful to mark it "do not 
double stack"  and the carrier was careful. It was
shipped flat.  It arrived 2 days later, none the worse for wear.  Kudos to 
Felice Trucking in Rome, New York and Preston Trucking.  The LTL charges are 
supposed to come in at about $55.

Thanks again for everyone's help.

Kerry Scott
1970 IIA 88" (soon with safari roof)

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:05:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: fuel_additive

Alessandro Castellana <kastel@tor.it> wrote:
> I have a 69SIIA 88 ser# 27105726C and a78SIII 88  ser#90920883A
> Do you know fuel_additive to reduce the smoke?

Alessandro

Petrol or Diesel ? I assume if you are in Italy it will be a diesel !

It depends what is causing your smoke. If the Oil control rings on the pistons 
are shot or your injectors are worn etc then no amount of fuel additive will 
stop it smoking.

If the engine is just 'coked' you could try some "Redex" additives, but I 
haven't seen them here, only in the UK.

Ciao,

Paul.

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From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:16:33 -0400 (EDT)

unsubscribe lro

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:15:34 +0100
Subject: Re: speedo (FFR)

I don't know about repairs.   I could do with mine working anyway - whether
it needs it for the MoT or not (2 sources say I don't).  I also need some
other work doing for it.

Gurkhas:   A British Army Regiment made of people (Gurkhas in fact!!) from
the Himalaya. A tradition going back to the last century, but they have
been downsized in the past 20 yrs or so.
One of the more famous regiments.   I should put some WWW links on my
pages.

If they were in the US Army, there'd be at least half a dozen blockbuster
films about them...    :-)

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be on 04/30/98 09:01:52 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  speedo (FFR)

Sorry, wrong return adress (that happens when you're using the same
computer
with a  lot of people)
My speedo died 2 months ago and I passed MoT last week (in Belgium).
BTW, can a speedo be repaired ? He's still counting the number of miles
(km's) but the needle won't move.
And another BTW: something I want to ask you already a long time ago: what
means ex-Gurkha ?
Philippe Carchon
Ghent, Belgium
'80 FFR lightweight.

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From: LEBLANC_CJ 
</DD.XMRROUTE=Leblanc#l#u#r#Cj#l#a#r#AM#l#a#r#I22005/@csc-scc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 30 Apr 1998 12:30:24 +0000
Subject: IIA SERVICE MANUALS

Yahoo!

Yes dear I'll keep it down.

Just received my factory manuals in the mail, part 1 and 2.  It's like
the Haynes book on reeeal good steroids.  After pricing the manuals at a
few LR parts place in the US and Canada I decided to buy from LR*SH*P. 
My Visa bill came in at $136 Cdn for both manuals including surface mail
delivery charge.  One place in Canada wanted a couple of hundred dollars
plus taxes and delivery for part 1 only.  Going through some an old
(1995) parts catalogue from a company in the US I found that they were
asking $126.  Living in Canada I would of have to add currency exchange
(40%) plus duty, plus taxes, plus a handling fee.  I was looking at
least $200.         
No kickbacks here folks, just looking for the best deal so I can keep 
(afford) on scraping knuckles, using four letter words, throwing tools
around.  Funny this fascination with Land Rovers.

Charles LeBlanc
CHARLES.LEBLANC@ATL.csc-scc.csc-scc.X400.gc.ca
69 IIA 88
96 Polaris XCR 600 (The winter thing) 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:34:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: speedo (FFR)

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Richard Marsden wrote:

> I don't know about repairs.   I could do with mine working anyway - whether
> it needs it for the MoT or not (2 sources say I don't).  I also need some
> other work doing for it.

There is a company in the US that rebuilds british speedos, so I expect
you can find one in the UK.  If your needle doesn't move, but your
odometer works, then what you have is a physical connection where you
should have a magnetic one.  A careful (don't lose anything!) cleaning
might solve your problem, at least in the short term.  Of course, i have
had the same problem for going on 8,000 miles, and haven't done anything.
Yesterday or the day before, the little post that needle rests on at 0
broke off, and the needle makes 1500 complete revolutions per mile.  

David/mr sinclair

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From: LEBLANC_CJ 
</DD.XMRROUTE=Leblanc#l#u#r#Cj#l#a#r#AM#l#a#r#I22005/@csc-scc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 30 Apr 1998 13:16:42 +0000
Subject: RE: Station Wagons, Safari Models - std items 

Hello Tim

My 88 is a 69, #24435718F.  Some call it a transitional vehicle others a
bug eye, as the front head lights protrude from the fenders (we are not
talking Light Weight here folks).  It has rear bench seats, black
interior trim, head protection padding in the rear, one piece back door,
opens to the side, 15" wheels, spare tire carrier on back door and
behind front seats, plain roof with sliding side windows (seems to me I
read somewhere that tropical roofs were only available in the early
sixties on North American 88s) front locking hubs, door locks.  I have,
somewhere, an OVLR club newsletter, not sure of the month but I think
it's from 1997, that has an original advertisement of this vehicle
(transitional) with all it's listed options.  I believe they referred to
it as a Station Wagon but it did not have the Station Wagon badge.  Come
to think of it another newsletter has an advertisement for a later IIA
with head lights a la Series III with a list of options.  There was also
an article on late North American IIA in a LROI magazine 94 or 95, I
think. 
If you wish I can snail mail you a photo copy of these advertisements. 
Hope this helps.

Charles LeBlanc
69 IIA 88
CHARLES.LEBLANC@ATL.csc-scc.csc.scc.X400.gc.ca     

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@Camworks.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:05:10 -0500
Subject: Re:  Station Wagon, Safari Models-std items

Bonnet - Mine is dished ('66 88 SW). I don't doubt that it is original
as there is no other paint color, and the Poppy Reds seem to be one of
the lesser represented colors. I also don't think the PO had the
wherewithal to change it out - not his style. His style was buy cheap
parts from AB and have a local garage do the dirty work.

So, it's becoming apparent that there really may be no rule we can
apply. Some things, though; it appears that alpine windows may have only
been added to Station Wagons (those with the 318 serno, at least), and
possibly the split jump seats as well. Also, I guess I haven't heard of
a dished bonnet on a non-SW either. The rest seems like it appeared on
all models as options, with the last hold out being side steps - haven't
been able to determine for sure when/where these were used, except that
mine had them until they rusted off (I had to cut off remnants when I
replaced the frame...).

Seems I got lucky with this one, though -  I had no idea what I was
buying when I bought it. It has a lot of the goodies - though I can't
for the life of me figure out why they didn't put f#$%ing windshield
washers in it... 

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, St. Paul, MN
http://www.camworks.com
Internet Solutions that Power Business 

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:25:32 -0500
Subject: Re:  Station Wagon, Safari Models-std items

> I was told that the dished bonnets
> were available only on 109" S.W.s.  I don't know that this information
is
> 100% correct for all models, though I was told that this was the way
it was
> for 1958-61 Series IIs.  Maybe things changed for the later models....

Brian
1960 Series II 88" S.W.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:40:23 -0700
Subject: RE: Station Wagon, Safari Models - std items

> For comparison, My friends 1969 88 suffix G (with birth certificate)
has
> sliding rear windows, a station wagon back door, full interior trim,
> deluxe heater, but no tropical roof or alpine windows, and does _not_
> have the Station Wagon name plate.  i.e. just a normal Land Rover.

Paul in Victoria

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From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <snorcross@spectator.org>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:11:33 -0400
Subject: re: vibrating windows on disco

Taylor <mrbeans@bellsouth.net> writes...

> Hi everyone, on my '95 Disco, when I leave the windows down about 4
snip, snip, snip (brevity alert!!)
> speed, it's the same on all four windows.  Is this normal?  Is there 

yes, it is called wind, they are more familiar with this on the COIL
SPRUNG LIST as with our vehicles the only vibration we can feel is that
of the engine...

> something that I can "stick down there" to minimize this vibration? 

try the ECU, i dont believe it is good for anything else, if that fails
try a crowbar or big piece of rebar.

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA
1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Kimayo <- Just add bolts  :-0
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

Q. Why do they call it a kilt?
A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Disco fording depth

>Hi everyone, in about 2 weeks, I'm going to take my Disco for its first
>off-road adventure, should I get skid plates first?  Also, does anyone
>know of a safe fording depth, because I bought it used and it doesn't
>have a booklet, thanks!
>Mohammed Taheri

 THe fording depth of a Disco can be affeced by many things.  The biggest
factor in determining fording depth is the height of the driver.  This is a
factor because of the "height of air intake " on the driver, which some
would refer to as "nostrel height".  A taller person will have a very
distinct advantage in deep water situations for obvious reasons. Taking
this in to account, even if you are a dwarf named Hank, you can sit on a
few phone books and get those little nostrels well up into the air and keep
on truckin'..

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:24:20 -0400
Subject: Re: muddy oval society

FYI
I can assure you that there is no great pleasure in entering this
"EXCLUSIVE" area. Basically you are only missing advertising for THE
LODGE!!!!  It's all the same stuff that LRNA mailed out in the "The Lodge"
packet .  No big deal. Your not missing much!

Oh BTW, I rec'd my rejection letter from LRNA apologizing for not selecting
me for the Lodge give away, but reminding me that there would be other
"EXCITING" offers coming soon , and that their dealer network was going to
be offering  more exclusive adventures for their customers?? (Whatever that
means)

Cheers,
Chris

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:37:19 -0700
Subject: RE: IIA SERVICE MANUALS - Optional Equipment Catalogue

If you really want to wet your pants, you should order the optional
parts catalogue as well.  It's only about 20 quid.  It's chock full of
bizarre Land Rover optional parts (probably most NLA)

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:20:14 -0400
Subject: disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights

I was keeping quiet in the hopes that Dave Bobeck would have convinced
Mohammed that he is on the wrong list, but . . .

Mohammed, please subscribe to the coil sprung digest.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:08:43 EDT
Subject: Re:  Station Wagon, f#$%ing windshield washers

In a message dated 4/30/98 10:09:17 AM, you wrote:

>Seems I got lucky with this one, though -  I had no idea what I was
>buying when I bought it. It has a lot of the goodies - though I can't
>for the life of me figure out why they didn't put f#$%ing windshield
>washers in it...

Maybe because they figured the wipers were for when it was raining... lazy
buggers. At least they didn't give you washers that got pressure from the
spare tire, like VW's of that era  (although, with a bonnet mounted spare, it
could easily have happened).

--pat.

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:41:36 -0700
Subject: Re: disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights

Maybe he is thinking of trading up!? Go easy on the non-leafs, they are not
a spy! They are our comrades off road!!

Warning, my windows (D 90) rattle - I can just hear them over everything
else!  :-0
Take you disco wading as soon as you can - I pulled one out in Canada and
his only comment was 'the dealer said this has door seals - the door seals
leak' as they opened the door with wet cardboard protecting the carpet. You
will figure out the depth you can go through - I usually say that if I would
walk across with out getting my **** wet (32 inch inseam, 34 ground to
barbwire clearance) then I would drive across! That is to the top of my
tires.

Better to walk than swim - there was the time we were hauling firewood and
opened to rear to let it float out...........

Oh, and I would not go to Home Depot for off road lights!!!!

Advice, go off road a bit and see if you like it before you add skid plates,
lights, snorkels, wings, antenna and the like. What the world does not need
is another off road street cruiser. - Get a good jack.
Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:44:10 -0700
Subject: windshield washers

JC Whitney has an easy to install, inexpensive aftermarket kit - non
original of course!
David

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:30:55 -0700
Subject: RE: Station Wagon, Safari Models-std items

Sorry to drag this out again, but I remember reading an old Land Rover
book that said that a Station Wagon model was one that seats 7 (88) or
11?(109).  The definition was used for British tax laws that classified
station wagons as buses and thusly much cheaper, tax wise,  to put on
the road.  So, I think that it may be the number of factory installed
seats that determines whether you have a station wagon or not...  Can
any Brits confirm this?

Paul Quin

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 13:01:03 EDT
Subject: CB Master bleeding

Re: CB master bleeding, it was written:
***
>Just bleed the CB on the bench, plug the ports, install and hook up. This
>way you can bleed the doggone thing flat...

Yeah that works but it sure is a time consuming operation.  The only
alternative seems to be raising the vehicle so high that it becomes a
downright dangerous operation.

But I've been thinking about Marin's smart idea of putting in an a/c type
access hatch.  At least one could save a huge amount of time not having to
remove the wing.  But I'm really leery about going out to the airport in
hunt of some dzus fastners because I just know I'll cave in again and blow a
few hundred dollars on some flight time.  It's a damned drug that flying thing.
***

Installing a bench bled CB master is a bitch to do without
pumping the pedal a tiny bit, thus spewing fluids all over
(I don't care HOW tight the caps are) and subsequently sucking air
back in.  I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, it just ain't easy...

And NO, you do NOT have to pull the wing to install the pedal ass'y,
although this would make getting a bench bled master back in air
free alot easier.  (Hell, I've even managed to install a CLUTCH
pedal ass'y with the wing in place, but the brake pedal ass'y was
out, too, and it tested my patience.)

YOU CAN, however, bleed ALL the air out of a CB master (including
that last little bit that sits up top) WITHOUT jacking your front
end six feet up in the air OR bench bleeding the master cylinder.
Simply remove the six bolts that hold the pedal ass'y to the bulkhead, 
remove all the screws that hold the plate attaching the reservoir to 
the pedal box (this allows you to move the pedal box ass'y around
a little without stressing the lines from the reservoir to both
master cylinders), and removing the line running out of the master
cylinder.  Pivot the pedal box ass'y such that the front lower side
comes up and around the steering column-violla, it's level.  Pump
yer pedal *just a tad* and attach that outgoing line while it's
still slightly depressed (or plug the hole and release the pedal
to allow the master to suck fluid the way it should).

Bleed the entire system the way you normally would (except without
sucking any air in this time...): LF,RF,RR,LR.

Works great,
rd/nige

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:29:47 -0600
Subject: Re: CB Master bleeding

At 01:01 PM 30/04/98 EDT, Russell G. Dushin, wrote

>back in.  I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, it just ain't easy...

You're so right, which is why I raised the issue.

 Pivot the pedal box ass'y such that the front lower side
>comes up and around the steering column-violla, it's level. 

I like this.  If (when) I have to do this again I'll try your method.
Anything is better than dismantling half the truck just to get one tiny blob
of air.

How did you happen to come by it?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@Camworks.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:43 -0500
Subject: RE: Station Wagons

Hmm, ok - this is tricky. The problem is the 244 serno was used on SWs
until March '65, then it was switched to 318 (why?). It's possible that
your 66 model was actually manufactured before this date, hence the 244
number. Maybe someone along the line registered the date wrong, or it
was, in fact, sold as a 66 model (fundamentally there was no real
difference between the model years). My '66 was produced on July 15,
1965, and was number 441. 

Now, if yours was a '67, then it'd be a real mess. It also is would be
very interesting to know if yours was built *after* 3/65. If so, then
what was LRs reason for using the 318 number? Since yours seems to match
mine pretty much exactly, what made some 318s and others 244s? 

In other words, we still don't know what was what and why :-) 

Tim
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tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, St. Paul, MN
http://www.camworks.com
Internet Solutions that Power Business 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:37:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: Station Wagons

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Tim Harincar wrote:

> Hmm, ok - this is tricky. The problem is the 244 serno was used on SWs
> until March '65, then it was switched to 318 (why?). It's possible that

Were things other than Station Wagons made with 244 numbers following
3/65?  My IIA is 244xxxxxB, and is titled as a 66.  It however, started
life as a basic, zero options, softtop, and not a station wagon, safari or
otherwise.  It was said to have come with rear benches though.

David/Mr. Sinclair

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:40:29 -0700
Subject: Re: IIA SERVICE MANUALS

LEBLANC_CJ wrote:

> My Visa bill came in at $136 Cdn for both manuals including surface mail
> delivery charge..

My Visa's bin getting a s**t kicking with parts from the UK too. Parts 
are cheap enough, but the shipping and customs take their toll. Where 
'bouts you in Canada?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:57:10 -0700
Subject: Re: vibrating windows on disco

Spencer K. C. Norcross wrote:
> try the ECU, i dont believe it is good for anything else, if that fails
> try a crowbar or big piece of rebar..

Now now Spenny, take your time. Think about it. Wouldn't grab hooks fit 
better in there? Dual purpose in mind eh?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Disco fording depth

Russ Wilson wrote:

>  THe fording depth of a Disco can be affeced by many things.  The biggest
> factor in determining fording depth is the height of the driver.  This is a
> factor because of the "height of air intake " on the driver, which some
> would refer to as "nostrel height".  A taller person will have a very
> distinct advantage in deep water situations for obvious reasons. Taking
> this in to account, even if you are a dwarf named Hank, you can sit on a
> few phone books and get those little nostrels well up into the air and keep
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> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> Pittsburgh, Pa.

Lol, that's mighty funny, in that case, my air intake is at about 5'8".

Mohammed Taheri
'95 Discovery

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From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:24:02 -0400
Subject: Re: disco fording depth, vibrating windows on a disco, 110v lights

richard a. nicotra wrote:
> I was keeping quiet in the hopes that Dave Bobeck would have convinced
> Mohammed that he is on the wrong list, but . . .
> Mohammed, please subscribe to the coil sprung digest.

I already did, sorry, being new here, I always send my emails to both
lists, hoping to get double the answers.  Sorry about the annoyance!

Mohammed Taheri
'95 Discovery

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:29:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Rovers for sale

Bren Workman wrote:
> 1995 D-90.  29,000 miles, minor body work damage, runs/drives, (looks
> like left fender toast, factory bull bar toast, right fender looks good,
> bonnet looks good, left door?)  But...$13,500!  Numero Uno Auto Sales,
> Bronx, New York, (718)589-0469.
>FYI:  
>The above mentioned D-90 was sold this am they have another one which just 
came in from out west 

red 94 D-90 which was in a rollover..no top,  some other damage to front
wing 
$ 10,000
1-800-CRASH CARS
Rgds
Steve

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From: "Clark, Patrick D." <Clark_PD@pillsburylaw.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:39:53 -0700
Subject: Overdrive...worth the cost? 

I have a newly acquired '65 88" SIIA SW -- looks like hell and runs like
a top (knock on aluminum).  As it is my daily driver, and I have
occasion to drive on the freeway, I was contemplating an overdrive
addition, but was curious to see if any one agrees that the cost is
justified (I've got plenty of other parts that could use the attention).

As I understand it-- the overdrive is useful only in 3rd or 4th (2H),
but that the revs are reduced dramatically.  Any Idea what kind of
freeway speed I might expect?  I'm running a 2.25 Petrol, with header
and side draft Webber.    

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From: Chris Swart <swartc@iafrica.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:32:12 +0200
Subject: Re: vibrating windows on disco

Mohammed Taheri wrote:
>Hi everyone, on my '95 Disco, when I leave the windows down about 4
>inches (101.6 mm), there is a very noticeable vibration of the glass..

Try 101.00 mm.
Or try the CSO List for an answer.

Happy 50th to Land Rover & just keep rovering on :-)
Chris

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From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:12:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Disco fording depth

First, subscribe to:

The Rangie, Disco and Defender Owner mailing list Daily Digest
The WWW pages for the list (including subscribe/unsubscribe forms) start at:
         http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/lro-info.html
(shadow) http://www2.Land-Rover.Team.Net/lro-info.html

Send submissions to the list to:	rro@Land-Rover.Team.Net

Before you get flamed to eternity.

Second, if it's going to be more than just dirt roads, remove (where
applicable)

factory brush guard
running boards
rear hydraulic step
rear bumper end caps
front spoiler
front bumper end caps
any other OEM stuff that hangs down below the level of the bumpers, except
the receiver hitch--which makes a lot of noise but is pretty indestructable.

and be prepared for serious paint scratches and rear lower quarter panel
damage.

as they say: "Been there, done that."

Third, make sure your tires are at least the stock Michelins w/plenty
o'tread or something more agressive

On wading: I never did get my yard stick out to measure depth, but if you
e-mail  Dave "Pit Bull on Thorazine"Bobeck directly, he can tell you how
deep the water was that I drove through.

Good Luck

>From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:42:35 -0400
>Subject: Disco fording depth
>Hi everyone, in about 2 weeks, I'm going to take my Disco for its first
>off-road adventure, should I get skid plates first?  Also, does anyone
>know of a safe fording depth, because I bought it used and it doesn't
>have a booklet, thanks!

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:11:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Overdrive...worth the cost? 

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Clark, Patrick D. wrote:

> I have a newly acquired '65 88" SIIA SW -- looks like hell and runs like
 a top (knock on aluminum).  As it is my daily driver, and I have
 occasion to drive on the freeway, I was contemplating an overdrive
 addition, but was curious to see if any one agrees that the cost is
> justified (I've got plenty of other parts that could use the attention).

Yes.  I have an 88 IIA that I drive a lot- better than 20K miles in 9
months- and often for long trips on the highways.  I cannot imagine
driving 2500  highway miles without one.  Even if you don't go faster, the
revs come down a lot and the noise level drops pretty dramatically.  

> justified (I've got plenty of other parts that could use the attention).
 As I understand it-- the overdrive is useful only in 3rd or 4th (2H),
 but that the revs are reduced dramatically.  Any Idea what kind of
 freeway speed I might expect?  I'm running a 2.25 Petrol, with header
> and side draft Webber.    

The Fairy/Superwinch seem to have a lubrication problem.  Part of the
problem is that the oil resovior is small and provides insufficent
cooling.  The efects of this can be minimized by making sure that the
resevoir is full, and changing the oil a lot.  I think that another part
of the lubrication problem is that as the thing is dependent on splash
lubrication, there is insufficent splashing at low speeds.  I have never
had one apart to get a real picture of what is happening though, so this
part is conjecture.  

David

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From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:59:10 +0000
Subject: Starting in cold weather!

Hi!
I always thought that cars and LRs were more easy to start in hot weather
than cold - My 2.25 petrol LR is the other way around - It is rather
difficult to start it when hot, I have to turn it alot and when comes to
life it coughes up a lot of smoke! - but it is ever a problem when cold.  -
OK it takes a few turnes to be smooth running - but it is running!!

WHY?

Olafur Agust

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
olafura@hi.is	    http://www.hi.is/~olafura

"Don't take life so seriously 
		... it's not permanent."

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:28:44 EDT
Subject: aaargh!

Oh well. Ho hum. <sad look> 

I crashed (wasn't invited) the dealer's party but i didn't win the IIa that
LRNA raffled off. I just got a neat little pin and some 1948-1998 plaques that
look like 1/2 scale metal repros of the "four wheel drive station wagon"
plaque, except it says 1948-1998 below the oval.

Also, the dealership hired a "valet service" that had the entire front of the
dealership, and when I drove up, I just said I was popping in to the parts
counter, so they gave me a slot. Then they came in looking for me, to move my
"land crui*er"! The service manager gave them a stern look, not quite like a
terrier, but they backed off.

--pat.
93  110

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From: RykRover <RykRover@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:21:31 EDT
Subject: LRNA 50th celebration

Went to Tischer Land Rover for their reception . The dealer gave away 1 trip
to the Lodge to a couple from Bowie, MD. Then we were told that LRNA had
picked our dealer as one of the two to give the vintage Rover away , low and
behold they picked my name. Absolutely couldn`t believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let you know when it arrives.  :^)

RGDS, Rick

`63 SIIa 88''
`94 D-90
`96 Disco
Vintage Rover??????
`98 BMW Z-3

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:31:35 -0500
Subject: "Rolling Chassis" vs. "Parts Car" 

Would a fully operational vehicle MINUS its body be the definition of a
"Rolling Chassis?"

Would a bodyless vehicle with a shot frame, transmission, swivel balls,
springs .....etc. be a "Rolling Chassis," a "Parts Car," or a "Pile of
Junk?"

.....curious to learn how my definition/s compare to others.

Regards,

Neil Lamont

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:12:40 -0700
Subject: Re: LRNA 50th celebration

RykRover wrote:

>  Absolutely couldn`t believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent.  Congratulations.  BTW... glad to see some other sorry sod
won't have to learn how to double clutch  and it'll be going to an
understanding home. :)

cheers

Jeremy

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:19:26 -0600
Subject: Re: LRNA 50th celebration

At 10:21 PM 30/04/98 EDT, RykRover, wrote

>picked our dealer as one of the two to give the vintage Rover away , low and
>behold they picked my name. Absolutely couldn`t believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well congratulations!  I'm glad it didn't go to somebody whose knowledge of
LR ownership extended only as far as being able to turn the key.  Good to
know it's going to somebody who can appreciate it.

Now I wonder, is the dealer going to include some servicing with the vehicle
and if so, do they have a clue?

Again, congratulations.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 02:51:50 -0400
Subject: Re: LRNA 50th celebration

YEA!!!  Way to Go!!!  Glad to see a deserving Rover Enthusiast get it!
Feels Great, Doesn't it?  Let us know when it sinks in to the point where
you really believe it.  It might not happen till you hit your first trail.
GOOD LUCK WITH HER!

Drew Squires
(109 - Still Looking)

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From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:08:14 +0000
Subject: Re: Starting in cold weather!

> Hi!
> I always thought that cars and LRs were more easy to start in hot
> weather than cold - My 2.25 petrol LR is the other way around - It
> is rather difficult to start it when hot, I have to turn it alot and
> when comes to life it coughes up a lot of smoke! - but it is ever a
> problem when cold.  - OK it takes a few turnes to be smooth running
> - but it is running!!
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> WHY?
> Olafur Agust
My SIII used to do this when I had a Webber carb on. Sometimes it got 
so bad I would have to walk away and leave it a few mins with the 
bonnet open. I figured it was probably due to fuel vapourisation in 
the carb. Infact when it was really hot it would sometimes cut out 
when at idle!

Fitted the correct Zenith carb and all is well....

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
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