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1 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b21More Confussion with terms :-]
2 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b35AP Lockheed Warning
3 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns15Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
4 "LT J Jackson" [lt_j_jac22Re- Cheap CB's
5 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l29Re- Cheap CB's
6 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l17Ragtop front bar?
7 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 25Re: Ragtop front bar?
8 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l15Re: Ragtop front bar?
9 Paul Wakefield - Serco [19re: Parabolic Springs.
10 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 32Subject:
11 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 35Re: Ragtop front bar?
12 "Herman L. Stude" [herma28Re: Ragtop front bar?
13 David Scheidt [david@inf20Re: Ragtop front bar?
14 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l17Re: Ragtop front bar?
15 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l16Ilegal stuff
16 "Chris Dillard"[cdillard16Re: Ilegal stuff
17 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 33Re: Ilegal stuff
18 jberg@hearstnewmedia.com38Subject: Re: Set up "shoots" - limited LR content
19 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o22Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks -
20 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l13RE: Illegal stuff
21 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd49Re: Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks -
22 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o15Re[2]: Parabolic Springs.
23 "David and Cynthia Walke19Re: Re[2]: Parabolic Springs.
24 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o13Re[4]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks
25 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@30re: Parabolic Springs Again
26 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M15Re: Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks -
27 jberg@hearstnewmedia.com31re: The simplest anti theft devices...
28 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l15RE: Parabolic Springs Again
29 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml14Hands - free phones.
30 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M17re: The simplest anti theft devices...
31 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi22Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
32 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi24Re: Re- Cheap CB's
33 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l10RE: Hands - free phones.
34 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd14RE: Hands - free phones.
35 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l25Found a new deal. Want opinions.
36 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml25 She's running again!
37 caloccia@senie.com 43set-up shots : Re: airborne rovers
38 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l10Re: She's running again!
39 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml17RE: She's running again!
40 jberg@hearstnewmedia.com32re: set-up shots : Re: airborne rovers
41 geraldr@idt.net (Gerald 8[not specified]
42 Peter Thoren [Peter.Thor37Re: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
43 Adrian Redmond [channel630Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
44 Adrian Redmond [channel636Re: Ilegal stuff
45 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi21Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
46 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l11RE: Ilegal stuff
47 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l18RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
48 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 25Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
49 Mohammed Taheri [mrbeans15Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
50 "David and Cynthia Walke8Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
51 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l7RE: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
52 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l15E-mail help needed
53 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml11RE: E-mail help needed
54 "shawn moore" [rover110@5Fw: defender 110 with mazda engine
55 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o36Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
56 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns14Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
57 "David and Cynthia Walke56Stopping thieves
58 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l13RE: E-mail help needed
59 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com18RE: E-mail help needed
60 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com24Re: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
61 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi21Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
62 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 25Wayward wipers
63 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l9RE: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
64 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o26Re[2]: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
65 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o17Re[2]: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
66 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l11RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
67 Adrian Redmond [channel627Re: Wayward wipers
68 Adrian Redmond [channel637Re: E-mail help needed
69 Peter Thoren [Peter.Thor17RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
70 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml10RE: Wayward wipers
71 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l11RE: E-mail help needed
72 "Mark Talbot" [rangerove19off-roading anyone ?
73 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l12RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
74 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns17Re: Re[2]: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment
75 David Cockey [dcockey@ti16Re: Confused with terms :-{
76 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l16RE: Confused with terms :-{
77 geraldr@idt.net (Gerald 9[not specified]
78 "David and Cynthia Walke15Re: Wayward wipers
79 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns15Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
80 torque@pacific.net.sg (L13Re: Ilegal stuff
81 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [29Re: Ilegal stuff
82 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com18Series II Discovery Name
83 Joseph Broach [broach@ut12Re: The simplest anti theft devices...
84 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd31Re: FFR Charging lights
85 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd25Re: Found a new deal. Want opinions.
86 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M12Re: The simplest anti theft devices...


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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:28:37 +1000
Subject: More Confussion with terms :-]

Luis Manuel Gutierrez asks:

>I learned 20 years ago that the right word was "tires".

No.  The correct spelling is "Tyres"  The Americans spell it "tires"

>Is this like a UK-US diference?

Yes.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:41:50 +1000
Subject: AP Lockheed Warning

Andy Blackley wrote:

>Trevor Easton posted the subject warning. Thanks a lot Trevor.
>I just bought a 69 MGB and the PO used silicon instead of
>the good ol' Castrol LMA I am used to using. Now I am getting
> worried.

Worry not.  I have some other articles about the subject and which I
published, together with the AP warning, in the March 1997 Hillmanews
newsletter.
I lent the folder to someone and he promises to return it tonight.  I can
scan the stuff and post it to you Andy, if you wish.  I think it may be too
much for the
list.  I had it on disk but when I had the hard drive fail, I lost all my
newsletters (tape backup failed as well).

I got it from the Sunbeam Owners Club of Queensland who got it from the
British Sunbeam club newsletter.....etc.  It goes for three closely typed
pages.

BUT, the penultimate paragraph says "Don't expect to see silicone brake
fluid produced by the major brake manufacturers because expanded use of this
material will reduce their parts and fluid sales to near zero"

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:17:08 -0700
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Rick Grant wrote:

> In Nairobi I met a guy who would remove the steering wheel from his truck
> whenever he parked it.  Carried the thing with him everywhere too.. 

  Mr. Bean was in Nairobi?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Date: 23 Apr 1998 07:44:27 -0400
Subject: Re-  Cheap CB's

<I have a cheap CB radio that I cannot use while the engine is running
<because of static.  But the am/fm radio works just fine.
<What changes would I have to make in plugs, plug harness etc in order to get
<rid of the static? The CB is about the cheapest and nastiest on the market. 
Rick Grant

Gotta defend my honor, here.  Unless you are running a 38 USD "Midland"
(purchased while wearing dark glasses and fake nose at a "Benny's Automotive
Mart"), then you do NOT have the cheapiest, nor, sir, the nastiest CB on the
market.

I'm running NGK BPR-5ES plugs (resistor, hence the "R").  No static at all. 
The CB is wired directly to the fuse box (with an intermediate 2 amp fuse to
protect my huge investment).

Jeff

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:54:15 -0400
Subject: Re- Cheap CB's

Sorry - got you both beat with the old Lafayette 6-channel tube CB I still
have in the workshop. Works fine, too..... now I'm getting tempted to
install it for the 50th. 8*)

Re: Engine noise:

If it's a whining sound that changes pitch, then your dynamo's causing it.
Get an old condenser or two and put it across the power line to the CB to
bypass the noise to ground.  The wire coming out of the condenser goes to
+12 - the can to ground (don't hook it up backward - trust me on this
one...8*)  ). A good test for this is disconnecting the antenna - if you
still hear the noise it's coming up the power line.

If it's a sparking sound that changes in pitch - the resistor plugs should
be of help. Also, bond the bonnet to the bulkhead with a good-sized bit of
electrical braid - this will help trap the engine RF noise in the engine
compartment.

Antenna position's another good fix in problems like this - putting the
antenna at the back of the car rather than the front gets it away from the
engine-produced noise (which is usually pretty short-range).

               aj"N1TWY, ex-WA1YHY"r

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:08:43 -0400
Subject: Ragtop front bar?

In a nutshell - how the Hell do you mount the canvas front abr to the
windscreen if you ever plan to be non-ragtop again?

The front bar for the canvas seems to want to be riveted on - and as I plan
to go back to my cab top this Winter this seems a bit extreme to me.

I know there are a lot of folks who switch back and forth for Summer and
Winter - how do you do this without accumulating a bunch of drilled-out
rivets in your windscreen frame?

          aj"And then there's the rollbar..."r

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:34:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

In a message dated 4/23/98 8:15:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

 In a nutshell - how the Hell do you mount the canvas front abr to the
 windscreen if you ever plan to be non-ragtop again?
 
 The front bar for the canvas seems to want to be riveted on - and as I plan
 to go back to my cab top this Winter this seems a bit extreme to me. >>

Hi Al,

My front bar has holes in it, which bolt to the windscreen in the same place
as the hardtop.  I even use the same bolts!  In my case, there are triangular
shaped pieces which bolt between the front bar and the 2 side rails which make
up the top of the door frame.  The triangular pieces must be loosely bolted in
place to allow movement while getting the front bar and door frame pieces
aligned.

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:33:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

Re: WInscreen mounting bolts:

This one does too, but it also has the  front tabs.

If this isn't riveted or screwed down - does it leak?

Where does it seal, anyway?

          aj"I wish I knew what I was doing..."r

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:40:47 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: Parabolic Springs.

Dave B. hopefully intones:

> 8. Please only knowledgable answers

Ho Ho, come on Dave, it's much more fun with the conjecture and half-truths.

What would we have to argue about otherwise :-)

Sheesh.

Paul.

P.S. I have seen the recent LRW Parabolic Spring article, well worth a read.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:09:51 -0500

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 04-23-98 09:09 AM

cc:
Subject:

>What is the right thing that people do if they want to link someone else's
>site to their page? Is it proper protocol to contact the site owner to get
>permission to include links of their page in mine?

There's no law requiring it. It's polite to ask.
If you do it, link to the main page of the other site, rather than a page
several layers down, unless you specifically ask and get permission to do
otherwise. Companies have been sued (no idea if sucessfully) when another
company linked to a page down the tree.
Make it clear that the link is taking the surfer to another site, not your
own.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 04-23-98 09:25 AM

cc:
Subject:  Re: Ragtop front bar?

Alan writes:
snip
>I know there are a lot of folks who switch back and forth for Summer and
>Winter - how do you do this without accumulating a bunch of drilled-out
>rivets in your windscreen frame?

I don't know about yours, but I figure my Rover rattles so much already,
what's a few more. Seriously though, I've wondered about this, but haven't
gotten around to actually trying the only solution I can think of, which is
small Rivnuts, but these would require drilling out larger holes.
Alternatively, I've seen actual rivets that are threaded to take a small
machine screw. As a matter of fact, now that I think of it, I bought some
last year to try.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:35:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

In a nutshell - how the Hell do you mount the canvas front abr to the
>  windscreen if you ever plan to be non-ragtop again?
 
>  The front bar for the canvas seems to want to be riveted on - and as I plan
>  to go back to my cab top this Winter this seems a bit extreme to me. >>
 
> Hi Al,
  
> My front bar has holes in it, which bolt to the windscreen in the same place
> as the hardtop.  I even use the same bolts!  In my case, there are triangular
> shaped pieces which bolt between the front bar and the 2 side rails which make
> up the top of the door frame.  The triangular pieces must be loosely bolted in
> place to allow movement while getting the front bar and door frame pieces
> aligned.

Mine came rivited to the top of the windscreen, but I drilled out the
rivets to put on the hard top.  I have since returned to soft top and
just leave it unriveted works just fine.  My only worry is that I
haven't sealed the holes in the top of the windscreen yet.  Anyone got
any ideas on how to seal up these holes and leave a flush finish?

Herman

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:40:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Herman L. Stude wrote:

> Mine came rivited to the top of the windscreen, but I drilled out the
> rivets to put on the hard top.  I have since returned to soft top and
> just leave it unriveted works just fine.  My only worry is that I
> haven't sealed the holes in the top of the windscreen yet.  Anyone got
> any ideas on how to seal up these holes and leave a flush finish?

silicone caulk.  Unless you look, you won't see it.  

And Al, what is wrong with collecting rivets in windshield frame?  It
would take decades to fill it up!

David/mr sinclair

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:51:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Ragtop front bar?

Herman asks:
>Anyone got any ideas on how to seal up these holes and leave a flush
finish?

Yup - countersunk Pop-rivets. Handy little things, but you'll need to drill
the holes with a countersink to set them flush.

They're also handy for plugging random holes in bodywork that aren't
accessible from the back - drill countersink angle, plug and touch with a
dab of spot putty. Sand, paint and they disappear...
          aj"I prefer soldering, though..."r

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:31:18 -0500
Subject: Ilegal stuff

Now that we are talking of illegal things,
Is it illegal somewhere else in the world, besides my tiny country, to 
	-"smoke and drive"-
If this was normal, is my guess, then why do most cars have ashtrays?
You get a US$40 fine for doing so.
Also for talking on a cellular while driving, you get the same.
LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:37:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Ilegal stuff

>>>> Also for talking on a cellular while driving, <<<<

To some people in the US this is a contradiction in terms. Usually their
doing either, or and not able to do both simultaneously!! Sounds like a
good law to put into legislation here in the US

Cheers,
Christopher (Can't talk and drive)  Dillard
91 RR County
USA

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:49:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Ilegal stuff

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 04-23-98 10:49 AM

cc:
Subject:  Re: Ilegal stuff

>> Also for talking on a cellular while driving, <<<<
>To some people in the US this is a contradiction in terms. Usually their
doing either, or and not able to do both simultaneously!! Sounds like a
>good law to put into legislation here in the US

You think cell phones are bad, Microsoft, the comapny that knows what's
best for us, is working hard to put computers in cars (they've already
pened a deal with Infinity I think it is) so that now people can surf the
web and read their e-mail while they're driving.
It'll give a whole new meaning to "system crash". I don't look forward to a
GPF as I cross a busy intersection.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:54:53 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: Set up "shoots" - limited LR content

Dave Bobeck quips:
>You see Land Rovers airborne all the time in the magazines. I personally
>was in
>a Land Rover that was airborne, and I assure you it was not set up for TV.
>Just ask Jeff Berg.

Ask Bill Caloccia instead--he was driving. I didn't even know he'd got air
until Sandy published the photo in the ROAV Gearbox...with the caption
"Jeff Berg shows how NOT to drive the trials course." No long-term harm
done however. Al Richer and I finally got around to replacing the bushings
last week. I swear they were perfect until Bill and Dave took that little
drive around the Middy trials course. The gas cap still has it's
folded-over lock bar though--in tribute to that Kodak moment that was "Mr.
Bill's Wild Ride."

Remember kids, "the best damn race car in the world belongs to somebody else."

RoverOn!

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Macintosh Systems Consultant
Phone     (212) 649-2322
FAX        (212) 957-8524
mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com

To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com
Remember, the subject line must include
NMC MAC "Brief Description"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 10:56:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks  - 

Speaking of wimpy door locks, here's a good one.
A few years ago, I had just replaced all four lock clyinders in my 88 with new 
ones from Rovers North. Shortly thereafter I was at a local hardware store, and 
just for kicks I asked them if they could copy my key. The  guy took it and 
knew immediately that he would not have an exact match. Not being one to be 
easily defeated, he set about comparing profiles with his other blanks until he 
found one that was similar. We brought the blank out to the parking lot to see 
if it fit in the lock, which it did not. We went back and looked some more, and 
found antoher one. Again we brought the UNCUT BLANK out to the parking lot and 
put it in the passenger door lock. It went in! It unlocked it! It unlocked the 
driver's door! IT STARTED THE F***ING CAR!!! 
I bought the blank and left. They were on the floor laughing.   
So much for new locks...oh well, at least they'll keep the honest theives out.

later
DaveB

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:57:45 -0500
Subject: RE: Illegal stuff

And besides,
What are "hands-free cellulars" for then?
People may think you are a loony, talking to yourself, but no cop can prove to 
you that you were on the phone.
There are always many ways, in both directions!

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:03:31 +0100
Subject: Re: Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks -

On more than one occasion (typically in the dark) I've used the key for the
rear (safari) door
to start the ignition...

I have 3 keys. The ignition key is brass, but the same shape "handle" to
the rear door. The front door key is a different shape.

Local keycutter had no problems making a set, but he did ask me what they
were for...

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org on 04/23/98 04:56:35 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks  -

Speaking of wimpy door locks, here's a good one.
A few years ago, I had just replaced all four lock clyinders in my 88 with
new
ones from Rovers North. Shortly thereafter I was at a local hardware store,
and
just for kicks I asked them if they could copy my key. The  guy took it and
knew immediately that he would not have an exact match. Not being one to be
easily defeated, he set about comparing profiles with his other blanks
until he
found one that was similar. We brought the blank out to the parking lot to
see
if it fit in the lock, which it did not. We went back and looked some more,
and
found antoher one. Again we brought the UNCUT BLANK out to the parking lot
and
put it in the passenger door lock. It went in! It unlocked it! It unlocked
the
driver's door! IT STARTED THE F***ING CAR!!!
I bought the blank and left. They were on the floor laughing.
So much for new locks...oh well, at least they'll keep the honest theives
out.
later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 10:59:40 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Parabolic Springs.

> 8. Please only knowledgable answers
>Ho Ho, come on Dave, it's much more fun with the conjecture and half-truths.

>What would we have to argue about otherwise :-)

well, you know me, always taking the fun out of everything...
so is this parabolic spring article in the newest LRW?

DaveB

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:51:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Parabolic Springs.

Yes, May Issue 19988888888
Page 105 (I think that is what I wrote)

Ah, a half truth? Christ will come as the president....no, no.......There is
a fourteenth planet in the solar system.....no, no, no...........coil spring
owners have as much fun as the leafers - but less than the parabolic owners.
:-)

Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 11:37:35 EST
Subject: Re[4]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks

>Local keycutter had no problems making a set, but he did ask me what they 
>were for...

not gunna happen in the good ol US unless you go the route I did. You may bet 
lucky at a brit. car shop, but don't count on it.
later
DaveB

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From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:20 -0400
Subject: re: Parabolic Springs Again

Wish I could answer your questions Dave. Unfortunately, when I made
inquiries (through channels, not myself) about getting a set of parabolics
prior to my "Spring Overhaul" last weekend I was informed that the U.S.
supplier was backordered until at least June.

I still have a set of poly spring bushes (through a new set of stock bushes
in the old springs so I wouldn't have to wrestle the poly's out) waiting to
go into a set of parabolics--and will be happy to report as soon as I can.

As I told Al Richer, one of us has to be the first...

RoverOn!

jab

==
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                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
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	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:55:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks -

>Local keycutter had no problems making a set, but he did ask me what they
>were for...

I had no problem getting a spare set cut,on the local market.Bloke
thought they were filing cabinet keys.....
Then only yesterday,I turned up an old filing cabinet key only two
numbers removed...

Mike Rooth

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:57:37 -0400
Subject: re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Adrian comments:

>The best antitheft device I have ever heard suggested on this list wast
>the one about fitting fre-wheel hubs to all four wheels, and then
>disengaging these when parking the car - simple, and very effective.

Flatlander!

;-)

RoverOn!

jab

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:59:12 -0500
Subject: RE: Parabolic Springs Again

  []  " Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
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[]  
Mine really is. You are welcome to come by any time!!!
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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:00:16 -0700
Subject: Hands - free phones.

Luis writes:
	>And besides,
What are "hands-free cellular" for then?<

Somehow, I can't see using a "hands free" cellular phone in a series
Rover at motorway speeds...a little bit too much background noise :-)

Paul in Victoria

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:05:25 +0000
Subject: re: The simplest anti theft devices...

>Adrian comments:
>>The best antitheft device I have ever heard suggested on this list wast
>>the one about fitting fre-wheel hubs to all four wheels, and then
>>disengaging these when parking the car - simple, and very effective.

I thought we'd agreed some time ago,that the best antitheft device was
a Newfoundland.On the principle that should a thief enter the vehicle
he would immediately be drowned in slobber...

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:15:00 -0600
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

At 07:17 AM 23/04/98 -0700, Con P. Seitl, wrote

>  Mr. Bean was in Nairobi?

Yeah, I laughed when I saw that episode with the Mini but I assure you that
the Nairobi fella had invented the technique well before Mr Bean stumbled
into life.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:15:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Re- Cheap CB's

At 07:54 AM 23/04/98 -0400, Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com, wrote

>If it's a sparking sound that changes in pitch - the resistor plugs should
>be of help. 

That appears to be the route to go but I don't know if I'll bother until
it's time to change the plugs.  It's not like people are clamoring to talk
to me on the radio and even if they were I'd never hear them over the road
and engine noise anyway.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:16:54 -0500
Subject: RE: Hands - free phones.

You would have to get a headphones set for that matter!!!!
Far too complicated, better wait to get home!!!!! :-]

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:23:04 +0100
Subject: RE: Hands - free phones.

>You would have to get a headphones set for that matter!!!!
>Far too complicated, better wait to get home!!!!! :-]

Now, they're illegal in the UK!  :-)

One earphone is all you're allowed...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:45:30 -0500
Subject: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

Talked to a couple of Swedish guys who are selling a 1966 109.
They say it is in really good shape, needing just to re-sew one seat.
They sell it for near U$3500 
Just two problems: 
I think those guys have not even the slightest idea of mechanics, since I asked 
them "Is it diesel or petrol" (to be exact I said "diesel or gasoline") and the 
guy answered me "It is diesel, and we take good care of it, tomorrow  we are 
going to change the spark plugs on it"
I have to make a trip to the other side of the country (not saying that its 
very big) just to see it.
I really cant decide yet if I want an 88 or a 109.
One is bigger, but slower.
The other is smaller, but quicker.
What would be better?

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:22:15 -0700
Subject:  She's running again! 

Hi All.

Well, after plugging a few leaks in the Solex & trouble shooting a bad
LT ignition circuit, my 1961 Series II is purring like a kitten!
Thanks very much to all who offered their advise!

Question:  Is the heater that I have mounted on the engine side of the
passenger footwell a Kodiak heater??  It was obviously added after the
Rover arrived in Canada  probably at the dealership.  The heater core
looks very North American.  It's one of the early ones with an air
intake that comes from the front of the wing by the headlights, piped
over top of the tire and through the mud shield to the heater core.  See
a picture of it (complete with requisite duct tape) at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/lrheater.jpg 

Paul Quin	
1961 Series II 88 
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 23 Apr 1998 17:31:22 -0000
Subject: set-up shots : Re: airborne rovers

David Walker <wahooadv@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 Apr 1998 writes:

> TV - reality...do not confuse them or
> you will be trying jumps in your Land Rover!!!
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yoda know not try, yoda do:

	Empire/me-finsup.sr.jpg

	[ See Jeff's Rover 'Finsup' reaching for the sky...
		(I was driving he he he :-) ]

David is definitely right,

	don't confuse TV with reality,	(and don't try it at home !)

	for reality, Just send for a real drivers.  Call upon the

	Empire Rover Owners Society	< empire@land-rover.team.net >

	and Empire show you how reality works...

	like changing tyres without jacks:

		Empire/ai-tc.html

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/Empire/
   R  1  3  2wd  H OD		  D
   +--|--|   o   | |           L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L N           |  2	    because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:31:58 -0400
Subject: Re: She's running again!

It's maybe an arctic Kodiak - the core looks not unlike a Kodiak, but that
right-angle gizmo isn't familiar.

                         ajr

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:48:48 -0700
Subject: RE: She's running again!

Alan Richer writes:
	>It's maybe an arctic Kodiak - the core looks not unlike a
Kodiak, but that
right-angle gizmo isn't familiar.<

The right angle gizmo was only used for Series II's (1958-61)  and very
early Series IIA's.  I've only seen one other like it.  As I said
before, the intake was routed over top of the tire and out the front
inside panel of the wing by the headlights.

Paul in Victoria.

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:22:23 -0400
Subject: re: set-up shots : Re: airborne rovers

"Yoda" Caloccia scrawls:

>yoda know not try, yoda do:
>        Empire/me-finsup.sr.jpg
>        [ See Jeff's Rover 'Finsup' reaching for the sky...
>                (I was driving he he he :-) ]

LOL! I'd forgotten about the *contest*. (The photo originally ran with a
caption giving me credit for the deed. The contest came along a few issues
later.) Sandy, who was it that won?

RoverOn!

j"a is for airborne" b

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Macintosh Systems Consultant
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From: geraldr@idt.net (Gerald Resnick)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:31:51 -0400

The comedian Buddy Hackett reported not a guy in Nairobi with a steering
wheel, rather a motorcycle policeman with a huge smile..... the handle bars
were in his mouth after having been struck by the comedian

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:34:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

If they are serious Land Rover fans they should be members of the Swedish
Land Rover club. If you want information on Land Rovers for sale in Sweden
you should check the Swedish Land Rover clubs home page
www.canman.se/slrk/databas.htm This page lists all Land Rovers for sale
from members. Unfortenately its in Swedish but you might get an idea on
what there is anyway. The man responsible for the "for sale" list is the
chairman Göran Kastell fax/phone +46 (0) 346 930 17. The page was updated
10/4 and it contains ten 88 PU/STW/HT, thirteen 109 STW/HT and six 109 PU.
A "D" is diesel and "B" is petrol. Because of the high price for petrol
(more than 1$/litre) diesel is more expensive. If you have questions or
need translations please ask me. 3.500$ is about 27.000 SEK which is a fair
price if the car is in god condition. I recently paid 38.000 SEK for a 109
diesel S3 in very good condition. Land Rovers are getting very popular in
Sweden and it might be difficult to find cars in good condition, especially
diesels. By the way, is this car in Sala? I have read in the latest
bulletin from the club that there is a SIIa for sale in Sala which has been
sold at least three times in a very short time period...

Good luck,

Peter
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:15:34 +0200
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

FLATLANDER?

I'll have you know that denmark is part of the proud, glorious and
mountainous Scandinavia - well almost - I live in the Danish highlands,
near to the so-called "Sky-mountain" - the trecherous peak of which
reaches 155.7 metres above sea level.

OK - I get the point - 4 x FWHubs are not the ideal anti-theft device in
San Fransico or Anchorage.

But it is a cute idea anwway!

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:18:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Ilegal stuff

In which state state is smoking and riving illegal - just curious, to
make sure I avoid it!

:-)

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> Now that we are talking of illegal things,
> Is it illegal somewhere else in the world, besides my tiny country, to
>         -"smoke and drive"-
> If this was normal, is my guess, then why do most cars have ashtrays?
> You get a US$40 fine for doing so.
> Also for talking on a cellular while driving, you get the same.
> LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
> lgutierr@hotmail.com

-- 
Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:44:14 -0600
Subject: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

I'm redoing the rear oil seals on my Sll and I'm wondering whether one must
indeed use a dial indicator as the manual says to set the bearing end float
or whether there is a "feels about right" method.

Also, what is sealing compound?  Manual says to install the rear oil seal
with sealing compound around its edge.  What's that in Can/US speak?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:44:45 -0500
Subject: RE: Ilegal stuff

The "Smoke'n'drive" thing is illegal in the beautiful tropical paradise =
of coffee and bananas, mountains and beaches of Costa Rica, in Central =
America, (not South America like many people say).

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:54:51 -0500
Subject: RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

I would love to be able to put my hands on such an availability of =
series cars, Peter, but I guess I'm too far away. The Swedish guys I =
mentioned run a Tour business here in my country (Costa Rica). I do know =
they like rovers because they told me on the phone that they had to =
search and look really hard to find this car when they bought it. I =
appreciate your concern.

BTW, you pay more than a dollar for a liter of petrol (gasoline)?!? That =
is more than double of what we pay here for it.
And how much is diesel worth?

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:58:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

In a message dated 4/23/98 3:49:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rgrant@cadvision.com writes:

<< 'm redoing the rear oil seals on my Sll and I'm wondering whether one must
 indeed use a dial indicator as the manual says to set the bearing end float
 or whether there is a "feels about right" method.
 
 Also, what is sealing compound?  Manual says to install the rear oil seal
 with sealing compound around its edge.  What's that in Can/US speak? >>

I use the "feels about right" method and have not run into any problems.

Sealing compound is "gasket in a tube", (sealagasket etc) I use the
nonhardening type on the distance piece (where it sits against the backing
plate) and around the edge of the oil seal.

I think the hub is oil lubricated =:o0

Nate

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From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:12:13 -0400
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> Rick Grant wrote:
> > In Nairobi I met a guy who would remove the steering wheel from his truck
> > whenever he parked it.  Carried the thing with him everywhere too..
>   Mr. Bean was in Nairobi?
> Con Seitl

Are you referring to me?  I've never been to Nairobi, I live in
Charlotte, North Carolina, USA.

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:30:55 -0700
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

You have a Newfoundland deterrent also???  Mine is the Landseer model!
David

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:13:22 -0500
Subject: RE: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:20:59 -0500
Subject: E-mail help needed

Can anybody give me a clue on what is all the trash that comes at the end of 
almost all of the messages I send to the list?
I haven't figured it out.
I use the MS Outlook for e-mail.

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:29:16 -0700
Subject: RE: E-mail help needed

Microsoft seems to add some sort of binary footer to some messages.  I
also use Outlook and have seen the same crap at the end of *some* of my
posts.  Don't know how or where it comes from and it seems to be random.

Paul.

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From: "shawn moore" <rover110@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:45 +0100
Subject: Fw: defender 110 with mazda engine

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 16:31:49 EST
Subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

>I'm redoing the rear oil seals on my Sll and I'm wondering whether one must 
>indeed use a dial indicator as the manual says to set the bearing end float 
>or whether there is a "feels about right" method.

Do this with the wheel on.
grab the wheel at 6 and 12 o'clock and rock it in and out.
tighten the adjuster (inner nut) until the wheel does not rock any more.
loosen it in small increments until it begins to move again. 
go back one increment and then back it off maybe a half of an increment to be 
on the safe side. 
There should still be no perceptible movement. 
Lock down the tab on the lock washer.
Install the lock nut making sure the inner nut does not turn much.
Check it all one more time.
lock down the tab over the locknut
check it one more time
spin the wheel too to make sure it feels *good*
put the drive flange on.
done.
 
>Also, what is sealing compound? 

permatex,
rtv,
blue goo,
hylomar,
etc.

later
DaveB

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:35:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

NADdMD wrote:

> I think the hub is oil lubricated =:o0.

 Just had to squeeze that one in there eh?  :-)

Con Seitl 
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:05:01 -0700
Subject: Stopping thieves

I have not had a Land Rover stolen - yet.  I have had other vehicles
"borrowed" though.  Nor have I actually spent a great deal of time in large
cities (3 years out of the last 12 only)......however, I have come up with a
couple of methods that seem to work well in a variety of circumstances.
Vehicles get stolen while you are hiking and fishing as well as downtown.

The key I was always told was to A. make the vehicle undesirable to steal
and to B. slow them down as much as possible.

1. Freewheeling hubs all around - this worked great! - oh, except that the
d**n selecto hubs always leaked a little.  This was also great for towing.

2. Dogs - I have a Newfoundland and a yellow lab - together there is not
enough room for a thief to work - nor do they like the attention the dogs
give them.

3. Leave everything in neutral - tranny, OD, TC and hubs

4. My favorite - rig a separate starter button that completes the starter
circuit.  Make sure that the button has to be engaged as the key is turned.
Lead the wiring from the engine compartment back to the switch.  Hot wiring
will not defeat this, since the connection is made after the ignition but
before the starter.

5. Use a battery disconnect switch.

6. And as a last resort (the most intimidating) use a length of cable (or
chain) to form a loop around the brake pedal, go up and around the steering
wheel and back down and locked around the clutch pedal.  This works great
for rigs left topless...and tractors (stops the kids from rolling through
farm fences and buildings)

7. pull the coil wire slightly out - looks good, cannot fire or pull a coil
lead off

8. The fake blinking light - does keep the pros away.

Well, I have used all these on one vehicle or another (I won't say which
ones I am using tonight!!) - you could of course use all of them together.
I do like the quick release steering wheel - I have seen that on stock cars.
Keep all those good ideas coming
My Ural needs 6 steps done to start it (one of them is turning on the key)
If you fail to do any one of them, it will not start - I leave the key in
it.

Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:48:42 -0500
Subject: RE: E-mail help needed

It looks random, to me too.
Well, it hasn't hurt anybody yet.
I guess I will have to ignore it for now.

:-]

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:13:33 EDT
Subject: RE: E-mail help needed

In a message dated 4/23/98 4:55:03 PM, you wrote:

>It looks random, to me too.
>Well, it hasn't hurt anybody yet.
>I guess I will have to ignore it for now.
>:-]

It used to get sent to the list regularly, enough to annoy some of us, then
some of us piped up about it, and someone (BILL?) added a feature to the
mailer that strips it off and sends it to the Hummer list ;-)

pat

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:18:58 EDT
Subject: Re:  Found a new deal. Want opinions.

In a message dated 4/23/98 12:49:09 PM, you wrote:

>I really cant decide yet if I want an 88 or a 109.
>One is bigger, but slower.
>The other is smaller, but quicker.
>What would be better?

If you ask my girlfriend, you'll end up with the *bigger & slower* option. If
you ask her younger sister, you'll drive home with the 88. ;-)

Much of it really has to do with your preferences and intended use, if the
vehicles are in similar condition, etc. I can't visualize putting 2 adults, 1
large dog, supplies for both + spares for car into an 88, so I'm pretty much a
109/110 kind of person. And, being the non-cold weather person that I am, I
can sleep in my LR when I have to.

pat
93 110

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:26:18 -0600
Subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

At 04:31 PM 23/04/98 EST, dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org, wrote

Thanks for all that.  Seems to have worked quite nicely.   I hate to mention
this but the reason I decided to do this job was as a result of that endless
argument over just what was lubricating the bearings.  Now that I know, I'm
not telling.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:33:22 -0400
Subject: Wayward wipers

Rick Grant wrote:

>I lost two wiper blades in Ottawa a couple of years ago and there aren't
too >many vehicles that use those. 

Indeed, none it seems.  Went looking for new wiper blades several weekends
ago...I've been using ANCO AN-10.  Six autopart stores carried nothing
shorter than 12".  One had a box marked 10", but it had one 10" and one
11"...which just barely fits.  If you can find 10 or 11" blades in your
travels, buy 'em.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:37:05 -0500
Subject: RE: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

Don't worry, we wont ask you, either!!!!!

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 17:43:57 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

pat wrote:
>If you ask my girlfriend, you'll end up with the *bigger & slower* option. If 
>you ask her younger sister, you'll drive home with the 88. ;-)

I've already got an 88, can I just have the sister?

>Much of it really has to do with your preferences and intended use, if the 
>vehicles are in similar condition, etc. I can't visualize putting 2 adults, 1 
>large dog, supplies for both + spares for car into an 88, 

done it. not much problem at all. 

>> I can sleep in my LR when I have to.

you got me on that one, although after some of the couches i've slept on i 
think it could be done.

later
DaveB
the woods are lovely, dark and deep, an 88's no place for counting sheep...

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 17:45:26 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

At 04:31 PM 23/04/98 EST, dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org, wrote

>.Thanks for all that.  Seems to have worked quite nicely.   I hate to 
>mention this but the reason I decided to do this job was as a result of that 
>endless argument over just what was lubricating the bearings.  Now that I 
>know, I'm not telling.

Wait, let me guess...caribou snot?

later 
:)

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:02:10 -0500
Subject: RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

Room is a particularly important matter. I don't deal with a big dog, =
but with a couple kids, so room needs become greater. Maybe that's the =
way to go. Or not?

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:08:58 +0200
Subject: Re: Wayward wipers

According to the packaging on the otherwise readily available land rover
wiper blades here in Denmark, they are the same size as (or sold as
replacements for) smaller Fiat, Fiatyugo, Mini minor, Mini Clubman,
Hillman Imp, and a whole assortmenty of other "sit up and beg" vehicles
(if you don't understand this expression, then you are not over 6' high
and have tried driving a mini!)

Most fuel stations in Denmark sell them

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:14:04 +0200
Subject: Re: E-mail help needed

Isn't this because some users have set their mailer to send in both
encrypted HTML and mime?

Dunno?

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> Can anybody give me a clue on what is all the trash that comes at the end of 
almost all of the messages I send to the list?
> I haven't figured it out.
> I use the MS Outlook for e-mail.
> LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
> JCCCSA Departamento Legal
> lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
> lgutierr@hotmail.com
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
> lgutierr@hotmail.com

-- 
Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:43:24 +0200
Subject: RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

Diesel is about 6.30 SEK/litre. 1$=7.66 SEK. 
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:21:15 -0700
Subject: RE: Wayward wipers

I think that they are the same size as those on most MGB's??  Canadian
Tire even stocks those.

Paul.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:24:10 -0500
Subject: RE: E-mail help needed

If you tell me where to check that out in the outlook, I can give you an answer.
Something like that was my first guess, but I haven't been able to find where 
that is set.

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:49:13 -0400
Subject: off-roading anyone ? 

I have found about 20 miles of off-road 4wd trails up in Troy NH. They are
all open, I have got to only about 5 miles of what is out there. Went
exporing this evening and found some great power lines to "play" under.

There is a trail open to the top of Little Monadnock mountain, problem is, I
can't find the trail to get to it.

Anyone want to come exploring either this weekend or next. Stricly limited
to 5 vehicles.

Once I can get all these trails down on the map I will run another event.

Mark

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:49:02 -0500
Subject: RE: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

That is almost 3 times the cost for diesel here.
But I guess you get some compensation with well maintained roads.
When I go through paved streets here its almost like driving offroad =
through rocks, because of the potholes!!!!

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:43:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rear Hub Bearing Adjustment

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
 
> Wait, let me guess...caribou snot?.

No,No,.... caribou snot is what's used in winterGREEN flavours of gum and 
breath mints, whale OIL is probably what he found.

***No point arguing, I'm shutting off my PC now.....

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:57:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Confused with terms :-{

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

> The normal term here would be the firewall, but part of the fun is
> being diferent.Or not?

One term that is never used in the North American auto industry is
"firewall". The usual term is "dash" or "dash panel". The part which
contains the instruments, etc. is the "instrument panel".

David Cockey

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:09:50 -0500
Subject: RE: Confused with terms :-{

Firewall is more like an "engine point of view" term for that steel =
division.
If you are looking from the inside of the car, you can see the "dash" =
running from side to side (the whole plastic stuff) and the "instrument =
panel" is in front of the driver, and the "center console" just there, =
in the center.
This is how I see it, and how we call it around here.
(not talking of any Series truck, of course!)

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From: geraldr@idt.net (Gerald Resnick)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:29:56 -0400

The comedian Buddy Hackett reported not a guy in Nairobi with a steering
wheel, rather a motorcycle policeman with a huge smile..... the handle bars
were in his mouth after having been struck by the comedian...driving his
Rover!

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:20:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Wayward wipers

Volvo - unlike Land Rover - still allows their old cars to enter the
dealership lot and get parts.  Volvo 544 and 122 wipers (same skinny arms)
are the same size as Series Land Rovers.

Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:00:05 -0700
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

<mrbeans@bellsouth.net> a.k.a Mohammed Taheri wrote:

> Are you referring to me?  I've never been to Nairobi, I live in
> Charlotte, North Carolina, USA..

 Of course you do.........how's the little teddy? ;-)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:43:22 +0800
Subject: Re: Ilegal stuff

>In which state state is smoking and riving illegal - just curious, to
>make sure I avoid it!
In Singapore, where else!

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:07:29 -1000
Subject: Re: Ilegal stuff

	I knew there was a reason I liked Costa Rica.  I assume the fine is a
stupid tax ie a tax for being dumb enough to smoke.  Now all they need is a
fine on women who install makeup while driving and on anyone not exceding
the speed limit in the left lane. 
	The fine on cel phones is long overdue.  Nearly broadsided an idiot who
pulled out in front of me and stopped while I was doing 50 in the rover.
He apparently was having problems dialing the phone so just stopped
crosswise in my lane.  He was looking at me the whole time and just smiled
and gestured at me with the phone. Seems he felt it was okay if I killed
his sorry a** as long as the call went through.
	We could have a perfect place in Costa Rica.

At 08:31 AM 4/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Now that we are talking of illegal things,
>Is it illegal somewhere else in the world, besides my tiny country, to 
>	-"smoke and drive"-
>If this was normal, is my guess, then why do most cars have ashtrays?
>You get a US$40 fine for doing so.
>Also for talking on a cellular while driving, you get the same.
>LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
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>lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:36:22 EDT
Subject: Series II Discovery Name

The *Series II Discovery*, at least that's what I've heard from LRNA about
what the new/next Disco will be called. Supposed to look like the current
Disco, at first glance, but all the exterior body panels have been changed.
This is the vehicle they'll sow at that Lodge thingy in CO.

I wonder if the one after that will be a SIIa Discovery?

I wouldn't discount another batch of Defenders coming in either. Word is,
they're working on some looong ones... Marin may get his ride after all...

pat
93  110

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From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utk.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:53:51 +0100
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

I've often thought of installing a toggle switch wired into the low tension
lead somewhere inconspicuous in the cabin. Kills ignition, not too obvious
to diagnose either. Of course, I've never gotten around to it...

-joseph
knoxville,tn

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:59:23 +0100
Subject: Re: FFR Charging lights

---------------------- Forwarded by Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC on 04/24/98
08:56 AM ---------------------------

LEE.HENTY@nene.ac.uk on 04/23/98 03:35:02 AM

Please respond to uk-lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: FFR Charging lights

Richard, Try checking the BAK 102relay in the generator control panel to
see is it sticks on. Run with the lid off the box to see this. Set you
idle very low and you should see it click in and out at or around 27.8 to
28 volts. Get the wife to rev up and down to command to see this. There
should be no cuurent flowing with engine off.
Cheers,
Lee Henty
SIII FFr 109"
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Richard Marsden wrote:
> (I'm sending copies to both lists, as I did this for my original posting
-
> if no one is interested on the main list, I'll switch to just using the
UK
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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:04:40 +0100
Subject: Re: Found a new deal. Want opinions.

>The other is smaller, but quicker.
>What would be better?
There is only one answer:   Both!  :-)

>LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
>JCCCSA Departamento Legal
>lgutierr@jccr.co.cr

Land Rovers and your fair country were on the radio (BBC R4) within the
last week. They've been running a series with field scientists writing a
letter home (ie. read out on the radio). So far we've had a British
Antarctic Survey glaciologist, and an Open University Volcanologist. The
latter was still topical - a prominent OU professor was killed a couple of
years ago - in Nicaragua??.
Anyway, she was in Costa Rica and Nicaragua looking at her volcanoes. She
listed the Field Assistant's work... and yep "repairing Land Rovers" was in
the list!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:39:53 +0000
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

>You have a Newfoundland deterrent also???  Mine is the Landseer model!
>David
No,just a Jack Russell,and a Jack Russell/Corgi X.I keep hoping they'll
grow.......:-)

Mike Rooth

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