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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 110 Rust Corrosion Estimate

At 08:50 PM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:

Sure, I can take a "good joke" as well as the next but there's a big
difference between "fun" and needlessly flaming every D110 owner on the list.

>Not that I plan on having anywhere near that amount of cash anytime soon
but I >would certainly hope that some sudden influx of cash wouldn't drain
either my >sense of humor or my common sense to know when someone is making
a harmless >joke....

Not everyone has "sudden influxes of cash" that allow them to have what they
have obtained.  Some of us work for what we make and spend it how we choose.
Again, there's a big difference between a harmless joke and needless
"dissing" of others.  Well, got to go to work!  <g>
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW
'93 D110

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:10:53 -0400
Subject: Re: reasonable price?

>Is it reasonable to pay US$1400 for a Defender bonett ?
>This is the price for a new one in the LR dealership.

Call this guy, he had a brand new one to sell for 600. Isn't going to use it.
Mike Luke 508-480-0825
See ya!

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:16:37 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Parts interchangeability

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> If I wanted to move the breakfast on a SIII to be flush with the wings, does
> anybody knows if a Defender bonett would fit?
Paul Oxley wrote
>> No, you would have a problem with the "fit" where the bonnet lip closes
>> over the breakfast (radiator holder). ... use a 110 breakfast.

Is it really this simple ? What about hinge & fittings placement etc.

I know Craddocks sell a 'defender style' conversion kit for the SIII but does 
this only consist of a Defender bonnet and breakfast ?

I had always assumed it was a custom item.

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:48:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: FFR Charging lights

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Richard Marsden wrote:

> My father's thoughts:  the temperature unit on the Kenlowe is playing up. I
> have my suspicions about whether this is on, but surely it isn't getting
> any power?   (haven't checked yet)

If you have traced the current leak to the flasher and brake light
circuit, then that is where your problem is.   Pull this fuse to see if
you have any other leaks.  If you don't than the fan shouldn't be getting
power, unless it is on the brake light circuit.

> To me it sounds a bit like a relay (solid state or otherwise) is
sticking
> on?

Maybe, do you have two flashers in this circuit?- one for the
directionals, and the other for the hazard lights.  I have had them go bad
and leak current.  The other possiblities I can think of are a switch that
goes from on to only-sortta-on instead of on/off, or a shorted wire.  

David

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From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:47:44 -0400
Subject: MARYLAND ALERT...COMMENTS UNTIL MAY 12th. (long)

Please accept my apologies for the length of this. This legislation has the
potential to limit even the tyres you choose to use. Even if you don't live
in Maryland, your state could be next!

 		REGULATORY ALERT

 MARYLAND PROPOSES UNACCEPTABLE RESTRICTIONS TO SUSPENSION ALTERATIONS

 The Maryland Department of Transportation has proposed restrictive and
 enerous regulations specifying the amount of a vehicle's suspension and
 body can be raised or lowered beyond the original manufacturers'
 specifications.  The proposal seeks to ban vehicles which have been
 "altered in a manner that would reduce the effectiveness of its bumpers
 or suspension or render the vehicle dangerous in the event of an
 accident."  Owners of vehicles which have been raised or lowered would
 have the expensive and time-consuming responsibility to remove the
 prohibited components to conform to original specifications.  The effect
 of these regulations if finalized, would be drastic for the industry and
 its customers.

 Under the proposed regulation, a vehicle would be rejected at inspection
 if:

 * An installed body lift exceeds 2 inches
 * There is a combination body and suspension lift
 * An installed suspension lift exceeds 2 inches
 * The tires are not of the size originally installed by the vehicle
 manufacturer, a vehicle manufacturer upgrade size or an acceptable
 substitute
 * A vehicle is equiped with an aftermarket suspension lift kit which the
 manufacturer recommends for off-road use
 * A body mount location is equipped with a hydraulic or pneumatic
 lifting device.

 As you see, Maryland appears poised to impose unnecessarily burdensome
 vehicle suspension requirements without substantiating that the
 regulation will improve highway safety or provide other tangible
 benefits.

 The agency is accepting public comments until May 12, 1998.
 Comments can be sent to Capt. R. Joel Underwood, Maryland State Police
 Automotive Safety Enforcement Division, 6601 Ritchie Highway, NE., Glen
 Burnie, MD 21062, or faxed to 410-760-5466.  For more information or to
 obtain a copy of the proposal, Please contact Steve McDonald or Brian
 Caudill at the SEMA Washington D.C. office at 202-783-6007

 ============================================================
 This mailing list is proudly sponsored by Off-Road.com, Inc.
 The Off Road Network, at "http://www.off-road.com"

Preston Stevens
pstevens@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us
United FWDA Director of Marketing
United FWDA Web Site (http://www.ufwda.org)

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:59:12 -0500
Subject: RE: Parts interchangeability

Does anybody knows if the change is that simple, or if it can be achived only 
through a major surgery custom work? 

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:14:41 EDT
Subject: Re:  MARYLAND ALERT...COMMENTS UNTIL MAY 12th. (long)

I posted this URL a while back:  http://www.truckworld.com/How-To-
Tech/97-lift-laws/lift-laws.html

I have no grudge against those who feel they should be driving 12 inch lifted
trucks on gonzo swamper tyres everyday on the street, but the State does have
a point in trying to get them off the street and into the dirt (where they
were modified to operate, eh?).

I know that in many cases, the manufacturers of mods say "For Off-Highway Use
Only" but how often is that followed? I mean, how much safety testing to
people do when they modify their vehicles to the extent that we've all seen
running around.

My truck isn't small, but I have been at stoplights where the Che*y next to me
had his bumper at my window height... I've seen people with super tricked out
rovers too, but the owners had the sense to trailer them to where they were
going to play with them.

So, basically, the State wants to be able to say that certain vehicles have
been modified beyond the point at which they comply with some codes and it
then becomes an off-highway recreation vehicle; like motocross bikes, sand-
rail buggies, NASCAR cars, or monster trucks. There isn't too much wrong
there, unless one owns a highly modified vehicle, or one feels they are more
knowledgeable than the vehicle designers... Sometimes it seems that some of
those extreme truck owners confuse the Right to Modify their vehicle with the
Priviledge of Driving It on the street.

Oh well, I'm sure SEMA will be there fighting this one.

pat
93  110

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:30:51 -0400
Subject: RE: Transmission Oils

When I originally purchased my SIII  my overdrive was very noisy and
refused to sync for down/up shifts until stopped (Trevor E. can probably
verify this ;-)  ).  I drained the 90wt and filled it with Mobil 1
Synthetic 75w-90wt, @ $7, US).  Within 100 miles, the OD was MUCH
quieter and began to sync at ANY speed for shifts.  Of course the thin
Mobil 1 drained out within a few hundred more miles, so I chose to
refill w/ 90wt.  The benefits from the dose of synthetic still remain
several thousand miles later, still running on 90wt.
Can't explain why, but it worked for me!

John Tackley
>Richmond, VA

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:37:41 EDT
Subject: Looking for SOLAROS website

Any SOLAROS members on the list? I'm looking for the club's website URL if
they have one. I seem to remember an "emory.edu" address a while back...

Thanks,

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:48:02 EDT
Subject: Re:  Looking for SOLAROS website/Thanks for the URL

Thanks for the address...

--pat.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:48:38 -0500
Subject: Maryland alert - Coments

It is true that limits have to be drawn somewhere. Trucks cant be modified to 
any extreme and always pretend to be street legal.
There is even a great of concern among truck manufacturers about the fact that 
statistically there are more deaths in car accidents where a 4x4 car is 
involved (in the other cars of course), due to car height and greater momentum 
at crash impact (I don't know if that is the right term). And the press has 
given it a great deal of atention. Maybe this Maryland thing is just a 
consequence of that.
But reasons have to be given, and the limits have to be set according to 
studies and research.
For example, in many cases car manufacturers sell their cars with tires (or 
tyres!) that are not the  best suited or sized for the specific cars, but are 
economically correct for their interests. I dont belive that not permiting 
other tire size than the original one is based on any reasonable criteria. I 
think there is going to be a lot of talking about it anyway.
This kind of discussion is far from even happening in my country, but it always 
begins somewhere, watchout!

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 10:48:43 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Transmission Oils

>  The benefits from the dose of synthetic still remain several thousand 
>miles later, still running on 90wt.
>Can't explain why, but it worked for me!

I 've got a better explanation. The previous oil was no longer doing its job. I 
had a similar experience recently where it was very difficult to engage 2nd 
without double clutching on my SIII. I ignored it and then it started to spread 
to toher gears so I changed the oil and now it is much better. I believe that 
the oil was not doing its job in the synchro. I guess if the oil has lost 
viscosity then the synchros will be less able to slow down the gears. BTW my 
2nd gear synchro is a little worn and that is why it was the first to cause 
problems. Works really well now. Slowing down the idle speed also helped alot.
Opinions?
later
DaveB

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:49:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for SOLAROS website

http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros/

Cheers,
Christopher F. Dillard
SoLaRos #132

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 10:54:24 EST
Subject: Re: Spanish over drives

>Does any body know whether it is still possible to buy overdrives 
>manufacures
>in spain, (possibly called a Toro Overdrive). 

try this url for info on Santana OD's and other goodies.

http://www.ticonsole.nl/

cool stuff for series rovers.
****DISK BRAKES**** (no more mud-filled drums and maladjusted shoes)
parabolic srpings
santana OD's!!

oh my...

my stocking shall runneth over...

later
DaveB

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:09:47 EDT
Subject: Re[2]: Transmission Oils

In a message dated 4/22/98 10:53:31 AM, you wrote:

>I 've got a better explanation. The previous oil was no longer doing its job.

I've heard similar opinions; along the lines of: old mineral oil loses its
resistance to "shear", whatever that means. The same effect of renewed life
after a change to fresh oil or going to fresh synthetic oil. Just because the
oil doesn't have to deal with combustion doesn't mean it doesn't wear out,
right?

pat
93 110 (w/ATF in the tranny)

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:31:41 -0700
Subject: Bumper heights - regulations and stuff

For what it is worth....

There are currently both National and in most cases more stringent State
regulations regarding the modifications of vehicle 'bumper' height.
Bumper is the operative word.

The federal regulations require that a bumper must be in the engine 'crush'
area of the body - it is quite lenient - I believe it is from 12 - 22".
This was brought in effect mostly for large trucks and flatbeds/trailers.
You can imagine what running into the rear of a flatbed would be like if
they did not have to place that beam bumper there - you would go under until
the windshield.
California already has similar restrictions that they apply to automobiles
(lowered) and trucks (lifted). - I suppose it could also go the other way
'round.
I think that the main problem with the current regulations has been
enforcement.  I am appalled that a person can lift up a pickup so high that
the hood of my LR would fit under the rear frame!!!!!  They should be off
road only AND they are currently illegal on the road.  State patrol rarely
see it as their duty to enforce this area - so it gets left to inspection
stations (many states do not use inspections) which also will not bring out
the "tapes" unless things are grossly over done.

For those "fearful" of moderate height modifications - moderate being the
operative word - Fear not.  All SUV's currently produced have a bumper
height spread, maximum tire recommendations and differential to ground
clearance spread (some of 2"!!! - allowing a four inch larger tire),
additionally, when I go to an inspection, they ask me where to look up "Land
Rover" for emissions garbage and I have never seen an inspection station
with a list of Land Rover suspension/vehicle height guide numbers.  The
point is if your vehicle has a 6" lift and monster mudders - well I guess
you will (and probable should) be trailering it to the off road sights - you
are more than likely in violation of Federal bumper heights (currently
already in place) and if you are in an accident - regardless of blame - the
1800 SUE THEM lawyers with the other guy will make you aware of the law.

Oh, for what it is worth - one of the reasons I live on a sailboat (with the
ability to move on a whim) is because I can not stand anything more than
gross government guidelines.  AND lawyers are best used for chumming - Let
common sense prevail in all things.

Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:22:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Spanish over drives

In a message dated 4/22/98 11:02:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org writes:

<< try this url for info on Santana OD's and other goodies.
 
 http://www.ticonsole.nl/
 
 cool stuff for series rovers.
 ****DISK BRAKES**** (no more mud-filled drums and maladjusted shoes)
 parabolic srpings
 santana OD's!!
 
 oh my...
 
 my stocking shall runneth over... >>

Thanks Dave,  

I think I may have found a new home page!

Nate

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:30:02 -0600
Subject: Radio Static

I have a cheap CB radio that I cannot use while the engine is running
because of static.  But the am/fm radio works just fine.

What changes would I have to make in plugs, plug harness etc in order to get
rid of the static?

The CB is about the cheapest and nastiest on the market.  Would a better
quality radio be a cheaper alternative to changing plugs etc?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 11:51:13 EST
Subject: Re[3]: Transmission Oils

> old mineral oil loses its resistance to "shear", whatever that means.

shear= force applied perpendicular to the wear surface or object under load.
an engineer might be able to describe it better, but picture it like this:

 _____________
 |            |
 |            | <---   
 |_ _ _ _ _ _ | _ _ _
   --->  |            |
         |            |
   --->  |____________| 

Lets assume that in the above diagram there is a film of oil along the dotted 
line, between the two blocks.
The shear strength of the oil is the amount of force applied in the direction 
of the arrows that the blocks can be subjected to before they move. 
In the case of gearbox synchros, they rely on the shear strength of the oil (a 
factor of viscosity I guess) to stop the gear, so if the viscosity is reduced 
then so is the shear strength and they will be less likely to work.             
    
Of course you all knew that and I'm probably worng anyway...
later
Dave"just enough knowledge to make me dangerous"B.
 The >same effect of renewed life after a change to fresh oil or going to fresh 
synthetic oil. Just because the oil doesn't have to deal with combustion 
doesn't mean it doesn't wear out, right?

pat
93 110 (w/ATF in the tranny)

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From: GcdoAK <GcdoAK@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:02:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Looking for SOLAROS website

In a message dated 98-04-22 10:44:06 EDT, you write:

<< Any SOLAROS members on the list? I'm looking for the club's website URL if
 they have one. I seem to remember an "emory.edu" address a while back...
 
 Thanks,
 
 pat
 93  110
   >>
The address for SOLAROS is http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros/   That link
and many others can be found on my page at 

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5870/

If you go there and don't see something that you know is a good site please
let me know.

Jon Stehn
gcdoak@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5870/

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From: GcdoAK <GcdoAK@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:17:52 EDT
Subject: Re: New Web Page and Rover Web Ring - this time with the address!

In a message dated 98-04-20 06:29:25 EDT, you write:

<< You webring submission page doesn't like
 
 http://www.cix.co.uk/~rigel/alice.htm
 
 it doesn't think its a legal URL.
 My guess it doesn't like the ".htm" suffix???
 
 Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
  >>

I checked out the FAQ for the webring and didn't find anything about the htm
suffix.  Please try it again and let me know how it works.  One thing I did
see was that all the blanks need to be filled in.

If it doesn't work I'll bug the techs at Webring and see what they have to
say.

Jon Stehn
gcdoak@aol.com

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:28:51 -0400
Subject: Re: New Web Page and Rover Web Ring - this time with the address!

Looks pretty interesting. Any damage done upon extraction?

Cheers,
Christopher Dillard
Databse Administrator         Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:42:44 -0400
Subject: MD suspension regs....

First of all, the notice says a vehicle will fail INSPECTION if modified 
beyond, yadda yadda...Those of us who live here only have to have our 
vehicles inspected when we sell them (supposed to be seller's 
responsibility, but for old cars and private sales, that usually never 
happens) so it would not be in the owner's interest to highly modify a 
vehicle that is expected to be sold, nor would anyone with half a brain 
buy such a vehicle. A Land-Rover that you're gonna keep forever, well, 
who cares...
There have always been standards under the Maryland vehicle code 
regarding height of bumpers and such. Whether this proposal is simply 
adjusting the existing law or what, I don't know.  If one wanted to do 
such modifications, they need simply reregister their vehicle as a 
"Street Rod", effectivly circumventing this proposal. 'Sides, in this 
state, the gendarmerie don't seem to pay real close attention to this 
sort of thing unless you're doing something blatantly illegal like 
speeding or running a light.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:46:41 -0700
Subject: RE: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks  - Oops, I 

A buddy of mine installed an electric fuel pump in his '69 SWB (No
separate starter switch).  He also put a non-discript, unlabeled toggle
switch in the dash to power the pump.  Now when he parks the beast, he
flips off the switch.  A few years ago, someone did try to steal it, but
only got about half a block before the carburetor bowl ran dry :-)
BTW is it common for all old Land Rover door locks & ignition switches
to be operable by a screw driver or stout finger nail??  Most of the
ones in Victoria, including mine seem to be. 

After cleaning out my suffering Solex last night, I went to start her up
and found that I had left the ignition key on.  I then confirmed that
there was no spark and traced the problem to the wire inside the
distributor between the LT terminal & the points.  Seems that it turned
into black Lucas dust overnight :-(  Oh well, I'll see if I can scrounge
up a replacement bit tonight.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88.  Can be seen at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: Neil Sheridan <neilsheridan@nac.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:13:22 -0400
Subject: Re: LR Thefts

>>Vel Natarajan wrote:

>>I'm moving to downtown Chicago this summer from the burbs, and have no real
>>fear of my Series LR being stolen (there's not even a radio in there).... I 
mean 
>>how many Chicago-city thieves are going to be capable
>>of shifting with their left hand, double-clutching, and turning the steering
>>wheel on a vehicle with no power steering...AFTER trying to start the darn
>>thing...  In the UK, it's another matter of course...

Vel, I also have an Urban-Rover here in the U.S.   You'll be surprised at how 
many of 
your new neighbors in Chicago will have grown up around and using old Series 
Rovers before
moving to the U.S.  I'd suggest a battery cut-off switch, the nearly useless 
"Club", and some
prudence about where you park it.

My concern has never really been that the non-Rover experienced juvenile car 
theives would
succeed in stealing it, but rather how they would vent their frustration after 
realizing they
couldnt't.

Cheers!

Neil Sheridan
'65 SIIA "The Sheridan Valdez"  -- Soon going into "drydock" for a frameover
Reporting to you from the car theft capital of the country

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:00:34 -0700
Subject: RE: D110 Rust

Said writes:
	>Landrovers after all are cars which are made of steel and
aluminium. Therefore 
	if not well protected steel will in due time rust.  There is no
way to change 
	that unless you use preventive measures like underseal and oil
based products to 
	inject in chassis and bulkhead.<

Newer Land Rovers are indeed made of thinner metals and have less
corrosion protection. From what I've heard, cost cutting measures were
introduced when British Leland took over (in the late 60's?)  and some
of the victims were the panel thickness and the level of galvanization.

Of course the major corrosion problem with Land Rovers is still the
mixing of dissimilar metals (Steel and Aluminium)  Touch these two
together and add a bit of electrolyte (salty water works well)  and you
get a battery cell and all of the corrosion that goes with such an
electro-chemical reaction.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:05:45 -0700
Subject: RE: Bumper heights - regulations and stuff

Weren't bumper height restrictions the reason that Land Rover wend to
the 15 inch wheels in N.A. in the Late '60's?

Paul.

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From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:11:06 -0400
Subject: Parabolic spring availability?

  Is there a source for parabolic springsin the US? Or do I have to go to
the UK if interested. Worth it (on a total frameover rebuild)? Thanks...

Jeff G.
roverboy@gis.net
Boston, MA

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:52:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Overdrive on a Series I

My overdrive in my Series 1 works with no problems. The only way to go.
Peter. (Or)

----------
> From: Sean Morrison <seanm@dnai.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Overdrive on a Series I
> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 12:45 PM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> My Series I has original size tyres and the later 2.0L engine. It seems
> like the overdrive mechanicals would fit, but what I'm really wondering
is
> how well it would drive? My intention would be driving it in modern
> traffic without having to be prepetualy worried about being rear-ended.
> -Sean
> ~ >I keep reading that the Fairey/Superwinch Overdrive fits 'all models'.

> ~ >I have a 54 107" Series I. Does anyone knows the pros and cons of
> ~ >fitting it
> ~ >with overdrive? Would it even be fesible?
> ~ >Thanks,
> ~ >Sean
> ~
> ~ I would would also like to know the answer to this question. I am
> ~ restoring
> ~ a LR Series 1 86" with the original engine. What engine and tyre size
do
> ~ you
> ~ have Sean?
> ~
> ~ Bjrnung Jensen
> ~ Norway
> ~
> ~ I would would also like to know the answer to this question. I am
> ~ restoring

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 13:45:39 EST
Subject: Re: Parabolic spring availability?

  >Is there a source for parabolic springsin the US? Or do I have to go to
>the UK if interested. Worth it (on a total frameover rebuild)? Thanks...

Great Basin rovers. The number is on the website

http://www.ticonsole.nl/

let us know if you get em.

later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 14:38:51 EST
Subject: 110 Corrosion/Rust/Russ

Too much Coil-Sprung traffic. Please keep coil-specific stuff on the CSO list.
Thanks

DaveB
We can all share the information superhighway... just stay out of MY lane!

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 14:35:19 EST
Subject: Parabolic Springs Again 

So.
What again are the advantages/disadvantages of parabolic springs on series 
rovers.

I already understand that they are supposed to:

1. increase ride height slightly
2. make smoother ride

so what i want to know is
1. are the above two items really true
2. do they help articulation off road
3. what about longevity; i am skeptical about longevity of standard springs, 
seen too many cases where they are flat or other in several years time.
4. Can I use polybushes with them? Just asking.
5. Does anyone on the list have them?
6. Should I go with the 3 or 4 leaf in the back. Seems 3 would make the most 
sense
7. What is meant by parabolic. How are these different from regular springs.
8. Please only knowledgable answers

thanks
DaveB

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 22 Apr 1998 16:02:00 -0400
Subject: 110 Corrosion/Rust/Russ

Why the sudden interest in Plushie rust and rot?  Like it
isn't like it is anything new.  I remember the 1994 British 
Invasion at Stowe Vermont.  There was a 110 or so there 
and you could see the rust marks coming down from under 
the ungalvanised body cappings.  Face it, the steel isn't as 
good as it is in the older vehicles (check out some of those 80"s
frames vs the Series III where they rot before your eyes.  
The 90's stuff is probably worse, since the III's have had 25 
years to get to this point).  So they are not as good as the
Heritage models in some respects.  Get used to it.  I'll betcha
a lot of D90's will have rear tubs that look like Bobeck's before
long (and you can't dance on the wings as people tend to do
to Dave's truck.)

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:50:28 -0400
Subject: Re - Engineeering problems

  I machined 3/16' off a 7:1 cylinder head, this is greater than the
difference  between 7 and 8 to 1.  I could not set the tappets, I looked in
the book for the shorter push rods and my list showed tthe same part number.
I added a 0.030' shim under the rocker shaft support blocks in order to be
able to  get tappet clearance.
 When I started the engine the tappets fouled the rocker cover and I had to
remove material from the inside of the rocker cover to get clearance.
 The clearance could also be affected by the depth of the machining for the
valve seats, if the valve sits deeper it will reduce the tappet adjustment
range.
 The difference between a 7 and 8 comp ration can probably easily be covered
by the existing push rods
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:59:55 -0400
Subject: Spanish overdrives

The Toro overdrive I looked at  many years ago was a copy of the Fairey, the
only difference I noted was the number of teeth on the gearbox output shaft
gear / spline, the Toro was a bigger tooth form. The internals  looked
identical to the fairey.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:36:15 +1200
Subject: RR wheels on a series 3

Hello to all on the list.
: If the SIII is fitted with free-wheel hubs, you won't without cutting the
: centres out.  I saw a SIII last weekend with Rangie steel rims fitted. 
They
: looked terrible with the roughly cut holes.
Here in New Zealand we had a 8 year girl KILLED at a stock car meeting. The
driver had modiefied the wheel rims..read as butchered. The wheel came off
the car bounced over the saftey fence and reduced the young girls head to
pulp. He is now up on a manslaughter charge that is good for 7 years in
jail. So before altering such vital equipment, check it out first!!

Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
Series 3
tomd@clear.net.nz
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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:27:35 EDT
Subject: RE: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks  - Oops, I

In a message dated 4/22/98 12:54:45 PM, you wrote:

>BTW is it common for all old Land Rover door locks & ignition switches
>to be operable by a screw driver or stout finger nail??  Most of the
>ones in Victoria, including mine seem to be. 

At the risk of offending some by mentioning something newer... The newer ones
seem to be key-interchangeable as well. When I picked up my LR from the
dealer, they gave me someone else's keys... the doors all unlocked just fine.
Since then, i've tried my door key on some other D's and it worked on some,
and on others, only on the rear door.

pat
93  110

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:36 -0700
Subject: Very good automotive troubleshooting site.

I found this site on the Web.

http://www.autosite.com/garage/encyclop/tocdoc.asp

It covers just about every topic of automotive maintenance and repair in
quite good detail.  I learned a few things about carburetors.

Check it out!

Paul in Victoria.

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:07:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Parabolic Springs Again 

To save repeating a whole bunch of information here - I researched the long
way....
May of LRW does an excellent article.  Contact me if you want to talk to a
real person who uses them in the Amazon.  They are, however a bit to rich
for my blood, but they do everything claimed. see below
wahooadv@earthlink.net

Cheers
David
Wahoo Adventures - Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

>So.
>What again are the advantages/disadvantages of parabolic springs on series
>rovers.
>I already understand that they are supposed to:
>1. increase ride height slightly (1-2" depending on leaf)
>2. make smoother ride (no, much smoother)

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>so what i want to know is
>1. are the above two items really true (yes, if you don't believe so, it is
physics - like gravity)
>2. do they help articulation off road (substantually)
>3. what about longevity; i am skeptical about longevity of standard
springs,
>seen too many cases where they are flat or other in several years time.
(outstanding - you could go to Central America and get a good used pair of a
Santana to please you)
>4. Can I use polybushes with them? Just asking. (not recommended)
>5. Does anyone on the list have them? (Aks and I will e-mail the NA
supplier)
>6. Should I go with the 3 or 4 leaf in the back. Seems 3 would make the
most
>sense. (3 - for most applications)
>7. What is meant by parabolic. How are these different from regular
springs. (Vs elliptical - what you have now.  Seriously, they are about as
far apart in engineering tech. as you can just about get, without coil tech.
Elliptical predate shocks and work by friction between the many leafs.
Parabolics work by flexing the tapered steel leafs)
>8. Please only knowledgable answers. SEE LRW, MAY 1998, PG 108
>thanks
>DaveB
>I already understand that they are supposed to:
>1. increase ride height slightly (1-2" depending on leaf)
>2. make smoother ride (no, much smoother)

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:52:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: LR Thefts - Anti Theft Switches, Wimpy Door Locks  - Oops, I

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, SPYDERS wrote:

> In a message dated 4/22/98 12:54:45 PM, you wrote:
> >BTW is it common for all old Land Rover door locks & ignition switches
> >to be operable by a screw driver or stout finger nail??  Most of the
> >ones in Victoria, including mine seem to be. 

This is a common problem on all sorts of cars.  Locks on cars tend to be
cheap. They are also exposed to the elements.  This means with 30 years of
use, they don't work as well as they were supposed to.  It doesn't help
that people tend to have fairly heavy key chains, which causes wear on
locks.

David/mr sinclair  

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:54:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Bumper heights - regulations and stuff

Paul Quin wrote:
> Weren't bumper height restrictions the reason that Land Rover wend to
> the 15 inch wheels in N.A. in the Late '60's?
> Paul.

  
  Don't think so. It was more likely that the NA market had all but
given up on 16 inch tires and they were very hard to get in the smaller
sizes. 6.50 x16 is still hard to find.
    John and Muddy

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:59:14 EDT
Subject: Don't feed the madness

On Tue, 21 Apr 98, Dave"as nasty as I wanna be"Bobeck wrote:

"ok Russ, just stop pissing off the coilers.  They can't help the way their
trucks are made.  I like you too buddy.  (big hug) Are you going to move to
Denver?  There's lots of C.S.O.s that would love to hear your opinions in
person...watch it or your next high altitude jump may be sans parachute."

Hey!  Be nice!  Denver is a mighty good place to live.

While there are a lot of coil sprung Rovers here and many of them are owned
by the usual clueless status seekers, there are some fine folks here who
appreciate and use the fine machines they are fortunate enough to own.

As evidence, see my photo of a WORKING D90 on the opening page of our club
website: www.solihullsociety.org

Recuerdos,

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover
1971 Nikon


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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:02:56 EDT
Subject: Land Rover Factory Options

I was re-organizing my Great Paper Slide, and pulled out a LR Italy Options
Brochure from 95/96. (yes this does have relevance to Series owners)

Among the items listed in the brochure were the following:

Overdrive......................RTC 8020       SII, IIa, III excluding V8
models

Free Wheel Hubs........RTC  8162      SIIa 88 & 109, SIII 88
..........................................RTC  8163      SIII 109

PTO................................FTC 988          90/110/130 4cyl
........................................FTC 989          90/110/130  V8 5sp.
........................................FTC  3543       90/110/130 V8 4sp.

Rear Ski Racks.........IAC 15250/15371/521   3/6/4pairs

pat
93  110

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:15:54 +0200
Subject: The simplest anti theft devices...

The best antitheft device I have ever heard suggested on this list wast
the one about fitting fre-wheel hubs to all four wheels, and then
disengaging these when parking the car - simple, and very effective.

A similar trick is to put the lo-hi selector in neutral, most non lro's
would not think of this, and how many lro's actuall steal cars?

I sugesst we run a thread on not som obvious anti theft devices -
inpiration for ingenuity?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:29:44 -0600
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

At 02:15 AM 23/04/98 +0200, Adrian Redmond, wrote

>I sugesst we run a thread on not som obvious anti theft devices -
>inpiration for ingenuity?

I don't have external door locks on my Sll so what I do when I'm out for a
good tramp with the dogs is take the rotor out of the distributor.  In
Africa the people I was working with would swap the plug leads around on the
distributor cap.   I think a good memory would be essential here when it
comes time to go home.

In Nairobi I met a guy who would remove the steering wheel from his truck
whenever he parked it.  Carried the thing with him everywhere too.

As for lro's never stealing --- I'm not too sure.  I lost two wiper blades
in Ottawa a couple of years ago and there aren't too many vehicles that use
those.  Then too, last summer here in Calgary somebody had a serious try at
getting my OVLR (Ottawa Valley Land Rovers) badege off the grill but failed
because I'd cotter pinned the nuts in anticipation of just this sort of
souvenir taking.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:37 -0700
Subject: Re: More Confussion with terms :-]  Firewalls

Waitaminute!  I thought it was a King Dick!

IBEdwardp wrote:
> Shifting spanner Vs Cresent wrench

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:57:54 +0800
Subject: Re: Maryland alert - Coments

>This kind of discussion is far from even happening in my country, but it
>always begins somewhere, watchout!
In my country (Singapore) U can't fit your vehicle with anything other than
what was original. Tyres other than those specced by the manufacturer are
illegal. "Sport" rims like the Mangels 8-spoke are strictly illegal.
235/85R16 tyres are similarly no no.

Converting your carburettored car to fuel injection for better efficiency
and reduced emissions? Illegal.

Fog lamps and auxillary driving lights other than those that come with the
car are illegal. Even changing the wattage of your semi sealed beam bulb is
in the strictest sense of the matter, illegal.

Bull bars and running boards - illegal.

Winches on a non recovery-registered rover ( a lot of Rovers are registered
as tow trucks here) illegal.

Snorkels - illegal.

Air horns - illegal.

Changing the orientation of the paratroop seats from side facing to forward
facing... you guessed it, illegal.

The list of things that contravene local vehicle laws can go on ad
infinitum. Normally, LROs that want to drive a rover in Singapore roads but
want offroad modifications done to their cars either :

        (a) buy, modify and keep a Malaysian registered rover across the border
            (just across a 1mile channel and where there are none of these
            Bu**sh*t rules to car mods, and also where we all go for our
            offroading)

        (b) run the risk of getting the car impounded and the owner fined.

Consider yourselves lucky, but hold on with all that U can whatever
LIBERTIES U still may have with sensible mods to your car.

Have a nice day all.

PS. Disc brakes work better than Drums, making them safer for all road
users right? Illegal!!! and I've not come to fitting ABS yet. Our traffic
rules were written probably during the time the British were our colonial
masters, and they have not evolved ever since! The attitude of our LTA
(Land Transport Authority) is - if its not broke, don't fix it.

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:18:02 +0800
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Back in my national service days in the recon platoon, we used to remove
the distributor cap (or rotor which is not so obvious and bulky) when we
leave the military jeeps in a hide. Of course, these vehicles  came sans
doors and key switches.

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: Mohammed Taheri <mrbeans@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:15:50 -0400
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Hi everyone, speaking of simple anti-theft stuff, HELLA makes a battery
master switch that's operated by its own key, you can leave the key in
to always have the battery "on" or take key out to turn the battery
"off."  It's also waterproof.  The part number is "87181."

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:16:02 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Maryland alert - now Singapore alert

Didn't you forget:

...Chewing gum: Illegal

long hair (on men): Illegal

I'm not sure about bad breath, but it may be illegal too.

One benefit must be that if you find a Land Rover for sale there, there must
not be too many SPOTs on it; it ought to be all stock and close to good
condition, right?

pat
93  110

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:30:25 +0800
Subject: Re:  Re: Maryland alert - now Singapore alert

Didn't you forget:

...Chewing gum: Illegal

long hair (on men): Illegal

Oh I forgot... not flushing the loo after use, illegal!

>One benefit must be that if you find a Land Rover for sale there, there must
>not be too many SPOTs on it; it ought to be all stock and close to good
>condition, right?
Not quite... most rovers were hand-me-downs when the British, Australian
and NZ army vacated their bases some ten, fifteen years ago. Sold as scrap
for as cheap as S$1200 for a lot of 5 running SerII 88s, they were quickly
snapped up for duty as towtrucks.

Now after ten-odd years of pulling other cars along and with a big
crocodile jack permantly sitting at the back, these cars are normally
almost on their last legs. Buying one of these normally means buying over
the legal doccuments. A used frame, engine etc are sourced from Malaysia
very cheaply, and "certain cosmetic surgical procedures" are performed to
bring engine and chassis numbers to tally with said legal doccument. The
original vehicle is used for parts, or modified for offroad use and left
permanently in Malaysia.

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Then too, last summer here in Calgary somebody had a serious try at
>getting my OVLR (Ottawa Valley Land Rovers) badege off the grill but failed
>because I'd cotter pinned the nuts in anticipation of just this sort of
>souvenir taking.
Damn!, I was wondering what was holding that little bugger on.   I almost
had it too.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Todd Milliard <TGMilliard@sprintmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:59:46 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Bravo Nate, an intern for your efforts!

owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com wrote:

> Land-Rover-Owner List &  Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List
>         are proudly sponsored by the
>         Empire Rover Owners Society
>                 "Serving the Great State of New York, the Empire State,
>                      and former British Colonials, everywhere !"
> Tired of Too Much E-mail ?  -- Go Wired !  read this digest daily at

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> BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
> Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
QUIT

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From: Todd Milliard <TGMilliard@sprintmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:59:46 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Bravo Nate, an intern for your efforts!

owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com wrote:

> Land-Rover-Owner List &  Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List
>         are proudly sponsored by the
>         Empire Rover Owners Society
>                 "Serving the Great State of New York, the Empire State,
>                      and former British Colonials, everywhere !"
> Tired of Too Much E-mail ?  -- Go Wired !  read this digest daily at

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:32:29 +0800
Subject: Links for websites (no LR content)

I am in the process of learning how to publish web pages, and I have a question.

What is the right thing that people do if they want to link someone else's
site to their page? Is it proper protocol to contact the site owner to get
permission to include links of their page in mine?

My apologies for the non Land Rover content.

Any comments and thoughts appreciated. Please email me direct at:

        torque@pacific.net.sg

Thank you.

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:32:09 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Spanish over drives

I got a Toro overdrive from D.A.P. in Vermont (802) 885-6660 a couple years
ago.  Don't know if they still have 'em.

Bill

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From: "shawn moore" <rover110@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:10:49 +0100
Subject: defender 110 with mazda engine

ihave a110 with a mazda sl35 diesel i have no information on this conversion
and cant find any, has any one heard of this apparently popular conversion
and if so any spec on it however little with thanks
shawn   rover110@msn.com.

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:26:55 +0100
Subject: RE:110 Corrosion/Rust/Russ

Not all 90s are the same.  I have just bought a 88 90 Turbo Diesel.  The 
Chassis 
is in excellent conditions.

The point is: 

If you take preventive measures the chassis and bulkhead will last long.  If 
not 
they will rot in few years.

Thanks
Geoffrey

Kenner, Dixon:
>Why the sudden interest in Plushie rust and rot?  Like it
>isn't like it is anything new.  I remember the 1994 British 
>Invasion at Stowe Vermont.  There was a 110 or so there 
>and you could see the rust marks coming down from under 
>the ungalvanised body cappings.  Face it, the steel isn't as 
>good as it is in the older vehicles (check out some of those 80"s

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>long (and you can't dance on the wings as people tend to do
>to Dave's truck.)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:32:45 +0100
Subject: Re: FFR Charging lights

(I've been reading everyone's comments - I know I haven't replied to them
all - but they *are* appreciated!)

You know what, this sounds like the bit I was thinking of lastnight.

Basically, I've isolated the Kenlowe fan from the equation (and by
replacing the fuses - show that the override works - a fuse from Halfords
is a lot cheaper than a new fan!   Don't know about the temp. sensor but
I'm not bothered at this point)

What happens, fits with this relay idea...
Charge light goes between the fuse box and the genny panel.

1.) Everything off - Charge light is OFF.    (correct)

2.) Turn ignition key ON.  Fuse box goes HIGH.  Hence light goes ON.
(correct)

3.) Start engine.  Genny Panel goes HIGH.   Light goes OFF   (correct)

4.) Stop engine. Fuse box goes LOW. Genny Panel stays HIGH,   Light goes ON
(wrong)

5.) Turn ignition key (but not start engine).  Fuse box goes HIGH.  Genny
Panel remains HIGH
light goes OFF (wrong).

After it went dark (spent much of the time investigating circuitry -
including the hypothesis that a capacitor in the suppression filter had
died), I spent a while staring at the circuitry - and I can't figure the
(transistorised) Genny Panel diagram out.   It looks like they've drawn a
diagram of the relay - but it looks like it should short out, to me.
(see pictures refed off http://www.cix.co.uk/~rigel/alice.htm)

It helps if I can understand this diagram - then I could check for shorts,
gaps, dud components,etc.

Perhaps I need another Genny Panel?  :-)     [at least they're easy to swap
in]

Re: Wife : I'm lucky enough not to have one :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

LEE.HENTY@nene.ac.uk on 04/23/98 03:35:02 AM

Please respond to uk-lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: FFR Charging lights

Richard, Try checking the BAK 102relay in the generator control panel to
see is it sticks on. Run with the lid off the box to see this. Set you
idle very low and you should see it click in and out at or around 27.8 to
28 volts. Get the wife to rev up and down to command to see this. There
should be no cuurent flowing with engine off.
Cheers,
Lee Henty
SIII FFr 109"
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Richard Marsden wrote:
> (I'm sending copies to both lists, as I did this for my original posting
-
> if no one is interested on the main list, I'll switch to just using the
UK
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 88 lines)]

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:34:54 +0100
Subject: Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Perhaps that's what I need for my charge light!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

mrbeans@bellsouth.net on 04/23/98 03:15:50 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: The simplest anti theft devices...

Hi everyone, speaking of simple anti-theft stuff, HELLA makes a battery
master switch that's operated by its own key, you can leave the key in
to always have the battery "on" or take key out to turn the battery
"off."  It's also waterproof.  The part number is "87181."

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