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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:22:59 +1000
Subject: 530 Land Rovers at Easter

Sorry for the cross-post but I thought you'd like to know that at the 50th
Anniversary LR Celebrations in Cooma, Australia, there were 530 LR of
various types all crowded into one paddock.  There were more at Cooma but
some people didn't take them to the paddock.

It was quite a sight.

I don't know the breakdown of numbers by model but there were 83 Discos and
about 77 Rangies (oh, and 3-4 Freelanders).

I took 11 rolls of film which I'll take to San Francisco.  Some pix will end
up on my web site real soon now.

By heck there were some lovely cars there.  I was very tempted to buy a 1959
Series 1 shorty with ahrd top and tropical roof for $1700.  I rang the bloke
who had it advertised but he wasn't home.

Ron

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:22:59 +1000
Subject: 530 Land Rovers at Easter

Sorry for the cross-post but I thought you'd like to know that at the 50th
Anniversary LR Celebrations in Cooma, Australia, there were 530 LR of
various types all crowded into one paddock.  There were more at Cooma but
some people didn't take them to the paddock.

It was quite a sight.

I don't know the breakdown of numbers by model but there were 83 Discos and
about 77 Rangies (oh, and 3-4 Freelanders).

I took 11 rolls of film which I'll take to San Francisco.  Some pix will end
up on my web site real soon now.

By heck there were some lovely cars there.  I was very tempted to buy a 1959
Series 1 shorty with ahrd top and tropical roof for $1700.  I rang the bloke
who had it advertised but he wasn't home.

Ron

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:27:38 +0100
Subject: RE:Re: leaky swivel seal

Can it be that the axle breathers are blocked and this is creating pressure 
inside the axle.  This will also lead to a leak.

Thanks
Geoffrey

TeriAnn Wakeman:
>;>TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>;>> Take a new swivel seal and carefully cut through
>;>> it taking care to damage it the least possible.
>;> Kinda radical eh? I'd prefer to separate the swivel ball from the axle 
>;>casing, pull the assy off, and then slip a new seal over the ball.

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>"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
>Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "camilo osejo" <camiloosejo@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:52:48 PDT
Subject: the real thing....

Hi all,

Can anybody tell me the truth?...
I have a doubt, what is and what is used for, that big hole that all the 
series have on the rear bumper??
I have heard so many things but I wander wich one is truth, as you can 
imagine, no one around here uses it.

Thanks

Camilo Osejo
Bogota Colombia

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:54:16 -0400
Subject: Re: the real thing....

Re: Hole in the rear crossmember:

That is for the driveshaft of a power-take-off device from the
transmission.

If you look through it, you'll see another hole much like it in the next
crossmember forward, then the rear of the transmission's transfer case. A
coupling could have been installed here to allow the ROver to power things
like threshers, saws and similar items.

                    ajr

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: the real thing....

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, camilo osejo wrote:

> Can anybody tell me the truth?...
> I have a doubt, what is and what is used for, that big hole that all the 
> series have on the rear bumper??

The rear power take-off pases through that hole as well as couple others
on chassis crossmembers.  

david

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From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:44:13 -0400
Subject: re: the real thing....

The big hole in rear bumper of a Series vehicle is to accomodate a Power
Take Off (PTO) unit. This allows you to use the engine to run a number of
farm implements (like fertilizer spreaders), "powered" trailers, pumps and
even a lumber mill.

Rgds. RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:45:00 EDT
Subject: rear oil seal?

While topping off various oil compartments on Tigger yesterday, I noticed a
fair amount of oil are the rear of the transfer case and the area near and
around the  handbrake drum.  The PO confirmed that the rear seal probably went
out.

How hard is this one to replace?  Pull the shaft, pull the handbrake, etc?  Do
I need a special tool (seal puller?) to get the old one out?  

Looking for advice!

Thanks!
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:49:37 -0400
Subject: Re: rear oil seal?

Rear oil seal is not a biggish deal - it's a bit involved as for the
assembly/disassembly of various bits.

Personally, I'd yank the rear shaft, disassemble the handbrake and drop it
in a biucket of degreaser, pull the rear propshaft drive flange and inspect
it for grooving, pull/replace the seal, clean, grease and reassemble.

Make damned sure you tighten the flange nut up, otherwise the dreaded
speedo syndrome will find you...

                         aj"Cleaning the linkage might be a good idea
too!"r

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:00:24 EDT
Subject: Land Rover Club Meeting Anouncem

The Solihull Society is meeting at 7:00 pm, Tuesday, April 14, 1998,
at the Zang Brewing Company in Denver.  Zang's is located on the
corner of 7th Street and Water Street just northeast of the 23rd
Avenue exit from I-70.  This meeting will be open to all who are
interested in Land Rovers.  Any list readers who might be able to
attend would be welcome.

Paul Donohue
Club Secretary
1965 Land Rover Dormobile

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From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Shipping/UK to US?

I would like to export from the UK to the US a Rover from southern
England....does anyone have any advice on brokers/shippers to use...
I would like to go Southhampton to Boston if possible ?  I've only ever
done this from London(Tilbury) to Boston and that was 30 years ago

TIA

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
POB 352, Machiasport
Maine, 04654
207-255-4036

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the chefs are British, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics
French, the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:02:50 -0500
Subject: Seeking advise on SIII LWB restoration

Dear list:

I was going to buy a working 1974 SIII 88" but I found another deal two days 
ago.
I found a FOR SALE sign on a 1972 109 which in general looks OK, some work to 
be done on the front end, the frame is OK,  but has been stalled for a couple 
years. So the engine (a diesel one) almost certainly will have to be rebuild (I 
guess). The problem is that without the engine I have no idea on how the 
diferentials, gearbox and transfer box will be. LWBs are not common here to 
come by, and the price is around US$1800. (which sounds really cheap! My 
mechanic was astonished with that price.)
I'm concerned about what the price for a mechanical restoration would be. If I 
cant find the needed parts here I will have to order them from your somewhere 
else (UK?, USA?). Do you pepple know aproximately how much money would be 
involved in this task? In your countries of course! (I just want a ball-park 
number to make myself an idea.)
I have no one here to talk about this matter here, except for all you people, 
and the preliminary information I have come by is very dissapointing. I thouth 
that maybe someone who has undertaken at least part of this job, somewhere in 
the world, could give me some advise. 
I live in Costa Rica, Central America. There are many LR around here, but it 
seems to be that parts are not as readily avaiable as I thought. 
My mechanic told me that I could expect to spend US$2000 only on rebuilding the 
engine, US$1000 more on the gear box, US$500 on brakes job alone, and then 
begin thinking on finding the two front wings to be replaced with no idea of 
their cost. Are this prices similar to the prices you can find?
Are diesel LWBs as incredibly slow as people say, or even slower?
My mechanic has warned me not to do it. But I really liked this car.
This are a lot of questions, but I'm looking for some friendly advise!!

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
JCCCSA Departamento Legal
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "Boqvist,Holgerson" <ostkant@algonet.se>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:28:51 +0100
Subject: Re: MB300D convertion question

>Anders,
>While I did suggest that we look into it, I unfortunately do not have any
>experience with it. 88 or 109!
>I belive that the fitting would be very simmilar. One would need to adjust
>the suspension to accomodate a diesel if going from a petrol.
>The idea has been discussed in terms of utilizing a second hand or available
>2.25D bell housing and fabricating an addapter plate. It is my understanding
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>stage.
>John Wood

I spoke with a man here in Sweden that used a convert "kit" for MB diesels
in his 109. He did not know who made it, or where it comes from.  The Kit
came with the car when he bought it. This convert kit was a turned MB
flywheel, a turned addapter plate and modified MB clutch plate. Is this,
what he calls a "Kit," something that could be order over disk, or could it
be a local-made thing? It was not a cut out bell housing from the engine,
or the gearbox, welded with something fabricated.

A MB 240 d or 300 d is rather easy to find and not at all expensive here in
Europa. If there is somebody out there who know about a "convert kit",
please let me know.

Anders

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From: "jhonathan more" <jonmore@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:27:23 PDT
Subject: Services Offer (LR-Searchers)

Land Rover Enthusiasts:

We are a small company offering a new service.
We are able to locate, recondition and ship to the continental USA
any Land Rover car within the following limitations:
Year Models: Between 1960 and 1980
Series: II, IIA and III, SWB only (with possible exceptions)
The price, shipping method and shipping costs will be aranged with each 
costumer, depending on the car and special conditions.
The period of time for location will vary depending on availability, 
always within reasonable times.
All paperwork for introduction in the USA are taken care by us.
On the near future we will be offering guided OFF ROADING tour packages 
to tropical destinations, including a vintage Series Land Rover for you 
to use on the trip and be sent later to you to the USA.
Information inquiries about both of our services are welcome.
The use of this "...@hotmail.com" e-mail adress is only temporal, as we 
are just beginig in the use of Internet Advertisement. A WWW adress will 
be forwarded later on.

Jhonathan More
General Manager
GUTZ & MORE
Land Rover Specialists
and Tour Managers

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:17:35 -0700
Subject: Brake Master Assy

Does anyone have a trick for separating the resovoir of the dual master 
from the base. I'm hung up again on trying to get that little circlip out 
without damaging the plastic bowl.

Con Seitl
1973 III "Pig"

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From: "Boqvist,Holgerson" <ostkant@algonet.se>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:04:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Seeking advise on SIII LWB restoration

>Dear list:
>I was going to buy a working 1974 SIII 88" but I found another deal two
>days ago.
>I found a FOR SALE sign on a 1972 109 which in general looks OK, some work
>to be done on the front end, the frame is OK,  but has been stalled for a
>couple years. So the engine (a diesel one) almost certainly will have to
>be rebuild (I guess). The problem is that without the engine I have no
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>lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
>lgutierr@hotmail.com

If you not are going to do the work yourself it´s always more safe and
inexpensive to buy something that runs. Engine, brakes, electrical stuff
always dies when cars not are in use regular.
In my world (Sweden) an US$1800 is all right if the frame is OK. My 72 109
Diesels was US$300 but the frame is far from OK. It runs and looks nice to.
The other problem, beside the frame on this car is the gearbox that sounds
like a bunch of wild horses on reverse in low ??? Regarding the power, I
dont know if my car need some adjustment but it is slow or even more than
that.
I´m going to use it as a parts car.
My advice is as all your friend is going to tell you; Buy something that
you can  run home with a smile on your lips.

Anders

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From: PScales <pscales@blvl.igs.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:04:43
Subject: Ancaster, Ontario - Apr 19

Any other Land Rover people coming to the Ancaster, Ontario, British swap
meet on Sunday, April 19th?  If yes, is there a way some of us could meet
for coffee?

Peter
Trenton, Ontario

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:52:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Services Offer (LR-Searchers)

I don't know whether I'm more impressed with your quaint offer or your 
spelling, but I think you'd be better served trying to sell to people who 
DON'T already have Series Land Rovers, Mr. Spam.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "jhonathan more" <jonmore@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:27:25 PDT
Subject: Re: Services Offer (LR-Searchers)

Dear Mr. Adams:

I'm sorry you are not pleased with my spelling, but not being english my 
first language I do the best I can. I hope to improve soon. 
Regarding our offering, we are providing, and will provide the services 
mentioned. 
We belive that people with LR interests will know of other interested 
people who can benefit of our services.
As I had previously said, we are just beginig to familiarize with the 
internet and its influence. Any wrong-doing of our part should not be 
considered as intentional but just as lack of knowledge on that respect. 
We sicerelly apologize for any inconvenince.
We have no idea what the term "Spam" means. Any information would be 
appreciated.
Yours Truly,

Jhonathan More

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>I don't know whether I'm more impressed with your quaint offer or your 
>spelling, but I think you'd be better served trying to sell to people 
who 
>DON'T already have Series Land Rovers, Mr. Spam.
>Bill Adams
>3D Artist/Animator
>'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
>'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
>"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
>Message-ID: <bulk.17252.19980413125310@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
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>"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
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'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
>DON'T already have Series Land Rovers, Mr. Spam.

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Services Offer (LR-Searchers)

Bill writes,
 
 I don't know whether I'm more impressed with your quaint offer or your 
 spelling, but I think you'd be better served trying to sell to people who 
 DON'T already have Series Land Rovers, Mr. Spam.
 
 Bill Adams

    While I agree that the chap could spend a little time with a 
spell-checker, I think I must respectfully disagree with him on the
spam aspect. We have long tolerated "for sale" type posts from induhviduals
and also LIMITED for sale post stuff from commercial outfits. Mike Smith
at ECR readily springs to mind. He only occasionally posts with stuff
for sale, usually it's just nice free mechanical advice from someone
who usually knows what he's talking about. While this latest post for
"LR locating service" sounds a bit dubious (1980 trucks?), as long as
the guy doesn't abuse us with two or three of these posts a week, let 
it go. We've seen these type of outfits come and go, most don't last
very long. If they are legit, word gets around, if they aren't legit,
same thing, word gets around, even more quickly than the legit companies.
    This list is a great place to post stuff for sale though, lot's of
folks out there don't own a LR, but are lurking/looking for one.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or.
Now 3 101FC's-"Ridiculous" a direct quote from my wife. 

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:43:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Services Offer (LR-Searchers)

I have to agree, that whoever this guy or group is at least deservesa first
chance and if he turns out to be a skunk, the wrath of the list will be
rained down upon him. (which is not a pretty sight!) I for one am looking
for a series truck that I can drive while restoring, but can't afford to
pay 15-20,000 for a series vehicle at this point in time, so any
alternatives are of interest to me.  Not that I am defending him just
saying that everyone deserves at least one chance and in some cases (like
my own ) several chances.  I wouldn't be where I am today if someone hadn't
given me at least 1 chance. Anyway D
                                  O
             WN off of my soap box. Just my $.02 worth.

Cheers,
Christopher Dillard
Databse Administrator         Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:49:45 -0500
Subject: Slow day

<html>This has been a very slow day. I tried to talk to the owner of the SIII
109&quot; I mentioned before, about the any details on the condition of
the car, BUT he happened to be in Miami having a vacation. What a life!
<BR>

<font face="Baskerville Old Face" size=5><b>LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ<br>
</font></b><font face="Book Antiqua, Bookman" size=3>Departamento Legal -
JCCCSA<br>
</font><font face="Bell MT">lgutierr@jccr.co.cr<br>
lgutierr@hotmail.com<br>
</font></html>

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 16:53:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

Yesterday, or thereabouts, TeA wrote:

Since I'm handy in the kitchen, I use a freezer and an oven.

Hey, isn't there a rule against advertising on this list???

rd/nige

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: Slow day (second try!)

<html><div>This has been a very slow day.</div>
I tried to talk to the owner of the SIII 109&quot; no-runner I mentioned
before, about any details on the condition of the car, BUT he happened to
be in Miami having a vacation. What a life! 
<BR>

<font face="Baskerville Old Face" size=5><b>LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ<br>
</font></b><font face="Book Antiqua, Bookman" size=3>Departamento Legal -
JCCCSA<br>
</font><font face="Bell MT">lgutierr@jccr.co.cr<br>
lgutierr@hotmail.com<br>
</font></html>

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:05:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning Blow out!

>Hi Mike,
> Well if you have any one piece doors in your would you please let Kevin
>know what you what for them.  I have a special project which could use a
>pair.  I can rebuild them I think.

Sorry, have only seen two sets of one piece doors in my life. We have a
complete SII with them I'd sell, but they are kind of rusty.

Are you taking about Canadian spec. SII one piece doors, or Defender style?
Thanks for the email.
>Thanks,
>Rob
>know what you what for them.  I have a special project which could use a
>pair.  I can rebuild them I think.

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:14:08 -0400
Subject: OOPS!

Oops,
Sorry about that, that was supposed to go to Rob, not the list.
My apologies.

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:09:10 +0930
Subject: Cooma is now over, so lets all go to BLINMAN

Well, Cooma is now just a memory, and looking at some of the photos, it was
a great event with an incredible number of Land Rovers present.
I'm sure we will follow everyones stories for some time to come.
BUT ENOUGH OF THE PAST!
The next major event is the 1998 Blinman Land Rover Jamboree in South
Australia in May
Need more info?
E Mail either myself or Chris and Tiff Downing at cdowning@ozemail.com.au
See you there
Alan
Logue & Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale
South Australia
Ph +61-8-83228965
Fax +61-8-83875535

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:46:55 -0400
Subject: Alumaloy

Lucas Cascardo <cascardo@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I was flipping through the channels yesterday when I came across a paid
>advertisement for a product called Alumaloy. 

Same stuff as Lumiweld.  It was actually "invented" by NASA seeking to
"weld" dissimilar metals together.  Works pretty well on all non-ferrous
metals.  It melts at 732 F but hardens to Rockwell c55-60, making it damn
hard to file or machine.  Go figure.  Nifty stuff, tho'..I've been able to
'weld' up .50 cal. holes in beer cans.  Surfaces need to be cleaned with a
non-ferrous wire brush.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:44:52 +0200
Subject: Re: the real thing....

camilo osejo wrote:
Can anybody tell me the truth?...
I have a doubt, what is and what is used for, that big hole that all the
series have on the rear bumper??

This hole is a hangover from the early petrol driven military land
rovers, (the 82" model I believe) which included a floor mounted rear
smoke cannon for camouflage purposes. The smoke cannon could be operated
by the radio operator, who sat in the back, through a small trapdoor
which was located in the floor of the tub. This trapdoor is still to be
found on the 109, but the rear fitted fuel tank prevents installation of
the smoke cannon. With the introduction of the diesel 2,25 liter engine,
the smoke cannon was deemed unnecessary, and production ceased.

This bumperorifice has been utilised for many paramilitary attatchments,
including gadgets to spray sharp objects or oil over the road, to deter
chasing vehicles. Unfortunatly this was part of the success of the 1963
Great Train Robbery, when a SII was used to get away from chasing police
cars. These attatchments have also ceased to be produced.

Among the most interesting customised applications which avid rover
users have added through the years are rear-pointing television cameras
to obviate the need for rear door windowe wipers. Sony made a series of
units which fitted this hole like a glove (or a finger?)

There are many urban legends about the feasibility of driving
farmimplements with a PTO through this hole, but I have yet to see a
working implement which proves this point.

A suitable use for this hole, when the vehicler is used as a get away
vehicle for weddings, is a 6 mm steel wire, 25 metres in length,
attatched at one end to the rear transmission axle, through a pully
under the tub, through the hole, and the other end attatched to a
suitable lamppost, telephone box, petrol pump, or other object, the
moving of which causes noise, embarrasement and a degree of damage.

Many LR ownesr in Denmark use this hole to install their trailer socket,
so that the water which collects inside will short-circuit the
indicators on your horesbox at an inappropriate time.

My daughter uses it as a footstep to get into the back door.

Adrian Redmond

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From: "C R. Wolfe" <cwolfe@d.umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:47:12 -0500
Subject: Rebuilt frame for sale.

1966 IIA SW rolling frame with Title.  Frame completely rebuilt with new
metal at professional shop that has done over 100 rover frame
reconstructions (PA).  Extension plate on front for winch.  Brand new
leaf springs, bushing, shock absorbers.  Axle housing sandblasted,
repainted and rebuilt.  Differentials cleaned. SPH rebuilt with new
swivel balls and leather gaiters. Good 16 inch wheels.  4 brand new
Goodyear Lt235/85R 16 All terain tires.  This is an excellent start for
a frame over.  3000.00

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From: Solihull <Solihull@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:47:39 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

TeriAnn sez;
I set the stub axle on a surface with the axle pointing straight up. 
Using a hot pad, I quickly drop the race down the stub axle.  It slides 
right into place if you do it fast enough.  I don't know why men always 
feel they need to bang on things ;^)  A little knowledge of physics can 
go a long way.

That's the way I install 'em, too. Except I don't need to put the stub axle in
the freezer. Room temp seems to work fine, and that's six fewer bolts to undo.
I learned this technique building VW engines. That's the best way to install
the crank timing gear on a freshly rebearinged crankshaft.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: PScales <pscales@blvl.igs.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:15:46
Subject: Re: Rebuilt frame for sale.

At 04:47 PM 4/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>1966 IIA SW rolling frame with Title.  ...This is an excellent start for
>a frame over.  3000.00

>.
Where is this frame?  Which country?
>.
Peter

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:22:35 -0700
Subject: Bush Rangies

Ok. What's this all about??!! I have to admit to being intrigued! 'Fess 
up Mike. Check out for more info--

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/BushRangie.html

--Jason

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:37:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Adjustable spanner

William L. Leacock wrote:
> John, might I refer you to Land Rover part number 2707 " Adjustable Spanner"
> in the ser1, 2 and 3 parts lists, there is a picture in the ser 3 list.
>  I must also confess to being an engineer from North of Watford !!!

North of Watford, well that explains every thing!!!!!!!   :-)

John and Muddy

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:25:29
Subject: Hubs

>Bearings are designed to be oil lubricated.  No way to keep grease around
>the bearing so doubt that it would work for the long term without
>constantly repacking.  Thats the beauty of the oil lube in that they don't
>need to packed.  Of course the seals keeping the oil in can be another
>problem.

I have to disagree, I have been greasing my hubs front and rear for over 20
years. So, far I have never had a failure on a bearing, I go for high temp.
cv joint grease now, in the past I used regular ole' BEARING grease.

As for the distance piece, (yes, Teriann) I use a piece of heavy duty PVC
thick wall pipe nad a hammer. I will try the kitchen method next time.

Jim Wolf

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:58:46 -0400
Subject: Hubs

Whether you put   grease into your wheel hub or not, it will still end up
oil lubricated. Oil passes from the rear differential unto the rear hubs and
from the swivel housings into the front bearings.
 I should alter that, if the oil stays in the swivel housing long enough
some will transfer to the wheel bearings, the rest to ground !!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: hstin@cts.com (The Brothers Stinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scotty's 

Hello all,
        Still looking into transmission options -rebuild vs purchase of a
rebuilt unit.  I'd appreciate hearing of any experiences with Scotty's in
Concord California.  Respond to me directly if you would - I've noticed in
the past queries such as this result in heated debates.  I caution asking at
all but I've got a transmission in my Series III, now just over 4000 miles
from a rebuild, slowly digesting its innards.

                                                        Henry Stinson
                                                         hstin@cts.com
                                                        '73 88 SWB

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:09:14 -0400
Subject: welding

> In a proper weld the joint is stronger than the base metal. You will
seldom if ever see a good weld break.
 hardly the place to get into a discussion on metallurgy, but as a rule of
thumb welds are consdered to be 30% weaker than the parent material, the
weaker area is generally the region between the weld and the base metal, an
area called the heat affected zone. ( we make  about 600 miles of aluminum
weld a day in my place of employment ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:07:05 -0600
Subject: Chrome Swivels

Wes Harris has had his Swivels rechromed.  I don't know how well it works
but he has the best looking balls in Pittsburgh.  (yes pun intended).

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:29:04 -0400
Subject: Headlight dip switch

I am rebuilding a ser 2 88. The floor mounted dip switch has rotted away
with the floor, is there a US headlight dip switch avaialble that will
easily fasten to the steering column ?
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:36:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Hubs

Bill Leacock wrote:

Whether you put   grease into your wheel hub or not, it will still end up
oil lubricated. Oil passes from the rear differential unto the rear hubs 
and
from the swivel housings into the front bearings.
 I should alter that, if the oil stays in the swivel housing long enough
some will transfer to the wheel bearings, the rest to ground !!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.

 Your oil shouldn't pass from the diff to the wheel bearings if the axle 
case seal is in shape. If it allowed it to do so, it would eevntually 
drain the diff of it's oil, and also build up pressure to a degree, 
probably forcing it out the swivel ball seal and the hub seal onto your 
brakes.

Rgds,  
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 19:25:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Hubs

;>Whether you put   grease into your wheel hub or not, it will still end 
up
;>oil lubricated. Oil passes from the rear differential unto the rear 
hubs and
;>from the swivel housings into the front bearings.
<SNIP>
;>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
;> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

There is an oil seal that sits just inside the end of the axle housing 
where the swivel ball bolts to the axle housing.  It's puropse in life is 
to keep the axle housing oil inside the axle housing and not wondering 
out to your front wheel bearings.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 19:25:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

;>Yesterday, or thereabouts, TeA wrote:
;>
;>Since I'm handy in the kitchen, I use a freezer and an oven.
;>
;>Hey, isn't there a rule against advertising on this list???
;>
;>rd/nige

Gee Russell gime a little break here OK???

I'm recently laid of from my 8 year job at Apple computer and am 
currently unemployed.  Whats wrong with a little advertising from the 
needy????

Did I say I'm willing to relocate?

8^)   8^)    8^)   8^)

         | TeriAnn Wakeman
         | twakeman@cruzers.com
         | http:www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
         |
         | "The Green Rover"
         | 1960 109 two door
         | Expidition equipped
         |
         | _______     ____
      .==|"======="==='    `=============.
     /   |	                               \
     | ._|_______________________________. |
     |/  |    	___________________	    .. \|
    ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|,       
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    |   /   |                      |   /   |
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    |_______|                    	 |_______|
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     |_\_/_|	                       |_\_/_|

  [Key -Dormobile top, military bummperettes,
   rear whip antenna, vertical rear mounted 
   hiLift jack, tail gate, side hinged lift gate]

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 19:26:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Scotty's 

;>Hello all,
;>        Still looking into transmission options -rebuild vs purchase of 
a
;>rebuilt unit.  I'd appreciate hearing of any experiences with Scotty's 
in
;>Concord California.

Scotty is an old friend of mine.  He generally does excellent work.  back 
in the sixties and seventies he ran a British car repair shop that was a 
Land Rover authorized warrenty repair shop.  I have seen the 
authorization papers.

I personally believe him to be very good at rebuilding and setting up 
transmissions and diffs.

However, he is now in his seventies and doesn't do the volume of work he 
once did.  I would not send him anything you would want done quickly.  
However, he IS my first choice if I want it done right.

You didn't say where you were located.  A transmiission is a big thing to 
be sending UPS.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:05:59 -0600
Subject: Re: the real thing....

Camilo,

The use for the rear PTO portal was for just that...It is a PTO outlet. One
could run a live axled trailer, a winch, a wood spliter/chipper, or even a
trench digger. These wholes are tokens of the true design and intention of
Land Rovers...They are Farm Vehicles...

John

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:19:26 -0600
Subject: LAnd Rover Club Meeting--Adendum!
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The meeting for April 14th in Denver IS at Zangs'...But off I-25...Not =
I-70...See you there!

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:23:28 -0600
Subject: Re: Alumaloy

Sandy!

I saw that too...That stuff looks awsome!

I can just see it becoming one of those must have's on an expedition in
LR's...
I've tried order the stuff but the phone number they gave just rings and
rings with no answer..Do you have any ide what state the company is located
in?

John

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:36:39 -0600
Subject: An Idiot in Colorado!!!
	charset="iso-8859-1"

Late breaking NEWS...

It appears that the local dealerships have been overselling the speed =
nad adgility of the Defender 90....
In NEWS tonight they are reporting that a male aged late twenties led =
police on a high speed chase that caused injury to several people...The =
IDIOT was driving a newly registered Black Defender 90!!!

The plate said it was sold out of the Solo- Springs dealership!!! =
Someone down there has forgoten to tell the customer that it is A) not =
very arrow dinamic...and B) that it sure as hell won't out run a POLICE =
CAR!!!!

Cheers

John

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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:39:36 +0100
Subject: Strange Noise

I am hearing a strange noise and vibration coming from the front axle.

What are likely the cause??

These are the things that have come in mind:
Brakes
UV joints
Diff.

Any suggestions or tips on how to  diagnose the problem??

Geoffrey 
Malta

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:55:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Strange Noise

I've had strange noises from loose U-bolts and loose hub bolts.  They both
manifested as a clunky noise when braking.

C

Said Geoffrey at MITTS wrote:
> I am hearing a strange noise and vibration coming from the front axle.
> What are likely the cause??
> These are the things that have come in mind:
> Brakes
> UV joints
> Diff.

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> Geoffrey
> Malta

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From: Jacobs Johan <XY14449@exchange.oldmutual.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:09:46 +0200
Subject: Fold Down windows and other Modifications

There has been such an overwhelming requests for the pictures of the
fold down window modifications and the door vents, that I decided to
publish the pictures in the photo album on our Cape Land Rover Club
Website.

The Cape Land Rover Club website is at
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/speedway/5382. Navigate to the photo
album and at the bottom of the photo album you will find the link to the
"Modifications Album".

Any further questions about the modifications can be e-mailed to either
of the addresses below.

Johan Jacobs
Cape Land Rover Club
Cape Town
South Africa
johanj@yebo.co.za OR
xy14449@exchange.oldmutual.com

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:13:54 EDT
Subject: Re: SIII Transmission

For what it costs here, I decided to order a rebuilt S-3 trans/transfer case,
from Paddocks, in England. Cost for it, is a whopping $ 550.00-600.00, and
that INCLUDES A TRANSFER CASE!

To make it really worth while, I ordered a few other bulky things. Total with
airfreight to LAX, is $1100.00!

Much cheaper than ordering one here.

Charles

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:40:21 -1000
Subject: Re: Seeking advise on SIII LWB restoration

	Prices you have been quoted for rebuilding seem a bit cheaper than US 
but
not significantly so.  
	Be forwarned that a vehicle that has sat for any significant amount of
time will require a lot of parts be replaced.  If it is as rainy and humid
as I think it is in Costa Rica, there may be a whole lot of pieces that
have gone by the wayside.  Be prepared to take many months and much money
to get the truck back to snuff.  
	I am not impressed with the 109 in comparison to the 88 as far as
driveability.  If you are only going to go straight on the freeway, they
are okay.  In tight surroundings and rough country, the longer wheelbase is
a drag.  I own both and prefer the 88.  Because of the swivel ball design,
there is a limited amount of front wheel rotation.  Maneuverability is just
okay on an 88, on a 109 it requires a lot of backing and filling to
negotiate such mundane things as the local Walmart parking lot.  In really
gnarly offroad work, the longer wheel base makes for frame hang ups.  The
ranchers around here supposedly quit buying 109's because they broke the
frames getting them hung up.  I haven't had that experience but haven't
driven the 109 in any extreme conditions.  
	One of the reasons that I haven't driven the truck much is that it had
only 30,000 miles on it when I bought it.  It seems like everything went to
shit because it sat in a semi desert climate most of its 34 year life.  The
wheel bearings were rusted, all seals leaked requiring brake shoe
replacement as well as all the hydraulics, every oil seal and the
carburetor gaskets.  All the hoses needed replacement, even if they weren't
cracked.  When I bought it, it supposedly had had the engine rebuilt
because it had been run without water.  I couldn't start it because of the
aforementioned carb problems and couldn't have driven it anyway because of
the hydraulic problems.  Compression was okay and its overall condition was
as you would expect from a vehicle that sat in a desert area and was driven
very little, so I bought it.  So what could be wrong with a truck with only
30,000 miles.  A lot!!!!  The rebuilt engine turned out to have come from
another truck that was used to tow a large fishing boat.  The rebuild was
both half assed and well broken in.  The main bearings were ready to depart
and had scored the crank bearing journals.  The rods and pistons had been
pieced together out of several different engines and were mismatched.  The
block was salvagable as was the head, but everything else inside the engine
were throw aways.   New engine time.  The trans, though tight and in good
condition, would not stay in third gear.  I have yet to get into it to find
out what could be the cause of this.  It may just be a circlip or something
more.  If you hold it in third on deceleration, it vibrates badly.  The
front springs were both whacked.  I replaced one to correct a sag and the
other shed a leaf soon thereafter becasue it had broken.  So it now sits in
the garage waiting for me to get it together to put the new engine in and
fix the trans.  Once back on the road, it will be younger than its now
35,000 miles.  If I hadn't done the majority of the work myself, it would
also have cost me a fortune.  As it sits it only cost an arm and a leg.
	Almost forgot the insult to injury part of this romance.  When I pulled
the transmission, the parking brake came out too.  Sometime along the way,
the wheel chocks got removed and one night the truck became an unguided
missile.  Fortunately a tree got between it and my neighbors house.  The
tree came out the worst on the transaction but the rover still needs to
have the tailgate replaced and the rear crossmember outrigger straightened.
Just another expense.
	What this all means is that just because something looks good, it may 
not
be.  Just ask someone with aids.  Don't go into the non running 109 without
a clear realization of the consequences.  One advantage of the non runner
is that you will already be planning on a new engine and could take the
opportunity to put in a 2.5 diesel or some other variety of more powerful
diesel and have a better rover.  Be realistic about the cost and time
involved, however.
Aloha Peter

At 10:02 AM 4/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear list:
>I was going to buy a working 1974 SIII 88" but I found another deal two

days ago.
>I found a FOR SALE sign on a 1972 109 which in general looks OK, some work
to be done on the front end, the frame is OK,  but has been stalled for a
couple years. So the engine (a diesel one) almost certainly will have to be
rebuild (I guess). The problem is that without the engine I have no idea on
how the diferentials, gearbox and transfer box will be. LWBs are not common
here to come by, and the price is around US$1800. (which sounds really
cheap! My mechanic was astonished with that price.)
>I'm concerned about what the price for a mechanical restoration would be.
If I cant find the needed parts here I will have to order them from your
somewhere else (UK?, USA?). Do you pepple know aproximately how much money
would be involved in this task? In your countries of course! (I just want a
ball-park number to make myself an idea.)
>I have no one here to talk about this matter here, except for all you
people, and the preliminary information I have come by is very
dissapointing. I thouth that maybe someone who has undertaken at least part
of this job, somewhere in the world, could give me some advise. 
>I live in Costa Rica, Central America. There are many LR around here, but
it seems to be that parts are not as readily avaiable as I thought. 
>My mechanic told me that I could expect to spend US$2000 only on
rebuilding the engine, US$1000 more on the gear box, US$500 on brakes job
alone, and then begin thinking on finding the two front wings to be
replaced with no idea of their cost. Are this prices similar to the prices
you can find?
>Are diesel LWBs as incredibly slow as people say, or even slower?
>My mechanic has warned me not to do it. But I really liked this car.
>This are a lot of questions, but I'm looking for some friendly advise!!
>LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
>JCCCSA Departamento Legal
>lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
>lgutierr@hotmail.com
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>lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:29:50 -1000
Subject: Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

	I got to thinking about the swivel ball housing and the fact that the
swivel hinge pin (railco bush) or whatever and axle bearings are lubricated
by oil in the swivel hub housing.  If you don't run oil in the swivel
housing which splash lubricates the pivot pins apparently via drive shaft
rotation, the pins should wear out prematurely because of lack of oil.  Do
you actually mean that you are running the housing dry and greasing only
the axle bearings.  Doesn't sound like a smart idea.  If you are greasing
the bearings and still running oil in the housing, the fact that you
greased the bearings is actually overkill.  The Hypoid is taking over for
the grease in short order, anyway.  If it is the latter, the grease is only
a feel good application.  If the former, you are asking for trouble.
	Remember, unlike most american and other axle bearings, the rover 
bearings
are oil lubricated.  Others are desigend to be greased at regular
intervals, have grease seals to keep the grease in, and suffer if not
repacked at proper intervals.  I haven't had a problem with the bearings in
my 100,000 plus mile rover but most of the other types of 4x4 owners have
had to replace their bearing before 100,000 miles.  Don't know if that's
because of the grease type bearings or the lack of proper maintenance.  In
any case, if you are still running oil in the swivel pin housing, grease is
overkill.
	One disadvantage of the oil only lubrication is that the bearings will
rust if the vehicle is left to sit for extended periods of time as the oil
eventually runs off.  Not talking days here but years. This appently
happened on my 109 as the bearings on it were rusted and pitted after only
30,000 miles in 34 years.  Assume it sat for quite extended periods of time
to accumulate such few miles.  Grease probably would have turned to
concrete and flaked off in that time, however. 
	Correct me if I'm wrong.  I have been wrong on occasion but think it was
only in my previous life.
Aoha Peter
	

At 04:53 PM 4/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Yesterday, or thereabouts, TeA wrote:
>Since I'm handy in the kitchen, I use a freezer and an oven.
>Hey, isn't there a rule against advertising on this list???

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>Hey, isn't there a rule against advertising on this list???
>rd/nige

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From: "Tim Lusk" <timl@clear.net.nz>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:02:05 +1100
Subject: Paint colour of wheel rims?

I'm just about to repaint the wheel rims on my series IIa Land Rover 
but am not sure of the exact colour. 

Does anyone know the colour code or name of the cream colour used by 
Land Rover on wheel rims.

Also, Can anyone reccomend a firm in England who could export a 
canvas canopy out to New Zealand for me. I want one as close to 
the original cut and colour (kahki) as possible. 

Thanks

Martin

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From: "Paul (SpikE) Cook" <spike@acay.com.au>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:00:50 +1000
Subject: RE: Gearbox noise

Hi,

I have a series 2a 1968 109 2.25L petrol rover. The problem I have is a
horrible gearbox noise. The noise only happens in first and reverse, all
other gears seem to be ok.The noise is a knocking sound that increases with
engine revs. If the LR is under power the noise is very faint but if I
engine break the sound is VERY loud. Sounds like someone hitting the side of
the gearbox with a hammer.
Has anyone experienced this and what is the remedy ? does 1st and reverse
somehow share some gearbox shaft ?

Thanks
Paul

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:07:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Fold Down windows and other Modifications

Jacobs Johan wrote:
> There has been such an overwhelming requests for the pictures of the
> fold down window modifications and the door vents, that I decided to
> publish the pictures in the photo album on our Cape Land Rover Club
> Website.
> The Cape Land Rover Club website is at
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/speedway/5382. Navigate to the photo
> album and at the bottom of the photo album you will find the link to the
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> johanj@yebo.co.za OR
> xy14449@exchange.oldmutual.com

Strangely, after Johan mentioned this fold down window thingy I spotted
a SIII for sale at Champion 4X4 (on cnr of Rivonia Rd in Sunninghill -
you can see it from the Western Bypass) with the same idea only the door
stops are on the door bottoms, but also using canopy latches to hold the
door top in place inside the vehicle. Damn interesting mod, hmmmn...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:34:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Gearbox noise

Paul (SpikE) Cook wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a series 2a 1968 109 2.25L petrol rover. The problem I have is a
> horrible gearbox noise. The noise only happens in first and reverse, all
> other gears seem to be ok.The noise is a knocking sound that increases with
> engine revs. If the LR is under power the noise is very faint but if I
> engine break the sound is VERY loud. Sounds like someone hitting the side of
> the gearbox with a hammer.
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> Thanks
> Paul

Hi Paul,

Yup, the first speed gear is used for both 1st forward and reverse. It's
the horrible little gear located right at the bottom rear of the box
neccesitating total disassembly :-(
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:32:36 +0100
Subject: Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>         I got to thinking about the swivel ball housing and the fact that the
> swivel hinge pin (railco bush) or whatever and axle bearings are lubricated
> by oil in the swivel hub housing. 

I have heard of some people packing the bearings with grease in an
attempt to stop oil leaks for the MOT.
A motor with oil running over the tyres fails the MOT, and this cure
lasts just long enough to get it passed. Definitely not good practice
but useful if lack of funds/time make it impossible to do a proper job.

Mick Forster

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:41:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Greased vs. oiled hubs

In a message dated 4/14/98 3:55:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ogilvi@hgea.org
writes:

<< I got to thinking about the swivel ball housing and the fact that the
 swivel hinge pin (railco bush) or whatever and axle bearings are lubricated
 by oil in the swivel hub housing.  If you don't run oil in the swivel
 housing which splash lubricates the pivot pins apparently via drive shaft
 rotation, the pins should wear out prematurely because of lack of oil.  >>

Correct.  However, the oil in the swivel housing should not be getting into
the hub bearings.  The hub bearings are greased (unless you have a very early
type hub with the plug for oil filling).  The two compartments are separated
by various seals.

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:41:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Headlight dip switch

The generic NAPA headlight dip switch fits the wiring and, while not as
pretty as the Lucas original, works nicely.

If you want to, mount thatr one up on the dash panel....seen it
done...<grin>

                    Alan

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