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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:47:00 -0400
Subject: Mile Marker and Pumps

Jeff, if you are adding a power steering pump just to operate the winch I
would suggest you install some means of engaging/disengaging the drive to
the pump. An electric clutch ala A/C or a demountable belt. The 2283 really
doesn't have power to spare for driving the pump all the time and whats the
point anyway if you are not using it for power steering.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:55:00 -0400
Subject: Transmission Oils

I've just had a recommendation from an oil expert for Chevron Delo Gear Oil
apparently this is a conventional oil with some special additives that
result in reduced friction, less heat etc. Maybe a good fluid for those
overworked overdives. Anyone out there have experience of this oil.

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:08:50 EDT
Subject: Salisbury prop.

Hi list,
Yup, mea culpa on the tires for sure.  

How much do I need to shorten my propshaft when I switch from Rover diff to
Salisbury?  I've heard both 2 inches and 1 inch.  Should I just compromise and
go w/ 1.5?

Bill Rice

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:44:10 -0400
Subject: Capstan winches

"Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>  wrote:

>Having abandoned hopes of finding a complete capstan winch, I'm now
>considering a MileMarker for FINSUP. 

Don't give up hope so soon.  Robert Davis has several on a container that
is scheduled to dock any day now....

>MM makes two sizes of their two speed winch. A 10,500# model and 9,000#
>version. Cost difference is minimal--less than $100. Not sure what the
>size/weight for each are yet--working on it. All other things being equal,

I believe the 10,500# model is a *two speed* winch, one for spooling in
cable, the other for working.  If you have not fitted an overdrive, there
is an original Rover rear PTO fitting available from Craddock's and other
suppliers.  You sould be able to mate that with any small hydraulic pump
from Northern hydraulics.  The winch will need at least 4 GPM, preferring
6-8 GPM.  The only other consideration is siting/fitting an oil reservoir.  

NH also markets a belt-driven hydraylic pump with an *electric* clutch.  If
you've fitted an OD already and have room in the engine bay for it, this
may be the best of all possible worlds, as you switch on the pump only when
you need it.

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:44:07 -0400
Subject: Pseudo Rovers

Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr> wrote:

>Talking about Santanas, I saw a Series III car the other day, but it had
>some things different from the average SIII. The most noticiable were that
>the rear door was shorter...

>Is this a variant propper of the Santanas, or is it just that I hadn't seen 
>that variant before?

Many years ago, when the Cousteau Society had their headquarters here in
town, they drove these Fiat 4X4's that from the rear were *dead ringers*
for Rovers.  Same roofline, rear quarter lites, etc.  The wheelbase was the
same, only the nose was slightly different....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:44:09 -0400
Subject: Galvanizing

WRT the thread on hot-dipping, it's typically a multi-step process.  At
Virginia Galvanizing (before they got so bloody expensive for small items
like frames - they do interstate bridge parts up to 70' in one dip) they
first dip the part in an alkalai bath to remove grease and other organics.
Then it's an acid bath (the "pickle tank") to remove/convert rust.

To prevent warping and preserve the temps in the zinc bath, they use a
preheat pit using waste heat from the zinc pit to preheat the parts
actually being dipped.  Diesel Bob had his 88 frame and bulkhead done as
one unit, and aside from the door hinge bolts becoming welded in place, it
was an excellent job.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 12:30:17 EST
Subject: An Adam Sandler Passover (LR content)-

to all the other jews on the list!
Hi Quintin! (and Flo)
Sorry I can't make it this year...
this was fwd'ed to me by my brother. its pretty dumb but the last line redeems 
it...I swear it was not modified by me!
later
DaveB

>Subject: An Adam Sandler Passover
>Subject: This goes to the tune of Adam Sandler's "chanuka song"! 
>>> This is a song for all those kids who can't eat 
>>> leavened things during Passover.
>>> Jerry from Seinfeld, Jason Alexander, too 
>>> Celebrate Passover, just like me and you... 

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 63 lines)]
>>> Get in your Land Rover,
>>> and come celebrate Passover.

--UNS_gsauns2_2841308026--

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:40:26 -0600
Subject: FREE SLIDERS FOR SAN DIEGO SEIRES OWNER
	charset="iso-8859-1"

TO ANY sAN dIEGO sERIES 11A/111 owNER,

Ther is a project that Safari Gard and a couple of deperate guys in CO =
need your help with.

If you can get your 88' S11a /111 to Greg at Safari Gard by the end of =
the month for fitting/ measurring of R/D rock sliders you will get a =
free set.

Please contact BOB 303-465-0016
                                or
                        John 303-774-9225

Thanks
John

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: An Adam Sandler Passover (LR content)-

It got nuked, Dave - try again without the arrow thingies.

                    ajr

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From: "Swaner, Shawn" <SSwaner@phx.sunamerica.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:14:57 -0800
Subject: Phoenix LR Mechanics?

Hi folks:

I recently moved to Phoenix AZ, and just prior to moving found out the
horrible truth behind the Beast's (a '62 IIa 88) lack of power.   I had
looked at carb, fuel pump, fuel lines, and valves for the cause of a
lack of power and a top speed of 40mph.   At RN's suggestion, I finally
built up the courage to check the compression and found that the
cylinder #1 barely moved the needle on the compression gauge.   I
squirted about 2-3 ounces of oil into the cylinder and checked again to
see if it was the valves or the piston, and again the guage barely
moved.   

So, I am pretty sure that the rover needs an engine overhaul.   I do not
have the time, workspace or tools to do this myself.   Is there a
mechanic in the Phoenix area that would take a project like this.  In
northern Utah, where I moved from, even the "European Auto Specialists"
wouldn't touch it.

Also, what should I expect to pay for an overhaul, laborwise, as I would
expect to provide parts to the mechanic from BNW or RN?  Should I
consider this overhaul for a rover that has an aging frame, or should I
put it on the market and sell it to someone needing a restoration
project?

The Beast still drives pretty well, I think it has been going since
August on 3 cylinders, but I know it's days are numbered.

Thanks,

Shawn Swaner
'62 IIa 88" SW "The Beast"

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From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:41:43 -0700 
Subject: RE: Phoenix LR Mechanics?

> I squirted about 2-3 ounces of oil into the cylinder and checked again
> to
> see if it was the valves or the piston, and again the guage barely
> moved.   

	What was the compression in the other three cylinders? Almost
zero compression even after adding oil to the cylinder is a good
indication of valve problems. Probably a burned exhaust valve. So you
might not need a complete rebuild after all, just a valve job.

> Also, what should I expect to pay for an overhaul, laborwise, as I
> would
> expect to provide parts to the mechanic from BNW or RN? 
> moved.   
	Obtain the parts yourself from a reputable supplier. ;^)

> Should I consider this overhaul for a rover that has an aging frame,
> or should I
> put it on the market and sell it to someone needing a restoration
> project?

	Forget everything I just said. You should definitely just sell
it to me for $500.

> The Beast still drives pretty well, I think it has been going since
> August on 3 cylinders, but I know it's days are numbered.
> put it on the market and sell it to someone needing a restoration
	Good Luck,

	Tony Treace
	atreace@hasimons.com

	1967 109 SW
	1951 80 HT

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 08:18:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Salisbury prop.

;>How much do I need to shorten my propshaft when I switch from Rover 
diff to
;>Salisbury?  I've heard both 2 inches and 1 inch.  Should I just 
compromise 
;>and go w/ 1.5?

Hi Bill
The Salisbury rear axle came stock on a series III 109.  When I made my 
conversion I opted for a new series III 109 rear prop shaft.

My rear drive shaft measures 31-1/2 inches from the center of the rear 
'U' joint hole to the shoulder where it narrows down.  Hope this helps

Take care,

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:24:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Phoenix LR Mechanics?

More to the point, do the check with all 4 plugs out - sounds like you
might just have a buggered head gasket.

The other thing to do is bring #1 to near-TDC and shine a light into the
sparkplug hole. If you still have a piston crown, then it might just be the
gasket indeed.

Been there, seen this - turned out to be blown at the back between 3 and 4.

                    ajr

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From: JB Kropp <JB@flycast.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:40:13 -0700 
Subject: grinding gears

Ok all, here's one for you:  I have a '71 IIA and my 1st and reverse gear
grind pretty loud.  I know it is normal to howl a bit but this is loud.
Anyway, I had the idea to take off the main gear box cover and try to see if
there are any broken or badly scored teeth on first gear.  So, last night I
took the cover off and tried to get a glimpse of the gears.  1st gear looked
great but one of the reverse gears looked as if someone took a file to it;
the top of the teeth were scored.  I think one of the reverse gears shares
one of 1st gears on the layshaff making them both very loud, make sense?
Now, I need to figure out if it is worth all the time, energy and money to
take out the entire gear box and rebuild it now that it is this far along.
Mind you, I was able to get the cover off without taking out the seat box.
Also, do you think I need to worry about the loud noise now that we know 1st
is completely intact? 
Thx,
JB

 

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:39:59 -0700
Subject: Re: sealing up oil leaks

From: Peter Thoren <peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:09:21 +0000
Subject: sealing up oil leaks

Dear List,

> Now I need to know something completely different. I have
some oil leaks , not severe but it disturbes me to see the small tracks
always left behind when parking. I have located the leaks to the
bottomplate under the transferbox and to the engine oil tray. I have
desided to take these ones off and replace the old washer with Hermatite
washer in a tube (sorry, dont know would this would be in english...
hope
you know what I mean). Since this must be a very common problem for LR
owners I am sure this has been asked on the list many times before.
Could
someone please give me a resume on sealing old Land Rovers up? Is it
really
possible? and if so what is the best proven technique to do so?

My Land Rover was totally leak-free for the first five years after I
bought it new in 1973.  After that, it started leaking a fair amount.
One source of oil leaks is the front crank oil seal in the timing gear
cover.  Oil that comes out of here blows back under the vehicle and
collects on the crossmember under the transmission, making it appear the
leak is coming from there.  Other leak points are the oil pan and,
eventually, the joint seams in the transmission and transfer case.

You can chase these leaks forever and you may even have a degree of
success.  Although I intend (some year) to replace the front oil seal
and pulley, which has a groove worn in it after 25 years so a new oil
seal alone  won't fix the leak, and I had the transmission overhauled
some years ago when all the joint seals turned to dust and seeped oil
almost as fast as I put it in, I don't worry much about the leaks.  I
figure if the frame and other components have oil on them they won't
rust or squeak.  As far as my engine oil leak up front, the faster it
leaks out the faster I have to add new oil which means the cleaner my
engine oil is all the time.  After 25 years of Land Rover ownership I
have adopted the policy of ignoring oil leaks unless or until it becomes
a hassle to replenish the oil.  This applies to engine and
transmission/transfer case leaks.  Wheel hub leaks I repair right away
as they can affect the brakes.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:52:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Tires for Series LR

From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:17:34 -0500
Subject: Tires for Series LR

> As I have mentioned before, I'm just begining to learn about LRs.
I was concerned about the tire size to use, since the ones that are
usually fit 
here in LRs practically dont deserve to be called tires! (too skinny and
short) They look 
awfull.

While skinny tires may not look cool on a Land Rover (or any other 4x4),
they are in reality much better for off-road use than fat tires except
in cases where you need the floatation of fat tires: on sand, or on
boggy ground.  Narrow tires do a far better job on loose surfaces like
gravel, dirt, or loose rock than fat tires.  I ran fatter than stock
tires on my Series III for a few years and then went back to a
relatively narrow tire designed for agricultural use.  They're very
aggressive and noisy on pavement, but they outperform the fatter tires I
used to run in virtually every off-road situation I've been in, which
has NOT included soft sand or boggy ground.  For the kind of off-road
conditions I encounter in the Cascade Mountains of Washington State and
on the logging and mining roads of British Columbia, I've found a
narrow, aggressive tire to be superior to anything else.  I also run
inner tubes in my tires even though they don't need them.  I've had a
tubeless tire loose it's seal on the rim and go flat on a rough logging
road; the tube keeps that from happening.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:07:28 +0100
Subject: New pics

Hi all,
I've put some new Landy pics about restoring my LWB Safari on:

http://stox49.soc.staffs.ac.uk/www49/

The text will follow later and hopefully more pictures.

Mick Forster

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:09:16 EDT
Subject: What's in an original LR tool kit?

Hi all,

I was cleaning up some of the bits around the Roverhood and found tucked into
a rotting seatbox tool/battery box a set of rusty tools in a heavy canvas like
pouch.

I am curious if this is an original tool kit.  It contains pliers, an odd
looking adjustable wrench like tool  (almost like calipers) and an assortment
of open box wrenches which are rather rusty but do say "Made in England" on
the handle.

Anyone know  about this type of tool kit?

Nate

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From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:21:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: What's in an original LR tool kit?

that sounds like the original kit that came with my rovers, an assortment
of english open ended wrenches, and adjustable wrench(small 9" long
monkey wrench marked"utica" probably not original!), maybe a spark plug
thingy and a cloth tool roll to put it in, oh there was also some odd
little greas gun thing the size and shape of a butane torch...
and maybe something else too I can't remember but it seems that there was
one more thing.
matt

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:13:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Roll up windows,"hurricane blast"

From: Sski3 <Sski3@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:13:26 EDT
Subject: Roll up windows,"hurricane blast"

>Last year I got tired of all the heat in the LR,so I picked up a 12V
fan from
a bus in a junk yard,wired it in and to a switch and bingo! Now I can
move the
heat out or set the direction of the fan on my feet where the heat is.
Maybe
this will help.

One of the first "modifications" I made to my new Series III after
taking delivery in 1973 was to mount a 12-volt fan in the upper right
corner of the cab.  The fan came with a bracket that I attached to the
trim strip that covers the joint between the windshield top and the
roof.  I aimed it acorss to the driver's position and wired it to a
switch on the panel.  I ordered a tropical roof on my Land Rover, so it
never really got hot inside (this was in Hawaii), but it did get a bit
stuffy, and I like having a breeze on my when I'm driving.  The fan fit
the bill perfectly.  You can see the same idea in the cabs of many
semi-tractors.  Now that I live in Seattle, I don't need the fan so I
took it out but I left the bracket in place just in case.  I also
lengthened the vent hole in the decorative interior panel for the right
bulkhead vent soon after taking delivery of the Series III.  For
whatever reason, Land Rover made the hole relatively small; with careful
cutting it can be made almost twice as long which admits a lot more air
to the right side of the cab.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:26:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Fluids Weight Choices

From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:56:14 +0200
Subject: Re: Fluids Weight Choices

>I dont know about your Power Punch but I have just purchased a tube of
STP
Gearbox Oil additive. It is Zinkdialcylditiophosphate 1-5% in Mineral
oil.
I am going to use it to reduce whining in my transferbox. I havn¥t
tested
it yet so I cant tell if it works. Does the list have experiance of this

I use Power Punch, a transmission oil additive designed for
semi-tractors, in the transfer case of my Series III.  It's not a good
idea to use slippery additives in the transmission as I've been told it
can affect the operation of the syncro rings.  But while the additives
probably reduce friction in the transfer case, I have never noticed any
decrease of gear noise.  Others may have had a different experience.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:33 EDT
Subject: Parts Car

On Tue, 07 Apr 1998, Peter Ogilvie wrote:
"The rear tub is still a monument in my back yard."

Has it been stood on end to house statues of the Wilkes brothers?

This is the usual fate of old bathtubs in the more religious neighborhoods
around here where they become a shrine to Our Lady of the Bath.

I once bought a parts car for $200, a RHD 109 regular with no top and a dead
transmission.  Kept it for a couple of years and sold it for three reasons:

1.  The things that broke on my 109 were also broken on the parts car.
2.  Things needing frequent replacement can usually be found as new spares.
3.  I had no place to store it.

Today, I am sorry I let it go, all it needed was a top, transmission rebuild
and a bit of shipfitting and I would have slow safe car for one of the kids.

Bienvenidos a Luis.

Recuerdos,

Paul Donohue
1965 RHD Dormobile
Denver

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:57:56 EDT
Subject: Land Rovers as Fashionable

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 Luis Manuel Gutierrez questioned the value of the LR as
"Fashionable"

For many years, US Embassies drove the Checker Marathon intending them to be
an automotive fashion non-statement.  It was a statement nonetheless.

Driving a Land Rover makes a very strong statement.  It says you are unique,
independent minded, ready for anything and definitely not one of the herd.

You are what you drive.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:07:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rovers as Fashionable

DONOHUE PE wrote:
> Driving a Land Rover makes a very strong statement.  It says you are unique,
> independent minded, ready for anything and definitely not one of the herd.
> Unless you are in South Hampton Long Island then it is a must have 'cause 
there it IS a fashion statement.

Rgds
Steve

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:12:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: wiring a delco alternator

I am in the process of building a harness for my new Delco alternator, but
I have two posts one of which is remote sense, and the charge warning
light.  They are helpfully labled 1 and 2.  Which is which?

thanks

David

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:34:54 -0400
Subject: Re: wiring a delco alternator

If you bought the plug to go with it, then the lightbulb is the smaller
white wire and the sense is the larger red one.

If you didn't get back to me and I'll have a look at mine.

                    ajr

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:47:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: wiring a delco alternator

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> If you bought the plug to go with it, then the lightbulb is the smaller
> white wire and the sense is the larger red one.

The plug I bought has a smaller black and a larger red wire.It makes sense
for sense to be somewhat heavier gauge than IND.  

Thanks,

David

> If you didn't get back to me and I'll have a look at mine.
>                     ajr

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:03:09 EDT
Subject: Translations

on Wed, 08 Apr 1998 Adrian Redmond wrote: "I just tried to tranmslate Pauls
letter - to german to english to french to english to german and back to
english - and it ended up like this: If you like to have really something
recreation, translate one stereotypes well-known far party (a song functions
well), of English (or no matter what) with another language, and then with
this output, you again translate them with English.  Some the outputs of
locking can be hilarious."

Sounds like the literature from some Japanese eletronics maker, or
instructions for German cars back in the early sixties.

Tak

Paul
1965 LR 109

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:11:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Tires for Series LR

In a message dated 4/9/98 12:10:14 PM, you wrote:

>I also run
>inner tubes in my tires even though they don't need them.  I've had a
>tubeless tire loose it's seal on the rim and go flat on a rough logging
>road; the tube keeps that from happening.

I've got to agree with that. I had tubes in the OEM Michelin X-4x4 tires that
came with the truck. I put on 4 BFG Trac Edges (supposedly tubeless) and
regret not putting tubes in them. 

I just stopped by a Michelin dealer to order some Michelin inner tubes. ;-)
They go in ASAP.

-pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:17:50 EDT
Subject: Re: What's in an original LR tool kit?

In a message dated 4/9/98 12:26:10 PM, you wrote:

>oh there was also some odd
>little greas gun thing the size and shape of a butane torch...
>and maybe something else too I can't remember but it seems that there was
>one more thing.
>matt

An AA (or AAA) road service membership card perhaps?

;-)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:22:50 EDT
Subject: Re:  Land Rovers as Fashionable Embassy Cars

In a message dated 4/9/98 1:04:25 PM, you wrote:

>For many years, US Embassies drove the Checker Marathon intending them to be
>an automotive fashion non-statement.  It was a statement nonetheless.

The British Embassy in Cairo has (maybe had by now) some sharp looking 110s.
They were blue with tan roofs. Saw a pair by the pyramids. 

pat
93 "not-so-sharp" 110

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:36:51 EDT
Subject: Re:  Land Rovers as Fashionable/satirical

In a message dated 4/9/98 1:04:25 PM, you wrote:

>Driving a Land Rover makes a very strong statement.  It says you are unique,
>independent minded, ready for anything and definitely not one of the herd.
And have resources to apply to upkeep, and usually a second vehicle, if not a
primary vehicle.

>You are what you drive.
Or push.  

Driving a Yugo makes a very strong statement...
Driving a diesel makes a very black cloud... and a long trip...
Driving a (Beluga) Black anything with Hellas all over makes one hell of a
statement...
Driving a New Beetle says you rushed out to get one...
Driving a Ford... makes a strong statement about your need for quality, or
lack thereof...

pat
93  110

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From: Solihull <Solihull@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:19:23 EDT
Subject:  You are what you drive, was LRs as Fashionable/satirical

>From the LRO list, 10-22-96:
================================

---- You Are What You Drive (unabridged version) ----
Acura Integra           - I have always wanted to own the Buick of sports

                             cars
 Acura Legend            - I'm too bland for German cars 
Acura NSX               - I am impotent
Chevrolet Camaro        - I enjoy beating the hell out of people
Chevrolet Chevette      - I like seeing people's reactions when I tell them I
have a 'Vette
 Chevrolet Corvette      - I'm in a mid-life crisis
 Chevrolet El Camino     - I am leading a militia to overthrow the government
 Chrysler Cordoba        - I dig the rich Corinthian leather
 Datsun 280Z             - I have a kilo of cocaine in my wheel well 
 Dodge Dart              - I teach third grade special education and I voted
for Eisenhower
 Dodge Daytona           - I delivered pizza for four years to get this car 
 Ferrari Testarossa      - I am known to prematurely ejaculate
 Ford Fairmont           - (See Dodge Dart)
 Ford Mustang            - I slow down to 85 in school zone 
 Ford Crown Victoria     - I enjoy having people slow to 55mph and change
lanes when I pull up behind them
 Geo Storm               - I will start the 11th grade in the fall. 
 Geo Tracker             - I will start the 12th grade in the fall. 
 Honda del Sol           - I have always said, half a convertible is better
than no convertible at all
 Honda Civic             - I have just graduated and have no credit 
 Honda Accord            - I lack any originality and am basically a lemming.
 Infiniti Q45            - I am a physician with 17 malpractice suits pending.
 Isuzu Impulse           - I do not give a damn about J.D. Power or his
reports.
 Jaguar XJ6              - I am so rich I will pay 60K for a car that is in
the shop 280 days per year.
 Kia Sephia              - I learned nothing from the failure of Daihatsu
Corp.
 Lamborghini Countach    - I only have one testicle
 Lincoln Town Car        - I live for bingo and covered dish suppers 
 Mercury Grand Marquis   - (See above)
 Mercedes 500SL          - I will beat you up if you ask me for an autograph
 Mercedes 560SEL         - I have a daughter named Bitsy and a son named Cole
 Mazda Miata             - I do not fear being decapitated by an eighteen-
wheeler
 MGB                     - I am dating a mechanic
 Mitsubishi Diamante     - I don't know what it means either
 Nissan 300ZX            - I have yet to complete my divorce proceedings. 
 Oldsmobile Cutlass      - I just stole this car and I'm going to make a
fortune off the parts
 Peugeot 505 Diesel      - I am on the EPA's Ten Most Wanted List 
 Plymouth Neon           - I sincerely enjoy doing the Macarena 
 Pontiac Trans AM        - I have a switchblade in my sock
 Porsche 911 Turbo       - I have a three inch thingie
 Porsche 944             - I am dating big haired women that otherwise would
be inaccessible to me
 Saturn SC2              - (See Honda Civic)
 Subaru Legacy           - I have always wanted a Japanese car even more
inferior than Isuzu
 Toyota Camry            - I am still in the closet
 Volkswagon Beetle       - I still watch Partridge Family reruns 
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)]
Ford Aspire             - I aspire to one day have a real car
Volvo 850 Sedan         - I want safety with that element of risk to other
drivers
Volkswagon Jetta        - I am a health fanatic
The Delorean            - I love Hollywood and cocaine
Any Minivan             - I don't pay attention to where I drive
Any Full-size van       - I am Mormon and my 12 children are God's gift to
this heathen world
Volkswagon Ghia         - I am poor, but I have class
BMW 318i                - I want to be cool, but can't afford it 
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
BMW 740                 - I have too much money, look at me
BMW 850                 - I am 45, divorced, and looking for an 18 year old
nymphomaniac
Pontiac Bonaventure     - I am a die-hard trekkie and bought the car because
Patrick Stewart does the ad
Ford Pinto              - I bought the car for $100 and have a $1M life policy
Infiniti J30            - I am label conscious and am willing to pay $8000
more for a Maxima with an Infiniti label
Cadillac Seville        - I bought this car with 300 hp to block (w/Northstar
Engine)      traffic during rush hour
Any Saturn              - I hate haggling and am willing to overpay 14% 
Peugeot                 - I am weird
Renault                 - I am weird and poor
Citreon                 - I am weird, poor, and French

Cheers!!
John (saves everything) Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 17:22:45 EDT
Subject: Re: What's in an original LR tool kit?

Nate asks:

***
Hi all,

I was cleaning up some of the bits around the Roverhood and found tucked into
a rotting seatbox tool/battery box a set of rusty tools in a heavy canvas like
pouch.

I am curious if this is an original tool kit.  It contains pliers, an odd
looking adjustable wrench like tool  (almost like calipers) and an assortment
of open box wrenches which are rather rusty but do say "Made in England" on
the handle.

Anyone know  about this type of tool kit?
***

Most of the original kits I've seen were heavy burlap, not canvas, but
these would all be SIIa and before so it could well have changed.  The
odd looking adjustable wrench like tool that looks like calipers is
DEFINATELY part of your original kit (ferget the name of it, though)
and I'd suspect anything with "Made in England" on it was, too.

keep it,
rd/nige

ps last rover I bought had a lucas light discussed recently here, too,
neatly tucked into the tool kit-bonus!  Look around behind yer seats
and you may find all sorts of neat stuff...

pps we really ought to try to assemble a complete list of original
LR tools for the FAQ, eh?  Maybe some pics, too.

ppss you folks know how much people pay for original Jag tool kits??
     just take a guess...

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:24:51 EDT
Subject: Re: What's in an original LR tool kit?

FWIW, There was a small roll of *electrical tape* (maybe lucas stipulated it
should be there)and a spark plug gapper/feeler guage in the toolkit that came
with my LR. Other Items: Sockets and a bar to turn them with, pliers,
screwdriver handle w/inserts, *white gloves* , 4 open end metric wrenches,
channel-lock pliers and a spark plug tool. 

The whole lot came in a plastic case that is strapped to a channel on the rear
door. I think some RRs come with this kit. (Maybe Disco's too) It looks better
than it is worth, actually. One of these days, I'm going to replace the tools
in it with Sears stuff. Anyone know what came with the NAS D90s? How about NAS
D90SWs?

Some stuff is useful, the rest, useless.

pat
93  110

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:38:20 -0500
Subject: Tool Kit

The Series tool kit included... (this may have been covered, I wasn't
paying attention, sorry)

Tool roll
pliers (they call them combustion pliers)
screwdriver (one of those reversible units)
distributor screwdriver (feelergauge with a tip)
Box spanner
sparking plug spanner (with extension bar they call tommy bar)
extension for plug spanner
adjustable spanner (really funky shaped one too!)
single end spanner 3/8 whit.
and 5 double end spanners in various sizes (6 if you had a diesel)

all rolled up in that neat little roll, cool!
See ya!

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:54:46 -0400
Subject: Transfer Box oil leaks

Peter Thoren asks for advice re transfer box oil leaks.
 
peter the use of a silicon gasket sealnt only on the transfer box bottom
plate is unlikely to be very succesful.
 A major problem with the plate is that it is unlikely to be flat. When the
plate develops a leak the first instinct is to tighten the fixing screws. It
is easy to distort the plate around the fixing screws and thus complicate
the sealing process. This can easily be determined with the use of a
staright edge on the inside face of the plate.
 My technique is to place the edge of the plate on a solid steel backing, (
anvil, steel joist etc ) and put the ball pein end of a hammer acros the
inside edge of a fixing hole, strike the head of the hammer with another
hammer, thus flattening to slightly sinking the area around the hole, repeat
this  on all the fixing holes. Thus when a gasket and sealant are applied
the plate has a good chance of sealing, if the area around the  holes is
slightly sunk by the hammering, it will tend to pull staright when the plate
is secured.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:14:30 +0200
Subject: Internet speeding!

Believe it or not, there is a on-line site here in Denmark where you can
see where in the country police radar or photo traps are in operation.

It's in Danish, so its of limited interest, but it does has a certain
novelty value - here's the address!

www.razzia.dk

funny?

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 18:16:48 EDT
Subject: Re:those mysterious white gloves

Pat's 110 sports:

***
WIW, There was a small roll of *electrical tape* (maybe lucas stipulated it
should be there)and a spark plug gapper/feeler guage in the toolkit that came
with my LR. Other Items: Sockets and a bar to turn them with, pliers,
screwdriver handle w/inserts, *white gloves* , 4 open end metric wrenches,
channel-lock pliers and a spark plug tool. 
***

the white gloves are there so's people can see you hitching a ride
at night!

rd/nige

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:45:44 EDT
Subject: Re:those mysterious white gloves

In a message dated 4/9/98 6:21:28 PM, you wrote:

>the white gloves are there so's people can see you hitching a ride
>at night!

And i always thought they were so my hands wouldn't slip on the wax coat when
pushing the car... Now I know why they came with RRs and the 110s!

Thanks ;-)

BTW, call me a wimp, but I tried pushing it once, just to see if I could. I
couldn't get more than 10 feet!

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:57:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: What's in an original LR tool kit?

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Russell G. Dushin wrote:

> pps we really ought to try to assemble a complete list of original
> LR tools for the FAQ, eh?  Maybe some pics, too.

>From _Land-Rover Series IIA Parts Catalogue, bonneted Control Models_,
part number 608024, pages 08 38 and 08 39, the tool kit is 

part number		description
---------------------------------------

2703			none (pliers)
56770			none (reversable screwdriver) 
240836			Distributor screwdriver (has feeler gauge for pts)
503424			grease gun
2705			3/16 X 1/4 Whit spanner
230736			5/16 X 7/16 Whit spanner
276496			7/16 X 1/2 AF spanner
276397			5/8 X 9/16 AF spanner
277217			11/16 X 3/8 AF spanner (diesel , for dist. pump)
277320			3/8 Whit spanner
2707			none (caliper-like adjust spanner)
54485			Box spanner (no size listed)
1403			Tommy bar (fits through hole in box spanner, to
			turn it)
276322			Sparking plug spanner (petrol only)
276323			Extension for plug spanner
219704			Tool Rool
592214			Lifting jack, screw type
592219			Jack Rod
543301			Jack Handle
513072			Jack handle, round end (different jack)
514624			Jack handle, spade end (earlier jack)
523638			Tyre Pump, hand operated
524959			Connection for pump
562019			tyre pressure gauge
523023			Tyre pump, foot operated (optional)
218508			Starting Handle (God bless 'em)
537179			Wheel nut wrench, 59/64 AF (!!!)
569686			Wheel nut wrench, 1 1/16 AF

Somehow I doubt that any of these numbers are still available.

David

> ppss you folks know how much people pay for original Jag tool kits??
>      just take a guess...

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1998 21:04:33, -0500
Subject: wiring a delco alternator

Check the www.vtr.org     page.  Tech article on this subject.  JOHN

____
John  Rossi

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:08:29
Subject: chickens

>I seem to remember that this story related to the british using chickens
>to test the windows on high speed trains?

What else would one use a British chicken for? Is there a mad chicken
disease? Would this cause chickens to fly at very high speed into train
windows? Boy this could take a couple bottles of malt to decide.

WELCOME LUIS FROM SAN JOSE.

Jim Wolf

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