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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:19:26 EDT
Subject: Re:  Bouncing mail

In a message dated 4/7/98 2:43:44 AM, you wrote:

>I got into trouble changing computer, and operating system, the 
>firewall thing came to the conclusion I was no longer... and bounced 
>all outside messages.

As far as those things go, it was over very quickly. Congrats on catching it
and sorting it out.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:25:51 EDT
Subject: Re:  The Queen & Her Land-Rovers

In a message dated 4/6/98 8:20:45 PM, you wrote:

>Also, I saw some other program (can't remember what it was) concerning the
>deterioration of Andrew and Fergie's marriage and it had footage of the
>Queen driving a 110 Station Wagon en route to the Duke's estate.
>Mind you, she was driving, not being chauffered.

Driving, yes, because the rear seats are hell for a short person to get into
and that much more uncomfortable than the fronts...

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:34:25 EDT
Subject: Re:  "Vintage" Land Rovers(Ethnic Slur included)

I would not really like the term vintage to be applied to any vehicle I ever
own. It makes it seem like the vehicle sits in a garage and only gets pushed
out to see the sun once in a while. Also, the term seems more apt for a bottle
of wine that sits on a shelf, being "collected". I've seen people referring to
their cars as vintage (here in the US, for a 57 Caddy, for example) at car
shows, and have also seen 80inch LRs older than the so-called vintage cars
climbing hills and crossing streams; so applying "vintage" to LRs just doesn't
seem right (yet).

Pat
93  110

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:48:00 -0400
Subject: Flooding Hypothesis

I've posted this before but Andy Blackley's theories suggest a repost.

On the Weber single choke I used to suffer a flooding problem on a hot
restart. I believe the cause was due to two things. 1. Too high pressure
from the fuel pump 2. Bubbles in the fuel as it "boiled" in the hot float
chamber.  The bubbles reduced the density of the fuel causing the float to
sink under the force from the needle valve which was resisting a high fuel
pressure. The fuel level rises and it pours out of the main jet flooding off
the engine at idle. The cure was twofold. a. Reduce delivery pressure by
fitting a bypass back to tank. b. Put an aluminium heat shield under the
carburettor to protect it from radiated manifold heat.

Hope this may help some people with this problem.

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 8:11:41 -0400
Subject: Re: OSTRACIZED

'Pends on whether you want your Rover to ride the way God and Solihull 
intended or you wish to go off expurrmintin' in the black art of 
suspension modification. If the question is intended to supply 
justification for spending an extra hundred bones on shocks, you'll 
probably be mad you did so after all is said and done.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Steve Irwin" <irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:24:04 EST
Subject: CB Radio, Antenna placement

Hello folks-

Those of you that have CB equipment, where did you decide to place 
the antenna, so that it is relatively safe from damage whilst 
trail-running, etc?

I personally am thinking strongly of a non-permanent setup.  That is, 
a CB and antenna that normally live un-installed until such time as I 
go four-wheeling.  Why?  No locks, door tops often off, etc.

While we're at it, doe s anybody *ever* find a use for the +/- 12 
volt power ports on the dash of a series 3?

Steve Irwin
FEZZIK 1973 S3 88

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:29:03 +0100
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

I'm going for the wing - but I have plenty of holes there already.
Plus the aerial is lying down in the back at the moment.

You can always go for a base-loaded jobby  (shorter).

Don't trust the fusing on the "lamp" output on the SIII dash.   I take my
24v off the nice big terminals I have between the seats!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu on 04/07/98 01:24:04 PM

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Subject:  CB Radio, Antenna placement

Hello folks-
Those of you that have CB equipment, where did you decide to place
the antenna, so that it is relatively safe from damage whilst
trail-running, etc?
I personally am thinking strongly of a non-permanent setup.  That is,
a CB and antenna that normally live un-installed until such time as I
go four-wheeling.  Why?  No locks, door tops often off, etc.
While we're at it, doe s anybody *ever* find a use for the +/- 12
volt power ports on the dash of a series 3?
Steve Irwin
FEZZIK 1973 S3 88

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:41:56 -0500
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

>While we're at it, doe s anybody *ever* find a use for the +/- 12
>volt power ports on the dash of a series 3?

Sure!! Lucas made a little device (part number 560617) that plugs into the
sockets, and you can screw 12v power wires into it and plug it in the dash.
I run a radar detector from mine, and a friend with a SII runs his portable
cell. phone. Lucas made a cool little work light that plugged in their as
well... way back when.
See ya!

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:42:49 -0700
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

Steve Irwin wrote:

>  where did you decide to place
> the antenna, so that it is relatively safe from damage whilst
> trail-running, etc? .
I placed mine on the spare tire on the bonnet. It was a magnetic 
mount, 4 foot long, but sometimes would get knocked down in 'Heavy' bush, 
so I just drilled the lip of the base for a small self tapping screw 
right into the rim. It's lived there for about ten years, no problems.

Cheers,  

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: garnold@clvm.clarkson.edu (Guy Arnold)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:55:59 -0500
Subject: Hand Winches

Another source for hand winches in the USA ia the Surplus Center in
Lincoln, NE phone 800-488-3407. They also have listed a complete PTO winch
(7500 lbs) with PTO coupler, drive shaft and snatch block for $629.99. This
is a brand new winch built by United Engineering for use on military
vehicles just in case anyone is interested.
Guy E Arnold
1973 Series III swb
1960 MGA 1600 roadster

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:53:45 -0700
Subject: Re:Radar Detectors,was..... CB Radio, Antenna placement

Mike Smith wrote:

> I run a radar detector from mine

Radar Detector?? What, for those school zones?? ;-)
While we're on speed, I was on the Autobahn last week, doing 152 km/hr 
with my rental,(I looked) and a Defender 110 passed me, probably doing 
about 175 km/hr  =:-0  .  Course, I gotta ask, anybody on the list?

Cheers
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: JKwas61947 <JKwas61947@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:24:37 EDT
Subject: Drilling Jets

Alan Richer asked about jet sizes and drilling.

     Back in my racing days drilling was a common thing to do.  We always
called a #48 drill size a 48 jet, but I dont remember ever checking a stock 48
against a #48 drill to see how close they were.
     We would also solder the orafice closed and start over if we got the size
wrong.  One guy I know just used JB Weld!  To drill we used a dremel and a
pair of vice-grips to hold the jet.  It was the automotive equivalent of civil
war battlefield surgery.

   To answer your question, a machinist friend of mine told me that, yes, a
jet size is equivalent to a drill size.

John

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:34:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Drilling Jets

John mentions:

It was the automotive equivalent of civil
war battlefield surgery.

Speak for yourself....8*)

Considering I was going to put a holding jig in my 4-jaw chuck and
lathe-drill it, I hardly consider it a hack...<grin>

Thanks for the information. if I can run up a local source this becomes
moot, but it's nice to know.

               Alan

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

I run a radar detector from mine, and a friend with a SII runs his
portable
cell phone.

OK, I can understand the cell phone, but can someone explain the radar
detector in a series to me......:-)
Smitty

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:01:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Radar traps:

>Explain the radar detector in a Series to me.....

Trust me, you can get busted for speeding in a Series vehicle...35 in a 30
zone was my sin...

Gotta love local law enforcement that has nothing better to do...

               ajr

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:08:01 +0100
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

Stealth mode...

Notice the flat-slabs - especially the windows.   This is stealth before it
was made fashionable
by the Apache and the F117.

Compare windows to a modern "ultra-aerodynamic" car which reflects light in
*all* directions...

Under favourable conditions, the directed beam of reflected sunlight, off,
say the windscreen can be used as a weapon...      :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR   "Super-Stealth")

smithdv1@yahoo.com on 04/07/98 03:00:38 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

I run a radar detector from mine, and a friend with a SII runs his
portable
cell phone.
OK, I can understand the cell phone, but can someone explain the radar
detector in a series to me......:-)
Smitty

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1998 10:15:41, -0500
Subject: Zenith  O Ring

Hello All.  I have replace a few O-Rings at the bottom of the float 
bowl in my time.  I buy them at my Local "Ace Hareware" Store.  Just 
bring the old one to match it up.  

____
John  Rossi

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:24:59 -0500

Is this the right way to post a message?
Its my first time.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:24:17 -0400
Subject: Re:

This works well - don't be afraid - we don't bite!

Please, join us!

               Alan Richer

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:33:56 -0500
Subject: RE: 

Thank you.
I have a question
can you fit RR wheels on a series III?
or the hub just wont fit on the little center hole?

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:37:18 -0700
Subject: Re: OSTRACIZED

Bill,

Go for it! My friend and I have both gone to the OME shocks and have not
rregretted it. For off-roading the give an additional travel length. On the
highway they give better stability in turns...We live in CO so any trail
riding involves mountain travel on bendy roads.

Try to buddy up to a local parts supplier first and get a good deal...But
they are worth it!

John

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:42:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> This works well - don't be afraid - we don't bite!

Alan only speaks for himself, mind you.

Range Rover wheels -at least the alloy sort - don't fit over the hubs on
series trucks.  Earlier RR came with different hubs which had steel
wheels.  I do not know if these fit.

David

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:50:03 -0700
Subject: Re: delco alternators

David,

If the list fial to give you the info for any reason, give Frank a call at
Concourse Cars, Colorado Springs, CO 719-473-6288...He's knows his stuff.

john

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:47:00 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 4/7/98 9:28:38 AM, you wrote:

>Is this the right way to post a message?
>Its my first time.

Yup, welcome to the list. Often, when people post, they do include a topic in
the <Subject> line of their mailer so it doesn't look like junk mail, as well
as being identifiable to those reading the thread...

pat
93  110

Oh yeah, about the RR wheels on the SIII axles; I thought those with RR wheels
were coil conversions with RR axles & brakes, but I could be wrong. I think i
read something (letter to the editor) in LRO about not using alloy wheels on
drum brake axles because there is a flange that doesn't allow the wheel to sit
right. Someone at a place that sells both Series parts and RR wheels (RN?)
could probably give you a definite answer.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:53:53 -0500
Subject: RE: 

Well, I dont think bitting over the net is rather common!!

It seems to be quite difficult to find alloy wheels to fit series cars,
or I'm just not looking in the rigth places?

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:07:55 -0500
Subject: RR Wheels

>From now on I will write a subject.

I have seen pictures of Series cars with Alloy wheels, but very rarely.
Does that mean we are damn to keep using the white-steel cookies forever?
I hope not.
Can some help me!!!??? (a little more, I mean)

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:32:18 -0500
Subject: Series LR prices

Here, where I live, Series LR are extremely common, because for many years they 
where assambled locally (not any more). 
You can find them selling for around $3000, (series independent).
Is that a standard price worlwide, or they are very cheap/expensive here?

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:35:08 -0500
Subject: ...

If I'm writing too much, you people should understand its the first time Im in 
here.
So, dont get mad at me.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:49:39 +0100
Subject: Re: ...

Hey, when I first got my Landy, I was always asking questions!

Ask away!

Where are you incidentally?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

lgutierr@jccr.co.cr on 04/07/98 03:35:08 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

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Subject:  ...

If I'm writing too much, you people should understand its the first time Im
in here.
So, dont get mad at me.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:56:49 -0500
Subject: RE: ...

I live in San Jose, the capital of Costa Rica, in Central America.
Its a lovely country, lots of places for landrovering around in the tropic.
Have you heard of it?

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:53:40 -0700
Subject: Re: ...

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

> If I'm writing too much, you people should understand its the first time Im 
in here.
> So, dont get mad at me..
That's what your supposed to do here. Ask all the Land Rover questions 
you want, there is usually someone here that's got the answer your 
looking for! Where are you located?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:04:38 +0100
Subject: RE: ...

I was intrigued as to where ".cr" was.   (you learn something every day, as
they say!)

Yes, I've heard of it, but know very little. When people say "San Jose" I
usually assume the one in Silicon Valley - I'll know better now.  (yes, I
knew there were other San Joses, but not one that was a capital!)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

lgutierr@jccr.co.cr on 04/07/98 03:56:49 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  RE: ...

I live in San Jose, the capital of Costa Rica, in Central America.
Its a lovely country, lots of places for landrovering around in the tropic.
Have you heard of it?

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 09:09:51 -0700
Subject: Re: OSTRACIZED

;>no longer !!!!  HA HA HA HA! I used my proven rover maintenance
;>technique--wait two weeks and see if it's still broken and once again . 
>.
;>.VINDICATION!!!  I'd better stop doing that or it'll get stuck again, 
eh?

Congratulations!  You just wait for the keyboard to leak enough oil to 
lubricate the shift key.  Brilliant non-manouver worthy of true Lazy 
bugger status.  It is a shame you are not on the West coast.  You could 
join the Lazy Bugger Land Rover group and get a badge....If those lazy 
buggers ever get around to making a second badge run.  The first run was 
made up by someone who has distinct non-Lazy Bugger tendencies.

;> now that i can rejoin society will someone please answer my question 
about
;>ome vs oem shocks--worth it?

Sorry, during the 20 years I have owned The Green Rover I have only used 
OEM shocks.  I know they work well and last a long time.  I have had no 
reason or desire to switch.

Welcome back into polite (??) net society ;*)

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 09:10:05 -0700
Subject: Re: CB Radio, Antenna placement

;>Those of you that have CB equipment, where did you decide to place 
;>the antenna, so that it is relatively safe from damage whilst 
;>trail-running, etc?

I placed mine on the rear lower body. I felt a side placment would add a 
protrusion to be knocked off and cause body damage, same to a top 
mounting.  I already have a spare tyre, shovel, pick axe head, power 
radio antenna and snorkle mounted up front and decided that a front mount 
CB antanna would just be too much.

I used to use a magnetic antenna.  I placed it on the bonnet mounted 
spare tyre and ran the wire through a scuttle vent.  It worked fine on 
the road.  Brush and major bumps frequently knocked it off while off 
ro^Aading.

;>I personally am thinking strongly of a non-permanent setup.  That is, 
;>a CB and antenna that normally live un-installed until such time as I 
;>go four-wheeling.  Why?  No locks, door tops often off, etc.

My first set up used a hand held CB.  It sat in the seat next to me when 
I used it and went into the house afterwards.  It worked OK.  Still does.

;>While we're at it, doe s anybody *ever* find a use for the +/- 12 
;>volt power ports on the dash of a series 3?

I often use my 12V outlet on my series II.  But I recently converted to 
the US style outlet so I wouldn't have to cut the plug off my 12V 
accessory and add the UK style plug.

I like it so much, I added a 12V outlet to the rear of my car and two in 
the middle.

If nothing else, you could consider a 12V hand held search light, a work 
light or power for a portable CB.

I have a shower pump that runs on 12V, and a 12V electric blanket for 
those really cold nights.  If I didn't have a propane stove built in, I 
would consider a 12V coffee maker.

If you camp in your car a lot, check out the offerings at the RV 
accessory places.  

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:19:48 -0500
Subject: RE: ...

Costa Rica is between Panama and Nicaragua. Lots of Beaches, Volcanos, =
mountains and jungles, and many dirt roads to travel through. Since the =
second income in importance for the country is tourism, I guess there =
has to be somthing attractive for people around the world to come.
We are a little country, but as I said, full of Land Rovers every where.
I have never read anywhere about Land Rovers being assambled in other =
countries, except for Santanas in Spain, and other early ones in =
Belgium. But here they were assambled for about 15 years or so, and =
almost every one you see on the streets has a badge that says it was =
buit here.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 09:30:53 -0700
Subject: Re: 

>Is this the right way to post a message?
>Its my first time.
;

Your posting went into the list OK.  

I only have one suggestion.  Please fill in the subject line when you 
post a message so readers will know what you are writing about.  There is 
a lot of traffic and many of us do not read every posting.  So a good 
descriptive subject header is important.

Take care,

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:29:43 +0200
Subject: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

Dear List,

What is the general opinion regarding what tyres to have on your 109"? Mine
is now equipped with 7.50x16 but I need to get a new set of tyres and
before buying a new set of 7.50 tyres I would like to hear the lists
opinion. I could get a good deal on a set of 205x16 but I am not sure which
profile to choose to get the right height, 80 ? What are the list
experiences concerning steering, noice, gas consumtion etc for different
sizes/types of tyres? 

/Peter
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
018-39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:44:28 +0100
Subject: RE: ...

I think South Africa imported kits and built them up.
I think quite a few African countries did.
South America is bit more unusual though...

Santana and Minerva (the Belgians) were "special" in that they made some
changes to the vehicles - eg. the different shape wings.

Volcanoes and mountains sound good!  :-)     [spot the geologist-sort-of]

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

lgutierr@jccr.co.cr on 04/07/98 04:19:48 PM

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Subject:  RE: ...

Costa Rica is between Panama and Nicaragua. Lots of Beaches, Volcanos, =
mountains and jungles, and many dirt roads to travel through. Since the =
second income in importance for the country is tourism, I guess there =
has to be somthing attractive for people around the world to come.
We are a little country, but as I said, full of Land Rovers every where.
I have never read anywhere about Land Rovers being assambled in other =
countries, except for Santanas in Spain, and other early ones in =
Belgium. But here they were assambled for about 15 years or so, and =
almost every one you see on the streets has a badge that says it was =
buit here.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:51:53 -0500
Subject: RE: non-uk buit LR

Is it true that there are Santanas with roll-down windows?

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:48:48 -0500
Subject: Re:Radar Detectors,was.....

>Mike Smith wrote:
>> I run a radar detector from mine
>Radar Detector?? What, for those school zones??

Well... grin ;-). The Series Rovers I tool around in aren't exactly "stock" ;-)
Just finished up a 3.9 EFI in a SIII Lightweight. See ya! (in the rea view)

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:11:05 +0100
Subject: RE: non-uk buit LR

>Is it true that there are Santanas with roll-down windows?
There might be - I don't know.

Sounds like the sort of thing they might have put on the "Series IV".
Santana produced a Series IV with parabolic leafsprings,etc when Land Rover
discontinued the SIII and started the 90/110 line.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:20:29 -0500
Subject: RE: non-uk buit LR. Roll down windows

I have read about those kind of windows existing, but I have never seen then.
Has anyone seen them?
Or is it just one of those classical myths?

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 07:12:54 -1000
Subject: RE: Costa Rica, is that a drink???

Yes we have heard of your lovely country, the only country in central
america or possibly the world for that matter without an army.  

One of the frequent threads on this list is buying rovers in your country
and importing to the US.  Seems that people think rovers are the national
vehicle of Costa Rica and a possible source if you can't find one here.
Guard your national treasures from the rapacious yankee.

Welcome to the list.  Wish I'd had the list to ask about these vehicles
when I first got into rovering.

Aloha  Peter

At 09:56 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:22:41 EDT
Subject: Re:  most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

In a message dated 4/7/98 11:38:28 AM, you wrote:

>before buying a new set of 7.50 tyres I would like to hear the lists
>opinion. I could get a good deal on a set of 205x16 but I am not sure which
>profile to choose to get the right height, 80 ?

7.50R16 is an ideal tire size for LWBs, I had them (OEM) on my 110 since new.
They are just hard to find here in the US, and if you do find them, they are
$$$. I went with 245/75R16 which are a wee bit shorter than 7.50s, but they'll
do. I found the 205R16 to be smallish in comparison. Our D90 has those as
oem's and while they do ok, they look small and the 90 looks like it could
benefit from meatier treads, like the US NAS D90s.

Stick with 7.50R16 tires for your LWB, or get a comparable p-metric tire.
Also, be sure to check the bias/radial stamping as I think it matters very
much on LWB rovers which one you have...

pat
93  110

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Parts car and 'how to' 

Thanks for the advice reguarding the siezed engine and suffix a box (still
haven't looked on there yet). Where could I order suffix a box parts?

Is us$800 a lot to pay for a parts car (swb '63)? The body is in real good
shape, only one bent fender, with liftgate and tailgate. Frame, springs and
bulkhead are shot, door bottoms can be repaired. Engine is seized, and I
don't know about transmission or diff quality. The wiring is in better
shape than on my daily driver! The car is complete except for a title or a
key.                     Anybody looking for parts :   )

AND...
I subscribe to the lro emial and the uklro email lists. I remember reading
something about not posting on both. Is that because the lro email gets
sent to the uklro email lists?
How do I know if my lro email gets to the uk list?

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:52:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Parts car and 'how to'

In a message dated 4/7/98 1:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pmk11@cornell.edu
writes:

<< Is us$800 a lot to pay for a parts car (swb '63)? The body is in real good
 shape, only one bent fender, with liftgate and tailgate. Frame, springs and
 bulkhead are shot, door bottoms can be repaired. Engine is seized, and I
 don't know about transmission or diff quality. The wiring is in better
 shape than on my daily driver! The car is complete except for a title or a
 key.           >>

$800 is in the right ballpark although a truly non-salvagable bulkhead, seized
engine, bad frame and no title does detract from the value significantly. 

Nate

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:54:04 -0500
Subject: RE: Costa Rica, is that a drink??? No, it's not!!!!!

Thank you for your welcome.
You are all cordially invited to visit this roverish destination!
There are many rovers around here, but as you say, I hope they stay =
here!!
Seriously, if there is someone interested is importing from here, I =
think it is rather simple (the way out), I've heard the way into the =
states is the difficult part.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 07:48:11 -1000
Subject: RE: Why would anyone want roll up windows!!!!

	You open the sliding window with a single flick of the risk.  No
interminable cranking and surely without the deterioration of the crank
mechanism by the inevitably leaky rover.  Also more weight on a vehicle
that is not powered to take it.

	Roll down the window on your other car and drive at 50mph.  Great having
that hurricane blast of wind in the face and blowing everything in the car
around.  Almost as much fun as riding a naked motorcycle.  I know there are
a few of you who like naked motorcycles but not in an auto.  

	The sliding windows provide excellent draft free ventilation, are 
simple,
light weight, and very reliable.	Why complicate the simple beauty of the
rover.  

	I guess that's why the other types have their $40,000 airconditioned
defenders.  Just what the world needs is another poser vehicle, probably
even have electric window lifts.  Now there is an option that adds to the
off road reliability of your vehicle.

Aloha Peter.

At 11:20 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:00:28 -1000
Subject: Re: frozen chickens and the FAA, no landrover content

The chicken story supposedly stems from testing aircraft for bird strikes.
The US Federal Aviation Agency developed a gun device to launch fowl into
planes at various speeds to simulate real life impact.  The brits borrowed
it to test on some of their aircraft and were amazed at the damage frozen
chicken carcasses caused.  Supposedly instructions to use thawed chicken
was not understood.  

>I see the story has since become an urban legend on the Internet. Of course
>the Internet version is almost warped beyond recognition (what the heck
>have the FAA got to do with it for Gawd's sake?)
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 11:19:00 -0700
Subject: Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

;>What is the general opinion regarding what tyres to have on your 109"?

I went to 7 inch wide rims by switching to the steel Discovery wheels.  
Besides I thought that the slots were an improvment over the looks of the 
narrow stock rims.

With the 7 inch rims I went to 260/70/16 B.F.Goodrich Mud Terrains.  
These tyres are about 31 inches tall.  

In general, I'm very happy with these tyres.  They clog in wet clay more 
than I would like but most any streetable tyre would.  They are sturdy 
enough for rock crawling.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:29:52 -0500
Subject: RE: Roll up windows - Not a bad trick after all (geographically 
speaking)!!

You can be right to some extent, but there is a geographical matter to =
it.
If you live near the Equator (ergo "tropical climate") you would =
appreciate to some degree the hurricane blast!
For example: Today we are having a rather uncomfortable 88F or 32C =
breezeless day, and I have to go for lunch in the car. Obviously there =
is no A/C in it.
I dont care if things inside the car blow all over, if I can get the =
benefit of a couple degrees less from a Hurricane blast!!

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:28:48 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: frozen chickens and the FAA, no landrover content

In a message dated 4/7/98 1:13:47 PM, you wrote:

>The brits borrowed
>it to test on some of their aircraft and were amazed at the damage frozen
>chicken carcasses caused.  Supposedly instructions to use thawed chicken
>was not understood.  

As if frozen birds flew around the skies on a regular basis. They may as well
have used rocks. Incidentally, frozen water chipped my windscreen. I was
driving along when it hailed, and a piece of hail was thrown up by the vehicle
infront of me.

pat
93  110 

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:29:00 -1000
Subject: Re: Parts car value.

I paid $400 for mine with what sounds like poorer body, similar frame and
bulkhead and rustier doors, but only 50,000 miles on the clock. Paid for
itself, probably more than twice over in the parts that I've transferred
over the last 10 years.  The head is a prime factor.  That is worth at
least $200 if it is not cracked, cracked, it makes a nice coffee table
ornament.  Transmissions go on rovers so that is another thing that would
be nice to have.  Body parts are nice to have as they seem to get sculpted
in the brush if you use your rover.  The tail gate is worth $250 and I'll
buy it if you want to sell.  Engine's are nice to have if you like to
tinker.  You can rebuild the engine in anticipation of yours departing and
be ready when the time for a transplant comes.  The reason engines are only
nice to have is that they are expensive to rebuild and the innards are
abundant.  I have three worn out engines in my garage that I picked up for
the labor to haul away.

	One disappointing thing is that parts that wear out or rust away on one
rover are the ones that rust away or wear out on every rover.  The big
parts that I managed to use off the parts car were definitely worthwhile,
the lesser parts were not such a big deal.  The worst part that I swapped
was the water pump.  Lasted all of two months after the swap.  I am real
good at removing the breakfast and r&r'ing a water pump on the rover, now.
The trans is going strong for 30,000 miles after the transplant, however.
The head and engine were transplanted after being rebuilt.  The rear tub is
still a monument in my back yard.  Non rusty swivel balls would be a big plus.
	In short, its worth it if you can use the parts or have a market to sell
them.  A junk dealer once told me how he estimated the value of a wreck.
You have to cover the cost of the car with the sale of one component off
the car.
	I forgot the best reason to have a parts car.  It really lends character
to your abode while you are in the process of dismantling.  Good for
endless conversations with the swmbo and the neighborhood vigilante
committee.  Don't take this lightly as I know of at least one owner who had
to sell his project because of the neighbors and the swmbo is not called
"she who must be obeyed" for no reason.
Aloha Peter  

>Is us$800 a lot to pay for a parts car (swb '63)? The body is in real good
>shape, only one bent fender, with liftgate and tailgate. Frame, springs and
>bulkhead are shot, door bottoms can be repaired. Engine is seized, and I
>don't know about transmission or diff quality. The wiring is in better
>shape than on my daily driver! The car is complete except for a title or a
>key.                     Anybody looking for parts :   )
>AND...
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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:52:48 -0500
Subject: Re: frozen chickens and the FAA, no landrover content

>>>>> "Faye" == Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> writes:

    Faye> The chicken story supposedly stems from testing aircraft for
    Faye> bird strikes.  The US Federal Aviation Agency developed a gun
    Faye> device to launch fowl into planes at various speeds to
    Faye> simulate real life impact.  The brits borrowed it to test on
    Faye> some of their aircraft and were amazed at the damage frozen
    Faye> chicken carcasses caused.  Supposedly instructions to use
    Faye> thawed chicken was not understood.

I'm probably not the only one here who has actually participated in bird
strike testing, but they do, in fact, fire birds out of pneumatic
cannons.  In my case, it was into an aircraft engine (The GE90, in fact)
and I was really just a spectator, but I can vouch for the existence of
the bird cannons.  Nowadays they use "standardized" birds, which are
really bags of gelatin and such for a lot of the tests, but they do use
real ones too.  And they spin them so their wings open up before they
hit.  Surreal.
								-MM

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Parts car and 'how to' 

Thanks for the advice reguarding the siezed engine and suffix a box (still
haven't looked on there yet). Where could I order suffix a box parts?

Is us$800 a lot to pay for a parts car (swb '63)? The body is in real good
shape, only one bent fender, with liftgate and tailgate. Frame, springs and
bulkhead are shot, door bottoms can be repaired. Engine is seized, and I
don't know about transmission or diff quality. The wiring is in better
shape than on my daily driver! The car is complete except for a title or a
key.                     Anybody looking for parts :   )

AND...
I subscribe to the lro emial and the uklro email lists. I remember reading
something about not posting on both. Is that because the lro email gets
sent to the uklro email lists?
How do I know if my lro email gets to the uk list?

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:02:10 +0200
Subject: Welcome to Luis

Welcome to the list Luis.

Don't worry, just ask. Most of the questions you will ask have been
discussed before, often in the last few months. One or two people might
be irritated by the repitition, the majority of us will be pleased to
hel, or at least ehar the answers again, as we probably foprgot the
details anyway.

Rovering leads to asking questions, there is no way out of it - just
console yourself with the fact that with Land Rover ownership - the
first 30 years are the hardest. :-)

If you keep on asking questions and scraping rust, you will soon feel at
home, and within a few months, will be offering many of us welcome words
of wisdom.

Like all lists there are many topics which you "should" avoid - but
don't worry, no-one else on the list avoids these topics either.

Welcome! (what are you driving?)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:04:28 +0200
Subject: Re: frozen chicken legends

I seem to remember that this story related to the british using chickens
to test the windows on high speed trains?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:10:34 +0200
Subject: Re: Galvanising old frames

My 88" is now almost totally broken apart as part of the firewall
rebuild.

I am considering going the whole hog and having the chassis galvanised
(by hot dipping) but I haven't yet found a company in Denmark which does
this.

Before I waste time on the project, I would ask if anyone else has
galvanised an old frame. The rear frame is new (2 years, no rust) and
the front is original. (painted, very little rust, no holes).

The inside is probably full of crud (after all the car is 1979).

What pitfalls are there? Is there anything I shold know or ask
beforehand? Is there any danger of warping the chassis (I have heard
warp-warnings on this list?)

Prolonging the life of a chassis is important in Denmark - partial
repairs are permitted, full replacements constitute a "new car" and
result in an expensive excise bill.

So - should I or shouldn't I?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:12:32 +0200
Subject: Re: Why would anyone want roll up windows!!!!

Nice one Peter :-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:18:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: frozen chicken legends

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> I seem to remember that this story related to the british using chickens
> to test the windows on high speed trains?

That is more or less the cannonical version.  See the AFU faq at  
http://www.urbanlegends.com

David

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:26:51 -0500
Subject: RE: Welcome to Luis

You people surely know how to make you feel at home!!
Thank you for the welcome message.
I'm still in the negotiation process, it is not mine yet, but by the end =
of this week I hope I will own a 1974 SIII 88".
I think the year model is not very accurate, because the models =
assambled here where, I guess, a couple years behind the official model =
year.
For example, I have seen SII registered as being a 1970 model.

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:38:03 -0500
Subject: LR as "Fashionable" cars

Some people tell me, including my wife, that a Series LR is not quite a 
"fashionable " car for a lawyer.
I think I have her already convinced, but I haven't been so successful with the 
rest of my parents family.
My mechanic almost killed me when I told him what I was going to buy.
I really don't care, but I wanted to make the comment.

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From: "Boqvist,Holgerson" <ostkant@algonet.se>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:41:16 +0100
Subject: Diesel or petrol =?iso-8859-1?Q?what=B4s?= best.

Hi
Need some advice on my 88 1964-72-82 hybrid - don´t no what...rebuilding it
from 2-3 cars both petrol and diesel. 109 and 88.
Both engines is OK as far as I know.

Should I go for the Diesel or gasoline engine? Diesel car older than 30
years is really a bargain to own and drive in Sweden. (Low diesel tax, and
no road tax!) But I´m afraid of its poor power and cold start and diesel
pumps and...
But if I go for the gasoline engine the gasoline consumption makes it hairy
to use depending on the high gas price. (High gasoline tax)
I´ll guess I use my car mostly in the city, but also sometimes take it off
road in the summer when I am at my summerhouse far from home. (Highway
driving)

Any one of you list readers that have a clue on which feet I should leave
on the ground. I know it is a subjective thing.

Or ?

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:40:54 EDT
Subject: Re Tigger...no LR Content

8-track?  Sorry.. couldn't resist!

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:47:06 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Galvanising old frames

In a message dated 4/7/98 2:17:52 PM, you wrote:

>What pitfalls are there? Is there anything I shold know or ask
>beforehand? Is there any danger of warping the chassis (I have heard
>warp-warnings on this list?)

Isn't that the bulkheads they're reffering to?

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:41:53 -1000
Subject: Re: LR as "Fashionable" cars

	I am a Realtor and have occasionally been caught with the rover when
clients wanted to see property right now.  Never had a comlaint and
actually had one client who insisted that I get the rover to show them
property.  Mine is essentially a work vehicle for my coffee farm with the
paint stripped, dents from an exposure of the dark side, and the wear and
tear of 25 years.  So it was not the cache of driving in a restored classic.  
	The wife will never understand, however.
Aloha Peter

>Some people tell me, including my wife, that a Series LR is not quite a
"fashionable " car for a lawyer.
>I think I have her already convinced, but I haven't been so successful
with the rest of my parents family.
>My mechanic almost killed me when I told him what I was going to buy.
>I really don't care, but I wanted to make the comment.

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:58:55 -0500
Subject: RE: Why would anyone want roll up windows!!!!

>        The sliding windows provide excellent draft free ventilation, are
>simple

I don't know. I just drove around in Southern Mexico in a D110 with sliding
windows. The "excellent draft free ventilation" is a bit of an over
statement in my opinion. What I would have given for roll down windows
driving from Acapolco (spelling) to Oaxaca!! Especially stuck in traffic in
Mexico City!! :-)

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:07:07 -0500
Subject: Roll up (or down) windows

I insist.
Anyone has ever seen the suposedly existant roll up windows of a Santana?

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From: mark perry <cmperry@autobahn.mb.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:10:04 +0000
Subject: Old news? 101 for sale

I haven't been keeping up with the list lately so I apologize if this is old
news, but I found that Lionheart Vehicles, a British MV dealer-type has a 101
listed at US$ 11,000, with Oregon title.
He's Greg Cash at 541 946 1611, e-mail at milveh@aol.com.

Meanwhile, my '66 SIIA 88 is "resting."

Cheers, all

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:17:27 -1000
Subject: RE: Why would anyone want roll up windows!!!!

I live in Kona on the island of Hawaii.  Not especially frigid here.  I've
driven mine without windows, without doors, without top, without
windshield, without just about anything that can fall off a rover.  Found
that the sliding windows give the best ventilation compromise underway.
Probably the best way to drive the rover is with the whole window frame
removed, gives a huge hole for you to look out and the wind to come in.
Doesn't really cause many problems unless you are driving in a srong
crosswind in the rain.  It is too windy to drive comfortably at highway
speed for me, however.  If you haven't tried it, you might like it. 
	Because of the heat from the transmission and exhaust, a rover in 
traffic
is not the vehicle of choice.  Roll up windows won't cut it as the car is
hot even with the windows removed which probably doubles the open area over
roll downs.  The sliding windows are more than adequate in my part of the
tropics.  
Aloha Peter.At 02:58 PM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't know. I just drove around in Southern Mexico in a D110 with sliding
>windows. The "excellent draft free ventilation" is a bit of an over
>statement in my opinion. What I would have given for roll down windows
>driving from Acapolco (spelling) to Oaxaca!! Especially stuck in traffic in
>Mexico City!! :-)
>From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
>*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
>http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:25:27 +0200
Subject: Re: Galvanising old frames

Dear SPYDERS

Your mail was empty! please post again, I await with baited breath!

thanks

Adrian Redmond

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:31:30 EDT
Subject: Re:  Roll up (or down) windows

In a message dated 4/7/98 3:10:59 PM, you wrote:

>I insist.
>Anyone has ever seen the suposedly existant roll up windows of a Santana?

Be patient, I'm going to look through old LRO's. James Taylor did an article
on them showing Series 4 pickups and utility vehicles. I'll go try to find it
and see what kind of windows are there...

pat
93  110

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:32:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Welcome to Luis

Dear Luis,

The 1974 is a good vintage, mine are 1972 (88"DPU) 1976 (109"DHT) and
1979 (88"DHT) and I have a 1973 (88"PHT) in care. All have been in worse
condition than they are today, and all have been easy to restore.

I'm no expert of "Non-1970's" land rovers, but I get the impression that
earlier models are just as easy to work on and have just as much
potential for lasting (almost) forever. I am not sure whether the laetr
models, when they reach old age (whatever that is) will be as easy
(cheap) to maintain as the series, because the motor and many other
widgets are mnore complicated - but as I said, i am no expert.

If the frame is sound and the motor and gearbox dont sound like a
handful of bolts in a coffee grinder, the the rest is just a matter of
hard-earned savings, hard-work, and an understanding spouse.

Good luck.

Adrian Redmond

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:36:23 -0500
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

Sorry! :-)

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 7 Apr 1998 16:42:00 -0400
Subject: vintage...

Russ Burns writes...

>Damn, I checked my Dictionary and read stuff about grapes, old cars
>(they referenced a 1942 auto as vintage , the dictionary is a 1981 version),
>and old and outmoded. Nothing referenced 50 years....
>Of course it was an American Heritage. I guess I should of looked
>in the old Canadian heresy version....

Cdn dictionary here defines a vintage car as a car made between 1917 and
1930.

>Though landrover now being German, vintage could mean "out of 
>warrenty"

Betcha you are right...

Rgds,

Dixon
Heritage LR owner

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:57:46 +0200
Subject: Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

Let me see, 7.50 tyres would be the same as a cross section width of 190.5
mm so if I get 195 or 205 tyres they would be close to the same width as
the 7.50. the question I would like to find an answer to is what profile
would give me about right diameter for these dimensions? Would it be a
problem if I change only two wheels now and two later if the diameter of
the tyres are not exactly the same? I could imagine the transfer case
suffering from this.

/Peter

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:02:28 -0500
Subject: RE: Welcome to Luis

I'm yet working on the "understanding spouse"  matter

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:09:35 -0700 
Subject: Sand Blasting Rims

Hi all;

I'm getting closer to the point where I am going to have to start
painting my Rover.

I want to get my four 15 inch road wheels sand blasted as they are quite
messy.  Is it necessary to remove the tyres first?  I'm not looking for
perfection, just a quick clean up, but I don't want to damage the tyres
as they are still in good shape.  I plan to move up to 16 inch rims
eventually anyway.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88 under construction:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:21:33 -0500
Subject: RE: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

You better not have different diameter tires on the two axles. When you =
drive 4X4 the axles would be rotating at diferent speeds, causing stress =
to the whole transmission system. You better wait to be able to buy the =
four of them, or buy tha same you have.

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 07 Apr 98 14:49:29 MST
Subject: Speedometer error formulas spreadsheet.

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Orin, regarding your formulas for your Speedometer calibration spreadsheet,
Did you mean to DIVIDE on line 10? Or multiply? Your sample numbers work out
if you divide, is this correct?

Using this, I find .84% error with 225-75-15 tires, was this the standard
size with your Rover and "1536" speedometer?

Also, what is the "Speedo Drive Ratio? Is it always 2.2 for LR's? Where did
this information come from? Transfer case ratio?? (Don't think so?)

Got a formula handy for RPM at 60 MPH? (Or any given speed) With OD? Without
OD? There's a lot of potential here!!! Care to expand? (I'm not that
mathmatically inclined... more mathmatically "challenged!")

Thanks, Dave Brown

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:11:32 -0500
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

>>Anyone has ever seen the suposedly existant roll up windows of a Santana?

The Santanas were just like SIII's. They had sliding windows for the most
part, but in the later models in the 1980's (Sanatana called them Series
IIIA, like a Defender but still had leaf springs) "Especial" or SW to you
and me, they had roll up windows. So Santana had roll up on the late
SIIIA's and SIVs.
I still have to side with the roll down windows. Without the abilty (due to
potential theft and the trouble of bolting them on and off each time we
stopped) we had to leave the door tops on on our 1984 D110 in Mexico. We
also couldn't remove the roof or anything else. It was miserable in the
heat and pollution. I really missed the roll downs. I agree taking the
entire door top off is the way to go (as you can actaully get your head out
there and get a great breeze), but short of that. For 15,000 miles I wanted
roll ups, and would have welcomed any hurricane inside the 110.... Until I
got back to New England in late January (then I wanted more heat and less
windows!! ) Never satisfied!! ;-)

From: EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:57:38 -0500
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

Shouln't they still sell the parts for that kind of windows systems in Spain?

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:04:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

> Shouln't they still sell the parts for that kind of windows systems in Spain?

If you are after rolling windows, you can put doors from a 90 or 110 on a
series truck.  Hinges are the same as SIII, yhou need to change for
SII(a).  You probably also have to redo the door seals.  

david

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:23:20 -0500
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

Excuse my ignorance, but, they really fit in without major surgery?

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:14:28 -1000
Subject: Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

I'm not a tire expert but believe the second number refers to the sidewall
height in relation to width.  225/75/16 has a sidewall height of 75% of the
tread width.  A 235/85/16 is 85% etc.  I believe, as far as diameter of the
tire the 235/85/16 most nearly matches 7.50/16.  The tread width is wider
however.  A 205 is closer to the width of a 7.50 but would require a side
wall height nearing or more than 100% of width to have the diameter of a
7.50/16.  The 205 would have to be something like a 205/110/16 (made up
size) and there are no tires of that size that I'm aware of.  There is
supposedly a tire of the other measuring system (tread width and diameter)
that would work on 15" rims. Something like a 9.50/32.5 or something.  I
have never seen this tire advertised but haven't seriously gone looking for
it either.  Others have said it exists but probably expensive because of
limited demand.  
	For my money, the 235/16 is the best compromise between diameter and a
reasonably narrow tread width.  Trying to get the anemic 4 to push a fat
tread is foolish in my mind.  Think I will spring for 7.50/16's next time
around as that is the tire that looks best and is easiest for the four to
propel.   
	I was going to get 225/16's for my 88 until the tire shop guy explained
the tread width was the same between the 225 and 235.  225 was just smaller
in diameter. I had 7.50/16 goodyear wrangler radials on it before.  They
had the treadwidth of the 235 and were even taller.  Sizes seem to vary
from manufacturer to manufacturer so compare in person if possible.
aloha Peter O

>Let me see, 7.50 tyres would be the same as a cross section width of 190.5
>mm so if I get 195 or 205 tyres they would be close to the same width as
>the 7.50. the question I would like to find an answer to is what profile
>would give me about right diameter for these dimensions? Would it be a
>problem if I change only two wheels now and two later if the diameter of
>the tyres are not exactly the same? I could imagine the transfer case
>suffering from this.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:50:27 -1000
Subject: Re: Sand Blasting Rims

Aloha Paul:
	I traded a cement mixer for an air compressor and it was the best move I
ever made.  Using air wrenches on the rusty bolts greatly cuts down the
time for doing things on the rover and makes one person work a lot easier. 
	Recently picked up a sand blast kit for under $30 to clean up my wheels.
Have been bead blasting them and it sure beats sanding.  I've been doing it
with the tires in place but suggest you take them off.  The inside of the
rims can get pretty rusty especially around the valve stem.  Haven't tried
sand.  Does someone in the know, know what kind of sand to get or is it
just go down to the beach with a bucket.
	Next thing is to learn how to spray paint.  Unfortunately that requires
some expensive additions to the compressor besides the spray gun.  
Peter Ogilvie
 

You can buy them for around $3-400, a great investment in your rover.

At 02:09 PM 4/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all;
>I'm getting closer to the point where I am going to have to start
>painting my Rover.
>I want to get my four 15 inch road wheels sand blasted as they are quite
>messy.  Is it necessary to remove the tyres first?  I'm not looking for
>perfection, just a quick clean up, but I don't want to damage the tyres

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
>Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:57 +0800
Subject: Re: Brake post sleeve

Instead of a sleeve, I milled a new post with the part in contact with the
snail cams, 1mm bigger in diameter than the original post. The other end of
the post that goes thru the hole in the shoe is the same size, but I tapped
that end so that I can lock it with a smsll nut after pressing in the new
post.

Be VERY CAREFUL when pressing in the new post, it has to go in squarely, as
a  slight bend in the post will render the whole exercise futile. I know, I
had to re lathe two more posts ;-( The odd shape of the shoes and the small
fiddly bit for a post did not help with the job either.

Having come to the need to sleeve your brake post, I believe U had
reclaimed your brake drums beyond all acceptable limits like me. Can anyone
on the list tell if using brakes modified this way is detrimental in any
way?

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:18:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Sand Blasting Rims

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> what kind of sand to get or is it
> just go down to the beach with a bucket..
     I don't think beach sand is what your looking for. Your supposed to 
look for other things at the beach ;-)
     Try to get some silica sand, #00, 0, or there abouts. Silica sand 
has sharp edges to it, and when blasted at an object they cut through the 
paint/rust whatever. Beach sand is more rounded on it's edges. You can 
also recycle the silica sand if you can filter it from all the impurities 
that come off from the item your blasting. It will work, but each time 
you recycle the sand it loses it's efficiency to cut, the edges of the 
sand get worn off. Also, when you've got the rim blasted, give it a coat 
of paint immediately. Raw steel will start to rust from the humidity in 
the air almost before your eyes, and will ensure that the paint will not 
peel as quick down the road. Also gives the compressor time to cool down 
between jobs.
    As for blasting with the tires on, I do, just to give the rims that 
clean look. Just mask the tires with tape. It really won't bother the 
rubber anyways. The sand just seems to bounce off rubber rather than cut.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:52:52 -0600
Subject: Delco Alternators

Regarding which Delco to pick.

I recently changed to a Delco unit from the old genny.  The one I picked was
a 65 amp, single pulley.  I believe it matches a 1970 Chevelle/El Camino.
Be carefull with the exchange.  Best diagram/conversion  I have found was
the one from AB, also Mr. Churchill (ajr) was a great source of info and
help.  Use of the old VR as a junction block, doesn't look like a Disney
rendition (ie Mickey Moused), actually looks original.

Beware of one major fault.  Make sure you rev the engine high enough for the
Delco VR to take over.  The pulley size has a large affect on this.  I
F@#$ed around for 4 days thinking it wasn't working before I found that all
was well, just not enough rpm's to strart charging.

In any case, the Delco is an easy conversion, and provides a better source
of volts.

Thanks to ajr, and everyone else.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:39:33 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

Peter,
Think you got it backwards re. tire sizes.  The first number is the sidewall
height,  (235).  The second number (85) is the aspect ratio--the width of the
tire as a percentage of the height.  I learned this (or maybe am dead wrong
and just imagine learning it) from yet another article in Four Wheeler or
somewhere that I no longer can find.

I have 235-85/16s on my 109 and love 'em.  BFG M/Ts--they make no noticeable
difference noisewise in a Series truck and I'm really happy w/ their off-road
performance.  I once drove through 3 feet of snow . . .  No I'd better not
start that up again.

bill

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:53:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Delco Alternators

Be shore you use an alternator with a built in regulator,  45 amp or better
will do the job.  They can be bought from any parts supply shop.  Very
simple conversion.
            Peter.
----------
> From: The Stockdales <mstockdale@mho.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Delco Alternators
> Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:52 PM
> Regarding which Delco to pick.
> I recently changed to a Delco unit from the old genny.  The one I picked

was
> a 65 amp, single pulley.  I believe it matches a 1970 Chevelle/El Camino.
> Be carefull with the exchange.  Best diagram/conversion  I have found was
> the one from AB, also Mr. Churchill (ajr) was a great source of info and
> help.  Use of the old VR as a junction block, doesn't look like a Disney
> rendition (ie Mickey Moused), actually looks original.
> Beware of one major fault.  Make sure you rev the engine high enough for

the
> Delco VR to take over.  The pulley size has a large affect on this.  I
> F@#$ed around for 4 days thinking it wasn't working before I found that
all
> was well, just not enough rpm's to strart charging.
> In any case, the Delco is an easy conversion, and provides a better
> the one from AB, also Mr. Churchill (ajr) was a great source of info and
source
> of volts.
> Thanks to ajr, and everyone else.
> Mitch and the Red Dinosaur
> help.  Use of the old VR as a junction block, doesn't look like a Disney
> rendition (ie Mickey Moused), actually looks original.
> Beware of one major fault.  Make sure you rev the engine high enough for

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:03:27 +0800
Subject: Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

Has anyone tried to fit 285/85 16 tyres to their land rovers? This size of
tyres are very cheap in Malaysia (about Singapore $140.00 ) and are
unanimously agreed amongst off road drivers here as the next most effective
mud plugger to the Super Swamper, especially in muddy, equatorial jungles.
The sheer size alone guarantees all the clearance and grip to halve the
winch work necessary on any of our routes!

Anyway, problem is, does anyone know of 8j16 inch rims with the necessary
offsets that will fit series rovers?

In our unbalanced part of the world, where 285/85 16 Silverstone MT117 shod
J**p, Paj**os, Tr**pers and Toy**a Hi Luxs have to pull Land Rovers out of
obstacles regularly, we the Singaporean Land Rover community will have to
look into leaving our beloved 7.5016s at home when we next play in the mud
and fit bigger shoes lest our esteemed chariots be all labeled "Kerbau".

Any words of advice appreciated

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:03:24 +0800
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

It was 36 degrees C in Singapore yesterday, with relative humidity, a
sticky wet 90 percent.

I swopped the sliding window style doors from my Ser III 109 for Defender
110 doors with rool down windows. The doors fit perfectly, but weigh many
times more! Got to change the door clasp mechanism though, but that came
with the new door; which IMHO is stronger and more secure.

Took a drive. It is relatively windier, but not as much as having the
window frame removed, and just as stuffy in a traffic jam.

On hindsight, it is better to retain the series door with the sliding
window frame, but modify some quick release mechanism like those used on
racing bicycle wheels, for the window frame bolts (which should be better
off with regular removal) to aid easy removal and fitting. For added
ventilation, fit a rooftop vent (the kind used by the station wagon
tropical tops) to the bottom leading edge of the doors.

In addition, fit large, high efficiency fans.

good luck

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: most suitable tyres for LWB SIII

Jarvis 64 wrote:
> Peter,
> Think you got it backwards re. tire sizes.  The first number is the sidewall
> height,  (235).  

nope thats the tread width and the second # is the percentage of that
value that equals the sidewall height(basically).

235(width) 75(percent of 235) then rim size...

matt

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From: marks <msullivan@paravant.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:14:19 -0500
Subject: Windshield Glazing Compound

Can anybody recommend a glazing compound to put the front glass into the
frame?

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:15:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Windshield Glazing Compound

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, marks wrote:

 
> Can anybody recommend a glazing compound to put the front glass into the
> frame?

The way Land-Rover did it was with butyl rubber, which works quite well.
People have been known to use other things, like urethane compounds, which
they claim to be less  leak prone.  I used  butyl rubber wehn I replaced a 
windscreen last fall. It is one of the few places that water never comes
through.  
You can get butyl rubber from your favorite parts supplier.  3M makes
several different sorts, the stuff you want is about 12mm by 1mm  thick.  

David

> Can anybody recommend a glazing compound to put the front glass into the
> frame?

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:14:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Why would anyone want roll up windows!!!!

Couldn't agree more.
 The sliding windows are cheap to fix when the channels rust away, and
the door tops and bottoms are cheaper than a Defender door.
I think if original things work then use them, like TeriAnn with the OEM
shocks.
I had a problem with the indicator stalk on the Series III, the
electrical contacts wore out and I couldn't indicate. The cost of a new
one was too much and beyond my means at the time so I visited the local
scrap-yard and found that I could modify the stalks off Austin-Rover
Metros/Maestros fairly easily. A bonus of this mod was that the
emergency flashers worked as well, I didn't have that before. The cost
was less than a fiver and a lot of fun sorting it.

Mick Forster

ps Welcome to Luis

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:37:40 +0100
Subject: RE: Roll up (or down) windows

While we're on the subject of defender doors......in the older doors (with
the sliding windows) was the door top still separate??....I'm about to
replace a door top on my SIII and was impressed by the rigidity of the
one-piece D90 door, but I don't like the up/down windows

cheers

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:42:55 +0100
Subject: Re: frozen chickens and the FAA, no landrover content

Trevor Easton supplied the following off list:

I was at BR APD, Derby  during the APT POP Train/ETrain development. We did
use the RR (also Derby) chicken flicker to test windscreens but also tested
them using rocks.  A more serious problem for engine drivers is cement
blocks dropped from overpasses whereas the chicken flicker is to test aero
engines for containment after bird ingestion, Not too many rocks at 10,000
ft
Regards
Trevor

--------------End of quote

RichM:

This tallies with what I understood, although Trevor supplies the detail
that obviously became the story which I knew.
This bird flinging thing has been around for ages - no doubt invented by
more than one company and more than country.   Why the heck would BR
contact FAA?  It makes no friggin'  sense whatsoever!!!      (besides, its
big-headed of the original US rumour-monger)

What happened was they contacted Rolls Royce - both companies had research
places in the town of Derby.  Rolls were worried about birdstrikes in their
engines.  Maybe its not a problem you see in the US, but flocks of birds
*love* the average UK runway...

As Trevor points out, a block of concrete from a bridge *is* a serious
problem, although thankfully doesn't happen very often.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

ogilvi@hgea.org on 04/07/98 07:00:28 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: frozen chickens and the FAA, no landrover content

The chicken story supposedly stems from testing aircraft for bird strikes.
The US Federal Aviation Agency developed a gun device to launch fowl into
planes at various speeds to simulate real life impact.  The brits borrowed
it to test on some of their aircraft and were amazed at the damage frozen
chicken carcasses caused.  Supposedly instructions to use thawed chicken
was not understood.

>I see the story has since become an urban legend on the Internet. Of
course
>the Internet version is almost warped beyond recognition (what the heck
>have the FAA got to do with it for Gawd's sake?)
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:45:28 +0100
Subject: Re: Parts car and 'how to'

>I subscribe to the lro emial and the uklro email lists. I remember reading
>something about not posting on both. Is that because the lro email gets
>sent to the uklro email lists?
>How do I know if my lro email gets to the uk list?
because some of us subscribe to both lists.  Similar some people subscribe
to the Rangie list and one (or more) of the other lists...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:33:16 +0300 (EETDST)
Subject: Re: Roll up (or down) the spark plugs?

-- 
Welcome Luis!
Hmm...interesting thread. I have to spend Easter weekend dreaming of
Costa Rica :-( Usually the subject is how to keep warm in a Series LR;
even with two heaters, Zenith is never too warm. Do not the front
vents give the best incoming flow of air? I would think that the side
windows are not that critical. Do you have a safari roof with vents?
I also have vents for outflow cut by the PO at the back of the side
walls, covered now for winter. Usual hot weather procedure:
1) Take off door tops
2) Take off roof
3) Fold down windscreen
4) Take off clothes  =8*O
5) Take off wife's/girlfriend's clothes  %?)
6) Head for the Pacific side 
Happy Easter
Wade north of 60
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4   "Zéphyr"aka"Road Muffin"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:44:14 +0300 (EETDST)
Subject: Re: Roll up (or down) the Spark Plugs

-- 
Ah yes, I had a question:
does anybody anymore switch between "summer" & "winter" There "used to
be" different plugs for the season. The NGK's I took out last week at
S at the end.
Mr. Churchill: Cheers!!!
Mr. Sinclair : OOps decal still on desk!!
Wade with clothes on at work still..
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4   "Zéphyr"aka"Road Muffin"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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