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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:50:36 -0500
Subject: 109 SW NADA Questions

Dear all,
I have seen about 40 NADA SW's in my days, and worked on about 25 of them,
and thought I knew most everything about them, as in how they were
different from a standard 109 2.25 or Euro 2.6. However; This weekend I
picked up a 109 NADA SW from its original owner and it is quite odd. I know
it is original because of its one owner status, have the original sales
stuff. The serial number is very low, 34300006a. So I assume it was the 6th
NADA built. Odd things are...
No extra dash panel, to the left of the main panel, for the oil pressure
guage and heated screen switches
Lables for "lights" "wipers" etc are all white with black letters

and a few other things.
Anyone else have an NADA like this one? Seen one?
Thanks for any help or comments.

See ya!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:29:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Transmission Part Availability

Hi all,
	If a LR has a chassis # suffix a, does that mean, provided the
origial transmission were in there, that that suffux is a? If it is an a
transmission, are replacement parts available? I saw in the RN catalogue
that they are NLA. Are there aftermarket parts for this?
	Thanks in advance  -  Peter

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:30:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Transmission Part Availability

Rev. A transmission:

Yes, parts are available. I have a no-revision-letter (read Series II )
gearbox in Mr. Churchill and I can get whatever I need, though it may not
be "original LR" parts (like I care...).

Personally, considering how often parts get swapped about on Rovers, i'd
have a good look at the transmission's serial number and revision letter
before I bought anything for it. I've got Churchill's original Rev. A
transmission sitting on my garage shelf awaiting a rebuild...

          aj"Back from the UK!"r

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:38:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Siezed LR Engine

Hi again,
	I'm new to LRs and automotive mechanics, but what is done for a
siezed LR engine? I can not even turn it a little with a hand crank. There
is oil in the sump, and the radiator was empty. The thing ('63?) has been
sitting for how  knows long. Are there different reasons that can cause
this? Does it rust from moisture in the air?
	When an engine seizes like here, does that mean it needs to be
dissasembled machined etc.?

-----------------------
Peter M. Kaskan
Uris Hall 231
Dept. Of Psychology
Cornell University
607-255-3382
pmk11@cornell.edu
-----------------------

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From: AKBLACKLEY <AKBLACKLEY@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:38:36 EDT
Subject: Daves carb problem

Dave inquired above mysterious fuel evaporization from the Zenith carb when
allowed to sit overnight. My old SIIA did something similar, and also
exhibited a baffling hot start problem that was really a case of flooding. The
two were related and due to a bad carb body "O" ring ( or a warped carb body,
see the Archives for more on this). After one runs the truck for a while and
then shuts down, the heat from the manifold is absorbed by the carb body,
which causes the fuel in the float chamber to expand. This can only go two
places: past the needle valve, if it is defective, or else it leaks out under
the cover. If the needle valve is good, it will seal off the easiest "escape"
route, and as the fuel expands it will pressurize the float chamber. If the
"O" ring is pinched in any way (which is all too easy with the Zenith) in the
vicinity of the float chamber fuel will leak past and down into the intake
manifold. This was the source of my mysterious flooding, and may be the the
cause of Daves disappearing fuel. After I carefully replaced this "O" ring, I
wasnt bothered again by the flooding. I had not replaced the O ring every time
I had the cover off, which occured several times over a few days when the old
float self destructed. I replaced this, and then set, and reset, and double
checked, the float level (trying to chase down the flooding which should have
stopped after replacing the float) for several weeks. Keep a supply of these O
rings handy if you intend to open the carb frequently! Hope this helps.Cheers,
Andy Blackley

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:40:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Siezed LR Engine

The best thing to do with it is disassemble and overhaul it - the rings are
undoubtedly stuck to the cylinder walls and there's not a huge mount of
hope that they'll unstick properly.

An ounce of oil of wintergreen (basically penetrating oil) down each of the
pots with a wait for it to do its work might jhelp, but it's not going to
give you a new-running engine. Might work, might not.

Worth a try, though....

               ajr

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 10:16:20 EST
Subject: Re: Brake Line Fittings

>On the subject of brakes, what would be the Rover #'s for brake line fittings 
>for the 1964 IIa ? For that matter, how 'bout the Series III 1973 ?

Con-
try DAP in VT, they claim to have the line and all the proper fittings for 
people that want to make up they're own lines. RN has em too I'm sure but I 
reckon they'd be a bit more expensive.

Cheers
DaveB

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From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:06:39 -0700
Subject: Brake post sleeve

     A while ago someone posted a tip about placing a sleeve over the 
     adjusting post on the back of the brake shoe. I'd like to get the 
     dimension of the sleeve so I can make one up and try it. 
     
     Could whoever posted it re-post it or mail me directly?
     
     thanks
     tew

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:26:03 -0700
Subject: Re: colors

Thanks for everyone's help on the color issue. After much soul-searching 
and near insanity, we decided on Rust-O-Leum Hard Hat Safety Red. *yikes* 
In other news, Timm reports that the old engine has been removed, the new 
one has been istalled, and he's ready to get it ready and running this 
week. Barring any problems, he's hoping to deliver it this weekend. This 
will also unfortunately cause me to miss my visiting mother-in-law for a 
day as we test it off-road. Damn! <g>

Also, what kind of roll-bar arrangements are people using with soft-tops? 
Thanks,

--Jason

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 09:28:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Siezed LR Engine

I think Dixon is our resident expert in dealing with LR engines siezed 
from sitting too long.

I think you start by deciding what you will be doing with the car and for 
how long.  You may want to opt for long term reliability and just pull 
the engine for a complete rebuild.

If you want to try to coax it into life with the least amount of work, 
try pulling the spark plugs and pouring quantities of penetrating oil 
into each cylinder.  Try to turn the engine every day or so and keep 
replentishing the penetrating oil.

I'm sure Dixon can provide better advice. 

;>	I'm new to LRs and automotive mechanics, but what is done for a
;>siezed LR engine? I can not even turn it a little with a hand crank. 
There
;>is oil in the sump, and the radiator was empty. The thing ('63?) has 
been
;>sitting for how  knows long. Are there different reasons that can cause
;>this? Does it rust from moisture in the air?
;>	When an engine seizes like here, does that mean it needs to be
;>dissasembled machined etc.?

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:49:00 -0400
Subject: "Vintage" Land Rovers(Ethnic Slur included)

Once again the Yanks have it all wrong. By definition a Vintage vehicle is
older than 50 years by a long chalk. To qualify as Vintage the year of
manufacture must be prior to 1929. Or maybe I've misunderstood perhaps what
they are giving away is a "Vintage" Rover bicycle equipped with mountain
bike tyres.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: Leyland "Rover" Turbines

The Leyland Turbine was also used as the prime mover for the Advanced
Passenger Train. Seven Units as Traction and One as APU. The speed record
attempts were often twarted by the inability to keep eight units running at
max power for any length of time.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:06:00 -0400
Subject: Re A Land Rover for a new millenia

Ian Stuart wrote "I think you've been had, look at the date"

But it is still there and an interesting concept for anyone who wants to
drive around in what looks remarkably like a mini sub with wheels.
Is it fully submersible? Is that the exhaust coming through the right hand
wheel box into the bed area? Why is there only one seat with a yellow back?

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:35:26 -0400
Subject: Try this...

Next time you have to replace the hub seal and dstance piece, smear a 
bead of Hylomar under the distance piece before running it home. This 
will keep any oil from seeping behind the part and onto your brakes, 
especially if the stub axle has been ravaged by Goths, with scratches and 
dangs from brutal removal practices.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:47:57 -0400
Subject: Rochester carburettor jet data

OK, folks - here's a question for the true technogeekish among us.

What, if anything, does the Rochester carburettor jet number correspond to?
Is a number 48 jet, for instance, corresponding in opening to a #48 drill?

Reason I ask is that it seems to me that the easiest way to get jets would
be to buy a batch of the smallest available and re-drill...especially as
there isn't a carb shop hereabouts that has any CLUE what replacement jets
are for a Rochester BV or the like.

Damned annoying, indeed.

               ajr

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:00:59 -0700 
Subject: RE: Carb Problem

Sounds like it's time to pull the carb off, sit it in a pan, fill the
float chamber with petrol and wait...

Paul.

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:25:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rochester carburettor jet data

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> OK, folks - here's a question for the true technogeekish among us.

Guilty as charged.
> What, if anything, does the Rochester carburettor jet number correspond to?
> Is a number 48 jet, for instance, corresponding in opening to a #48 drill?

That is what I have been told.  However, it is not outside the realm of
possiblity that this is some idealized jet equivilent.  This would almost
certainly mean the holes are somewhat bigger than the drill that
corresponds.  This is what Weber jet numbers mean, except that they use
sensible numbers and not drill bit sizes.  As for getting jets, have you
tried you neighborhood Chevrolet dealer?  They won't actually have them,
but GM is pretty good about having parts for ancient cars, and your dealer
may be able to order them.  

David/mr sinclair.

 

> Reason I ask is that it seems to me that the easiest way to get jets would
> be to buy a batch of the smallest available and re-drill...especially as
> there isn't a carb shop hereabouts that has any CLUE what replacement jets
> are for a Rochester BV or the like.
> Damned annoying, indeed.
>                ajr

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Damned annoying, indeed.
>                ajr

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 06 Apr 98 11:58:09 MST
Subject: New series III

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Gerry, congrat's on your new "family member!" I'm anxious to hear all about
it! I'm down to two, not much activity recently, little time, having just
moved into a new home - lot's of other things to do...

The Range Rover has the engine in, new starter, but still having problems.

The 109 was sold to a guy in Michigan. (For sale by him, last I heard.)

The 88 is in my garage, (won't pass emissions - possible bad valve or valve
spring.) But I did find 10 minutes to install the hood (bonnet) prop that I
bought about a year ago! I run it in the garage (door open!) for a good half
hour about once a month... just because.

Well, that's the short story, please let me know how your trip went!

Dave Brown

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take away.   |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
                        -anonymous    | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                                      "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:03:57 -0400
Subject: RE: Rochester carburettor jet data

Rochester jets are readily available from BritPac, (among other
sources), for @ 4 bucks ea..  

Just be sure to only order the smallest ones they got, so you can drill
them out......yeah, right.

Or send dem small ones to: aj 'rottenjetreamer' r, to make 'em bigger.
;-0
Of course, he'll know just how big you'll need....just tell him how high
you are....

...in feet that is :-)

(BTW, I've got some sub 51 jets I'll let go real cheap....for youse guys
even higher than me!)

John 'happily rottenchestering along w/ a #51 jet" Tackley
"Way High", in Richmond, VA
'70 IIA & '74 III
(been away for awhile)

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From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:38:46 -0400
Subject: re: The Journey of Tigger (No rover content now though)

>How far down the food chain is Jackpot?  Juice Newton was playing one of the
>hotels.  Name one Juice Newton hit!

"Queen of Hearts"

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	I believe in heavy thinking, I believe in heavy sound,
	I believe in heavy images, To hold it all down.
				--Chris Smither, Happier Blue

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:15:15 -0700
Subject: NEW Dormobile roof racks!!!

About 26 years after the last Land Rover Dormobile was built, a new 
commercial Land Rover Dormobile accessory has become available.... A 
heavy duty roof rack.

A small, light duty roof rack was an option available directly through 
Martin Walters at the time the Dormobile was purchased.  This rack was 
light duty thin walled tubing that was only about as long as the top of 
the front door.  It didn't hold much.  If you put much weight on this 
rack you ran the risk of cracking the windscreen on rough surfaces.

Brownchurch made a larger light duty roof rack.  This rack was also made 
out of the light duty thin wall tubing.  It stuck out over the windscreen 
with front attachments to the bottom of the windscreen.  This provided 
around twice the roof storage space and kept stress off the windscreen.  
But the thin wall tubing flexes easily and there was minimal diagonal 
bracing.  It was not unusual for the front legs of the rack to bend to 
the side when the car was at a side angle and was jarred.  This destroyed 
the legs and warped the rack.

It is my understanding that the last Brownchurch Dormobile roof rack was 
built around the early 70's and that they have since lost their original 
build drawings.

Both racks were good for bulky very low weight items.  Dormobiles are 
excellent short range expedition Land Rovers that make camping a joy.  
They just do not have storage space for long trips.  The optional small 
rack and the larger light duty after market racks are the only 
commercially built roof racks I know of until now and they have become 
hard to come by.  Neither of these racks are suitable for carrying full 
gerry cans of fuel or water or anything heavy.

I have worked with British Pacific to design a new heavy duty Dormobile 
roof rack.  As of Friday evening, April third, the prototype Dormobile 
roof rack is mounted on The Green Rover.

 The inside rail load space is slightly over 40 inches by 57 inches.  it 
is made from 3/4 inch rectangular tubing, so you can hook bungie straps 
at anyplace.  

The rack as six mounting points.  Two at the rear, two at the middle and 
two on the front at the base of the windscreen.  Properly mounted, the 
weight rests primarily on the front and rear legs with the center to take 
up extra weight and torsional forces.  The rear and center legs are 
diagonally braced in two directions for torsional strength.

Since any roof rack adds wind resistance it was important to me that it 
be easily removable.  The rear and middle legs are attached with gutter 
clamps (No holes in the body).  The front mount features a quick release. 
 The base mount stays attached to your windscreen's bottom bolts.  You 
just pull a pin from the base of each leg to separate the front legs from 
the car.  This eliminates half the work to mounting and unmounting the 
rack.  Of course it looks nice enough that you might want to keep it on 
all the time.

Did I mentioned that it allows a snorkel to be mounted under it and 
alongside the front leg?

Pictures will be available soon through both British Pacific's and my web 
sites.  Contact British Pacific (BRITPAC@aol) for prices and delivery.

Land Rover Dormobiles have needed a heavy duty expedition quality roof 
rack since they first started being built.  Now, around a quarter century 
after the last one was built this part becomes commercially available.

My rack will soon be loaded for field testing on the 50th anniversary 
Trans American Border to Border trek.  I'll let you know how it works out 
:*)

Take care,

  

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:19:49 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Dormobile Racks from BP

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date:        04/06  12:29 PM
From:        engineering, mcdpw@pacific.net
CC:          Granville Pool, gpool@pacific.net

Hi, all,

I checked the BritPac Internet special of the day for today and it's an 
announcement of the availability of a custom roof rack for a 
Land-Rover Dormobile.  This is a very nice-looking rack that overhangs 
the windscreen and has struts that reach down to the windscreen hinges. 
 
The following text will be found on the specials page:
item: Dormobile Roof Rack
Now, here's something you won't find anywhere else! A rack designed 
specifically for Dormobile conversions on Series trucks. Due to their 
pop-up fiberglass top, there is limited room for a traditional rack. 
This design has all our usual rack features, like flush ground welds and 
wider bottom rail for deck attachment. The novel feature is the front 
mounts, which attach to the windshield hinge bolt. This allows a longer 
rack than could be accomodated with gutter mounts alone, and makes for a 
nice, stout system.  The rack is just tall enough to protect the tallest 
bits of the rare and valuable fiberglass top, providing extra protection 
if nothing else!  Due to the admittedly limited demand of such an item, 
these will be special order only, and allow 2-3 weeks for completion. As 
with our other racks, mounts and light tabs may be added at customer 
request and at extra cost.
$399.00
Cheers,

Granny

----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:30:07 -0400
Subject: GT

David Lee writes.

The Rover gas turbine may still live on in the UK in the field of military
aviation. The Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft based on the old Comet, uses
an Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) termed the Mk 10501. Engineering folklore here
at Kinloss says that this is the Rover engine. Anyone know for sure?

 Yes this is a Rover design, a twin shaft  150 hp APU, now manufactured by
Lucas Aerospace. I have a spec sheet somwhere in my archives.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:29:59 -0400
Subject: LRNA Dealer Bashes

Speaking of the dealer parties, FINSUP, Herb Zipkin's IRF Expedition Rover,
(hopefully)  Eric Zipkin's Tin Tin (SERIESIV), and a few  other "local"
heritage rigs, will be on display at the Darien Land Rover party, near my
place in Connecticut. The shindig is Thursday, April 30 from 6 til 8:30 PM.

Tom Smith, a non-net owner of both a Series and a Disco, sent them my way.
Michael, the dealership guy who is putting the party together, called and
issued the invite. He seems like a cool guy and is  really psyched about
the event--and to include the older rides. No fee, but free food, and the
dealership is making a contribution to the World Wildlife Fund. (And I
guess I'll get a chance to apply to win another rig...) Did any other
Series owners receive similar invites/requests from their local dealership?

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to the opportunity to meet some like minded
coil-springers from the area. Jeff Meyer may come down to check things out
too. I assume you don't need an invitation to get in--just say you came by
to look for a new 'car." ;-) So, if you're in the area that evening...

RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	You say you're gonna to get your act together
	Gonna take it out on the road
	         --John Hiatt, Memphis in the Meantime

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:36:38 -0400
Subject: Voltage regulator

Brian Cramer asks for advice re voltage regulators.
 There is no such version as a military regulator,  there are two basic
types manufactured by Lucas, a two solenod version whose numbert I cannot
remember and the three soleniod version RB 340 ( earlier vehicles have a RB310 )
 Just look at a wiring diagram to check the connections, they can be
switched. WL stands for warning light, B for battery, F for field and D for
Dynamo on the 340 types
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:50:09 -0400
Subject: Leaky Zeniths

Bill ( Limey in exile ) Leacock wrote:

> The Zenith has a very common leak problem. The top and bottom parts of the
>carb are separated by an O ring. The O ring expands under the influence of
>petrol

or rather petrol additives.  I used to go 5 or six years between carb
rebuilds, but now with MTBE and other oxygenated fuel additives, it's a
yearly thing. :-(  I'm almost to the point where I can do it blindfolded -
like field-stripping an M-1 Garrand.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "John S. Bradke" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:15:16 -0400
Subject: Re: LRNA Dealer Bashes

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:
> Speaking of the dealer parties, FINSUP, Herb Zipkin's IRF Expedition Rover,
> (hopefully)  Eric Zipkin's Tin Tin (SERIESIV), and a few  other "local"
> heritage rigs, will be on display at the Darien Land Rover party, near my
> place in Connecticut. The shindig is Thursday, April 30 from 6 til 8:30 PM.
> Tom Smith, a non-net owner of both a Series and a Disco, sent them my way.
> Michael, the dealership guy who is putting the party together, called and
> issued the invite. He seems like a cool guy and is  really psyched about
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Series owners receive similar invites/requests from their local dealership?
>Yep..I got the same thing from Metro West a few days ago..
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: re: The Journey of Tigger (No rover content now though)

>>How far down the food chain is Jackpot?  Juice Newton was playing one of the
>>hotels.  Name one Juice Newton hit!
>"Queen of Hearts"
>jab

Jeff, I thought you only listened to crappy 70's rock..Jimmy Buffett etc...
It's nice to see that you also are a connoisseur of crappy 80's rock as
well.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:29:43 -0700
Subject: Re: IIa Charging System Help Needed

Brian,

It sounds like you are headed in the right direction, take a look at the VR.
If that doen't help, try and test the bettery. It could be as simple as a
soft cell !!!

My recomendation would be to consider upgrading to an AC Delco alt. and a
heavy duty (Ford/Chevy) sylenoid. I've done this on my SIII and used two
Optima batteries with great success.

Yours'
John

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:04:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Transmission Part Availability

Peter M. Kaskan wrote:

>         If a LR has a chassis # suffix a, does that mean, provided the
> origial transmission were in there, that that suffux is a?

Not necessarially. Engine and transmission suffix letters didn't always
change at the the same time as the chassis suffix. Check the suffix
letter on the transmission itself. It's on the right side of the
transmission cover below the square inspection plate.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:44:58 -1000
Subject: Re: Siezed LR Engine

Peter,  Take the plugs out and fill the piston cylinders with Marvel Mystery
oil and let it soak.  After a day or two put the hand crank on her and see
if you can turn it.  If not pour more Marvel in and let it soak.  After some
soaking, if it's going to break loose it will.  Not saying it will work, but
it is worth a try.  Use some force but don't beat her up trying to get it to
turn.  Marvel is truly a Mystery.  This method has been used to break free
lots of frozen engines over the years.  Nothen to lose, Eh!

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:12:23 EDT
Subject: Re: The Journey of Tigger (No rover content now though)

In a message dated 98-04-06 18:53:23 EDT, Russ writes:

<< >>How far down the food chain is Jackpot?  Juice Newton was playing one of
the
 >>hotels.  Name one Juice Newton hit!
 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
 >"Queen of Hearts"
 >jab
 
 Jeff, I thought you only listened to crappy 70's rock..Jimmy Buffett etc...
 It's nice to see that you also are a connoisseur of crappy 80's rock as
 well.
  >>

Hey, Russ,

I'm sure you know that crap is ageless.

Nate

------------------------------

From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:10:50 -0400
Subject: Re: "Vintage" Land Rovers(Ethnic Slur included)

Damn, I checked my Dictionary and read stuff about grapes, old cars
(they referenced a 1942 auto as vintage , the dictionary is a 1981 version),
and old and outmoded. Nothing referenced 50 years....
Of course it was an American Heritage. I guess I should of looked
in the old Canadian heresy version....
Though landrover now being German, vintage could mean "out of warrenty"

Russ

At 12:49 PM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Once again the Yanks have it all wrong. By definition a Vintage vehicle is
>older than 50 years by a long chalk. To qualify as Vintage the year of
>manufacture must be prior to 1929. Or maybe I've misunderstood perhaps what
>they are giving away is a "Vintage" Rover bicycle equipped with mountain
>bike tyres.

------------------------------

From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:12:21 -0500
Subject: The Queen & Her Land-Rovers

For those interested, PBS aired a mini-series a few years back entitled
"The Windsors."  During the section documenting Elizabeth II, she is shown
driving about one of the royal estates with the young heirs (Charles &
Andrew, if memory serves me) in a Series II 109" Station Wagon.  Yes, Her
Majesty herself, double-clutching in all its glory.  It's neat footage and
worth a watch.

Also, I saw some other program (can't remember what it was) concerning the
deterioration of Andrew and Fergie's marriage and it had footage of the
Queen driving a 110 Station Wagon en route to the Duke's estate.

Mind you, she was driving, not being chauffered.  Hope this is of interest
to others on the list.

Brian

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From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:23:57 -0400
Subject: re: The Journey of Tigger (No rover content now though)

I think I still have that tape....
russ

At 03:38 PM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>How far down the food chain is Jackpot?  Juice Newton was playing one of the
>>hotels.  Name one Juice Newton hit!
>"Queen of Hearts"
>jab

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
>	I believe in heavy images, To hold it all down.
>				--Chris Smither, Happier Blue

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:42:51 -0700
Subject: Re: BMW and Britain

From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:18:13 -0400
Subject: Re: BMW and Britain

C. Marin Faure wrote:

>> It was equipped with an all-aluminum,
> 3.2 litre V-8.  This engine became the basis for the all-aluminum V-8
> that was manufactured by General Motors in the 1960s for use in the Buick
> Skylark.  I have read that GM bought the engine design outright from BMW,
> and I've read that GM simply copied the BMW engine design:

>The Buick 215 cubic inch (3.5 litre) aluminum V8, first used in 1961,
was designed at GM Engineering Staff. The designers were probably
sitting within a few fit of my current desk....  The engineers and
designers at E-Staff may have looked at a BMW V8 while designing the 215,
just as they would have looked at a variety of
engines. I've asked several folks who worked at E-Staff shortly after the
215 was designed, and they don't have any knowledge of the BMW V8 being
used as the basis.
An example of confusion based on assumptions about engines. In the '60s
both Chevy and AMC built 327 V8s. But there was nothing common between them.

There may in fact be no relationship whatsoever between the GM aluminum V-8
and the earlier aluminum V-8 used in the BMW 507.  But in addition to
reading that the GM engine was based on or copied from the BMW engine in
many automotive articles over the last 20 years about the Range Rover, I've
also been told the same thing by a friend who was a longtime factory
manager in Solihull a few years ago.  Doesn't mean it's right, but there
seems to be a fair number of people in the business who believe the GM
engine is closely related to the BMW engine in the 507.  Not ever having
seen a 507 engine, however, I can't attest to any physical similarities
from personal observation.  The brother in law of one of my co-workers owns
two 507s, including one previously owned by Elvis Presley, but
unfortunately the cars are in Arizona, not up here in Washington.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

------------------------------

From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:53:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Zenith

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:30:49 -0400
Subject: Zenith

>Dave :
>The Zenith has a very common leak problem. The top and bottom parts of the
carb are separated by an O ring. The O ring expands under the influence of
petrol, after time, particularly if the vehicle is not run then the O ring
dries out and does not seal properly. The O ring  is lower than the float
level, thus when the float is full fuel can flow directly into the choke and
create variuos erratic or rich running conditions.

While the O-ring can cause problems, the far more common cause of Zeniths
bogging down under too much fuel is the warping of the top and bottom
halves of the carburetor.  This is caused, I believe, by improper heat
treating of the parts during manufacture, plus the fact that there is no
bolt holding the two halves together at the rear of the carburetor.  There
are only the four corner bolts.  There is no cure for the warping other
than to grind the two halves of the carburetor flat again using a glass
plate and the appropriate grit paper.  I experienced this problem on my
original carburetor, and I, too, assumed it was the O-ring.  I must have
put three or four rebuild kits into that thing before someone who
understood Zeniths told me about the warping problem.  I took it apart
again and checked it on a glass plate, and sure enough the top rocked back
and forth quite a bit.

After running a Rochester for awhile I went back to a Zenith (not the one
that came with the car however), and so far have had no problems.  It has
not been apart in 10 years, so the O-ring does not seem to be reacting to
gasoline.  I did, however, have a fitting made up for me that puts clamping
pressure between the top and bottom halves at the back, where the designers
should have put a fifth bolt if they'd been thinking straight.  Maybe this
is one reason I've had good luck with the current Zenith.  Or maybe I got
one that didn't have the heat-treating problem...

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

------------------------------

From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:15:03 EDT
Subject: OSTRACIZED

THE OUTCAST    THE PARIAH    WHISPERED MUTTERINGS IN BACK ROOMS ABOUT "THAT
'ALL CAPS' GUY"

no longer !!!!  HA HA HA HA! I used my proven rover maintenance
technique--wait two weeks and see if it's still broken and once again . .
.VINDICATION!!!  I'd better stop doing that or it'll get stuck again, eh?

so now in celebration im going to do a little e e cummings impersonation

 now that i can rejoin society will someone please answer my question about
ome vs oem shocks--worth it?

someone with leaf springs     

please

bill rice
64 SIIA
no longer in need of computer repair or charity

------------------------------

From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Rochester carburettor jet data

Hi All,
 I a past life I help a "HOTRODER" racer friend rejet his race carb. 
Because jets were more rare then the rochester jets we silver soldered
them closed & redrilled them with the number drill of the size we
wanted.  
 FYI I am running a 45 jet at about sea level (Chicago) with a 7 to 1
compression.

Regards,
 Rob Davis_chicago

------------------------------

From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:15:39 -0400
Subject: Re: IIa Charging System Help Needed

John, 

Thanks for the advice. I'm resisting the temptation to pop an alternator in
and call it a day. I'd like to keep the truck as close to original as
possible.

Brian

At 06:29 PM 4/4/98 , you wrote:

------------------------------

From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:15:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Voltage regulator

Bill, 

You're right on the VR. It's a Lucas RB340. I'll transplant the other VR I
have this weekend, and see what happens.

Thanks,
Brian

At 04:36 PM 4/6/98 , you wrote:
>Brian Cramer asks for advice re voltage regulators.
> There is no such version as a military regulator,  there are two basic
>types manufactured by Lucas, a two solenod version whose numbert I cannot
>remember and the three soleniod version RB 340 ( earlier vehicles have a

RB310 )
> Just look at a wiring diagram to check the connections, they can be
>switched. WL stands for warning light, B for battery, F for field and D for
>Dynamo on the 340 types
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:44:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: delco alternators

My alternator wiring having failed this afternoon, I need to do something
about it.  This seems to be the time to go to a Delco alternator, which i
have been meaning to do for some time.  My question is which one?
Obviously, it is some big 70s thing, but does anyone know a part number or
at least the complete application?  

David

------------------------------

From: William Dan Terry <wterry@netpubsintl.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:00:03 -0600
Subject: FOR SALE: 1965 IIA 109 Mil HT petrol

Fort Collins, CO, USA

Circumstances force sale of La Rana (the frog - green with frog eyes).
Over $12k spent on it not including original $5k purchase. A lot of
excellent, new mechanics (full receipts), needs cosmetics and rear
xmember someday. Capstan winch is missing a couple of connecting pieces.
Full mil. oil cooler, fuel tanks, and lighting. Left Land-Rover in March
1965 for the Central Vehicle Depot at Ashchurch, Gloucestershire for
distribution to the Armed Forces.

$13k/obo.

Please, direct serious inquiries to wterry@netpubsintl.com.

Happy Land-Rovering, William

_______W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y_______
  How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things?
  (David Brin)

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From: b.boehlers@olsy.dk (Bent Boehlers)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:29:56 +0200
Subject: RE: "Vintage" Land Rovers(Ethnic Slur included)

Russ Burns[SMTP:burns@ismi.net] wrote:

Damn, I checked my Dictionary and read stuff about grapes, old cars
(they referenced a 1942 auto as vintage , the dictionary is a 1981 version),
and old and outmoded. Nothing referenced 50 years....
Of course it was an American Heritage. I guess I should of looked
in the old Canadian heresy version....
Though landrover now being German, vintage could mean "out of warrenty"

COLLINS English Dictionary 1984 :
vet+er+an car n. Brit. a car constructed before 1919, esp. one constructed 
before 1905. Compare vintage car.

<zip>

vin+tage ...............4. a time of origin: a car of Edwardian vintage......

vin+tage car n. Chiefly Brit. an old car, esp. one constructed between 1919 and 
1930. Compare veteran car.

Conclusion: Land-Rovers can only be old.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

2 old cars.
110" 1983 V8
86" 1955 2l

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:36:40 +0100
Subject: Bouncing mail

Sorry I bothered all of you with the bouncing mail.
I got into trouble changing computer, and operating system, the 
firewall thing came to the conclusion I was no longer... and bounced 
all outside messages.

 
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:14:04 +0100
Subject: Re: Leyland "Rover" Turbines

I know a story about one of the prototypes (only 3 carriages I believe)
being wrecked by a frozen chicken shot out of a Rolls Royce (maybe BAe -
but do they have a place at Derby?) -owned gun,  up at Derby....

I see the story has since become an urban legend on the Internet. Of course
the Internet version is almost warped beyond recognition (what the heck
have the FAA got to do with it for Gawd's sake?)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca on 04/06/98 05:59:00 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Leyland "Rover" Turbines

The Leyland Turbine was also used as the prime mover for the Advanced
Passenger Train. Seven Units as Traction and One as APU. The speed record
attempts were often twarted by the inability to keep eight units running at
max power for any length of time.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:23:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Zenith

Zenith leaks:   Everyone says about the O-ring and warping.
My Zenith developed a problem within 6 months from new - the diaphraghm (or
more likely, the gaskets around the diaphragm) leaked...
Something to check for guys.  Going by all the emails it isn't the most
likely - but be aware of the problem!

Symptoms: Running very rich (mixture screw = no affect);  black smoke (but
passed the MoT);
dodgy vacuum.

Having a whole repair kit handy, meant I changed the O-ring too!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

faurecm@halcyon.com on 04/07/98 02:53:40 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Zenith

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:30:49 -0400
Subject: Zenith
>Dave :
>The Zenith has a very common leak problem. The top and bottom parts of the
carb are separated by an O ring. The O ring expands under the influence of
petrol, after time, particularly if the vehicle is not run then the O ring
dries out and does not seal properly. The O ring  is lower than the float
level, thus when the float is full fuel can flow directly into the choke
and
create variuos erratic or rich running conditions.
While the O-ring can cause problems, the far more common cause of Zeniths
bogging down under too much fuel is the warping of the top and bottom
halves of the carburetor.  This is caused, I believe, by improper heat
treating of the parts during manufacture, plus the fact that there is no
bolt holding the two halves together at the rear of the carburetor.  There
are only the four corner bolts.  There is no cure for the warping other
than to grind the two halves of the carburetor flat again using a glass
plate and the appropriate grit paper.  I experienced this problem on my
original carburetor, and I, too, assumed it was the O-ring.  I must have
put three or four rebuild kits into that thing before someone who
understood Zeniths told me about the warping problem.  I took it apart
again and checked it on a glass plate, and sure enough the top rocked back
and forth quite a bit.
After running a Rochester for awhile I went back to a Zenith (not the one
that came with the car however), and so far have had no problems.  It has
not been apart in 10 years, so the O-ring does not seem to be reacting to
gasoline.  I did, however, have a fitting made up for me that puts clamping
pressure between the top and bottom halves at the back, where the designers
should have put a fifth bolt if they'd been thinking straight.  Maybe this
is one reason I've had good luck with the current Zenith.  Or maybe I got
one that didn't have the heat-treating problem...

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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