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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:30:58 +0200
Subject: Re: How do I seal up my diesel tank?

The approved method is a cork gasket, which, in my experience, lasts for
many years, and is available as a standard spare.

Adrian Redmond

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From: "David Lee" <djflee@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:44:45 +0100
Subject: Re: BMW and interesting observations

The Rover gas turbine may still live on in the UK in the field of military
aviation. The Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft based on the old Comet, uses
an Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) termed the Mk 10501. Engineering folklore here
at Kinloss says that this is the Rover engine. Anyone know for sure?

Dave Lee
Tearie, Scotland
'76 SIII 109 Safari

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:03:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Military Tyres

Hank asked. 
<Could someone out in Rover land share with me your experiences and advice in
<running military style high traction tires? Are they noisy on pavement? Do
<they lack wet traction? Are they the best thing since sliced bread? I await
<your comments.
                   
It depends on which "military style" tyres you mean. I run Mitchalin XCL 7.50
X 16 the same as the British military used on all the pre Wolf Defenders. and
the same as Camel Tropy 110s and Discovery's wore for several years. I do not
find them intrusively noisy, wet tarmac traction is not as good as a pure road
tyre but is plenty good enough for my driving. I stick with them because they
seem to offer the best off-road performance with reasonable on road manners.
They also last a lot longer than "sliced bread" :-)

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: Cas Stimson <cstimson@gte.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:31:19 +0000
Subject: Re: OME VS OEM

Jarvis 64 wrote:

> DOING A LOT OF SUSPENSION STUFF TO MY 109 LATELY--DEFINITELY NEW SHOCK TIME--I
> CAN GET OEM SHOCKS FOR $130 (THATS WITH ONE TON SHOCKS AT THE BACK) OR I CAN
> GET OME SHOCKS FOR ABOUT $200.  WILL I BE ABLE TO TELL A DIFFERENCE--WILL THE
> OME ONES LAST LONGER?  OR IS PUTTING EXPENSIVE SHOCKS ON SOMETHING WITH
> SPRINGS THAT STIFF LIKE "GOLD PLATING A TURD" AS A FRIEND OF MINE SO QUAINTLY
> PUT IT?
> BILL RICE
> WATERTOWN NY

I replaced OEM with Biltstine shocks on sale for $50 each.  I noticed that the
each Land Rover with the new shocks had a MUCH better ride. I can only assume
that the same will be true with OME.  I have yet to wear the new shocks out and
it has been over two years.

Good Luck,

Cas Stimson
D-110; D-90; RR
Santa Barbara

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Invite to DELRC May event...

For anyone else that might like to come up and see us, the DELRC is having
it's spring event May23-24.  If you'd like to come, please see the
information on our club website, e-mail me direct, or call 207-947-2114.

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA
88" "SWAMBO",  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller"

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 10:46:50 -0700
Subject: LR Gives Away "Vintage"  LR

Some interesting news arrived in the mail the other day from the
dealer where I purchased my D90.  I've confirmed it from my sources
at work too (another LR dealer).

As part of their 50th anniversary "celebration"  LRNA will be giving
away a "Vintage" Land Rover, apparently from a drawing of celebration
attendees.  The celebrations being held at the dealerships by
invitation.
This is apparently  accompanied by drawings for attending "The Colorado
Event"

I wonder who rebuilt this "Vintage" model for them?  .... or maybe
it hasn't been rebuilt :)... imagine that.. someone winning an old,
barely running
88... wouldn't that be a laugh.

Interesting to see yet another retroactive term applied to older models.

Now I'm getting confused.   Do I refer to Mathilda (109SW) as a Series,
Heritage, or Vintage model?  :)  Or does the Vintage apply to Winston
(S1) and
Heritage to the Series.  Or are the Series, early Defenders or is this
limited only
to the SIII or possibly the Stage 1s?  Does LRNA even know what a Stage
1 is?
Will the currenty Discoverys become Classics once the new Disco appears
this
fall and will the original Range Rover become something else.  Would
they possibly
call the original Discoverys the Heirloom models??

So, anyway yes I'll be attending the dealer's celebration, if only to
get a "inside" laugh,  although I may drive the 109 rather than the 90
:)
Besides I may need another "Vintage" model :)

cheers

Jeremy

cheers

Jeremy

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 10:16:48 -0800
Subject: Re:  Re: Eh ? What is this military bumper ?

;> MY BUMPER IS A LITTLE BENT FROM THAT TREE . . .
;>
;>BILL RICE

By any chance is your Land Rover named George of the jungle??

Take care & hope you save up enough $$ for a new keyboard soon ;*)

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:05:59 -0700
Subject: BMW and Britain

The relationship of BMW to UK automotive manufacturers goes back a lot
longer than the current spate of buy-outs.  In the 1950s, BMW came out with
a lovely sports car called the 507.  It was equipped with an all-aluminum,
3.2 litre V-8.  This engine became the basis for the all-aluminum V-8 that
was manufactured by General Motors in the 1960s for use in the Buick
Skylark.  I have read that GM bought the engine design outright from BMW,
and I've read that GM simply copied the BMW engine design: I don't know
which is correct.  Then, as we all know, in the later 1960s when Rover went
looking for a more powerful engine to use in car and 4wd applications, it
purchased the manufacturing rights and tooling for the aluminum V-8 from
GM.  So with the purchase of controlling interest in The Rover Group, BMW
has bought their engine back.

But as proof that there's really nothing new under the sun, the design of
the aluminum V-8 that BMW developed for the 507 was actually based on an
earlier American V-8, although it may not have been an aluminum engine.
I've been told which engine it was, but unfortunately I can't remember.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:43:41 -0400
Subject: IIa Charging System Help Needed

Hello All,

I'm having trouble diagnosing a charging problem on my IIa Lightweight. The
truck is 12V, negative earth, with the original generator/voltage
regulator. The charge lamp is on almost constantly. It goes out at tick
over, but comes on at anything over 1000 rpm. I've replacement the
generator with no success. I've checked the wiring, and all seems well.
Next is the voltage regulator. I've checked all the contacts with no luck.
I have another VR that I could substitute for testing purposes, but it's a
civilian version. Can someone translate the military contacts to the
civilian contacts (illustrated below), or give some advice toward solving
this problem.	

							Military		
									Civilian

					E	D	W L	F	B	
							A1	A	F	
D	E									

Please excuse the cross post to the US and UK lists, as I'd like input from
both sides of the pond.

TIA!!!

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)665-4451 office fax
(609)273-9708 home
(609)458-6671 cellular
ICQ #5696173
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'70 IIa Lightweight
'89 Range Rover (For Sale: $10,495 OBO)

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:18:13 -0400
Subject: Re: BMW and Britain

C. Marin Faure wrote:

> It was equipped with an all-aluminum,
> 3.2 litre V-8.  This engine became the basis for the all-aluminum V-8
> that
> was manufactured by General Motors in the 1960s for use in the Buick
> Skylark.  I have read that GM bought the engine design outright from
> BMW,
> and I've read that GM simply copied the BMW engine design:

The Buick 215 cubic inch (3.5 litre) aluminum V8, first used in 1961,
was designed at GM Engineering Staff. The designers were probably
sitting within a few fit of my current desk. The E-Staff design was used
by Buick from '61 through '63. Rover bought rights to this design. An
iron V6 derivative was introduced by Buick in '62; thid is the direct
ancestor of today's GM 3800 V6. An iron V8 derivative was introduced by
Buick in '64, and was used in various versions until the eighties.

Oldsmobile modified the E-Staff design with the addition of another head
bolt. This engine was the basis for the Repco F1 V8 in '66.

The engineers and designers at E-Staff may have looked at a BMW V8 while
designing the 215, just as they would have looked at a variety of
engines. I've asked several folks who worked at E-Staff shortly after
the 215 was designed, and they don't have any knowledge of the BMW V8
being used as the basis.

An example of confusion based on assumptions about engines. In the '60s
both Chevy and AMC built 327 V8s. But there was nothing common between
them.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:18:43 -0400
Subject: Re: BMW and Britain

C. Marin Faure wrote:

> It was equipped with an all-aluminum,
> 3.2 litre V-8.  This engine became the basis for the all-aluminum V-8
> that
> was manufactured by General Motors in the 1960s for use in the Buick
> Skylark.  I have read that GM bought the engine design outright from
> BMW,
> and I've read that GM simply copied the BMW engine design:

The Buick 215 cubic inch (3.5 litre) aluminum V8, first used in 1961,
was designed at GM Engineering Staff. The designers were probably
sitting within a few fit of my current desk. The E-Staff design was used
by Buick from '61 through '63. Rover bought rights to this design. An
iron V6 derivative was introduced by Buick in '62; thid is the direct
ancestor of today's GM 3800 V6. An iron V8 derivative was introduced by
Buick in '64, and was used in various versions until the eighties.

Oldsmobile modified the E-Staff design with the addition of another head
bolt. This engine was the basis for the Repco F1 V8 in '66.

The engineers and designers at E-Staff may have looked at a BMW V8 while
designing the 215, just as they would have looked at a variety of
engines. I've asked several folks who worked at E-Staff shortly after
the 215 was designed, and they don't have any knowledge of the BMW V8
being used as the basis.

An example of confusion based on assumptions about engines. In the '60s
both Chevy and AMC built 327 V8s. But there was nothing common between
them.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:30:49 -0500
Subject: by appointment

In Iceland (not adjacent to anything you would recognize as a road) we
found a British Manure Spreader with the Royal Warrant proudly emblazoned
on its side.

There it was, manure spreader by appointment to HM the German lady with the
funny little dogs who is married to the Greek sailor with a Danish
passport.

    _____
___(_____)               What is the difference between
|Baby the\               Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?
|1969 Land\_===__
|  ___Rover   ___|o      One is a flaming Nazi gas bag
|_/ . \______/ . ||      and the other was a zeppelin.
___\_/________\_/________________________________________________
Ned Heite Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:22:28 +0200
Subject: Re: by appointment

I thought that "The Sun" and "The Mirror" were the only muck-spreaders
which had achieved royal appointment.

Adrian Redmond

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:26:17 -0400
Subject: GT

David Cockey writes
Rover sold a gas turbine mounted on a bench with various flow meters and
other instrumentation for instructional use in universities, etc. U of
Delaware still had one in the 70s, and I remember some students getting
it to run.

 Not quite right Dave, the Gas Turbine set was sold by a company called
Gilbert Gilkes and Gordon, of Kendal, Cumbria. The gas turbine was of Rover
Design, manufactured by Alvis ( in those days part of British Leyland ) and
around the early seventies the gas turbine business was bought by Rotax
Aircraft Equipment Ltd, a subsidiary of Joseph Lucas. Later the company was
renamed Lucas Aerospace.
 The gas turbines were used on the Hovercraft on the Channel for Auxiliary
power, also as APU's on variuos aircaft and as the basis of the starter
motor for the Pegasus engine in the Harrier aircraft. How do I know ? , I
worked for Joe in the seventies in the Auxiliary power systems unit.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:30:49 -0400
Subject: Zenith

Dave :
  The Zenith has a very common leak problem. The top and bottom parts of the
carb are separated by an O ring. The O ring expands under the influence of
petrol, after time, particularly if the vehicle is not run then the O ring
dries out and does not seal properly. The O ring  is lower than the float
level, thus when the float is full fuel can flow directly into the choke and
create variuos erratic or rich running conditions.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:48:38 -0400
Subject: Re: GT

William L. Leacock wrote:

>  Not quite right Dave, the Gas Turbine set was sold by a company
> called
> Gilbert Gilkes and Gordon, of Kendal, Cumbria. The gas turbine was of
> Rover
> Design, manufactured by Alvis ( in those days part of British Leyland

It had a Rover badge, or at least the "Rover" something on the id plate.
It supposedly dated from the early sixties.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:26:51 EDT
Subject: The Journey of Tigger.... kind of longish

>From Spokane to Phoenix:  The Journey of Tigger

I flew up to Spokane  Thursday night to pick up Tigger from Dale Avery.
Tigger is a 1973 soft top which Dale has put a lot of time and energy into
making it a fine vehicle.   Dale decided (along with his lovely wife) that an
older Range Rover was what they needed to continue to off-road together.  At
least that’s Dale’s story!

Dale met me at the airport and we proceeded to a local restaurant for a late
meal.  I hadn’t seen John since we off-roaded in the Glen Canyon Utah area
last Memorial Day.  He brought his pictures and we swapped stories about the
trip.

Then, we went to Dale’s house.  I drove Tigger from the restaurant to Dale’s
house.  Once we got to Dale’s house, I was introduced to Dale’s wife.  Then we
went to the garage to load up Tigger with all of his spares that won’t fit a
Range Rover…. which was just about everything he had!

Finally got to bed around 12:15 AM and Dale’s dog woke me up around 6:30.  We
went into town for breakfast and then I hit the road around 8 or so.  I left
Spokane on 195 headed south towards Colfax.  I wanted to avoid the interstates
as much as possible so the route was planned to do that as much as possible.

The first couple of hundred miles were spent getting used to the steering and
power that Tigger offers.  Dale put in a  Turner engine which had about 6,600
miles on it.  The steering is what you’d expect from a Series III but much
better than my IIA which definitely needs attention!

The best part of the first day was highway 95 and 55 through the southwest
portion of Idaho.  I drove through rain, snow and sleet at altitudes of better
than 7,000 feet.  The worst part of the trip was the same route which had a
nice river right beside it with little or no guard rails!  I didn’t stop to
see if the water was cold but that was no doubt that it was snow-fed and
something that I didn’t want to experience!

By the time it turned into night, I realized that I didn’t have a flashlight.
That was kind of stupid but I had to make do without it.  Luckily, I had
plotted my route into a Garmin III so trying to read a map really wasn’t
necessary.

The Garmin III has a nice built-in trip computer.  It accumulates time and
distance when the vehicle is in motion.  That makes tracking the miles and
average speed simple.  More on that later.

About 6 PM, I decided to push on and drive as far as feasible.  For those who
haven’t visited the western part of the US from Washington to Arizona, keep in
mind that you need to plan your stops carefully.  Most of the towns are at
least 30 miles apart with absolutely nothing between them.   Very few houses,
no gas stations, no assistance whatsoever!  Made me remember that I also
forgot my cell phone too.  

What did I remember to bring?  My hunting gear with is fairly heavy-duty cold
weather clothing, gloves, etc and a fairly extensive set of tools.  Dale gave
me several repair manuals so I wasn’t too worried.  

By the time I hit Jackpot Nevada,  I was ready to stop for the night.  Jackpot
is a budding little gambling town just across the Idaho/Nevada border with
quite a few choices of hotels and casino’s.   I decided a Holiday Inn Express
was just what I needed and got the last non-smoking room.  I also got a coupon
for $1 of nickels and a coupon for a free drink.   They had a small casino
attached that served hotdogs.  Being tired, I didn’t feel like driving
anywhere else so supper was a beer and hot-dog at the casino’s bar.

I took the nickels and lost them within 10 minutes.  Then, I moved to the
quarter slots and took 6 quarters out of my pocket.  I’m one of the last of
the big-time spenders as you can tell!  Walked away with about $3 in winnings
too!

How far down the food chain is Jackpot?  Juice Newton was playing one of the
hotels.  Name one Juice Newton hit!

I was up and on the road by 7:35 AM Saturday morning.   The biggest part of
the journey is driving north to south across Nevada to Las Vegas.  As the crow
flies, that is about 400 miles.

Most of this is high desert.  Again, I encountered snow, rain and sleet.  The
journey was uneventful if not downright boring.  The radio struggled to get
any stations so I mostly listened to the CB radio picking up conversations
from truckers.  Even those were few.  I also felt better about the ride of an
88" learning to go with the flow and bumps rather than fighting them.  

I pulled into Las Vegas around early evening having made fairly good time.   I
had planned to stop for supper but I wasn’t that hungry so I pushed on.  I
wasn’t sure if I was going all the way to Phoenix or stop somewhere for the
night but I felt good so on I went.  (Armando:  it was that same feeling that
we had in Tuxpan Mexico when you asked how far we planned to go that night!)

Crossing the Hoover Dam was fun.  They keep the speed down to 15 MPH for the
most part so I could poke along without feeling guilty about holding back
traffic.  There is a nice long climb back to the highway on the way to Kingman
but again, the Turner engine was fairly strong.  

Supper consisted of a tuna fish sandwich at Subways in Kingsman and then I had
to contend with the interstate for about 25 miles from Kingman to the turnoff
to Wickenburg.  The on-ramp to interstate is long and uphill.  In fact, from
the on-ramp on, the road climbs for several miles as you drive east.  Without
the overdrive engaged, Tigger can easily maintain 55 mph even on the climbs.  

Once I turned off of I-40 back on 93, I came close to my first and only
accident.  A Ford pulling a Nissan  pass me and cut back to soon.  I hit the
brakes and was missed by only inches.  No problem.

The road from the interstate to Wickenburg was something else.  It runs around
2,300 feet with fairly easy rolling hills.  I guess I was in a hurry.  Where
possible, Tigger was in overdrive and running around 3,000 rpms, I could
easily do 65 MPH with no strain.  I was in what I consider to be my backyard,
the corral gates were open and I was going to sleep in my bed tonight!

After stopping at work to pick up my computer and putting out a "home safe"
note to the Mendo, I finished the trip home.   After un-loading the truck and
reading a couple more e-mails, I finally got to bed at 2 AM on Saturday night.

Today is Sunday so I slept in.  That’s the great thing about making a three
day trip into a two-day one… you get a day to recover.  I made one or two
repairs to the LR fixing a window channel that fell out on Saturday night and
rewired the CB with a better disconnect so that I can remove it easily.

Here are the details from the Garmin III.  Keep in mind that the mile and
elapsed time is recorded when the Garmin detects that you’re moving.  

Odometer           1358.8
Trip timer           26 hours, 35 minutes 
Average speed    51.1 MPH
Max. speed         I’m not telling but it was downhill and well over 70 MPH

>From my notes, I used about 88 gal of gas for mileage of 15.4 mpg.  No oil
used.  

Things I need to do to Tigger for long-term maintenance:  replace or repair
two frame pieces that have a some rust.  Fix the steering to stop the tire
from scrubbing during tight turns at slow speeds.  I’d love to have a couple
more inches…. of leg room … for comfort’s sake so I’ll look at moving the
bulkhead back somehow.  I’m 6’2" so room is at a premium.  (And yes I knew
fully well that 88" have no legroom too!)

All things considered, I’m happy with Tigger.   Dale’s done a lot of work
making it a fine vehicle.  Everything between the grill and the engine
bulkhead is new or reconditioned….mostly new.  The wiring probably needs
attention and there are a couple of items that Dale recommended that I do.

Plans for Tigger?  Even in the desert’s heat, Tigger will be at home and will
be my daily driver.  Since Tigger is a soft-top, it will be difficult in
August but I don’t use Discovery’s A/C even on the hottest days unless someone
else is with me.  Now, I don’t have that option!  The sides are already rolled
up and I’m not sure when they’ll be down again.  I guess that will be when the
monsoons hit in the late summer.  

Hope I didn’t bore anyone but it was my first long-distance journey in a
Series vehicle !  The split was about 513 miles on Friday and 845 on Saturday.
The most amazing thing is that Automap showed the mileage as 1358 and you can
see that the Garmin recorded the miles as 1358.8.  I’m sure it is a
coincidence but amazing nevertheless.  Seems like there should at least be a
merit badge for endurance for anything over 800 miles in a Series.

One other note:  got an invitation from LR Scottsdale to attend their version
of the LR’s 50th Anniversary celebration later this month.  They included a
neat little LR Badge like is on the back of the series vehicles which my
daughter promptly put on her LR hat.    The invitation also said that two
owners in the US would win a "vintage" Land Rover.   How many did Jim G(?) in
Spokane restore?  Could these be the ones they’re giving away?  What will your
average Discovery do with a Series???  Wonder where the cup holders are?  

Later…
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ 

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:14:26 EDT
Subject: Hand Winches

Have just returned from a week in the Arizona Desert and missed the thread on
hand winches.  Conspicious by it's absence was any mention of wheel mounted
spool winches.  These spools mount onto a wheel with some of the lugnuts
making a vertical capstan winch.  

Does anyone have any experience with these?  

A variation on this theme was the perforated hub covers on the M151s used by
the US Army.  I had heard that these were intended to allow the use of a jack
handle or lugwrench for the same purpose.  This assumes you have rope and an
assistant.  Any old vehicle recovery specialists out there?

It seems that any time I was on a Land Rover expedition, there were always
ropes and another Land Rover to help get one unstuck.

Recuerdos,
Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:17:23 +0200
Subject: S3 brakes, thanks Bill

Dear List,

Finally I think my brakes are in order thanks to the info I have got from
William L. Leycock. Yes, bouth leading shoes were mounted on one side and
bouth trailing shoes on the other. The PO hired a workshop to do this...
How about the front brake shoes? Are they all the same size/type?

/Peter
--------------------------------------
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
018-39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
--------------------------------------

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:32:45 +0100
Subject: Re: The Queen & her Rovers was BMW etc.

Yes, I think Top Gear had something about her driving her P5?

I was talking about the Queen Mother though...  :-)

Richard

Paul_Quin@pml.com on 04/03/98 05:14:25 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  The Queen & her Rovers was BMW etc.

FWIF, the Queen does drive Land Rovers on her estates.  I have seen
pictures of her driving everything from Series 1's to Defenders, and of
course Range Rovers.
During WW2, she was trained as an ambulance driver and, I think, a
mechanic...!!!

Paul.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:43:36 +0100
Subject: Re: OME VS OEM

>YES MY COMPUTER IS STILL BROKEN--BUT IF YOU THINK THIS IS BROKEN YOU
SHOULD
>SEE MY ROVER.

Over here in the UK,  a good quality keyboard is 20 quid - maybe less.

I thought computer kit was meant to be so much cheaper than the UK (and 6
months aahead)...

Hey guys, shall we start a collection, these CAPS are hurting my delicate
eyes!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Ian Stuart <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:55:21 +0000
Subject: Re: True Brits, Up the Stuarts! (no LR content)

AKBLACKLEY wrote:
> The whole royal family has been hunnish ever since German Geordie stole the
> throne fra' the rightful King - Bonnie Cherlie Stuart!

Twas a sad day.....

--
Ian Stuart
(Decendant of Charlie-boy, via Mary)
<Ultra-huge cheesy grin>

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From: Ian Stuart <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:59:18 +0000
Subject: Re: A Land Rover for the new Millenium?

Easton Trevor wrote:
> see http://www.rovergroup.com/media/rovernews/index_rovernews.html for a
> concept Defender.

I think you've been had

Look at the date....

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From: Kevin Whitmarsh <kevin.whitmarsh@which.net>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:13:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Carb Problem

Dave Place wrote:
> One more try.  I didn't get many ideas of why my carb needs so much
> priming if I let the vehicle sit a day or two.  I changed the fuel pump
> to mechanical so of course I know why it takes a bit to get fuel to the
> carb, but when I had the electrical pump I had to wait a few seconds for
> the pump to fill the float chamber.  I don't believe you can evaporate
> that much fuel in a day or two.  It must be running into the manifold or
> out of the carb.  Is there a common  leak problem with the Zenith carbs.
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> out of the carb.  Is there a common  leak problem with the Zenith carbs.
> Dave VE4PN

I have twin stromberg CD175's in my 3.5L V8 1985 110 with electric pump
situated on the frame under the driver seat, which means I can hear the
pump ticking.  I always wait 2-3 second after turning on the ignition,
listening for the pump to slow down from about 5 tick per sec to about 1
tick per sec before turning over the motor. 

Otherwise, if i dont wait, it will start first time and then die after a
second or two from fuel starvation.  I always assumed it was a
'feature'.  Probably just fuel draining back down the fuel feed pipe.

-- 
Kevin Whitmarsh
Basingstoke, UK

4-wheels  1985 110 County V8         1995 BMW 318IS Coupe
2-wheels  1993 Orange Elite with 'XT,Hope,Middleburn etc.

http://homepages.which.net/~kevin.whitmarsh/

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