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1 Peter Thoren [Peter.Thor25How do I seal up my diesel tank?
2 Dale Smith [smithdv1@yah22Re: True Brits, Up the Stuarts! (no LR content)
3 JKwas61947 [JKwas61947@a29Rover earns it's keep
4 Olafur Agust Axelsson [o20Re: off road in island?
5 "David Lee" [djflee@emai14Beemers and Brits
6 David Scheidt [david@inf27copper brake pipes
7 John Richard Middleton [34Wanted: Series one alpine window
8 alan moore [amoore@telep26Rover Raffle Under Fire in Portland
9 Keith Mohlenhoff [krm@nj22No wonder it clunked
10 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns13Brake Line Fittings
11 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi40Re: Time Warp Sighting
12 David Cockey [dcockey@ti22Re: BMW and interesting observations
13 Adrian Redmond [channel630Re: off road in island?
14 Jarvis 64 [Jarvis64@aol.17OME VS OEM
15 Hank Rutherford [ruthrfr12Military Tyres
16 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b20Re: OME VS OEM
17 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy15Carb Problem


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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:23:57 +0200
Subject: How do I seal up my diesel tank?

Dear list,

As I wrote to the list some time ago I have a leak on top of my diesel tank

rusthole. Diesel is leaking from the top of the tank where the gauge unit
is placed. This round opening, approx 5 cm in diameter, is only tightened
with an interesting piece of engineering art. Those who have seen it know
what I mean. Are there known tricks to seal this opening and if so could
someone please tell me how to do it? 

/Peter
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Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
018-39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:56:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: True Brits, Up the Stuarts! (no LR content)

First it was the throne, then it was Rover, now it is Rolls. What do
you think it will be next?.....:-)
Smitty
---AKBLACKLEY  wrote:
The whole royal family has been hunnish ever since German Geordie
stole the
throne fra' the rightful King - Bonnie Cherlie Stuart!  "Since our
true king
was sent awa' a dighty German rules us a', and we are forced against
the law;
the right belongs tae Cherlie; At Falkirk and at Prestopans supported
by the
hieland clans, we broke the the Hanoverian bands; the right belongs tae
Cherlie". With thanks to the Tannahill Weavers for that quote. Cheers,
Andrew
Kennedy Blackley, grandson of an Ayrshire laddie.

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From: JKwas61947 <JKwas61947@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:14:56 EST
Subject: Rover earns it's keep

My wife, being the practical kind, was not overly fond of my Land Rover.  She
could not see the benefit of owning a 26 year old vehicle in which
conversation is not possible at speeds above 50mph (a feature which I enjoy!).
However, last Thursday, we got a delivery of hay for our horses, and our
tractor would not start.  No problem.  I go up to the neighbor and ask him to
tow the wagon up to the barn.  He gets about 30 feet and digs in up to the
axles in the wet spring ground.  Uh-Oh!  Now it's just starting to rain a
little and the practical wife thinks we (read: me) need to start carrying the
bales the 1/2 mile up the path to the barn!  Yeah, right.  So I take off and
come back 5 minutes later with the Land Rover.  Now it's the wife's turn to
say "Yeah, right".  I think she gently pointed out how if a tractor got stuck,
blah, blah,blah....
Well, 8 bales in the back, 5 on the bonnett, 4 on the roof, and 15 on a skid
towed behind (about 1400lbs of hay), and in 4 trips the hay was safe, sound,
and dry!  As the saying goes (and as I told her), It's Never Over In A Rover!
Later that day I found her thumbing through my stack of old Rover Magazines!
Now my wife wants me to buy a 101FC!  Like I said, she is the practical kind!

John

72 sIII 88
68 sIIa 88 project
73 sIII 88 donor

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From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:29:10 +0000
Subject: Re: off road in island?

Adrian wrote:
>I thought all driving in Iceland was OFF-road (OK, they do have a few
>miles of asphalt around Rejkyavik!)

That depends on what meaning you but in the word nearest - you can get as
far as 500km to the north of Rvk. and 400 to the east - its no Autobahn but
its asphalt. There are many routes you can take where you have to rely on a
good Land Rover and have great fun - and be legal!  -  Ok seriously I think
the nature conservation laws says that you can drive wherever has been
driven before!! - that is: you may not make new tracks.

Adrian! - its time for you to visit Iceland! .....again (?)  :-)

Olafur Agust

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From: "David Lee" <djflee@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:58:11 +0100
Subject: Beemers and Brits

Heard a nice quote on the BBC Radio 4 today:

"It's always been said that Rolls Royce is a British as the Royal
Family........Now it's true."

Dave Lee
Tearie, Scotland
'76 SIII 109 Safari

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:21:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: copper brake pipes

"Copper" brake pipes are almost certainly made of cupronickel, a variety
of bronzes consisting of copper, nickel and possibly (depending on the
particular alloy) iron and tin. They are noted for their corrosion
resistance, malleablity, and ability to be extensivly cold worked without
annealing.  Cupronickel is commonly used in such things as condensers in
marine applications and some industrial stills.  I *think* that there is
an aviation application or two, but I am not sure.  I will look it up if
some really wants to know.  Galvanic corrosion is almost certainly a
problem, but again, I would have to look it up.

Cupronickel tubing is probably suitable for brake pipes, and a set should
last the expected life of the car (you might want to replace them when you
do the frame, say).  If I were going to fit cupronickel brake pipes, I
would make sure that the wall thickness was adequate, as bursting strength
is not as high as with steel; but if they are selling the stuff as fit for
the purpose, I would hope that someone has done the checking!  I would
also make sure that the pipes were well supported, as work hardening might
(or not) shorten life span.

David/mr sinclair ( plain ol' steel pipes, though they probably are pb
coated)

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From: John Richard Middleton <middljr@vetmed.wsu.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Wanted:  Series one alpine window

I have a 1957 series one station wagon with a broken alpine window.  I am
looking for a replacement.  These are longer than the ones fitted to 107" 
SW's and later Series vehicles ~ 42".  If anyone has one they would like
to part with please let me know. 

Also, I am looking for a series one 80", as a restoration project.
Preferrably in the Western US.

Thanks!

John

'57 88" SI SW
'65 88" Hard Top
'69 109" Martin Walter Dormobile
'87 NAS Rnage Rover

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From: alan moore <amoore@teleport.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:13:09 -0800
Subject: Rover Raffle Under Fire in Portland

Greetings:

Recently, Oregon Trout, the Pacific Northwest's premier wild fish non-profit
organization, announced a fund raiser in which we would raffle off a 1998
Discovery. Tickets are $100 with a minimum of 350 and max of 750 to be sold.
The local weekly, Willamette Week, in its infinite ignorance, was quick to
publicly criticize us for aligning with "one of the most heinous
contributors to global warming" and tabbed us the "Rogue of the Week." All
of this set off a war of words between the paper and local reps from Land
Rover Portland. Even with all of this attention, ticket sales have been
slow, and we need help. If there is a way you could post our event on your
page we would be most grateful. Also, any advice you might have to help make
our event a success would be welcome. Details on the raffle are available at
the Oregon Trout website: www.ortrout.org. Feel free to e-mail me at home
or at info@ortrout.org. Thanks so much and happy roving!

Alan Moore
Communications Coordinator, Oregon Trout
503-222-9091
 

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:33:24 -0500
Subject: No wonder it clunked

Hello;

Removed the rear springs this morning from my LWB. Rubber bushings were
completly gone from the rear of both springs and one rear chassis
sleeve. No wonder it clunked when turning and hitting bumps. Both front
bushings were intact. To my surprize only one bolt didn't want to leave
the company of its metal sleeve. Cut through both sides of the bolt with
a sawzall. Removal was easier than I had expecxted. I'm sure the front
won't be as easy.

Now I just have to find some time to install the new springs.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
63 IIA LWB 2.25D
71 IIA SWB 2.25P
88 RR (now listing to the right after last weekends excursion)

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:07:31 -0800
Subject: Brake Line Fittings

On the subject of brakes, what would be the Rover #'s for brake line 
fittings for the 1964 IIa ? For that matter, how 'bout the Series III 
1973 ? I want to make up some lines, but have not enough fittings.  
Thanks !

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:15:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Time Warp Sighting

At 12:31 AM 04/04/98 -0900, Matt, wrote
>The previous owner (in Dawson creek BC) mentioned the rig might have been used
>in the oil exploration business, but was a little vague!

Hi Matt,

        The radio was mounted under the passenger parcel shelf, directly
above the Smith heater.  The bracket for it is still there.  Measuring from
the outside edge of the dash frame the first hole is 7 inches in and the
second is 5 and a half away from that one.  There is also a hole through the
bulkhead that must have carried the antenna cable.  A similar mystery hole
is about midway along the right wing and there are metal cable supports
along the inside top of the wing to about where the hole is.

        The microphone clip is directly below the right hand wiper motor and
mounted on the surrounding frame of the dash.  No holes between the vents.

        I think the radio must have been a serious impediment to any passenger.

        It's quite possible that your vehicle has an oil industry
background.  From what I've been able to gather, the LR was the vehicle of
choice for the industry in western Canada for a long time.

        Have you tried asking Land Rover for the production record?  It
usually lists the name of the first buyer.        

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:47 -0500
Subject: Re: BMW and interesting observations

Richard Marsden wrote of the Rover gas turbine:

> >had continued with with this experimentation and placed a jet turbine
> in a
> >Land-Rover!  Talk about a true multi-fuel engine!
> There was one for sale in the back pages on LROi about a year ago.
> Ex-vehicle (presumably one of JET-1's "children"), rather than
> ex-Vulcan...

Rover sold a gas turbine mounted on a bench with various flow meters and
other instrumentation for instructional use in universities, etc. U of
Delaware still had one in the 70s, and I remember some students getting
it to run.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 01:12:24 +0200
Subject: Re: off road in island?

Just kiddin Olafur!

I know that the route from Akureyri to Reykjavik is mostly asphalted, as
are short stretches outside the towns on the south / south east coast.

Actually, I think Iceland is the most roverable country which i have
visited, I can't recommend a better holiday than bouncing my way from
the blue lagoon to Thingvellir anti-clockwise - just take your own car,
cos the local rentals are EXPENSIVE!

I can't wait to get back up there again!

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:10:25 EST
Subject: OME VS OEM

DOING A LOT OF SUSPENSION STUFF TO MY 109 LATELY--DEFINITELY NEW SHOCK TIME--I
CAN GET OEM SHOCKS FOR $130 (THATS WITH ONE TON SHOCKS AT THE BACK) OR I CAN
GET OME SHOCKS FOR ABOUT $200.  WILL I BE ABLE TO TELL A DIFFERENCE--WILL THE
OME ONES LAST LONGER?  OR IS PUTTING EXPENSIVE SHOCKS ON SOMETHING WITH
SPRINGS THAT STIFF LIKE "GOLD PLATING A TURD" AS A FRIEND OF MINE SO QUAINTLY
PUT IT?

BILL RICE
WATERTOWN NY
YES MY COMPUTER IS STILL BROKEN--BUT IF YOU THINK THIS IS BROKEN YOU SHOULD
SEE MY ROVER.

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:20:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Military Tyres

Could someone out in Rover land share with me your experiences and advice in
running military style high traction tires? Are they noisy on pavement? Do
they lack wet traction? Are they the best thing since sliced bread? I await
your comments.
                   Hank Rutherford
                  65 SWB "Gromit"

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From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:28:47 -0500
Subject: Re: OME VS OEM

The Lt. said

>OR IS PUTTING EXPENSIVE SHOCKS ON SOMETHING WITH
>SPRINGS THAT STIFF LIKE "GOLD PLATING A TURD" AS A FRIEND OF MINE SO QUAINTLY
>PUT IT?
>BILL RICE
>WATERTOWN NY

I thought I told you to keep the gold turd story in your hat...  :)

Mike Johnson
'74 SIII 88 (Chester)
***This space available***
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:10:26 -0800
Subject: Carb Problem

One more try.  I didn't get many ideas of why my carb needs so much
priming if I let the vehicle sit a day or two.  I changed the fuel pump
to mechanical so of course I know why it takes a bit to get fuel to the
carb, but when I had the electrical pump I had to wait a few seconds for
the pump to fill the float chamber.  I don't believe you can evaporate
that much fuel in a day or two.  It must be running into the manifold or
out of the carb.  Is there a common  leak problem with the Zenith carbs.

Dave VE4PN

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