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From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:58:56 +0000
Subject: RE: Brake pipes!

Bent wrote:
....

The men at the Icelandic MOT have not said anything to me -  but I heard
someone got into trouble dealing with them because of copper pipes!

>Happy rovering in the worlds best offroad area Springisandur

Here is onething Icelandic laws are very clear about! - You drive
off-the-road and your in big-trouble ....if someone spots you!

>Bent Boehlers
>Denmark

Olafur Agust
Iceland - its an island !!

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From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Date: 3 Apr 1998 08:00:45 -0400
Subject: "Military" bumper

>What is this military bumper ? I have an Ex-Mil SIII, but I think my front 
bumper is stock.

I may have my terminology wrong, but I've heard the type of bumper with a
center pintle hitch referred to as a "military bumper".   It must be a bit
stronger, too, if it can handle a
pull from center.

Rgds,

Jeff

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From: WBJAMES <WBJAMES@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:04:07 EST
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I have tried numerous times to unsubscribe via MajorDomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
only to be infromed that I do not presently subscribe. If I do not have a
subscrption, why do I continue to receive daily e-mail.
Thank you for any help in this matter.
WBJames@aol.com

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:20:17 +0200
Subject: Revamping SIII heads

At the moment my 88" SIII diesel is broken down to the bare skeleton,
whilst I am in the proess of changing the firewall. I can see that the
engine is leaking a little oil, just at the back of the block, on the
line of the head gasket. So I have decided to change the head gasket
whilst everything is so easy to get at.

The question is - should I "service" the head and valves at the same
time? The motor had a rebuild/rebore in 1990, and has been a daily
driver since.

I have heard many of you speak of rebuilding or service the head, but
what is involved and what do others recommend? Is this just a matter of
cleaning the carbon deposits, or should the valves be serviced?

words of wisdom welcome!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:23:46 +0200
Subject: Re: BMW etc.

When I speak of "our royal family" I am speaking as a brit, not as a
resident of Denmark. BMW should have bought liz and phil. The danish
royals are another matter, not nearly as tatty round the edges as the
buck-house lot.

IMHO

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:27:36 +0200
Subject: Re: off road in island?

Olafur Agust Axelsson wrote:
Here is onething Icelandic laws are very clear about! - You drive
off-the-road and your in big-trouble ....if someone spots you!

---

I thought all driving in Iceland was OFF-road (OK, they do have a few
miles of asphalt around Rejkyavik!)

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:34 +0000
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

 If I do not have a
>subscrption, why do I continue to receive daily e-mail.
>Thank you for any help in this matter.
I had the same problem some time ago.Access Bill Caloccia's web page
and send him mail,outlining the problem.Worked for me!
Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:37:21 +0000
Subject: Re: BMW etc.

 The danish
>royals are another matter, not nearly as tatty round the edges as the
>buck-house lot.
I have on my office wall,two Land Rover publicity posters.Under the picture
of both of them is a list of "by appointment to" thingys.
HM the Queen
HRH the Duke of Edinburgh
HM Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother
HRH the Prince of Wales.
I hardly think "HM the King of Denmark" would carry *quite* the same cachet?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:43:36 +0000
Subject: Re: BMW etc.

<visions of Elizabeth of Glamis ["I'm 97 you know"] driving a Defender>

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 04/03/98 02:37:21 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: BMW etc.

 The danish
>royals are another matter, not nearly as tatty round the edges as the
>buck-house lot.
I have on my office wall,two Land Rover publicity posters.Under the picture
of both of them is a list of "by appointment to" thingys.
HM the Queen
HRH the Duke of Edinburgh
HM Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother
HRH the Prince of Wales.
I hardly think "HM the King of Denmark" would carry *quite* the same
cachet?
Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:45:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Revamping SIII heads

The question is - should I "service" the head and valves at the same
>time? The motor had a rebuild/rebore in 1990, and has been a daily
>driver since.

Dunno about wisdom,but....
If it was me(or rather what I did)was to replace valve guides,valves,
springs,guide oil seals.*Dont be tempted to have the head machined*
you'll end up with loose hot spots.It shouldnt need it anyway.I didnt
have mine machined,I hasten to add.If the valves/seats look reasonable,
and the guides arent worn,just replace the valve guide oil seals,and
grind the valves to the seatings.

Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:49:53 +0000
Subject: Re: BMW etc.

><visions of Elizabeth of Glamis ["I'm 97 you know"] driving a Defender>
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Ah,now here's the bit I *didnt* tell you...
Under "By Appointment to HM the Queen Mother" it ses:
Manufacturers of Rover cars Land Rovers and Range Rovers.Doesnt mention
the "Defender" anywhere.So perhaps HM *prefers* leaf springs?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:28 +0000
Subject: Re: BMW etc.

>><visions of Elizabeth of Glamis ["I'm 97 you know"] driving a Defender>
>>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
>Ah,now here's the bit I *didnt* tell you...
>Under "By Appointment to HM the Queen Mother" it ses:
>Manufacturers of Rover cars Land Rovers and Range Rovers.Doesnt mention
>the "Defender" anywhere.So perhaps HM *prefers* leaf springs?
Production/material testing of artificial hip joints, you know...   :-)
Probably sponsored by The Hip Joint Company

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:58:53 EST
Subject: Re:  By Appointment To...

In a message dated 4/3/98 8:41:48 AM, you wrote:

>I have on my office wall,two Land Rover publicity posters.Under the picture
>of both of them is a list of "by appointment to" thingys.
>HM the Queen
>HRH the Duke of Edinburgh
>HM Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother
>HRH the Prince of Wales.

I had, on my fridge, a little magnet to which I stuck a picture I fooled with.
It was a picture of Camilla off some website, and below it was a "By
appointment to HRH the Prince of Wales" thingy that I scanned and stuck on. I
thought it would be a neat novelty line of goofy things, but then decided to
keep the funny ideas to myself to stay out of jail.

Others in mind were:
Monica Lewinsky (with a By appointment to)--> The President of the USA
The lucas logo-->The Prince of Darkness
Dodi al Fayed-->Princess Di 
Range Rover--> "Sloane Street Set"
Ford-->Alabamans

pat
93  110
By Appointment Only

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: welsh car makers

Then of course there is the high performance amphibious Lland Rover with
coracles by Llotus.
Or the natural gas turbine version by Llatus.

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:23:44 EST
Subject: RE: Brake pipes!

<Sorry, but here in Denmark we do not have extreme cold weather. Normaly 
<only down to -10 C ( 14 F), and the absolute coldest the car have been 
<exposed to is -42 C ( -43.6 F). 

Sounds extremely bloody cold from where I am sitting.
Seriosly though, I re-used copper brake pipes from the Range Rover donor for
my hybrid. I do not know how old they were then, but have given perfect
service for the last 5 years even after being re-bent to fitt the hybrid.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: PScales <pscales@blvl.igs.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:36:21
Subject: Re: Revamping SIII heads

At 03:20 PM 4/3/98 +0200, Adrian wrote:
>At the moment my 88" SIII diesel is broken down to the bare skeleton,
>whilst I am in the proess of changing the firewall. I can see that the
>engine is leaking a little oil, just at the back of the block...

>.
I have a 1959 diesel 88", and I thought that the leaking oil was normal!
>.
Peter
Trenton, Ontario
>.

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:08:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Revamping SIII heads

>I have a 1959 diesel 88", and I thought that the leaking oil was normal!
>>.
Which reminds me..Its a good idea to either get the self adhesive rocker
cover gasket,or if you cant,glue the non self adhesive sort to the rocker
cover.Stops some of the above.Thoroughly clean the rocker cover first,of course.
If you can get at them,it may be a good idea to replace the core plugs
as well,Adrian,particularly that elusive b*****d at the back!
Mike Rooth

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From: AKBLACKLEY <AKBLACKLEY@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:38:49 EST
Subject: True Brits, Up the Stuarts! (no LR content)

The whole royal family has been hunnish ever since German Geordie stole the
throne fra' the rightful King - Bonnie Cherlie Stuart!  "Since our true king
was sent awa' a dighty German rules us a', and we are forced against the law;
the right belongs tae Cherlie; At Falkirk and at Prestopans supported by the
hieland clans, we broke the the Hanoverian bands; the right belongs tae
Cherlie". With thanks to the Tannahill Weavers for that quote. Cheers, Andrew
Kennedy Blackley, grandson of an Ayrshire laddie.

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From: William Mitchell <mitchell@javanet.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:41:22 -0500
Subject: Series IIA Brake Problems

I recently had the brakes on my 1965 109 IIA redone.  New shoes and
"slave" cylinders all around, 2 new drums, new master cylinder.  The
work was done at a shop in the Boston area recommended by Rovers North.

When I picked up the truck, the pedal was firm and the braking was
fairly good.  However, by the time I got off the Mass Pike at Palmer
(about 60 miles of virtually no braking), I had no pedal resistance and
no brakes.  The wheels were quite warm, and it appears the brake fluid
had boiled causing the loss of pressure.

My question is:  

The owner's manual and shop manual say that the brakes should be
adjusted as follows:  loosen adjusters if necessary so that wheels
rotate freely; turn the adjusters until the shoe just brushes the drum,
then slacken off two serrations.  My mechanic says that there needs to
be a slight amount of resistance even then, so that the brakes will work
properly.  However, it appears that the resistance he left was enough to
cause the fluid to boil after only an hour of highway driving.

Any thoughts, experiences from you wizened Series Land Rover owners?

-- 
William H. Mitchell, Jr.          e-mail:  mitchell@javanet.com
ph:  (413) 256-0600               fx:  (413) 256-0654

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: A Land Rover for the new Millenium?

see http://www.rovergroup.com/media/rovernews/index_rovernews.html for a
concept Defender.
This is serious testosterone.

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From: Sski3 <Sski3@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:46:29 EST
Subject: colors

Any color is OK if you will maintain it, waxing cleaning, etc. But if your
just going to paint and forget then go with a diff color. Look at neglected
paint jobs as you drive and you'll see which colors are the worst. Oxidation
is the culprit along with the sun. The closer you get to the equator the
quicker the paint will go,also rubber products are affected. The answer to the
2nd question is white ,black ,grey, but who wants that on a series?

Steve F
SIIA 69  Lt green
SIIA 65  dark green

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:52:53 -0700
Subject: Paint Colours

Rust-O-leum Regal Red is a very close match to Poppy Red.

Some may laugh, but when deciding if I wanted to spend $1K on a Body Shop
paint job for the Red Dinosaur, I opted for $80.00 worth of Rust-O-leum
Regal Red.  After scrapes, and dents from my trips into the woods, I am glad
I saved the money.  Any of you who have seen the Dinosaur will agree it
doesn't look that bad. (see OVLR web page, 1997 Birthday group picture,
third from the right)  Just wash the whole car with brillo pads to clean off
the 39 years of oxide, and spray it on straight from the can.  Of course all
of you 100pt restoration folk can spend the big $$ but you should see you
faces when that branch comes down the side with a loud SCREEEEEEEEEEEECH.

Just my opinion.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: SLADE@imagina.com (slade)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:17:54 -0800
Subject: BMW menutia

Hi,

All this talk about BMW makes my recent aquisition more poignant.

I ordered personalized plates for my '90 RR that say:

PRE-BMW

They're Oregon plates, and I just scanned a .jpg if anyone would like to
put it on their web page I would love to see it up somewhere.

Just a thought...

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland Oregon
'90 RR (test vehicle)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:11:12 -0800 
Subject: FW: Selectro Guts

>From a buddy of mine with Selectro Hubs...

Paul in Victoria

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:14:25 -0800 
Subject: The Queen & her Rovers was BMW etc.

FWIF, the Queen does drive Land Rovers on her estates.  I have seen
pictures of her driving everything from Series 1's to Defenders, and of
course Range Rovers.

During WW2, she was trained as an ambulance driver and, I think, a
mechanic...!!!

Paul.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:44 -0800 
Subject: FW: Selectro Guts

Let's try this again...

Here are the people who are currently making Selectro Hubs.  For some
reason they are particularly useless and don't sell direct to customers,
but it is the only place I can think of:

MileMarker (they make Selectro hubs)
954-782-0604

Sussex

Paul.

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:11:14 -0800
Subject: Off - Road in Iceland

Olafur Agust Axelsson wrote:

> Here is onething Icelandic laws are very clear about! - You drive
> off-the-road and your in big-trouble ....if someone spots you!

   I just flew over Iceland and landed at Keflavik. The flight offered a 
super view of the island, and I was wondering what it would be like to 
off-road there. Mind you, I didn't see any trees, just lava, and a huge 
glacier that's reputed to be the largest in Europe! I'd love to go back 
and spend a week exploring, but, maybe next time!

Cheers!,
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Selectro Guts

You can get Selectro hubs and parts from MileMarker (800) 886-8647. It will
depend on which hub you have. They still offer Selectro hubs for Land
Rovers

        Jim Allen

>Does any one of you crazy kids know if replacement parts are available for
>early-ish Selectro hubs?  In a moment of unmitigated dumbassery, I broke a
>major piece of one...
>Ta,
>Wes
>'64 IIA 88" SW

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Wes
>'64 IIA 88" SW

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:45:10 +0200
Subject: Re: Revamping SIII heads

Thanks for the replies to my oily ponderings, both of which remarked
that the oil might be coming from somewhere else (that would be nice)
however, without the firewall I now have a unique view of the motor, and
the oily sludge clinging to the block seems to be limited to below the
head gasket line, at the rear of the engine. Above the line seems to be
dry and clean. The banjo bolt for the oil feed to the head seems to be
clean and dry - but I'll check it all again whilst its accessible - I'd
rather avoid changing the h-gask if I can, but if it must be done, I'd
rather do it now.

Does anyone have a "standard" for how often the head gasket should be
changed, or is it just a question of running it until something else
goes wrong, and changing it whilst the head is off? (That the usual
cause for me)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:00:27 -0700
Subject: Time Warp Sighting

I think I might have seen my Sll as it was in 1959/60 and if not then one
that was her sister.

Last night I was watching a 1960 National Film Board documentary about
oilworkers set in the Swan Hills area of Alberta.  This was the period when
there were only a couple of rigs working in the area just before the big oil
strike.

Well in one part of the doc a rival oil company sends in a scout to spy on a
wildcat rig. 
He's driving a Series ll that is a dead ringer for mine, right down to a
curious dent mine has on the rear quarter.  In the interior shots one can
see how the two-way radio is mounted and in mine there are holes in the
right place for that along with the microphone holder which is still in
place in mine.  

Another piece of evidence is that my vehicle had been originally owned by
Shell Oil and used for something like twenty years as an oilfield site
vehicle in the very same Swan Hills.

The identification isn't proven of course but it's close enough to give me a
rather curious feeling about having a movie star in the family.  I also find
it hard to believe that the beast looked so good when brand new.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "Darrell D. Murray" <rdgrnr@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:00:20 -0700
Subject: Southwestern Regional Rally

Just a note to let you know things are shaping up for The Southwestern
Regional Rally.  Still some room left if you're interested in coming to
Tucson.  So far our Rally Sponsors are: Land Rover North America, Land
Rover Scottsdale/Phoenix, A.R.B., Atlantic British, Rover's North,
British BullDog, Pull Pal and Safari Gard.  Working on others so there
will be lots of door prizes and raffle items.  Don't miss out on The
Southwest's Premiere Rock Crawling trails and Desert Mountain Scenery. 
For an event registration packet, email me at rdgrnr@flash.net or call
520-826-1665.  Arizona and Land Rovers, a perfect combination.
Darrell D. Murray, President
Arizona Land Rover Owners
Tucson, Arizona

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:07:30 -0800
Subject: Re: Paint Colours

Mitch-

  Thanks for the input! Timm is going to be spraying it with a gun, but I 
think the easy availability of Rust-O-leum would be nice for 
quick-n-cheap repairs.

--Jason

On 4/3/98 7:52 AM , The Stockdales wrote-

>Rust-O-leum Regal Red is a very close match to Poppy Red.
>Some may laugh, but when deciding if I wanted to spend $1K on a Body Shop
>paint job for the Red Dinosaur, I opted for $80.00 worth of Rust-O-leum
>Regal Red.  After scrapes, and dents from my trips into the woods, I am glad
>I saved the money.  Any of you who have seen the Dinosaur will agree it
>doesn't look that bad. (see OVLR web page, 1997 Birthday group picture,
>third from the right)  Just wash the whole car with brillo pads to clean off
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Just my opinion.
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:08:21 -0800 
Subject: RE: Time Warp Sighting

Can you see the license plate number in the video?

If so, you could trace it through your Department of Motor Vehicles and
find out what serial number went with that plate.

Paul in Victoria.

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:12:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Brake Problems

Your brakes were probably adjusted too tight. There's no other way the
brake fluid can boil, unless there was some hydraulic or mechanical problem
that caused the brakes to stay applied, and this would still fall under
"mechanic error" IMHO. If the brakes got hot ehough to boil the fluid, you
may have glazed the shoes and turned the drums blue from heat. I would have
a talk with the shop and get them to inspect the brakes in your presence
for any long term consequences.The brake fluid should be changed and it's
possible that the wheel cylinder rubbers are damaged.  Mistakes happen, but
how they deal with them will show their true character.

        Jim Allen

>I recently had the brakes on my 1965 109 IIA redone.  New shoes and
>"slave" cylinders all around, 2 new drums, new master cylinder.  The
>work was done at a shop in the Boston area recommended by Rovers North.
>When I picked up the truck, the pedal was firm and the braking was
>fairly good.  However, by the time I got off the Mass Pike at Palmer
>(about 60 miles of virtually no braking), I had no pedal resistance and
>no brakes.  The wheels were quite warm, and it appears the brake fluid
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)]
>ph:  (413) 256-0600               fx:  (413) 256-0654
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:20:08 +0200
Subject: HM the King of Denmark? 

Well, as a true brit I must be careful when preferring the Danes royals,
but there are a few points of interest.

The danish monarchy is the oldest in the world, and denmark has the
oldest flag.

Whilst the Buck-house mob have done little else but marry unwisely,
chase their fluff-on-the-side, and move themselves further from the the
lives of their subjects (who actually pay for the whole shooting match),
the Danish royals have moved with the times, and have suprisingly
avoided the grotty gutter-press scandals of inbred snobbery that their
counterparts at the end of the mall have so excelled themselves at for
the last 25 years.

I do agree on the "HM the King of Denmark" bit - The King died in 1972,
since when his daughter, Margrethe the 2nd, has been the reigning
Monarch. I doubt if she drives a land rover though, at nearly 2 metres
high she's the tallest reigning monarch in the world and probably to
tall - at least for a series wagon.

Don't think I'm against the monarchy in the UK, I just think that they
have let us down, and that they have missed many unreapeatable
opportunities where they could have adapted their remarkable institution
to the changing times of the nation and its culture.

Like Rover, if they do not adapt soon enough, it might take a new
leadership to save the sinking ship (just kiddin - but y' know what I
mean?)

Rule Brittania and all that...

Adrian Redmond

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From: RWilli4013 <RWilli4013@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:46:12 EST
Subject: Re: Series IIA Brake Problems

I have a '69 88" SIIA.  I have recently had her re-chassised after the old one
was worn out.  No problems with the brakes, but I hear that a system flush
followed by a fill with silicone-based fluid does the trick. Please let me
know if you have any luck.
Happy rovering.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:16:33 EST
Subject: Re: Selectro Guts

>Does any one of you crazy kids know if replacement parts are available for 
>early-ish Selectro hubs?  

Wes, dear boy, I have the perfect solution. Take the broken one off, followed 
by the good one on the other side. Replace with standard drive plates then 
forget about them. While I do have freewheel hubs, its only because the truck 
came with them. It really isn't necessary and mine are always locked. Can't say 
I notice the difference. You will notice the difference if you drive with them 
out and then lock them. Once they are gone you will neve miss them. And your 
front end will be happier for it. Ok I still unlock them for extended highway 
motoring i.e., over 2 hours.

later
DaveB

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psa.pencom.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:40:23 -0600
Subject: RE: A question of LR (CT) history

It was asked:

> A bit earlier than that wasn't it? I recall seeing an "original" CT SIII 88 in
> LRO a while back, and though it may have been a lookalike, and also a final-
> run SIII, I still think that CT started in the 70s. Anyone know fer shure?

	As has been correctly pointed out the CT started in 1980 with Jeeps.
Three German teams partisipated.  The next year found 5 german teams with
Range Rovers.   The only year that Series Lrs were uses was in 1983 when
they used SIII diesel 88" models.

Vehicle      Years used
Jeep         1980
Range Rover  1981, 1982, 1987 
SIII 88"     1983
110          1984 1988 1989
90           1985 1986
Discovery    1990-1997
Freelander   1998

Ben 
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery           can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:42:29 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: Eh ? What is this military bumper ?

I THINK HES REFERRING TO THE NEW MILITARY BUMPERS WITH THE INTEGRAL RECOVERY
PIN SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE.  I SAW THEM ON SOME BRITISH ARMY ROVERS IN
BOSNIA--PRETTY SHARP AND RN SELLS THEM FOR NOT TOO MUCH AT ALL.  HMMM . . . MY
BUMPER IS A LITTLE BENT FROM THAT TREE . . .

BILL RICE

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:00:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Brake Problems

>I recently had the brakes on my 1965 109 IIA redone. .  The
>work was done at a shop in the Boston area recommended by Rovers North.
>When I picked up the truck, the pedal was firm and the braking was
>fairly good.  However, by the time I got off the Mass Pike at Palmer
>(about 60 miles of virtually no braking), I had no pedal resistance and
>no brakes.  The wheels were quite warm, and it appears the brake fluid
>had boiled causing the loss of pressure.
>Any thoughts, experiences from you wizened Series Land Rover owners?
The first thing you do is get out your starting handle and go back to the
shop that fouled up the brake job, wave it about wildly screaming that you
almost killed a bus full of nuns because they didn't adjust your brakes
properly.  Be sure to do this infront of as many customers as possible..
good luck

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:54:26 -0500
Subject: Reply Times?? (no LR contenT)

Dear all,
Since you are all obviously "connected" to the internet, I have a question
if I may. If you send a 2 or 3 page email to a company that details a lot
of information, and asks a lot of specific questions (not just, "hey do you
have a catalog"). What kind of reply time do you usually get? I try and get
replys out within 5 days (the week they came in), short questions in a day
or so. Is that good or bad as a general rule??
I ask because I got blasted recently for a 4-5 day reply time, so I
suggested the customer might be happier with another company... then I
really got it!! YIKES! :-(
Give me the "rule of thumb", if there is one, so I know if I need to adjust
the time I spend at the keyboard. Thanks.;-)

BTW... Dixon K., and others in OVLR, I think those 2 101 FC pre-prod.
models are for sale. I think I saw them in Hemmings Motor News this month.

See ya!!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:58:10 EST
Subject: UK warranty term

I saw today that effective yesterday UK LR buyers will now get a 3 year
warranty. I guess all the grumbling about the US buyers getting a longer term
paid off.

I saw it at the page posted about the futuristic defender. Again, a case of
designers on acid wanting to make their personal statements more important
than the way the product looks.

http://www.rovergroup.com/media/rovernews/index_rovernews.html

Anyway, I don't see why they can't re-design the defender from the skins
inward and leave the outside alone, after all, it has been the same *basic*
shape with minor tweaks every now and then, not the departure their renderings
show.

pat
93  110

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From: Elwyny <Elwyny@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:25:53 EST
Subject: Re: Reply Times?? (no LR contenT)

Hi

>From the USA to the UK there is a reply time of 21-28 days, or 5 days if they
are really on the ball (snailmail) or within 7days Email.

uk-uk it varies anything between 2-14 days snail and 0-7 email

Hope it helps

Elwyn
Cambrian Coast, Wales, Great Britain

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:38:49 EST
Subject: Re: Reply times

Reply? Who does that? ;-)

Perhaps people ought to realize that e-mail, just because it *gets* there
quickly, doesn't guarantee that it will be responded to quickly. What if that
impatient person *wrote a letter*? It would have taken days for an answer...
if people need information quickly, they should pick up the phone (on their
dime, no 800 number abuse...) and get it that way. You gets what you pays for.

pat
93  "so, mike, if I send you an e-mail asking for information about the
supercharger you posted about a while back, *how long* would I have to wait
for a reply?" 110 ;-)

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:10:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Reply Times?? (no LR contenT)

At 06:54 PM 03/04/98 -0500, Mike Smith, wrote

>Give me the "rule of thumb", if there is one, so I know if I need to adjust
>the time I spend at the keyboard. Thanks.;-)

I recently did some consulting work for a couple of very large organizations
during which this very question came up.

Generally speaking, the rule of thumb for postal mail with the Canadian
Federal Government and many companies is "the week of", although some
outfits have gone to a rigid "within 24 hours" rule.

But email is different because the person sending the email almost always
seems to expect a response within minutes.  

On receiving end of the email chain there is another curious little thing
which happens if the email is left unanswered for more than a day or so and
that has to do with the shakiness of human memory.  

I found during both of these jobs that it was rather common for people to
fully intend responding to an email but because they didn't deal with it
immediately and also failed to print it out, it would slide down the
priority list in their minds until it was completely forgotten about.

On both these jobs I recommended that people print out the email.  A living
piece of paper floating around a desk or even tucked into a "todo" file acts
like a constant reminder that something is left undone.

The other thing I recommended was that emails should be answered "within 24
hours", or at least acknowledged as having been received and being acted upon.

As an aside.  While researching this issue for these two outfits I was
astonished to see how rude people can be in an email whereas an old
fashioned letter was always polite, reasonable and devoid of gratuitous emotion.

Hope this helps.

                                                         Rick Grant

Cobra Media Communications, Calgary Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
rgrant@cadvision.com

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:14:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake pipes!

Olafur Agust Axelsson wrote:

> Ive heard before that using brake pipes made of copper are not the
> most
> clever thing to do - but I thought since they are selling it - it must
> be a
> OK - so I bought it - I think from Paddocks two years ago and put it
> under
> my 66 88.

> What is it? - is there as such thing as save copper pipes? - if they
> are
> dangerous - why are they selling it?

The "copper" brake pipes sold in the UK are actually an alloy, probably
copper-nickel. Regular soft copper tubing is prone to fatigue and can
fail suddenly. Thus copper shouldn't be used in critical automotive
applications. This is not a cold weather problem.

The "copper" alloy brake lines supposedly don't have this problem,
though I have seen advise to make sure they are well secured and can't
vibrate. Your local autoparts person may think that you are using
regular copper.

Mild steel with a lead coating is the prefered material for brake pipes.
The steel is very fatigue resistant, and the lead coating helps to
prevent rust. A rusting pipe is not as much of a problem as one subject
to sudden fatigue failure since you can visually inspect for rust.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 03:14:35 +0200
Subject: Re: Reply Times?? (no LR contenT)

Mike Smith wrote:
Give me the "rule of thumb", if there is one, so I know if I need to
adjust the time I spend at the keyboard.

Hi Mike,

I run my own business too, so I know how you feel, wanting to please
everyone, customers, creditors, suppliers, friends and neighbours, the
wife, the kids, the family and the cat, and once in a while yourself
too?

I have a simple (if not too arrogant) rule fopr my business. OJK, we're
here for our customers, but just because someone rings/writes/calls by
out of the blue, does not imply a god-given right to a reply.

Business is business, so I guess that the speed of the reply is
proportionate to the importance of the enquirer and the potential
business the enquiry may generate (could be today, could be in ten years
- I have sold film productions to people who, ten years ago, bought a
videotape or hired a spotlight from me on a sunday when everytone else
was closed for the weekend).

I feel e-mail must, by now, be taken seriously, just like telephones,
faxes, and customers at the counter. I know the frustration of writing
e-mails to companies and never getting a reply because they are "too
busy" to open their mail. (In my experience the worst offenders for this
are computer companies, multinational electonics suppliers like SONY or
Panasonic, and internet service providers - ironic but true!)

I check my mail at least three times a day if I'm home, or once a day if
I am away. If I get a mail which can't be answered properly when I open
it, I just make a quick reply saying "thanks, sounds interesting, we can
help, I'll get back to you". No-one minds waiting a day or a week for a
decent reply if they know that they are being treated like a customer.

The beauty of e-mail is it's simplicity, unlike most other forms of
communication, which take time and can commit you before you are ready
to deal with a problem, e-mail allows you to be polite, whilst retaining
the priviledge of running your own business your own way, according to
your own priorities. Many people just doepn't realise that, even though
the customer is always right, small businesses usually have too many
customers who want to be right at the same time, and that, more often
than not, most are not åprepared to pay the true cost of being right.

I am no business guru - like most self-employed I'm still hunting for
the holy grail, but the more I do this, the more I realise that the true
criteria for success in business is being able to decide for yourself
what jobs must be done today, and not let the telephone, doorbell,
e-mail, bank, taxman or difficult customer dictate the priorities. No
major corporation got that rich by letting evevryone else but the
management and staff decide the priorities - and the greatest time
waster of all is communications to and from the outside world.

Call me old fashioned?

I canb't give you a hard and fast rule saying always anwser your mail
within 5 minutes or three weeks - that's for you to decide - after all,
if you hadn't started your business, the customers wouldn't be calling
or writing, so its also up to you to decide what is important for you.
As you can see, it's quarter after three in the morning, I have just
finished the night's office work and am writing my mails - which proves
that I am no expert at controlling the uncontrollables of business!

Good luck! :-)

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
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telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
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e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:14:31 -0600
Subject: Correction on BMW Isetta

The BMW Isetta was not the same vehicle as a Messerschmitt.  The
Messerschmitt was produced by the same company that built the airplanes for
the German Air Force during World War II.  The Isetta was produced by BMW
under license from the Italian firm of ISO.  Prior to the war, BMW had been
known for manufacturing high-line cars of great speed and grace, in fact,
they were much more highly regarded than the more proletarian
Mercedes-Benzes.  After the war, BMW introduced the 501 (equipped with
BMW's famous inline six) and the 502 which was fitted with the first-ever
German-built V8 engine.  There was also a coupe version of the 502, known
as the 503 and, of course, who can forget the stunning 507--an automotive
legend, and rightfully so.  Anyhow, these finely engineered, expensive and
hand-built cars did not sell in a country still recovering from war and
consequently BMW was going bankrupt.  Enter the Isetta, a microcar that
could be produced cheaply and quickly and sold at a low price that would
still turn a profit.  It was just what BMW and Germany needed at the time
and it saved BMW (which, coincidentally, heavily re-engineered and improved
the original design and powered its Isetta's with its own motorcycle
engines).  Many other "bubble" cars sprung up in Germany at the time such
as the aforementioned Messerschmitt, the Goggomobil, the Maico, the
Heinkel, etc., and provided the German populace with cheap (albeit somewhat
unsafe) motoring until the country could get back on its feet.

Come to think of it, isn't this business of producing a stop-gap vehicle
just to remain solvent what Rover's intention was when it introduced the
Land-Rover?  Thankfully, unlike BMW's Isetta, Rover never discontinued the
Land-Rover!

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:21:01 -0600
Subject: Tropical Roof Alpine Lights

Okay, finally a message without any commentary on BMW.  Here's my question:
 I have some old Alpine Light lenses I bought a few years back which are
glass and seem to have no tint.  However, it seems that later Land-Rovers'
Alpine Lights were more darkly tinted and made of plexiglass.  Anyone know
anything about this?  When was the change made?  Or is this just my
imagination?  Thanks for your help.

Brian

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:38:35
Subject: wrong prince 8^)

Bill,  I got the  wrong prince but he is still more german than greek, or
are all greek princes really german? I also didn't know that about Bill
Clinton alais "The Groper" as in win one for the Groper 8^). Landy content,
Landy content well let me see did I tell you about my Land-Rovers' name?
VICKY. I haven't been to school ( scccchhool ) for years unless you count
these Adobe Photoshop classes I have been taking, they really don't touch
on the monarchy much in those.

Jim Wolf    DON'T FORGET THE MID-ATLANTIC PHOTOS, ESPICALLY THE FIRST ONE!!!

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From: landie@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:06:02 -0500
Subject: Selectro Guts

We ordered the following parts from Mile Marker in Florida
(800-426-8646) last year :

spring: p/n 501.109.10 $2.00
cam: p/n 501.107.52TF $6.00
gear: p/n 504.104.52 $16.00

The three metal cams are now one plastic piece.

Lori & John Sickley

'74 lll 88"
'87 RR
'61 llA 109"

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:37:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Welsh Car Manufacturers

   On 2 April,  you asked if there were any car manufacturers from Wales.
Gilbern comes to mind, located in Pontypridd, South Wales. Production began
in 1959 and lasted until 1977. The early cars were produced complete but
were also available as "component cars", meaning they could be assembled by
the owner, who generally provided the driveline and suspension components
from a suitable donor. In the Colonies, this is referred to as a "kit car".
This allowed the owner to avoid a sizeable purchase tax commonly levied on
new cars. Later production became more sophisticated but eventually Gilbern
faded from the marketplace, the last model produced being a Ford powered Mk
III Invader.
     You had to ask, didn't you?
                                                  Hank Rutherford
                                               1963 Turner "component car"
                                               1965 SerIIa swb "component
Land-Rover"
>From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:53:00 -0500
Subject: True Brits

How far back do we want to go with our heritage. I think the true Brits, as
in the Britons, all moved to Wales and took cover behind Offa's Dyke (If
it's politically correct to call her that these days) when the Romans moved
in. Are there any Welsh car makers?

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From: Matt <nl7uz@ptialaska.net>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:31:33 -0900
Subject: Re: Time Warp Sighting

Just curious Rick;
Where are the drilled holes? Are there any between the two top vents?
where under the dash? And what is there vin on your rig? My rig may have the
same history!
The previous owner (in Dawson creek BC) mentioned the rig might have been used
in the oil exploration business, but was a little vague!
I would greatly appreciate a response!
Matt--- Juneau, Alaska
1961 SII 88'   "Bucky The Wonder Horse"

Rick Grant wrote:

> I think I might have seen my Sll as it was in 1959/60 and if not then one
> that was her sister.
> Last night I was watching a 1960 National Film Board documentary about
> oilworkers set in the Swan Hills area of Alberta.  This was the period when
> there were only a couple of rigs working in the area just before the big oil
> strike.
> Well in one part of the doc a rival oil company sends in a scout to spy on a
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 33 lines)]
> Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
> Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:22:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Reply Times??

Mike Smith wrote:

> Give me the "rule of thumb", if there is one, so I know if I need to adjust
> the time I spend at the keyboard. .
 Personally, I wouldn't write a 4-5 page e-mail, and/or expect a reply 
immediatly. Just add a disclaimer to the end of your e-mail to expect a 
reply within 5 days, or 2 weeks, or whatever, and try to stick with it. 
If you get back to someone within that period, the customer will think 
he's getting the Royal treatment, any longer and your name's Mud. Setting 
parameters lets the customer know up front what to expect and doesn't 
leave him with a feeling he's being mistreated. Sort of along the lines 
of letting him know what a particular part will cost, or how long a job 
will take and sticking with that price/time. BTDT !

Cheers Mike !

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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