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From: Lenny Warren <lwarren@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:20:00 +0000
Subject: Updated web page.

Hi there,

Just to let you know my web pages have been updated. Have a look at the URL
below and see what you think. Leave a message on my guestbook or mail me
with your comments. There is a whole new section on the Somerset Light
Infantry, good image of my grandfathers call up papers and an interesting
Timeline.

Thanks, hear from you soon.
 
Catch you later,
Lenny...

                  Lenny Warren, Strathaven, Scotland.             
                  e-mail: lwarren@zetnet.co.uk  
                  www: http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/8160

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:51:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Koenig Winch Info....

Peter & Julie Rosvall wrote:
> For those on the list that have & use Koenig winchs, What size cable
> is most common and how much will fit on the reel? The sales
> information that I have says a 5/16" strand @ approx. 150' ,but I've
> heard of others using 3/8" and 1/2". What are people using> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Rosvall

Peter  the Konig was rated for 4000 lbs in order to protect the drive
line and should have a shear pin of the correct strength so that this
will not be exceeded. This being the case 5/16 cable is more than
sufficient and will allow a greater length to carried on the drum.
I use 5/16 cable on my 8000 lb Warn and have few problems.
   John and Muddy

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From: "David Lee" <djflee@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:27:42 +0100
Subject: Scotland Land Rover Rental

Karl Kurtz asked about LR rental in the Aberdeen area.
Your best bet is probably to contact Town & County - the Aberdeen LR dealer
on 01224 871219 and try to persuade them to let you rent a used one.
Alternatively Frank Ogg and Sons of Aberlour 01340 871505 are further away
but will go out of their way to be helpful.
About 5 miles west of Aberdeen on the main road to Inverness I have seen a
Disco with a "Rent Me" sign in the back window. I don't know when I'll next
be out that way but when I do I'll post the number.

Sorry I can't be of any more help

Dave Lee
Tearie
Scotland
SIII 109 Safari
(You could borrow it but a friend is buying it to cross Africa in July)

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:49:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 88 brake improvement

The recent discussion on brakes has got me thinking about how to improve
the braking of my 88, which is less than awe-inspiring.  For several
hundred dollars, I can fit 11" brakes from a 109.  It strikes me that if I
am going to spend that sort of money, I should be able to fit disks.  I
have never heard of such a thing, and of people fitting RR or Defender
axles to get disk brakes.  Does this mean that no one makes a disk brake
conversion? 

David/mr sinclair

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From: Sski3 <Sski3@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:53 EST
Subject: Exhuast problem

Hi;first time on the list. I'm trying to install a new exhaust system on a SII
88and the problem is, I can't get the front pipe to clear the PTO and drive
shaft for the winch. Has anyone got a quick fix for this or do I have to pull
the PTO and shafts? Thanks in advance

Steve Falkowski
Merrimack, NH 
69 SII 88
65 SII 88 needing help
75 TR6,79TR7

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From: Sski3 <Sski3@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:47:11 EST
Subject: Exhaust problem

Hi; first time to the list. I'm trying to install a new system on my SII 88
which has a PTO winch . The problem is that the front pipe won't go in because
the PTP is in the way. I cut the old system out. Has anyone got a quick fix
for this or do I have to drop the PTO and the drive shafts to get the new one
in? Thanks in advance

Steve Falkowski
Merrimack, NH
69 SII 88
65 SII 88

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From: Elwyny <Elwyny@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:08:27 EST
Subject: Engine Problems

Hi All

In mention to my previous email, 2.25 Petrol/Diesel Swap, the engine i had was
a S3 2.25 petrol.  I managed to somehow seize it (I think).  I was driving
along, as y'do, and found i was loosing power rapidly.  As i was nearing a
laypy i put the clutch in to pull in and the red ignition light came on, the
engine ceased and i coasted in.  All future attempts to start it resulted in
the started motor sounding as if it was trying to start in gear with the
brakes on.  I left it and went to work.  I managed to get it towed by a freind
with a Stage-One (enough pulling power!), home, and after taking out of gear
he tried to turn it - and couldnt.  The thing is, i checked the oil & water 4
days previous and they were both ok, mpg is tagging at around 14-18 anyway...
So, my Landrover Series 3 Lightweight Hardtop is now drive furniture until i
replace the engine or fix it.  Any points and thoughts would be helpful at
this stage.  Money is always a problem, but then again, so is a lot of other
things...

Elwyn York
Cambrian Coast, Wales

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From: Elwyny <Elwyny@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:08:34 EST
Subject: 2.25 Petrol/Diesel Swap

Hi Folks

One day, I'll get use to the everyday use of a landrover!  I've just managed
to seize up my current 2.25 petrol, due to a severe water loss i failed to
spot... it's only been in for 3 months! barely 1200 miles on the clock!

Anyway, as i will be replacing it (rather than leave it as a useless ornament
on the drive) i have a freind who might sell me one of his LR 2.25 Diesels and
i was wondering if anyone could tell me a bit about it, the good and bad
points, and anything i need to take into consideration, like pulling power,
consumption, use etc.

I would be most greatful.

Elwyn York
Temporarily Disabled..... :-(

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:24:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Koenig Winch Info....

> Date:          Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:51:16 -0400
> From:          john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Reply-to:      lro@playground.sun.com
> To:            lro@playground.sun.com
> X-To:          lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:       Re: Koenig Winch Info....

> Peter  the Konig was rated for 4000 lbs in order to protect the drive
> line and should have a shear pin of the correct strength so that this
> will not be exceeded. This being the case 5/16 cable is more than
> sufficient and will allow a greater length to carried on the drum.
> I use 5/16 cable on my 8000 lb Warn and have few problems.

The sales info that I have claims that the winch (Model LR-592) has a 
pulling capcity of 8000lbs. 

The cable that they spec is a 6x19 c/w hemp center. What is available 
to me to use is a 7x19 1/4" or 7x19 3/8". Should I size down because 
I have an extra 19 strand (instead of the hemp) to 1/4" or should I 
go heavy duty and go up to 3/8"

Peter

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 17:34:00 -0800
Subject: Re: 88 brake improvement

;>The recent discussion on brakes has got me thinking about how to improve
;>the braking of my 88, which is less than awe-inspiring.  For several
;>hundred dollars, I can fit 11" brakes from a 109.  It strikes me that 
if I
;>am going to spend that sort of money, I should be able to fit disks.  I
;>have never heard of such a thing, and of people fitting RR or Defender
;>axles to get disk brakes.  Does this mean that no one makes a disk brake
;>conversion? 

Its very doable.

There is a company in the UK that makes a coil spring frame for the 88.  
The disc brake axles fit properly.  You can get D90 braking and coil 
suspension.  But 109 dual power brakes are cheaper.

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:58:53 -0600
Subject: Door Seals

To all,

I have looked through the archives for info but never found a definitive
opinion.  Are the original door seals the end all be all?  I am considering
three options:

1) Original door seals about $200 for both doors!! RN and BP 
2) Atlantic british aftermarket seals $89
3) JC Whitney tubular w/flat backing per Terri Ann in the archives $ not
sure but cheap

I would love to hear opinions. 

Steve Fullwood
61 Ser II/IIA (bits o' both) 88" softtop

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:39:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Door Seals

Steve Fullwood considers the following options:
8<
> 1) Original door seals about $200 for both doors!! RN and BP
> 2) Atlantic british aftermarket seals $89
> 3) JC Whitney tubular w/flat backing per Terri Ann in the archives $ not
>    sure but cheap
8<

I'd add to that the option of putting on the Defender Station Wagon door seals. 
This requires grinding on the door frame a bit, but I've seen the finished
result and it's quite nice.  It's supposed to be easier than the originals or
aftermarket copies thereof.  

Having said that, the Green Rover is a fine machine, and if TeriAnn says
something works well, then you can bet your sweet ass it does.  

C

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:03:56 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

Peter Thoren replied on 27 Mar 1998:
> The tire size is 7.50x16 but could an incorrect speedo against tire size
> really influence the reading as much as 30% ?

It depends on the speedo ratio that is installed !

Actually, I negelected to mention that if you follow the attached information 
for calculating the correct speedo ratio, it wouldn't matter if a change had 
been made to the diffs as you just plug in the value into the equation as shown.

I had the benefit of reading Bill's post along with your problem :-)

So, back by popular demand:

The speedo bible according to Bill Leacock, 23 Apr 1997. 

: If you look at the front dial on a Smiths or jaeger speedometer you will
: note a model number followed by 3 or 4 figures. These latter figures
: represent the number of revolutions per mile that the speedo cable makes.
: For a 88 fitted with 600 x 16 tyres the number is around 1500 ( some later
: ones were 1536 ) and for a LWB fitted with 7.50 x 16 tyres the number is 1400.
:  Now whenever you change the gearing in any way ( except overdrive or high
: ratio transfer gears ) you can use this data to change the speedo. For
: example if you put 3.54 differentials in place of 4.7 the calculation is (
: for 7.50 tyres ) 1400 / 4.7 x 3.54  = 1054. So go round the scrap yard
: looking at british cars that have smiths speedos and find one with a number
: closer to this, it will be more accurate than the standard. All kinds of
: fancy shapes can be found, rectangular elliptic etc. There are certain
: standard ratios available,I can't remember them all> I think the Range rover
: was 1000, so was the Triumph 2000 car, the Triumph Herald had some at 1400 (
: good for 7.50 tyres ) etc .
:  So when you use a @#$$%^ gearbox, check the speedo cable ratio change and
: change the speedo. Alternatively I think some of the specialist shops will
: recalibrate the instrument and put in the nearest ratio for the miles
: travelled bits. The Speedo part change is relatively simple for them.
: 

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:39:34 +0200
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

I went out to check the figures on my Jaeger speedo and it says 880 which
is 37% less than the original 1400 for 7.50 tyres. If I have understod you
correct this would be the source of under reading in my LR and the under
reading would then be 37% ? It sounds a little bit high but its in the
right size range. If this is correct I better get out there to find myself
a 1400 speedometer!

/Peter

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:49:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

Something just crossed my mind. I live in Sweden and we dont use miles, we
use kilometers. One kilometer is 37,8% shorter than an english mile... This
is most likely the cause for the difference in speedo number.

/Peter

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:26:58 +0000
Subject: Re: 88 brake improvement

Well, my emails coming through in drips & drabs...   (it crashed over the
weekend)

I think I remember reading somewhere that a disk brake conversion implied
new axles and coil sprung at the same time...

A few hundred dollars sounds a lot, but I guess there's the US factor, and
the bits add up.
I remember reading something in LRW about 2yrs ago on doing this to a
Lightweight. They only
converted the front brakes.    I used the article as reference when I was
redoing my front ones (the photos were handy! - I was a newby) - so it
would April/March-ish 96?

The rear brakes on a 109" are single cylinder. The front can be single
apparently, but I have double cylinder.
So, UK prices for a front axle:

Shoes               15 quid?
Cylinders          10 quid each
Back plates     - no idea - 5-10 quid each?
Drums              - 10-20 quid each?
Hoses/pipes   - <20 quid for a front axle  (depending on how much you do).

Yes, I can see it adding up for a full set!
You might be able to flog your old stuff, and maybe get new drums 2ndhand
in good nick?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

david@infocom.com on 03/29/98 10:49:32 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  88 brake improvement

The recent discussion on brakes has got me thinking about how to improve
the braking of my 88, which is less than awe-inspiring.  For several
hundred dollars, I can fit 11" brakes from a 109.  It strikes me that if I
am going to spend that sort of money, I should be able to fit disks.  I
have never heard of such a thing, and of people fitting RR or Defender
axles to get disk brakes.  Does this mean that no one makes a disk brake
conversion?
David/mr sinclair

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:29:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Snails - half the right stuff

;>>OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that all
eight
;>>of the shoes are locked against the drums?
;>Yes, typical misadjustment. Unfortunatley TA, you credit our poor
;>little 88's
;>with much more braking power than they really have...only four
;>adjusters on and 88...I guess it could be eight if there were
;>two rovers though.
>REALLY?  When are you 88 owners going to get rid of those toy brakes of
>yours and replace them with late 109 brakes.  109's have eight adjusters,
>one for each shoe.
>Sigh, I keep getting tripped up by the light duty stuff they put on 88s

Yep, I thought it was a common conversion - esp. for the V8-ifiers.
Bigger brakes too - as well as sensible snails!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
PS: DNS Server down over the weekend - not sure if "delayed" mail bounced
or
was delayed.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:30:29 +0000
Subject: RE: A drum full of snails

I see.

Sounds an odd arrangement.

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Paul_Quin@pml.com on 03/27/98 05:15:10 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  RE: A drum full of snails

Richard writes:
     >I haven't taken an 88" system apart, presumably there's one
snail cam per
     shoe?<

Nope, just one cam.  It controls the leading shoe's position.  Perhaps
someone could explain why the trailing shoe doesn't need one??
Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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