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1 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 18Re: brake problem on SIIa
2 Paul Wakefield - Serco [20Re: Fairey vs. Toro
3 Paul Wakefield - Serco [23Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)
4 "MARY THOMSON" [denthoms22Re: brake problem on SIIa
5 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 32More Mercruisers
6 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 29Master mystery
7 jimallen@onlinecol.com (10Re: Fairey vs. Toro
8 Peter [nosimport@mailbag25Re: Master mystery
9 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o20Re[2]: brake problem on SIIa
10 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o25Re: General Question
11 Matt Abercrombie [maa08118high ratio transfer case
12 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o16Re[2]: brake problem on SIIa
13 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa52re: Use of clutches
14 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o16last message/part needed
15 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml14A drum full of snails
16 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd29Re: A drum full of snails
17 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml18RE: A drum full of snails
18 David Scheidt [david@inf22Re: A drum full of snails
19 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa49re: repair ethics
20 David Scheidt [david@inf35Breakdowns
21 Peter Thoren [Peter.Thor37Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)
22 Jarvis 64 [Jarvis64@aol.11GREAT ADVICE
23 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 16Re: GREAT ADVICE
24 jessee@FRC2.FRC.RI.CMU.E18Re: INSURANCE WOES
25 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@rc138 snails per...
26 "William L. Leacock" [wl34Brakes
27 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com40Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)
28 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa25Re: last message/part needed
29 "d.h.lowe" [dhlowe@idire23Re: high ratio transfer case
30 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy15Carb Problem
31 IBEdwardp [IBEdwardp@aol17Re: Carb Problem
32 TeriAnn Wakeman [twakema29Snails - half the right stuff
33 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b19FC101 - Now I've seen everything!!
34 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b13=?iso-8859-1?Q?Inverted=A0_Mercruiser's?=
35 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [23=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Inverted=A0_Mercruiser's?=


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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:45:32 EST
Subject: Re: brake problem on SIIa

In a message dated 3/26/98 9:33:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
twakeman@cruzers.com writes:

 of the shoes are locked against the drums? >>
Hi Rick,

I agree with TeriAnn.  I think the shoes are not close enough to the drum and
it's taking 1 pump to get them close enough that the second pump leads to
contact.  Could be snail cams or (as in my case) the drums may have been
turned before and oversized shoes used. 

Nate

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:24:27 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Fairey vs. Toro

Ian Boddison wrote on Thu, 26 Mar 1998:

> The way I drive is to start off in 1st (o/d out) then 2nd then
> 3rd then 3rd+o/d then (the interesting one) grab both main and o/d lever and
> in one move change to 4th (o/d out) then finally go to 4th+o/d.

This is indeed an interesting one, how exactly do you move two gear levers 
simultaneously whilst keeping one hand on the steering wheel !?!

With contortions like that you could work in a circus. :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:45:37 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

Peter Thoren wrote Fri, 27 Mar 1998 :

> I recently bought a series3 Landrover with a high ratio transfer case
> already installed. 
> In my LR the speedo constantly shows 30% lower speed than actual. Is it
> possible for me to fix this in an easy manner?

You don't specify your tyre size on the vehicle. The under reading could be an 
incorrect choice of speedo against tyre size.

If Bill Leacock doesn't mind me regurgitating one of his excellent posts on the 
subject, I will re post his reply from last April re: ratios, LWB/SWB and 
calculating the correct speedo RPM/Mile ratios.

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:04:12 -0500
Subject: Re: brake problem on SIIa

Brake cylinder travel is too great. If this is the case your drums are
oversized and the linings do not match.  You must have the least
wheel/cylinder travel as possible.
 Peter  (Kangaroo)

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> From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: brake problem on SIIa
> Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 9:31 PM
> ;>Ok, hear goes.   I have a `63 SIIa 88'' that has had new  brake 
> cylinders,

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 28 lines)]
> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:34:14 -0500
Subject: More Mercruisers

>john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>

>I have been following the posts on the Mercruiser engine swap but call
>me slow or some thing but I don't recall any one mentioning where they
>come from. Is it a decendant of the diesel that Land Rover sold to
>Mercury for marine use?

It's actually a decendant of the Chevy/GM "Iron Duke" engine.  Robert found
a stash at a marina.  However, the bit that you don't see is that he's had
a new cam created for 'em.  The original marine application was designed to
run at a constant speed all day - powering a boat - so the torque curve
wasn't quite what you'd want in a vehicle.  With the cam improvements and a
bit of tweaking (porting and polishing) Robert says you might be able to
coax 160 hp outta it, though I find it a bit disconcerting to be hurtling
along at 75 mph in a 30 year old 109, passing all the traffic on the
Interstate.  My all-time 'speed record' in the 88 is only 77 - downhill off
the Continental Divide, in neutral with a tail-wind! :-)  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:02:08 -0500
Subject: Master mystery

Marin Faure <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com> wrote:

>Cold(er) outside air flows into the engine compartment through the gap
>between the hood (bonnet) and fender (wing).

>Over time, this heating and sudden cooling causes the plastic to
>discolor, harden, and craze at the point where the cold air hits it.
>When my original reservoir failed, most of the container was just fine;
>the only place that crazed and finally cracked was the front left
>corner.

Hmmm...interesting concept.  I always assumed it was ultraviolet
degradation, as only the *upper, outside* surface crazed and cracked.
Never considered  thermal stresses....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:58:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Fairey vs. Toro

Why the debates over Toro vs Fairey? I thought that the Toro is a long gone
bit of kit, or am I incorrect?

        Jim Allen

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From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:25:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Master mystery

At 10:02 AM 3/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Marin Faure <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com> wrote:
>>Cold(er) outside air flows into the engine compartment through the gap
>>between the hood (bonnet) and fender (wing).
>	[ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
>>the only place that crazed and finally cracked was the front left
>>corner.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>degradation, as only the *upper, outside* surface crazed and cracked.
>Never considered  thermal stresses....
And here I thought I was the only one w/ a cracked reservoir. Mudded it up
w/ silicone sealant, hasn't leaked in 3 years.

Peter
'60 109SW
'64 88
'70 88 (in pieces)
'73 88 (driver)

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 08:54:54 EST
Subject: Re[2]: brake problem on SIIa

>OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that all eight 
>of the shoes are locked against the drums?

Yes, typical misadjustment. Unfortunatley TA, you credit our poor little 88's 
with much more braking power than they really have...only four adjusters on and 
88...I guess it could be eight if there were two rovers though.
There are two other possibilities though, and these are 1.drums or drum worn to 
where the shoes cannot be adjusted properly. (Unlikely since they are new 
shoes) 2. Return springs installed incorrectly.

Do try adjusting them though.

cheers
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 09:00:37 EST
Subject: Re: General Question

>My name is Justin Omps and I just bouht my first Land Rover about a 
>month ago.  She's a '71 88' Series IIa.  I live in Williamsburg, 
>Virginia

Justin. 
Welcome. There are several *fine* organizations which you can join in VA 
that will keep you in the mud. Rover OWners Assoc. of VA is run by Sandy 
grice. Email him at Rover@pinn.net. for more info. ROAV has small 
"chapters" that meet once in a while although I suspect that involves 
more eating and drinking then it does off roading, but I could be wrong. 
We have a Northern VA group called mOstly Metro that does pretty much the 
same thing. There are a ton of palces to go wheeling in VA. Look on the 
web, talk to people on the lists, join some clubs. Actually I think the 
Blue Ridge Land Rover Club do alot of off-roading. Not sure how to reach 
them but point your web browser in their direction, or ask Sandy...

Cheers
Dave Bobeck
Arlington VA

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From: Matt Abercrombie <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:33:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: high ratio transfer case

Hello people,
Has anyone on the list had any experience with swapping the high ratio gears
in their transfer case?  I was considering an overdrive, then Dave from
Ashcroft Auto Conversions mentioned that they sell a kit that gives a 31.8%
increase to high range only.  That sounds pretty good to me, except I am
skeptical that this would be a nice configuration for off-road use.  
Experiences?
Input?
Thanks-
Matt Abercrombie
maa0818@rit.edu
'69 SWB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:47:03 EST
Subject: Re[2]: brake problem on SIIa

OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that all eight 
of the shoes are locked against the drums?

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail 
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start 
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" 
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:52:28 -0800
Subject: re: Use of clutches

From: "Ian Boddison" <bod.glass@easynet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:15:08 -0000
Subject: Use of clutches

>With all this talk of overdrives can I get the panels opinion on a
driving
style.  With regard only to the stresses and wear that is going to be
put onto the
mechanical components,   which is better - to use the clutch or not.

It depends on your driving style.  If you engage the clutch with the
engine already revving up, you'll get clutch slip on every upshift which
can fairly rapidly wear it out.  Same thing if you do a lot of
downshifting.  If you engage the clutch before accelerating, matching
the engine and driven plate speeds fairly closely each time, a clutch
can last a long, long time.  I have about 140K miles on my Ford F250
pickup which is equipped with the 4-speed with the super-low first gear.
I have used it for years to pull and launch a 3,000+ pound boat, haul
loads of dirt, etc.  It still has its original clutch and so far as I
can tell it's in good shape.

When I removed the transmission from my 1973 Series III to have it
overhauled I took the opportunity to replace the clutch.  At the time
the vehicle had over 100K miles on it.  However, the old clutch showed
very little signs of wear so I kept it as a spare.  The fellow who
overhauled the transmission thought there was probably another 100K
miles left in the clutch based on the amount of wear after the first
100K miles.  But I'm a very conservative driver when it comes to the
actual operation of a vehicle.  I rarely slow down using a downshift, as
I believe brake shoes (or pads) are a hell of a lot easier and cheaper
to replace then a clutch.  I would never shift without using the clutch
as the risk of "missing" a shift and chipping a gear tooth or damaging a
syncro-ring is too great.

I suppose if you like to upshift fast and maximize acceleration (sort of
a futile undertaking in a Series Land Rover I think), shifting without
using the clutch might work better for you.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:50:49 EST
Subject: last message/part needed

errr....disregarrd last message...pressed wrong button.

Does anybody have a good series front bumper? Must be original not aftermarket, 
they are too thin. I'm in the MD/DC/VA area and i'm looking for one that's 
straight and the mounting holes aren't rusted away.
thanks
DaveB

dbobeck@ushmm.org or
daves_trip@yahoo.com

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:00:01 -0800
Subject: A drum full of snails

	<< OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that
all eight 
	 of the shoes are locked against the drums? >>

I think that 88's just have one snail cam per drum.  That would make
four (4) snail cams right?

Paul.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:07:56 +0000
Subject: Re: A drum full of snails

I haven't taken an 88" system apart, presumably there's one snail cam per
shoe?

One arrangement would be to have an expander like in the handbrake. Ie. one
expander for both shoes.  This wouldn't be a snail cam though?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Paul_Quin@pml.com on 03/27/98 05:00:01 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  A drum full of snails

     << OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that
all eight
      of the shoes are locked against the drums? >>

I think that 88's just have one snail cam per drum.  That would make
four (4) snail cams right?
Paul.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:15:10 -0800
Subject: RE: A drum full of snails

Richard writes:

	>I haven't taken an 88" system apart, presumably there's one
snail cam per
	shoe?<

Nope, just one cam.  It controls the leading shoe's position.  Perhaps
someone could explain why the trailing shoe doesn't need one??

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:21:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: A drum full of snails

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Richard Marsden wrote:

> I haven't taken an 88" system apart, presumably there's one snail cam per
> shoe?

No.  There is one snail cam per drum.  It adjusts the leading shoe, and
the trailing shoe just trails.  It is possible that the bottom of the
leading shoe changes the trailing shoes position, but I have never really
thought about it to much.  
Incidently, because I have never seen it mentioned here, and it confused
me, the snails are handed.  Turning them forward tightens the shoes.  This
is clockwise on the left hand side, but anti-clockwise on the right.  I
spent a bit of time trying to figure this out, having to take the drum
off, the first time I worked on the brakes.  

David/mr sinclair

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:39:03 -0800
Subject: re: repair ethics

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 17:17:23 EST
Subject: repair ethics

>> Marin has fixed the 'minor' problems long before they've had the
chance 
>to become 'major' (not just hidden the symptoms) - probably a good
lesson 
>for us all certainly on the big-ticket items :-)

>oh, pooh pooh. Drive em till they break! Fix when it gets warm out...
Some of my best work has been done on the side of the road, or worse.
Nothing beats genuine parts like a good beer can and some duct tape!
No beer cans laying around? Just drink one...or two depending on the
size of 
the job...

I understand the humor (I assume it's humor) intended here.  But I must
say that in terms of money spent, I've spent less keeping my Land Rover
running for 25 years than I have my BMW 6-Series running for the five
years I've owned it.  While the BMW's original owner kept it in
beautiful shape physically, a lot of little mechanical problems were
allowed to continue uncorrected.  Within the first two years after I
bought it, I had to replace virtually every engine accessory, as well as
the entire brake system other than the lines themselves, all the clutch
hydraulics, the radiator, and so on.  Some of these items had simply
reached the end of their useful lives, but the vehicle had only 49K
miles on it when I got it, so some of the more expensive component
failures were due to neglect rather than age or mileage.  Driving them
till they break may save money in the short term, and if you don't
intend to keep the vehicle that long I guess it doesn't matter (first
rule of a film crew is "trash the rental").  But if you intend to keep
the vehicle a long time, it sure pays to fix the little things before
they turn into big things.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:41:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Breakdowns

I broke a half shaft last night.  What was intersting about it was where
Mr.  Sinclair should decide to breakdown -- the exact same place that he
has every other time he has donw something that requires immediate
attention, namely the parking lot of the local drug store.  

The first time was four days after I bought him.  We had nearly finished
the 2300 mile journey from LA.  I stopped get something or other, and when
I came back, he wouldn't start.  Popped the bonnet, and see that the
thermostat bypass hose had sprang a nasty leak, which was pointed at
bonnet just above the distributor.  I was able to fix that pretty quickly,
there being an autoparts place in the same lot.  Only damage done was that
I missed the last train into the city, so I couldn't get to the airport to 
retrieve my other car.

The next was also coming into town after a fairly long trip, at night.
Came back, and the batter was flat.  Pushed him around the parking lot for
several minutes before he started.   Starting handles are a good thing...

Last night was the last time.  backed out of the parking spot, went to go 
forward. Pop! and no movement.  Had to get out and lock the hubs.  I hope
I didn't break something expensive on the way home.  (It is only a few
thousand feet.

In each case, the thing could have chosen to have broken somewhre massivly
inconvient, but didn't.  My toyota, which just works until it requires
very expensive repairs, always manages to break at the most inconvient
times, usually when I am on the road.  

David

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:45:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

At 14:45 1998-03-27 +0100, you wrote:
>Peter Thoren wrote Fri, 27 Mar 1998 :
>> I recently bought a series3 Landrover with a high ratio transfer case
>> already installed. 
>> In my LR the speedo constantly shows 30% lower speed than actual. Is it
>> possible for me to fix this in an easy manner?
>You don't specify your tyre size on the vehicle. The under reading could

be an 
>incorrect choice of speedo against tyre size.
>Cheers,
>Paul.
>> In my LR the speedo constantly shows 30% lower speed than actual. Is it
>> possible for me to fix this in an easy manner?
The tire size is 7.50x16 but could an incorrect speedo against tire size
really influence the reading as much as 30% ?

/Peter

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:08:35 EST
Subject: GREAT ADVICE

I MAY NOT BE THE BRIGHTEST BULB IN THE CHANDELIER BUT I HAVE TRIED CAPS LOCK
THANKYOU.  IF CAPS LOCK WERE STUCK ON MY PERIODS WOULD BE PERIODS INSTEAD OF >
AND MY THREES WOULD BE THREES INSTEAD OF #

BILL

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:16:16 EST
Subject: Re: GREAT ADVICE

In a message dated 3/27/98 3:13:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jarvis64@aol.com
writes:

<< I MAY NOT BE THE BRIGHTEST BULB IN THE CHANDELIER BUT I HAVE TRIED CAPS
LOCK
 THANKYOU.  IF CAPS LOCK WERE STUCK ON MY PERIODS WOULD BE PERIODS INSTEAD OF
<< I MAY NOT BE THE BRIGHTEST BULB IN THE CHANDELIER BUT I HAVE TRIED CAPS
 AND MY THREES WOULD BE THREES INSTEAD OF # >>

Maybe your computer has been setup for use with the hard of hearing/reading?

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From: jessee@FRC2.FRC.RI.CMU.EDU (Jesse Easudes)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:23 -0500
Subject: Re: INSURANCE WOES

Russ, 

Sorry i missed the last get together, but i was out of town.

Anyway i am looking to get my insurance.  You had recommended StateFarm and i 
was wondering if you
have a particular agent you use.  I thought it might be easier for me to go 
through them as they will already be FARMiliar with this type of vehicle.

Thanks for any help, 

jesse

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From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@rc.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:56:16 -0800
Subject: 8 snails per...

If you have eight snails, it means that either you don't have a clue to 
your wheelbase, or that sonmebody swapped the backing plates out of a 109 
onto your 88.  (Been done around here...)  

BTW, http://www.british-car-films.com.  Seems that the video that Mr. 
Jabez was making a couple of years ago when he travelled across the USA 
is done and available.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:00:55 -0500
Subject: Brakes

;>Ok, hear goes.   I have a `63 SIIa 88'' that has had new  brake 
cylinders,
;>lines, shoes,master cylinder , and it has been bleed countless times. 
However
;>when the pedal is applied there is no pressure until the second time 
down(at
;>this point the pedal is solid not spongey) , but it goes back to no 
pressure
;>after 10-15 seconds if your not using the brake.   any thoughts????????

OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that all eight 
of the shoes are locked against the drums?
 Teri Ann the 88 swb has only one adjuster per brake, it is fitted to the
leading shoe only.  109's have adjusters for each shoe.

 Since the brakes have been replaced, have you put the springs in correctly
? The top spring goes from the leading shoe to the peg on the backplate, not
between both shoes. Fitting the spring between both shoes could cause your
problems.
 Are the pivot points fixed and in good order ? loose pivot points cause
adjustment problems.
 The pedal travel implies that the cylinders are trravelling a long way
before the shoes contact the drums or thatthe master cylinder is not moving
enough fluid.   What size cylinders have you used ?   Fronts should be 1.25"
dia, rears should be 1 inch dia.  Is the master cylinder rod adjusted to
give maximum stroke ? 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:57:30 EST
Subject: Re: Speedo Under reading (was: Overdrives)

In a message dated 3/27/98 1:52:22 PM, you wrote:

>The tire size is 7.50x16 but could an incorrect speedo against tire size
>really influence the reading as much as 30% ?

Only if you put those low profile, rice-boy-car* type tyres on; maybe those
are 30% shorter than 7.50s! (then they'd read higher, right?)

It may actually be inside the speedo itself. The needle is connected to a
bowl-shaped metal thing, iside of which a magnet spins. The magnet spins when
the cable is turned by forward motion, and the magnetic attraction between the
spinning magnet and the metal bowl makes the bowl want to go in the same
direction as the magnet, and there's a kind of magnetic-drag that makes the
bowl rotate, so the needle moves.

I know there's got to be someone who can describe it in detail, more
scientifically, I just understand how it works by disassembling my VW speedo.

Anyway, the bowl part may need lubricating, or if someone put it back together
wrong, they may have put too much pre-load on the coil spring that returns the
needle to zero which means the magnet can't drag the bowl as much as it wants
to...

good luck, hope you don't get speeding tickets (hahaha)...

--pat.

*no offense meant to anyone, I'm just referring to those cars you see with
japanese stickers all over them and really small, wide tires and "fog-lights"
all over the front, oh yeah, I forgot, a muffler off of a city bus scraping
along going <bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...> The VIN registry lists a NAS 110 (in
Switzerland?)that has had it done to it?!
See: <A HREF="http://sdcc10.ucsd.edu/~bmhong/riceboy/">Bryan's Rice-Boy Page
</A> - http://sdcc10.ucsd.edu/~bmhong/riceboy/

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From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:26:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: last message/part needed

>errr....disregarrd last message...pressed wrong button.
>Does anybody have a good series front bumper? Must be original not
>aftermarket,
>they are too thin. I'm in the MD/DC/VA area and i'm looking for one that's
>straight and the mounting holes aren't rusted away.
>thanks
>DaveB
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>dbobeck@ushmm.org or
>daves_trip@yahoo.com

If you are going to be that picky why don't you just have someone make you
a bumper/winchmount??

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:37:34 -0500
Subject: Re: high ratio transfer case

 The Ashcroft conversion leaves the low range the same. That`s the neat part
about his transfer box.He takes a Series II  small shaft box and bores it for
the large shaft, but offsets it to take his new gear set. I have one for a V8 I
am building.......saves swapping the diffs.

Matt Abercrombie wrote:

> Hello people,
> Has anyone on the list had any experience with swapping the high ratio gears
> in their transfer case?  I was considering an overdrive, then Dave from
> Ashcroft Auto Conversions mentioned that they sell a kit that gives a 31.8%
> increase to high range only.  That sounds pretty good to me, except I am
> skeptical that this would be a nice configuration for off-road use.
> Experiences?
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> maa0818@rit.edu
> '69 SWB

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From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:15:34 -0800
Subject: Carb Problem

I have a 1969 Ser IIA with the Solex on it.  The problem I am having is
that when I let the machine sit for a day, the gas seems to have drained
out and I have to turn it over quite a few times to get it started.  I
thing the gas is running out into the engine or mabe it is getting out
some other way.  Does anyone have this problem or have had it and cured
it.  I just put on a new mechanical fuel pump because the electrical one
had too much pressure and I thought that might have had some influence
on the problem.  It runs fine once it gets started.
Dave VE4PN

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From: IBEdwardp <IBEdwardp@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:56:29 EST
Subject: Re: Carb Problem

In a message dated 98-03-27 20:16:22 EST, you write:

<< The problem I am having is
 that when I let the machine sit for a day, the gas seems to have drained
 out and I have to turn it over quite a few times to get it started. >>
I have the same problem on my 66 IIa.  I just pump the little gizmo on the
mechanical fuel pump 3 or 4 times and it fires right up!

Ed Bailey
66 IIa SWB
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 18:52:40 -0800
Subject: Snails - half the right stuff

;>>OK what  happens if you adjust a eight (8) snail cams so that all 
eight 
;>>of the shoes are locked against the drums?

;>Yes, typical misadjustment. Unfortunatley TA, you credit our poor 
;>little 88's 
;>with much more braking power than they really have...only four 
;>adjusters on and 88...I guess it could be eight if there were 
;>two rovers though.

REALLY?  When are you 88 owners going to get rid of those toy brakes of 
yours and replace them with late 109 brakes.  109's have eight adjusters, 
one for each shoe.

Sigh, I keep getting tripped up by the light duty stuff they put on 88s

TeriAnn Wakeman              I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California       Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com         If you send me direct mail, please start
www.cruzers.com/~twakeman    subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:33:18 +1000
Subject: FC101 -  Now I've seen everything!!

At the 1997 Street Machine Summer Nats in Canberra, there was a FC101 doing
burnouts.  The 1997 Street Machine Summer Nats No. 11 mag has a photo.  I've
scanned it and can send it to anyone interested.  It's 18kb in JPEG format.
I won't post it to my web pages.

Don't ask me how he kept the front wheels of the 101 stationery whilst
burning rubber at the rear - after all, it is a constant 4WD - at least it
should be.

Alan Logue commented:
>You should have heard it when he put the boot into it as he left Blinman
>It could almost be said to have sounded "orgasmic"
>Mind you, he was sitting on 2 HUGE LPG tanks to get around!

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:42:50 +1000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Inverted=A0_Mercruiser's?=

Paul. wrote:
>Should work well with that upside-down Australian fuel pump then eh?  ;-)

Nah, the reverse direction of the engine has something to do with Coriolis
effect e.g., water rotates the opposite way down the drain.

Ron

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:11:02 -1000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Inverted=A0_Mercruiser's?=

Marine engines that are designed to work in a two engine situation have
reversed direction of rotation.  This counteracts the torque effects of the
propellors.  You can buy marine engines that rotate in either direction,
all you have to do is ask.  It has nothing to do with those from oz always
being upside down.
Aloha Peter

At 03:42 PM 3/28/98 +1000, you wrote:
>Paul. wrote:
>>Should work well with that upside-down Australian fuel pump then eh?  ;-)
>Nah, the reverse direction of the engine has something to do with Coriolis
>effect e.g., water rotates the opposite way down the drain.
>Ron

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>effect e.g., water rotates the opposite way down the drain.
>Ron

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