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From: GcdoAK <GcdoAK@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:54:06 EST
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' - any body use this stuff ?

In a message dated 98-03-21 08:45:24 EST, you write:

 Bill, >>

I used to use the stuff on the Bitts (the part that you wrap a line around for
you non-nautical types) of the US Coast Guard motor life boat.  Stuff worked
well, and stood up to constant exposure to salt water for months.  We were
able to wear the stuff off of the tow bit when we hung a 100 ton boat off our
tow line for several hours in bad weather though.  The fix was just to take
some 220 grit sandpaper to the light rust that formed overnight and recoat at
least three layers.

Jon Stehn
GcdoAK@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:38:57 +0000
From: Axel Pawlik <axelpawlik@tinet.ie>
Subject: POR 15 availability in Europe?

Is that stuff available around here, I have not
seen any distributor info.

Axel

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:59:18 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: POR 15 availability in Europe?

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Axel Pawlik wrote:

> Is that stuff available around here, I have not
> seen any distributor info.
> Axel

As far as I know, they only sell there stuff directly, at least in the
U.S.  They have a website http://www.por15.com/ , which says they will
ship a catalog to Europe, which would lead me to think they would ship the
product too, shipping might be really expensive.  You might give them a
ring +1/973 887 1999 fax +1/973 887 8007. 

David

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:45:32 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Locking diffs.

Comments,observations ,ruminations,thoughts and experiences
(particularly experiences) are requested on the various types of
diff.lockers now on the market and available for our vehicles.
ARB......Kam......Quaife.....Gleason Torsen.....Detroit
Locker.....Detroit True Trac.
I am not looking for explanations of how these operate or of the
companies manufacturing them but of operating and in-service
experiences. We have to consider the standard diff and the Salisbury
diff. I would also like to hear from any one who has fitted an ARB( or
any other type) into a 101 Salisbury.(ar right,ar right Dixon and the
rest of you.Stop laughing.....so my memory is a bit slow...so. so.) For
some reason ARB salisbury type do not fit a 101 salisbury diff. due to
some internal difference which I have not had time to explore.
John C. ,..... Brett was telling me you have a detroit in  your rear
end......no let me re-phrase that .....you have fitted a detroit ? into
Muddy and I cannot remember if it has a Salis. or not.Any abnormal tire
wear or any negative comments? BTW it`s still snowing.
Ron B.in your sun drenched warmth. Whats the scoop down under.

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Subject: Rain story from my Aug-Nov'98 trip
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 11:19:40 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

I received a lot of direct mail saying how much people enjoyed my story 
about the known history of The Green Rover.

I thought I would share my response to someone on the West coast e-mail 
list when he told me it seldom rains in Arizona.  This is a story from a 
trip I made in the Green Rover through the Western United States and 
Canada.  August 22 through Nov 3, 1997

-------------------------------------------

>>On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>> Geee I don't get it.  I recently spend a couple of weeks in Arizona.  It 
>> rained about 2/3rds of the days.  One day a little North of Flagstaff it 
>> hailed real hard and it was cold enough that the windscreen was dry. 
>>  One of my wiper motors broke a nylon gear trying to push the heavy hail 
>> over a dry windscreen.  I had to move the wiper by hand for the next hour.
>When were you here?  July to August is Monsoon season, when we get half
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>of what we get up here at 7000' evaporates by the time it gets down there.
>They get less than 10" of rain a year.

Mid Oct. 1997  

Flagstaff was about as far South as I got. It rained both days 
I was in Flagstaff proper. The deadly hail was on the trip from Flagstaff 
to Monument valley.

Luckily, I swapped right and left wiper motors when I got to the Mittens 
campground in Monument valley.  Next morning I was following a jeep along 
a dirt road in Monument valley and decided it was fording a puddle in the 
road too slowly.  Besides A Land Rover should not be following a mere 
jeep.  

In an effort to show the jeep driver that real 4X4s shouldn't fear 
puddles, I pulled around the jeep and plunged through the desert puddle 
throwing an opaque wave of red slurry over the entire top of the 109.  It 
ended up being deeper than bumper depth.  Some desert you guys have 
there.  This totally shattered my illusion of deserts.  Of course I 
turned on the remaining wiper on and continued like I did that on 
purpose.  One shouldn't say ooopps in front of a Jeep.

I was in the Moab region for almost two weeks (I was allocating 3 days 
before I saw it).  It rained almost half the time I was there.  The 
trails in Arches were crossed by puddles every few feet.  

I spend one night in the Arches campground and was greeted with a morning 
fog as dense as any coastal fog.  I spent that morning doing fog 
photography.  One of the couples I talked with that morning was from San 
Francisco.  They said that they kept expecting to hear a fog horn.  
Though I will admit, after being inland for over a month I thought it 
was awfully thoughtful for someone to provide some genuine home style 
weather.

The worst short storm I have ever been in happened when I was on the 
White rim trail in Canyon lands.

 <A pause while I run to my trip journal and reread that part of the trip>

It was late afternoon and the clouds had been getting darker and darker. 
There was increasing thunder. I noticed several cars going by heading out 
but didn't think about it. As I got back into the car from taking a 
picture I noticed that up trail was no longer visible. 

Suddenly I was hit by a violent dust storm. Instantly the inside of my 
freshly resealed car was very thick with flying dust. I quickly shut my 
engine off to keep the dust out of the intake. The Rover was facing 
directly into a dust storm that was shaking her quite a bit. Visibility 
was zero. I was having bad thoughts about the sealing ability of new 
genuine Rover seals and about the survivability of a month in a half old 
paint job in a sand blaster.

About five or six minutes into this, the dust was replaced by a flood of 
water then sleet being pushed horizontally by a heavy wind. The wipers 
had no visible clearing effect. After about 20 minutes of this, the storm 
quieted into what I normally think of as a major lightning storm with 
high winds. I was able to see again... kinda. 

So I fired up the engine and crept along the trail looking for a 
sheltered space to call it a night.  During the search of a sheltered 
spot, I saw instant rivers appear throwing unbelievable volumes of water 
over the rim of the canyon. I found a spot a little ways away from the 
edge of the canyon that had an upwind ridge a few times taller than the 
Rover that I could tuck up against. 

If I had a new Defender this would have made the kind of TV infomercial 
that Rover would have killed to get.  Except no visible light camera 
could have penetrated the weather.

I put on the rain gear which was always sitting ready in the front. I 
went out into the deluge to remove the CB antenna and unlatch the 
exterior roof latches.  I did not want the long antenna acting like a 
lightning rod. I snuggled into my sheltered spot on high ground next to a 
higher upwind 
ridge as safe as I could make myself for the night.  

Once inside with the top popped, a tape in the stereo, and both 
fluorescent ceiling lamps lit, I changed into something dry and warm then 
fixed myself a nice dinner of salad, steamed broccoli and broiled flank 
steak as the car rocked violently from the storm.  Afterwards I sat in 
the back with a pint of ale and a good book trying to ignore near 
constant lightning,  heavy rain and a wind that was exercising my new 
shocks.  I was very happy that this happened after I modified the 
interior.  It would have been a cold hunk of bread and reading by 
flashlight while sitting on the floor.  I had been set up for cooking 
outside with an optional tarp for bad (?) weather.

 Of course during the night as I was trying to sleep with lightning 
flashing around, the car rocking from the wind and the noise of heavy 
rain and thunder, my mind started thinking of the canyon rim being only 
feet away and the wind knocking the car over on her side and down the 
canyon to the floor way, way down below (I don't do drop offs well). 

Morning dawned without a cloud around, my car still where I parked her 
about 50 feet away from the rim, and the rivers of water down to nothing. 
During the night, my imagination convinced me that it was only 5 feet or 
so away.

The duration of the storm was much less that the week or two of constant 
rain that I'm used to, but I was very, very impressed with its violence. 

You say it doesn't rain in Arizona????

Thanks for the inquiry.  I enjoyed reliving that experience again.  It 
was an experience that I cherish as a contrast to a life of sitting in an 
office in front of a computer.

Thanks & take care,

TeriAnn Wakeman             I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California      Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com        If you send me direct mail, please start
                            subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:54:54 -0600
Subject: HELP

I've just about had it. I can't get brakes on Sheila no matter what I do.
Here's what I got so far:

New shoes on all four corners.
New snail cams, all eight of 'em. 
Rebuilt all six slave cylinders
Rebuilt master cylinder
Power bled entire sustem till fresh, clean, Castrol GTLMA came out at
each fitting
Snail cams adjusted properly (even tried over-adjusting 'em)
It's still a double-pumper. I'm going to replace the soft lines next, any
other ideas? Is it possible that the soft lines are expanding enough to
do this? they don't seem all that old....  Any help would be greatly
appreciated. 

Mark

Robot1@juno.com
1967 109 regular "Sheila"

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:10:06 +0100
From: Johan Helsingius <Johan.Helsingius@EU.net>
Subject: Re: 20 years ago this month

TeriAnn,

>I had an absolutely wonderful time living in the Land Rover and following 
>my whims. I knew I had done the right things and most of my designs 
>worked better than I had hoped.

At times I doubt the wisdom of what I am doing with my ex-military 109"
carawagon (right now trying to refit a petrol stove), but then I think about
the feeling I used to get when motorcycling around europe with a small
trekking tent and a sleeping bag tied to the bike, or when waking up
beneath the wing of a Cessna 172 on some quiet little airstrip in the
middle of nowhere. And this time I don't have to worry about every extra
pound of weight! :)

>I dream of someday loading the Green Rover onto a ship and returning her 
>to the place of her birth for a visit, then perhaps drive through Europe 
>and then who knows where.

The grass is always greener... In the same way I dream of some day loading
the Commander's Caravan (*still* unnamed) on a ship and taking her to the
open spaces and mountains of the West. I still haven't adjusted to the
flatness and constant crowdedness of the Netherlands. But yes, first it 
will be back to where I found her, the green hills of England. 

>"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
>Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

Ummh, I should probably quote something from Antoine de Saint-Exupery. But
today the workshop manual and the instructions for the Coleman stove set
my level of literary appreciation... :)

	Julf

 - - - - - - - -

Johan "Julf" Helsingius, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
SIII 109" Carawagon Tactical Command Post (aka Commander's Caravan)

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:12:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Joseph Broach <broach@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: "Light Duty" Diesel Terms

>Could you speak to the pros and cons of using a Mercedes 300 I-5 on a 109.
>I've spoken to a mechanic familiar with LR's and with diesels who made the
>suggestion.

I have toyed with this idea before myself. My parents are MB diesel fans so
I've had some experience with them. These diesels are pretty much
indestructible and have a nice torque range and decent power for Landy use.
There are three of these engines worth considering if you could figure out
an adaptor. All were used in the W123 bodies.

2.4l I-4 -- Used on the 240d from '77-83 has a strong low end for its size.
pumps out about 70hp and 110 lb/ft torque at around 2000 rpm. Dad has one
with 230k and it still runs strong.

3.0l I-5 -- used on 300d from '77-8? similar to 2.4 with about 80hp and
significantly more torque.

3.0l I-5 turbo -- used on 300d starting around '83-'85 all the reliablity,
twice the power. Around 125hp and still torquey.

These cars are known to be towers and handle all sorts of abuse well. I
don't think you'd have trouble from a reliability standpoint. One potential
problem is that only the 2.4 was mated to a manual tranny in the U.S.,
although 4 and 5 speeds were used in Germany. The 3.0 was used in the
Galandelwagen (4x4), but I don't know if it was modified or not. Overall,
would be interesting if an adaptor could be made.

-josephB

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:21:17 +0000
From: jon collins <jonathan.collins@virgin.net>
Subject: V12 Jag

I have just seen a V12 Jag lump for sale complete with electrics and
gearbox. Purely as an exercise in day dreaming, what are the pros and
cons in fitting this into a 2A. I am not considering any such
transplant, but it could prove interesting proposition for an outlay of
£450.

Any comments gratefully accepted.
Best regards Jon

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Date: 	Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:38:00 +0100
From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Subject: heater plugs, short circut

I found the reason for my short circut. The resistor came in contact with
earth and burned off. Now I have "quick fixed" it but the resistor needs
replacement. Does anybody know if resistors from any other car type would
fit? I can always order one but if resistors sold to other cars fit I might
be able to get one right here in Uppsala.  

By the way, I would like to improve the brake servo and I thought it might
be rather easy to install an electrical vacuum pump in the system. Anybody
tried this and if so what pump did you use?

/Peter

109 STW Diesel SIII 1975
_____________________________________________________

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above
______________________________________________________

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:45:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: V12 Jag

>I have just seen a V12 Jag lump for sale complete with electrics and
>gearbox. Purely as an exercise in day dreaming, what are the pros and
>cons in fitting this into a 2A. I am not considering any such
>transplant, but it could prove interesting proposition for an outlay of
>£450.
The first word that comes to mind is....interesting.  You sound sane enough
to have already planned on a non-rover rear end as well..( I hope).  Have
you measured this thing??  There is no way it would ever fit in any
rover...would it??  Keep everyone posted..

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:58:36 -0500
Subject: Re: HELP

Simple tests you need to make here.

1. Clamp ALL three rubber lines - if the pedal isn't rock-hard something is
screwed in the master's circuit.
2. Unclamp them one at a time. If the brakes are adjusted properly, then
the pedal will drop a bit with each one, but will still do the rock-hard
stop. Any one that is messed up will kick the system into instant
double-pump mode.
3. Diagnose the buggered one as necessary.

It could well be flex lines, but then again I would adjust the snail cams
by taking them in till they lock, then back out 3 clicks on each one. The
tyre should rotate with a scraping sound.

                    Alan`

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Subject: Re: V12 Jag
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 15:13:44 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

>I have just seen a V12 Jag lump for sale complete with electrics and
;>
;gearbox. Purely as an exercise in day dreaming, what are the pros and
>cons in fitting this into a 2A. I am not considering any such
;>transplant, but it could prove interesting proposition for an outlay of
;>£450.
;>
;>Any comments gratefully accepted.
;>Best regards Jon

I do not know if Don is still on the list but he has actually done it.  There 
was a write up in Land Rover World about a year ago on his car.

He used a Jag V12 engine, a modified Discovery frame, and very modified 110 
body parts.  

The Jag engine is too wide to fit in a 2A.  You would be better off locating a 
1971 or earlier Ford 302 V8, a Borg Warner T19 transmission and having someone 
machine an adaptor to fit the Rover transfer case.  Oh and add a Salisbury 
rear.  The 302 (5 L) engine fits into the IIA engine bay without modification 
to the body.

TeriAnn Wakeman             I subscribe to several high volume mail
Santa Cruz, California      Lists and do not read every posting. 
twakeman@cruzers.com        If you send me direct mail, please start
                            subject with TW-  so I will know to read it.

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:15:41 EST
Subject: Re:  LR or RR for scout group

In a message dated 3/21/98 4:18:20 PM, you wrote:

>I belong to a scout group who could use a RR or LR.  if anybody has one
>that they are willing to sell for a reasonable price please contact me.
>we are on dire need of one, any model will do.  any DONATIONS will be
>accepted.  upon purchase I can and will prove that i am buying it for
>scout use.

Scout use? Pardon the ignorance but what's that? Just curious... What're you
scouting, scout?

pat
93  110

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:30:41 -0500
From: Shaun Oriold <soriold@worldchat.com>
Subject: Re: LR or RR for scout group

> Scout use? Pardon the ignorance but what's that? Just curious... What're you
> scouting, scout?

  about 20 times a year we travel to various parts of North America.  we are
located near toronto.  The farthest we have traveled is down into texas, we have
also gone to california.  we regularly travel in snow or through a forest to get
to the camp site.   if you live in north america you probably have seen scouts
also selling apples, there are hundreds of crated that need to be transported
to go along with the scouts.  we travel to Thunder Bay usually once every two
months. In 1996 we went to Calgary.   along with scouted we also have to bring
camping supplies. (tents for sleeping, tents for cooking, cooking supplies,
axes, food and so on) if it is a SCOUT'S Canada organized trip them there is
usually 1 activity that each group is responsible for. meaning you have to bring
the equipment for the activity.

THAT'S WHAT WE SCOUT!

Shaun Oriold
2nd Burlington

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Locking diffs.
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:49:49 -0500

Diff /locks  do they work in dry ditches or only in wet ones. Or a big
white dog with a harness is what we should have.  Ho! Ho! .  I hope you
didn't let any snow get on my baby.

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> From: d.h.lowe <dhlowe@idirect.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Locking diffs.
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 11:45 PM
> Comments,observations ,ruminations,thoughts and experiences
> (particularly experiences) are requested on the various types of
> diff.lockers now on the market and available for our vehicles.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)]
> wear or any negative comments? BTW it`s still snowing.
> Ron B.in your sun drenched warmth. Whats the scoop down under.

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Peter Thoren---air,glow plugs
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:08:01 -0500

     Rotary pumps are not self bleeding. You must bleed the pump or you
will crank your batteries down before you ever get it started.   I know
that if I lost more than one glow plug I would never get the S.O.B. started
even on a hot day.   Always kept a can of quick start handy.  You must have
good batteries to start a diesel.  You have to have good R.P.M to get them
to go.  I had put a battery out of a cat into my 88, that made her sit up
and take notice.  It also made the winch work well. 

----------
> From: Robert M McCullough <dieselbob@erols.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Peter Thoren---air,glow plugs
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 7:27 PM
> if you still have air in your fuel system lets stop and think what you
> have done. if you only replaced the fuel filter, make sure you have
> replaced both fuel filter housing o-rings with new ones. do you have
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 37 lines)]
> of them working, merely disconnect the bad one, connect the wires
> together, insulate the connection and off you go.

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:38:24 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: LR or RR for scout group

>.. What're you
> > scouting, scout?

Ahh, I remember the scouting days. Lake of Two Islands, Northern
Ontario, Scouts on one side, Girl Guides on the other side of the lake,
"that's what we were scouting for!" ;-)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:58:13 -0500
From: Shaun Oriold <soriold@worldchat.com>
Subject: Re: LR or RR for scout group

Con P. Seitl wrote:
Scouts on one side, Girl Guides on the other side of the lake

I am actually a rover(next generation of scouts) presently the female rovers
say on the same side of the lake.  on half of our camping trips we have no
leader, (that's why I want a reliable rover to play with)so they can stay in
the same tent.

Shaun Oriold
2nd Burlington

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:31:51 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: HELP

robot1@juno.com wrote:

> It's still a double-pumper. I'm going to replace the soft lines next,
> any
> other ideas? Is it possible that the soft lines are expanding enough
> to
> do this? they don't seem all that old....  Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

Try adjusting all four corners so that the shoes are tight against the
drums, and you can't turn the wheels (for test purposes only, not for
driving). If the pedal is firm, then carefully backoff each adjuster
until the wheel turns but the shoes are lightly dragging. If the pedal
still double pumps look for a problem elsewhere, but don't forget to
adjust the brakes before driving.

Also check the play in the master cylinder push rod.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:40:48 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: LR or RR for scout group

Shaun Oriold wrote:
>(that's why I want a reliable rover to play with)so they can stay in
> the same tent.

> Shaun Oriold
> 2nd Burlington
>.
AHA! The cats outta the bag now!!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:56:05 -0500
From: Shaun Oriold <soriold@worldchat.com>
Subject: Re: LR or RR for scout group

Con P. Seitl wrote:

> Shaun Oriold wrote:
> >(that's why I want a reliable rover to play with)so they can stay in
> > the same tent.
> > Shaun Oriold
> > 2nd Burlington
> >.
> AHA! The cats outta the bag now!!

what cat.  the rover is not for personal use.  the camp site that we usually
go to is coveres in ruts.  a friend of ine took his explorer there and got
stuck.  the walk to the camp site is about a hour and a half.  we(the whole
group) bring avery conceivable iten that is needed and then some that are
not. we need a car to get in there and not get stuck.  when the explorer got
stuck there was nobody around.  we ended up getting the 6 of us to push it
out.

Shaun Oriold
2nd Burlington

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:08:43 -0800 (PST)
From: hstin@cts.com (The Brothers Stinson)
Subject: Sighting -NAS D110

Hello,
        In the April issue of "Architectural Digest" (Val Kilmer and other
stars on the cover) there is an article on Dianne Keaton's house in Arizona.
It shows her sitting on a black with blacked out wheels, windows and safari
cage NAS spec D110.  Not my chose of colour for a Rover but an imposing
looking Rover non the less.  Has anyone on the list seen this D110 around?
Later....

                                                            Henry Stinson
                                                           '73 88 SHED

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:16:16 -0500
From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Subject: Brake Fettling

G'day all

I did a major brake fettle last weekend and due to a combination
of partially worn shoes, drums and adjuster cams, I could not get
a decent brake peddle happening Each component on it's own wasn't
in too bad a shape, but teamed up, well, it just wasn't going to
work out. Three pumps to get any stopping action just don't cut
it so I tried the trick that John Cranfield suggested a few weeks
back and added sleeves to the brake shoe pegs. Great tip John, it
works like a charm. I have a seriously hard brake peddle now and
the 88 stops straight and true once again.  I am in the process
of upgrading my brakes to 11 inch all round and was reluctant to
buy new shoes and drums for the 10 inch system. This little quick
fix was just the ticket to keep me going, er... I mean stopping,
till the upgrading is complete.

Brett

John Cranfield wrote:
>In cases where the cams don't push the shoes out far enough I
have
>put a sleeve on the peg on the shoe to increase it's size. This
>quite effective, safe and cheap.

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:29:27 -0800 (PST)
From: hstin@cts.com (The Brothers Stinson)
Subject: SIII Gearbox problem

Hello,
        My recently rebuilt Series III gearbox has developed some
interesting symptoms.  It seems that if I allow it to sit for a day I will
not beable to select any gear without reving the engine hard.  After 30
miles or so it will change gear as usual.  As long as I drive it the
following morning it will continue to act appropriatly.  The hydraulics are
new and the fluid is Castrol GTLMA.
        It seems to me that if the problem was the clutch alignment the
inability to shift would persist regardless.  There is some clutch judder
but this occurs without apparent pattern.  Have any other owners Rovers
insisted on being driven this way?  Perhaps it's the month and a half it
spent in post Mexico repairs when I also used it for storage and hence
christened it SHED.  
        I ran down to Ensenada Baja yesterday for fresh Lobster and Corona
(saw 2 Range Rovers and 1 Disco heading south ... no waves) without problem.
Tonight as I headed out for diner the gearbox was locking up again.  I guess
my Rover just can't get enough road trips. Later....

                                                        Henry Stinson
                                                       '73 88 SHED   

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:59:54 -0500
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Hub nut socket?

  I know you can get these at all the usual LR parts houses, but has anyone
found a hub nut socket at a more local establishment, or in more sturdy
guise? Thanks...

Jeff G.

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:59:28 EST
Subject: Re: Rain story from my Aug-Nov'98 trip

WHO said, that it never rains in Arizona???

Way back in 1989, I helped a friend of mine who was buying large lots of parts
from now defunct Scotland Yard wrecking yard, in Denver. We were using 24-foot
Penske rental trucks, to bring the parts back to L.A. (ended up taking over a
dozen trucks,  Two 40-foot containers, and about 5 trips, over a two-year
period - no joke, and we weren't the only folks buying stuff there!). 

On my first trip there, we made it to Flagstaff, and had to divert to Phoenix,
due to a major storm, that had the Cajon pass in Ca. closed, because it had
become a snowstorm there!

The drive from Flagstaff to Phoenix, took over 4 hours, down Interstate 17 -
the WORST drive in this country, in bad weather - 6 per cent grades that
lasted for 15-20 miles, breaking the cloud level several times (meaning fog
about 3 feet in front of you!) hail, black ice, the whole lot - all this,
while driving fully loaded trucks at 75mph, keeping up with the tractor-
trailors, because we couldn't see where we were going!

By the time we made it to Phoenix, the rain had stopped, and the sky was
clearing.

The Cajon pass, however, remained closed for 3 more days.

Charles

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:47:11 EST
Subject: Re:  Sighting -NAS D110

In a message dated 3/22/98 11:11:57 PM, you wrote:

        In the April issue of "Architectural Digest" (Val Kilmer and other
>stars on the cover) there is an article on Dianne Keaton's house in Arizona.
>It shows her sitting on a black with blacked out wheels, windows and safari
>cage NAS spec D110.  Not my chose of colour for a Rover but an imposing
>looking Rover non the less.  Has anyone on the list seen this D110 around?

Yup. Sat in it and drove it! But it wasn't technically *his* yet, it was still
at the dealer in Miami... very used for the price they wanted, so it sat there
until someone with the $$$ would pay their (slowly) dropping price. The dealer
paid $46 for it, I know that's not as much as he got...

pat

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:48:48 EST
Subject: Re:  Sighting -NAS D110

Ack! Misread the whole damn thing. So much for jetlag being over. I sat in Val
Kilmer's 110, *not* Diane Keaton's or whoever...

pat

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:57:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter Venters <venters@atm.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Michael Clark asks about S1 brakes...

As others have said, it is most likely that one or more of the pistons in
one or more of the rear wheel cylinders is seized. You can often see
tell-tale signs of corrosion by looking under the cylinder dust covers.
Another possibility might be a seriously worn/fallen off adjuster. If you
have got corrosion then wheel cylinder replacement is the only option; the
overhaul kits only cover the rubber bits. On a hopeful(?) note, the rear
brakes dont make much of a contribution to the vehicle braking anyway...

As for putting in a brake booster, this is possible but involves
non-standard parts and a lot of messing about. The easiest option is
probably putting in a remote in-line servo somewhere - the one used from
the Morris Marina for which parts may even still be available. The cost
for such a booster here is over UKP100.  Given the number of 1970s UK cars
in NZ this might even be feasible for you. Of course, quite
understandably, you might rather die than put Marina parts in a L-R... 

It is difficult to fit servo brakes from a SII/SIII into a SI. The
combined servo and pedal units are designed for the rather clumsy tall
wings :-) on the later models, and so stick through the neat and trim S1
bonnet in the right hand bonnet hinge area. You can fit non-servo SII/SIII
brakes without too much trouble, cutting the appropriate hole in the
bulkhead, which gets you away from the gruesome, underfloor, mud-encrusted
reality that is the SI master cylinder. But then your master cylinder
works, so you dont want to know that, do you?

Hope this helps,

Peter (S1 86").

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:39:04 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: RE:Re: Prop-shafts

Its not that difficult to get it out.  The trick is to mark the propshaft with 
the flange so it will be a lot easier to assamble.

Thanks
Geoffrey
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com:
>The boots are essentially extensible rubber sleeves that fit over the
>sliding joint, keeping it clean and minimising the amount of rust that
>formed on it.
>If you don't have them don't sweat it, at least till you have time to put

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
>check the splines and U-joints at the same time).
>               ajr/Mr. C.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:00:47 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Unleaded heads (again)

Sorry to raise this subject again........

I've been looking into getting an unleaded head and having spoken to both
Turner Engineering and Automotive Components, I'm left with a couple of
questions......

1. I'm thinking of going for one of the 'performance' heads - apparently
they give an increase of around 6-7 bhp. Does anyone have any experience
with these (I think they're ported as well as the hardened valve gear).???

2. When speaking to the very nice lady at Turner Engineering she suggested
trashing my Weber 34ICH in favour of a Zenith or Solex - any comments??

So...in conclusion what I'm really asking is this: is it worth me paying
2-3 hundred quid to Turner or Automotive, or would it be just as good to go
to a local place and have the hardened valve gear done??

thanks in advance..........

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:23:41 +0100
Subject: Re: Locking diffs.

Hello Roverists

On the subject of  diff.lockers on the market and available for our 
vehicles.
Is the original LandRover Limited slip diff commercially available?
I know they were build in th '70's since I have got them on both of
my 1975 military SIII's 88.
Would that be an option?

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:41:19 +0000
Subject: Re: gearbox question

I don't really know without being there.  I had odd problems putting mine
together, and written descriptions over the email were of limited help!

The idea of having a different top sounds plausible.

I'm not sure how you've got the gearstick working without the top.  To test
mine with the gearstick, I had to bolt both the gearstick bracket and the
top down. And not loosely.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Bernd.Jonas@munich.netsurf.de on 03/21/98 12:26:32 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: gearbox question

Hi (Richard)!
I used the gearstick and without the top, the engaging def. is properly.
I took a lot of grease at the rods. But nothing helped.
Could it be, the top is no more plan enough, because onle the re rod
isn4t working well?
BERND JONAS

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