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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE {many parts}
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 07:44:43 PST

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> >   Here is a list of things i have for sale.
> Russ Wilson wrote:
> Blah, Blah, Blah.......
> I've seen this post three times now and each time I have the same question..
> Where are you?

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> should include some sort of a location for the next time we see your post.
> And as far as I am concerned....three posts of the same message is ENOUGH 
ALREADY  I hope we never see this post again
Rgds,
Steve Bradke
> Russ Wilson
> Leslie Bittner
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> Pittsburgh, Pa.
> Where are you?

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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE {many parts}
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 07:46:00 PST

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> Hi everyone well i guess its time to sell everything {sadily}.
>    Here is a list of things i have for sale.
>    1. landrover 109 frame complete over haul new rear cross
> member,reinforced on bottom sides redone.new outriggers two inch lift.
> frame in very good shape
>    asking $1500.00

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>   please contact tony smith at masmith@barint.on.ca  or call me for more
> info at 705-424-1953 if im not home leave a msg.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:01:41 +0100
From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Subject: Wiring diagram

To all who have responded on this subject: thanks!
However, due to severe personal circomstances, I will not be able
to deal with it for a while. My apologies for not participating, 
I comfort myself with the thought that something came out of it
after all, and that's what matters.

Later, Marijn.
SIII-FFR 109 "Winston"

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:11:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: Re: Salisbury

Didn't the Shelby Cobra use salisburys too? It seems I read that
somewhere... it seems that they would have to be nearly indestructable to
withstand the power from that 400+ci engine(429 or 427 I can't remember?)

Matt

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:17:04 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

>Don't confuse the Olds 350 diesel and the later 6.2 litre and 6.5 litre
>GM diesels. The 6.2 was a completely new engine, and the 6.5 is a major
>revision of the 6.2. I've only seen references to 6.2/6.5 conversions.

Wasn't that just a gas 350 block converted to diesel? My father had one
those in a car years ago, and the dealer ended up buying it back it, along
with a bunch of others. I've heard good and bad about the 6.2, but at least
some people love them, but I haven't heard anything good about the old 350
diesel, anyone have one they love?

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: AKBLACKLEY <AKBLACKLEY@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:25:30 EST
Subject: Land Rover Lodge

Somehow I dont think that those of use who own the "orphins" are invited to
that party. You must first be immersed into the "Land Rover Experience" at the
Dealership, involving the extraction of the long green from your posterior,
with many return visits for Service.
I think we would prefer Possum Lodge, anyways. Cheers, Andy Blackley

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:27:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

I hate to jump in but everything I've heard has been Bad with the gas 350 
based diesel, no one I've met has had a good word for it, it seems it just
wasn't up to the task, durable enough asa gas engine but not as a
diesel... there are some pages on the net with people bitching about them
and having specific complaints and analysis of their faults. I believe
I've seen them under oldsmobile 98 pages and whatnot...

I've heard both good and bad about the 6.2 6.5 series as well, I believe
they had trouble early on with headgaskets, I remember my fatherran a
fleet of busses powered by them and you could not keep them, going. Also
I've heard nothing but complaints from GIs who work with them, every one I
know who has to work withthose GM diesels uses Navistars for their
personal vehicles and won't touch the 6.2/6.5.

but then again didn't the 6.9/7.3 navistars have a bore erosion problem or
something too?

matt 

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:29:46 -0600
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

>>Don't confuse the Olds 350 diesel and the later 6.2 litre and 6.5 litre
>>GM diesels. The 6.2 was a completely new engine, and the 6.5 is a major
>>revision of the 6.2. I've only seen references to 6.2/6.5 conversions.
>Wasn't that just a gas 350 block converted to diesel? My father had one
>those in a car years ago, and the dealer ended up buying it back it, along
>with a bunch of others. I've heard good and bad about the 6.2, but at
least
>some people love them, but I haven't heard anything good about the old 350
>diesel, anyone have one they love?

I worked at a Chevy dealer during the hayday (if you can call it that) of
this first generation of GM light duty diesels. It was one of the finest
boat achors that GM ever built. I firmly believe that this engine did more
to kill the market for passanger car/ light truck diesels than any other
factor.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:48:50 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Diesels

All,
I have 2 mechanics working for me that are ex-US military. Both had to work
on the Hummers with the 6.2 for the years they were in service, and both
hate the GM diesels! 100's of horror stories. I know a lot of Rover owners
are fascinated by this engine, most likely because you can by adpt. for it
from the UK, but with all the really cool diesel engines, Cummings, Ford
Power Stroke, some of the neat-o small Nissan and other Japanese turbo
units I'd say you can surely do better with torque, mileage, durabilty,
etc. One of our painters has a J**p M-715 with a Izusu turbo diesel from a
large truck, that thing is cool. I also think that a small part of the
interest in the UK with the 6.2 is its SIZE! For a UK powerplant that will
fit in a Rover it is massive. Here in the US, my car has a 7.7 liter, so
the 6.2 is no big deal. I'm sure some people love their 6.2, so please, no
flames, this is just our opinion!
Have a great day!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:51:57 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: Salisbury

>Didn't the Shelby Cobra use salisburys too? It seems I read that
>somewhere... it seems that they would have to be nearly indestructable to
>withstand the power from that 400+ci engine(429 or 427 I can't remember?)

I don't know, but would have thought good ol'Shelby might have stuffed a
Ford 9" back there. ;-)
The guts of a Salisbury are Dana 60 anyway. I don't know the history, but
somewhere in the scheme of things they must have bought plans or something
from Dana to begin making the Salisbury. Anyone know the scoop?

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 08:47:20 EST
Subject: Re: SIII rebuild questions

>>>isn't dip galvanised finish difficult to get the paint to adhere to?)

paint? we don't need not steenking paint! 

>The clutch fluid pipe on a left hand drive goes from the left of the 
>car, crosses the motor on the firewall, drops down via a rubber hose, 
>then becomes a tube again which is fed behind the motor to reach the 
>slave cylinder - one question WHY? 

That way they wouldn't have to move the bracket for the flex hose, i.e. 
firewalls are interchangeable 'tween LHD and RHD, also te lower hose is 
the same part, can be mounted to the engine/tranny on the assembly line 
with no regard to rhd or lhd.

> would it not be better to drop direct from the master to the slave, 
>with a flexhose between to allow for motor vibration? Has anyone tried 
>this?

why bother. This way the parts are available and fit straight up.

>How easy is it to replace the brake lines yourself? I want to replace 
>the 2 forward lines between the junction and the wheels, and the two 
>short tubes on the hubs?

No problem there, get some flare nut wrenches, and bend up some bailing wire or 
toher to fit beforehand to make sure you've got it right. 

>>Any words of wisdom welcome...

wisdom? heh heh...

good luck

DaveB

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:47:23 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Axle oil seals

Marcus wrote:

>I am changing out the front hub seals this week on the carawagon. I have been
>told there is a 'quick' way to do this by unbolting the entire hub assembly
>in one lump. Is this poss.?

You're probably thinking about the oil seal in the axle case that keeps the
diff oil from getting into the swivel pin reservoir (and vice versa).  The
entire swivel pin housing and half shaft itself can be pulled as a unit to
get to the aforementioned seal, but if you are going to the trouble of
replacing that one, the others probably need attention as well.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:04 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Flex lines

Shawn Swaner wrote:

>I started bleeding the right rear brake and noticed that the flex line
>that connects the line running along the axle to the line coming from the
>master was bulging and soaked with fluid. 

One of the more peverse aspects of a failing flex line is that the rubber
inside will deteriorate, but the exterior still looks fine.  A little flap
of rubber will act like a one way valve, allowing fluid to flow to the
cylinders but preventing its return.  BTDT, GTTS (oil-stained, of course).
Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:07:35 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Why, of why

Adrian Redmond wrote:

>The clutch fluid pipe on a left hand drive goes from the left of the
>car, crosses the motor on the firewall, drops down via a rubber hose,
>then becomes a tube again which is fed behind the motor to reach the
>slave cylinder - one question WHY? (Other than being a modification from
>the British RHD, I cannot see a logical reason...

Ahhh...it's because of the guilds.  One look at any original fastener on a
Rover, and you just *know* there has to be a fastener guild on the factory
floor.  Look at all them funky Lucar connectors; keeps the wiring guild
busy.  All that extra plumbing makes the plumbing guild just smile.... ;-)
Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:06:51 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: Flex lines

At 09:52 AM 3/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Shawn Swaner wrote:
>>I started bleeding the right rear brake and noticed that the flex line
>>that connects the line running along the axle to the line coming from the
>>master was bulging and soaked with fluid. 
>One of the more peverse aspects of a failing flex line is that the rubber
>inside will deteriorate, but the exterior still looks fine.  A little flap
>of rubber will act like a one way valve, allowing fluid to flow to the
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>cylinders but preventing its return.  BTDT, GTTS (oil-stained, of course).
>Cheers
Further to this... deterioration of the flex lines is hastened with the use
of visegrips to pinch off the line. Girling and others made a tool using 2
steel rods that could "safely" pinch the hose. Use some steel round stock
(3/8-1/2" dia) then use your "grips". HTH    Peter

Peter
'60 109SW
'64 88
'70 88 (in pieces)
'73 88 (driver)

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:12:50 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: Why, of why

At 10:07 AM 3/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Adrian Redmond wrote:
>>The clutch fluid pipe on a left hand drive goes from the left of the
>>car, crosses the motor on the firewall, drops down via a rubber hose,
>>then becomes a tube again which is fed behind the motor to reach the
>>slave cylinder - one question WHY? (Other than being a modification from
>>the British RHD, I cannot see a logical reason...
>Ahhh...it's because of the guilds.  One look at any original fastener on a
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>busy.  All that extra plumbing makes the plumbing guild just smile.... ;-)
>Cheers
---
Perhaps because early LRs have the slave on the right and later on the
left? Engine swap? 1 bulkhead fits all? Because that's rhe way we've always
done it?  Why not?
Peter

Peter
'60 109SW
'64 88
'70 88 (in pieces)
'73 88 (driver)

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:18:16 EST
Subject: Re: Flex lines

In a message dated 98-03-19 10:07:42 EST, you write:

<< Further to this... deterioration of the flex lines is hastened with the use
 of visegrips to pinch off the line. Girling and others made a tool using 2
 steel rods that could "safely" pinch the hose. Use some steel round stock
 (3/8-1/2" dia) then use your "grips". HTH    Peter >>

If any of you know a surgical nurse, there is a special clamp called a bowel
clamp.  Smooth round steel with locking mechanism in the handle.  It is used
to close the bowel during resections and repairs of perforations.  It stops
leakage of bowel contents without damaging the bowel walls.  

Worn bowel clamps which the OR are replacing can be had for free...if you know
the right people.

Nate

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: of 6.2/6.5&6.9/7.3ld.

Not that anyone cares, but the 7.3l Navistar engines seem to be quite
impressive in extended use, I'd like to see a conversion using one of
them!

Ive seen at least two with 280k before a rebuild was really even
considered, and it seems as long as you use the correct coolant and
maintain them
properly they'll last forever. at least in big 40 passenger busses...

with the 6.2 and 6.5s there was MUCH more downtime, headgaskets were the
main problem you couldn't keep them in them, there were other probs as
well...

most of the Busses used to run on chevy 350s (gas) they recieved 2000 mile
oilchanges for their whole lives and generally lasted 200k plus, the whole
time toting ARC people throughout the county. it worked well as a gas
engine goes.

now most buses come with BIG 6 cylinder turbo diesels, I thought about
them for a conversion but they are MUCH MUCH MUCH too large, about a foot
and a half higher than a Landcriuiser 6cyl engine.

Ive been mucking about with the idea of dropping a 7.3 into an M715 or
something but I don't think they'd do in a landrover, who knows though,
has anyone considered it?
Id be interested in what other people have considered in the range of
large diesels.(being american it seems I like everything bigger...)
;-)

thanks reply here or to my email if you don't want to clutter the list...

Matt 

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:30:00 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Salisbury

>The guts of a Salisbury are Dana 60 anyway. I don't know the history, but 
>somewhere in the scheme of things they must have bought plans or something 
>from Dana to begin making the Salisbury. Anyone know the scoop?

I think there's lots of "inbreeding" between these drivetrain manufacturers, 
especially between different markets. i.e., Spicer, Dana, Dana-Spicer, 
Hardy-Spicer, etc. I've heard of other cars with Salisburys but don't remmeber 
which ones. My Volvo 122 has a Dana rear. I bet alot of the gears and other 
components in various axles and other parts come from the same manufacturers.  
I've also heard other things like almost all bearings are made by TRW, just put 
a different name on it. Who knows...

later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:38:08 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Flex lines

 

>Worn bowel clamps which the OR are replacing can be had for free...if you know 
>the right people.

Hey! Careful with that bowel clamp! You don't know where its been...

Ick.

later
Dave "I'll take 3" B

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:37:36 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Salisbury

> Didn't the Shelby Cobra use salisburys too? It seems I read that
> somewhere... it seems that they would have to be nearly indestructable to
> withstand the power from that 400+ci engine(429 or 427 I can't remember?)

I believe shelby used the salisbury LSD unit (similar or same as the 
jag powerlok unit). There's a guy on the brit-cars list who owns 
a real cobra. I'll ask him. They were certainly IRS, not straight axle.

Marcus

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:46:16 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: GM Diesels (Some LR content)

 I may be in a postion to comment upon GM diesels, as I have had to immerse
myself in them for the Four Wheeler project rig I'm building. Moderator, I
believe this is relevant because a) there is plenty of precedent on this
thread so far, and b) folks are installing them in LRs.

1) The early 350 Olds was anchor material. Nodootabootit! It got so bad
that GM was actually doing gas engine conversions for customers under
warranty (and threat of lawsuit) and there was a small sideline business
for some shops converting the more unlucky owners whose engines lasted till
they were out of warranty. As has been stated, it did more to kill the
diesel market in NA than anything. If the engines listed for sale are
these, they are a museum piece. Most of their ilk are holding down bouys at
the yacht basin these days.

2) A second version of the 350 came out in the late '70s/early '80s that
was OK. Also a 4.3L V6 version. I say OK, not great. They were definitely a
light duty diesel powerplant, in the same category as the Volvo/BMW diesel,
the VW, and some of the other Euro and Japanese diesel engines. The economy
of a diesel but the longevity of a petrol.

3) For every 6.2L-6.5L horror story you tell me, I can come up with 10
extoling their virtues. People who work at dealerships/shops are not
necessarily the best sources for info, because all they saw were the bum
steers. The good ones were out there running happily and seldom seen
(nobody goes back to the dealer for normal maintenance). I spent many years
as a Land Rover tech. If you wanna hear some horror stories and base your
entire outlook on them, I could put you off this list in an hour,
completely cured of Land Rover. The only way to accurately plot good or bad
is to compare sales records to shop records.

4) The 6.2-6.5 is what I would call a medium duty diesel. It falls short of
some of the more industrial strength units, like the Cummins (I'm not sure
the Navistar is quite in that category - I own one - but close), but it's
easily capable of 250K miles, is lighter and easier to fit than either the
Navistar or the Cummins and has fantastic economy. My stock'83 6.2L unit
was delivering 24+ mpg and had 112K miles on it. The rig now runs 35 inch
tires, weighs 6000 pounds and still delivers 20mpg at 75mph. It now has
140K and a recent compression and leakdown test yielded like-new specs.
Anecdotal? Sure, but it is typical of the stories I turned up in a year of
research.

5) I have also turned up some horror stories and a list of common defects.
Acknowledged.  A similar list can be made for any engine, including 2.25s,
Rover V8s, and any other engine you care to name. The GM 6.2-6.5L diesel's
list is no longer or more alarming than any other, and shorter than most.
Like any engine that has been in production for a while, bugs get worked
out and the engine improves with time. The newer verions are better, though
I can't fault my '83 even though it was in the "troublsome era."

6) My reseach yielded some intersting statistics on diesels and their use
with  Americans used to gas engines.Some of this info indicates that light
duty diesel failures are often maintenance problems. Diesels generally
require less maintenance than petrol engines (excepting these new 100K
petrol engines) but what they require, they DEMAND. Oil changes are one
such item. The diesel soils it's oil faster than a gas engine and requires
more freguent changes. The clarity and quality of fuel is also vital. Many
Americans get into a diesel thinking they can run 200K miles with zero
maintenance, then piss and moan when the injection pump fails at 60K miles
because they never read their manual and never changed the fuel filters.

7) The general public's driving habits were one of the undoings of the 6.2.
I won't go into much detail here, but a diesel likes a somewhat different
driving style than a petrol. The ordinary "stoplight racer" American
driving style is not the ideal diesel enviroment. Being normally aspirated
and detuned, the 6.2s were fairly slow. That means that folks ran them wide
open all the time. Since these engines were fitted to trucks, this was
ususally under a load. No engine tolerates this for long, and diesels are
even less tolerant. I think GM should have used the 155hp HD versions in
the light duty rigs rather than the 135hp and the adoption of the turbo was
too slow. Had the power output been higher, perhaps they would have been
abused less. 'Course they would have been more highly stressed also.
Perhaps a toss up.

8) Check out the 6.2-6.5 Diesel Page at
www.bitterroot.net/diesel/diesel.htm. An excellant site and chock full of
info.

9) Was this a waste of space? Perhaps, but the stuff was brimming over in
my brain from the recent work.

        Jim Allen

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: Land Rover Lodge for Canajuns
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:42:00 -0500

LRC inform me that Canadian Land Rover Owners will be hearing soon about
a similar offer to Lanham's. Make sure you are on their mailing list
before the end of April to get yours.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:46:18 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Salisbury

> I believe shelby used the salisbury LSD unit (similar or same as the 
> jag powerlok unit). There's a guy on the brit-cars list who owns 
> a real cobra. I'll ask him. They were certainly IRS, not straight axle.

Ach...the original unit was a Powerlock Dana 44 center section used
under the salisbury name. Just got that off www.cobra427.com/jag.html

I wasn't far off the mark.

M

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From: glenn.rees@PAREURO.COM
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:10:36 +0000
Subject: Big Boys Toys - TANK DRIVING

     OK Guys, does anyone know anywhere in the south (of M4) that 
     does tank driving / corporate offroad days?  For a colleagues 
     50th birthday. I seem to recall one shown on TV last year in 
     the Salisbury Plain area (no Richard, not the army!)
     
     Any information gratefully appreciated, 
     cheers 
     Glenn

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Lodge for Canajuns
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:03:53 -0800

Info for their address?
David
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:11:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Big Boys Toys - TANK DRIVING

Instead of the Regulars, there's the TA!  :-)

LROi here lists:

N. Herefordshire School: Hereford (01568) 797372;
Pink Elephant:   Wiltshire (01985) 844844;
Whitecliff:  Forest of Dean (Glos)  01594 824666;
"Devil's Pit", Beds:   01482 883349

Also a couple of places in Yorkshire, but I can't bend the M4 that far.

No mention of tanks by any of these. Ads suggest mainly Landy/Rangie.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GM Diesels (Some LR content) Part Agree
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:15:05 -0800

You are right on about most of your comments about diesels.  I run a diesel
maintenance course for boaters and live with them daily from the Perkins,
Cat, Cummings, Westerbeke, Izusu to the obscure Farymann and SABB to mention
just a few.  I also have experience with GM diesels - no good - I never
liked the noise out of Fords either.  I really like those Japanese diesels,
great wide power and torque bands with light weight.  My 2 bits.

However - I can assure you that engine blocks make dangerously poor
moorings!

Cheers
David
Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:31:18 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: replacing hub seal

> Yes. Just disconnect the brake hose, the steering ball joints and then the 
axle

OK. This is to get to the hub seal right? As I said before, I am getting oil
contamination in my  front right brke shoes....and that would come
from the hub seal. 

Somebody else mentioned the swivel seals. These are newish, so I don't think
it's them....also, how can swivel oil get inside the brake drum?

Marcus

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:08:39 EST
Subject: Re:  SIII rebuild questions

Brake lines not tough to replace--I've done it.   Not by choice, of course,
but after snapping one in the process of replacing the flex-hose to pass
inspection.  Late-night Parts America run and frantic bending, but we got it
on there--about 30-40 min. of work to do the LF line (the long one on a LHD).
Just do all the bending w/ your new line and have it 100% in place before
disconnecting your old line (voice of experience speaking here).

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109SW

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 19 Mar 1998 21:53:14 -0000
Subject: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' - any body use this stuff ?

Ok, so I'm in the hardware store (Spags actually) in front of the massive
Rustoleum paint rack, and they've got these cans of 'cold galvanizing' paint,
it says that 70+% of whats deposited is zinc and yadeyade yada  so I bought
one.... seemed like a good idea at the time - anyone have any experience
with this stuff ?  I was thinking of shooting my windscreen and capping with
it...

 -Bill
!h

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 17:10:11 EST
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' -

> - anyone have any experience
>with this stuff ?  
yeah its okay. good for spraying inside places that are gonig to be wleded, its 
made to be welded through
Not as good as hot dip good; also for places that have been welded after hot 
dipping.

later
Daveb

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:34:40 -0500
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' - any body use this stuff ?

Re: Rustoleum cold galvanizing paint:

It's basically the same thing as Galvafroid - you get a flat gray finish
that won't hold up to scratches and the like real well but should do OK for
cappings and the like.

I dislike it in spray-cans - much prefer brushing with a heavy hand on
things like that.

Mr. C. needs his windshield stripped and repainted.. but it's going to wait
till I get a can of Galvafroid so i can brush it on.

                    ajr

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:14:16 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: GM Diesels (Some LR content) 

David,

        Ah, marine diesels. Fond memories! I worked on a bunch too.
Atlas-Imperial, Cooper-Bessimer, Hercules, Gray Marine, Detroit Diesel,
Buda, Cat, Cummins, mostly bigger stuff. I had a 7hp Renault 1-cylinder
(hand start) in a 20 foot launch that was fun (till the block cracked). Had
good experiences with the 71 series GM engines, bad experience with Cummins
and Ok with Cats. The Problems with Cummins wasn't the engines, it was the
LARC drivers who only know two throttle positions - full open or closed.
Still, the GMs held up in the same situations. All anecdotal. Have zero
experience with 6.2s in marine applications, though there is a company that
does conversion and offers some mods for them that have application to the
highway.
        One addition I would make to my previous post is that the GM 6.2s
are good in light duty applications (light trucks) but in medium duty or
heavy duty truck use, I'm less willing to commit. You'd be surprised at the
number of warranty complaints on Navistar (Ford) or Cummins (Dodge),
especially in their early years.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:12:32 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: replacing hub seal

> OK. This is to get to the hub seal right?

No, this won't get you to the hub seal, only the axle seal and bearing
inside the swivel housing.                                              
>.
> As I said before, I am getting oil
> contamination in my  front right brke shoes....and that would come
> from the hub seal.
>.
Correct, and the way to get to that is by removing the hub, starting
with the axle cap right on through to the bearings of the hub.
>.
> Somebody else mentioned the swivel seals. These are newish, so I don't think
> it's them....also, how can swivel oil get inside the brake drum?
>.
If your swivel seals leak, you will notice them leaking all over the
inside of your tires, but not into your drums. You could also get swivel
oil leaking into the drum/brake shoe area if one of the bolts that hold
on the backing plate decided to slack off and oil is seeping through,
but I highly doubt it, never seen it happen. As I've said before, your
trouble is the HUB seal, and probably the race that it rides on. 
>.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <bod.glass@mail.easynet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:27:43 +0000
Subject: Re: GM Diesels (Some LR content)

> that was OK. Also a 4.3L V6 version. I say OK, not great. They were
> definitely a light duty diesel powerplant, in the same category as

4.2 is light duty????????????
Yeh right!

Cheers,           Bod.
  
     

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: GM Diesels (Some LR content)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:00:30 -0800

Hey, in N.A.,  5.7 litres (350 CID) is considered a 'small block'  ;-)

Paul.

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From: GcdoAK <GcdoAK@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:54:43 EST
Subject: Re: Fueling around

In a message dated 98-03-13 11:05:30 EST, you write:

<< >Probably the best solvent you could use is methyl ethyl ketone, nasty
 >stuff, really, but it will disolve most fuel gunge rather handily.  >>

I agree with others statements about the nastiness of this stuff.  After a ten
years of wroking for the Coast Guard and using paints that need this stuff as
a solvent as well as some other nasty things such as tolulene, I can state
with absolute cetainty that you don't want to use this stuff if at all
possible.  If you MUST use it, then make sure you have a good. properly
fitting, organic vapor respirator, and gloves of the proper material.  I think
nitrile gloves will resist this stuff for awhile.

The cost of not following this advice and suffering chemical allergies due to
overexposure to solvents  --   I cannot sit in a new Land Rover without
getting sick.  It is so bad, that when I stuck my head into the passenger
compartment of a new Disco on a recent visit to the local dealer, I almost
passed out.  Guess I'll have to stick to the classics.

Elbow grease is always worth trying first.

Jon Stehn
GcdoAK@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:14:15
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Revamped R.O.A.V.web page

We are still at the same URL (we are looking for a better site). We would
like a shorter address. The site has been and will continue to be up-graded
and improved. Come visit, sign the guestbook and tell us what you think.

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3286

Keep On Rover Truckin' 8^).

Jim Wolf

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:18:48 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: GM Diesels (Some LR content)

Bod (Ian Boddison) wrote:
> > that was OK. Also a 4.3L V6 version. I say OK, not great. They were
> > definitely a light duty diesel powerplant, in the same category as
> 4.2 is light duty????????????
> Yeh right!
> Cheers,          

You folks from the UK have to realize that when someone from over the
pond talks about a 4.2 being light duty they are comparing to engines
like the chev 454 which is 7260cc that has been used in 1/2ton trucks
and in "heavy duty" form in 17cubic yard dump trucks. In contrast the
4.2 is used in the S10 truck which is about the same size as a Toyota Hi
Lux.
     John and Muddy

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:26:47 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Fueling around

GcdoAK wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-13 11:05:30 EST, you write:
> << >Probably the best solvent you could use is methyl ethyl ketone, nasty
>  >stuff, really, but it will disolve most fuel gunge rather handily.  >>
> I agree with others statements about the nastiness of this stuff.  After a ten
> years of wroking for the Coast Guard and using paints that need this stuff as
> a solvent as well as some other nasty things such as tolulene, I can state

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> Elbow grease is always worth trying first.
> Jon Stehn

Did you nearly pass out before or after you saw the price tag? :-0
            John and Muddy

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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' - any body use this stuff ?
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 20:15:58 PST

----------
> Ok, so I'm in the hardware store (Spags actually) in front of the massive
> Rustoleum paint rack, and they've got these cans of 'cold galvanizing' paint,
> it says that 70+% of whats deposited is zinc and yadeyade yada  so I bought
> one.... seemed like a good idea at the time - anyone have any experience
> with this stuff ?  I was thinking of shooting my windscreen and capping with
> it...

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> it...
>  -Bill
Couldn't hurt.
FYI .Rustoleum makes an "industrial" zinc spray coating as well, it's called 
Labor Saver Hard Hat Zinc-Rich coating comes in 20 oz spray can and contains  
over 90% zinc
Rgds
Steve

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:48:57 EST
Subject: It's Alive and Spray on Galvanizing Paint

Hi all,

First Rover content:  I use a 95% zinc content spray which Ace Hardware
carries.  It does an adequate job for patching in where the galvanizing has
come off.  It's not as heavy duty as a hot dip but does work well if the area
is not subjected to heavy friction (parts rubbing).

Next:  Tonight I brought my wife's '48 Willys Jeepster back to life.  First
time it's run in 10-12 years.  Used all my rover tricks to get it started.
It's nice to see that mechanical/electrical principles can be generalized and
used in a variety of settings.  The Willys actually has alot in common with
the Rover:  4 cylinder, underpowered and very heavy.  But seeing as it IS a
passenger car, it has a 3 speed synchro transmission with overdrive.

Nate
67 88 SIIa "Blue Brick"
48 Willys Overland Jeepster "Olivia"

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:04:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' 'paint' - any body use this stuff ?

>Ok, so I'm in the hardware store (Spags actually) in front of the massive
>Rustoleum paint rack, and they've got these cans of 'cold galvanizing' paint,
>it says that 70+% of whats deposited is zinc and yadeyade yada  so I bought
>one.... seemed like a good idea at the time - anyone have any experience
>with this stuff ?  I was thinking of shooting my windscreen and capping with
>it...
> -Bill
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> -Bill
>!h

Bill, If you are going to go to the trouble you might as well just pop the
stuff off and actually galvanize the stuff. It cost me about $75 to get
everything done.  The only drawback is the loss of the "proper" rivets.
I'd do it again..

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Diesels (a bit more LR content)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:19:39 -0300

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Jim Allen wrote:

>6) My reseach yielded some intersting statistics on diesels and their use
>with  Americans used to gas engines.Some of this info indicates that light
>duty diesel failures are often maintenance problems. Diesels generally
>require less maintenance than petrol engines (excepting these new 100K
>petrol engines) but what they require, they DEMAND. Oil changes are one
>such item. 

Diesel oil info is always welcome because the issue has become progressively 
more 
problematic. A lot of us are completely at a loss about how to ensure that the 
oil we 
are offered meets the required specs for the Tdi. An oil may be acceptable on 
the 
basis of one spec, but then be the wrong on another. Can anyone point me to 
where to 
find out more about what the compression series CD, CE, CF etc. specs mean?

With under-the palm-tree maintenance the only show in town, at least the 
materials 
should be adequate.
TIA
Allan.

Allan Smith
Research Scientist
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort, St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060; Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:21:16 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: NADA Engine Please

Hi All,
 Well it seems there are no end to people contacting me about LR parts. 
Some one here in my area just asked if there were any used working NADA
6 cylinder engines around in the USA.  There is a guy here who has a
died one who thinks his 109 could be running if he could find one.
Any info I will forward to him.  Thanks for any help you can offer him.

Regards,
 Rob Davis_Chicago

car4doc@concentric.net

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: replacing hub seal
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:32:23 -0300

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>If your swivel seals leak, you will notice them leaking all over the
>inside of your tires,

The right front seal of my 90 (the ROW spec) started doing that 12 months ago.  
A 
few weeks later I changed from EP90 to synth all round,(because it became 
available 
from our NAPA outlet), including the relevant 'boxes, swivels and diffs. Not 
another 
leak from either front swivel for the past year. I expected the opposite.

And yes, I do check to see that there is something therein available to leak
:->

Allan

 

Allan Smith
Research Scientist
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort, St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060; Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:09:04 -0500
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Re: 'cold galvanizing' and POR-15??

At 09:53 PM 3/19/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Ok, so I'm in the hardware store (Spags actually) in front of the massive
>Rustoleum paint rack, and they've got these cans of 'cold galvanizing' paint,

  I used this exact stuff on a SIIA heater box and my take on it is that
it's not up to any sort of abuse. And I don't even mean abuse really. It
sprays on in a thick cake that it quite crumbly. As Alan mentions, it's
very prone to scratching. It's not like paint at all. It's also quite flat
gray in color. It might be good for inside areas where it can act
sacrificially. I was thinking it might enjoy the inside lower bulkhead
door-post area just fine.
  Someone else mentioned that it was designed to be welded through. I don't
think that's correct for the Rustoleum product. There are weld-through
primers and coatings, but the Rustoleum COld Galvanzing compund is not one
of them. I may be wrong on this, though...

  I'm really curious about POR-15. A general search yields positive
reaction to the stuff for inhibiting rust and coating chassis. Goes on
thick with a brush, doesn't chip, inhibits rust by sealing the metal
surface, and immune to fuels and solvents. Expensive, though. Comes in
black, semi-gloss black, gray, silver, and satin clear. Does anyone have
any experience with this stuff???  http://www.por15.com

Jeff G.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:39:19 -0500
From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

Had a neighbor who had one in a Chevy p/u(350 diesel).  Dealer put 3 motors
in it before they gave up and put in a 350 gas.  One of the heads (2nd
motor) blew completely off the motor and landed on the fender well!

Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> The Olds 350 - isn't that the one GM built out of a gas engine block and
> ended up replacing all of them?
> I hope I'm wrong because that's a nice deal for a new Diesel, but that's
> what memory tells me...
>                ajr

--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464
Americus, GA 31709
912-924-6513 (H)
912-928-4984 (CELL)

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Big Boys Toys - TANK DRIVING
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:52:18 +0100

>     OK Guys, does anyone know anywhere in the south (of M4) that
>     does tank driving / corporate offroad days?  For a colleagues
>     50th birthday. I seem to recall one shown on TV last year in
>     the Salisbury Plain area (no Richard, not the army!)

I receive a mail each day with flight fares from different companies, and
sometimes there is something like this : (price are in £)

Agent:HIGHLANDS PARK LTD        Tel:01264850702
>From :SELF DRIVE

Destination    Departs From/Till Holiday Type   Nt Price  Notes
-------------- ----------------- -------------- -- ------ --------------
WILTSHIRE                        TANK DRIVING          33 STALWART 6 WD
WILTSHIRE                        TANK DRIVING          33 ARMOURED P.C.
WILTSHIRE                        TANK DRIVING         110 CHIEFTAIN + 3

     NOTE:CORPORATE EVENTS ALSO AVIL. PLEASE CALL FOR BROCHURE

Don't know where it.

Alain-Jean PARES
Fontainebleau, FRANCE

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:43:19 EST
Subject: Re: Salisbury

In a message dated 3/19/98 5:25:58 AM, you wrote:

>Its much tougher. Original Rover diffs break half-shafts like nobody's
>business.
>Salisbury's are rumoured to be indestructible.

I didn't know diffs broke half shafts, I thought it was the inertia of a
spinning wheel suddenly finding grip... more likely a problem with the shaft
design.

I was also led to believe that the Salisbury was tougher due to it having 4
spider gears as opposed to the rover's 2 (ala VW bug), aside from the extra
metal of the super chunky casing etc.

pat
93 110

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:51:34 +0000
Subject: Re: Salisbury

Alright, a "Salisbury Axle" then...   :-)

You can't mix the axle and diff, can you?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

SPYDERS@aol.com on 03/20/98 09:43:19 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Salisbury

In a message dated 3/19/98 5:25:58 AM, you wrote:
>Its much tougher. Original Rover diffs break half-shafts like nobody's
>business.
>Salisbury's are rumoured to be indestructible.
I didn't know diffs broke half shafts, I thought it was the inertia of a
spinning wheel suddenly finding grip... more likely a problem with the
shaft
design.
I was also led to believe that the Salisbury was tougher due to it having 4
spider gears as opposed to the rover's 2 (ala VW bug), aside from the extra
metal of the super chunky casing etc.
pat
93 110

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From: "DERICK FAY" <ISDF@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:41:26 GMT+0200
Subject:       Handbrake Question

Hi.  I'm a new owner of a Series III 109" which is all set to go 
through roadworthy testing (what we would call inspection back in 
Massachusetts) except that the handbrake is completely destroyed 
internally.  I'm having a hell of a time finding a replacement.  Can 
I use a Series I or II handbrake with this vehicle?  If so, is there 
anyone in the vicinity of Grahamstown/P.E./E. London (S. Africa) who 
has one available?  Please reply to me directly as I am not a list 
subscriber.

Thanks

Derick Fay

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