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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:53:39 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned  Heite)
Subject: The header pipe

Richard Marsden writes:

>between the manifold and the exhaust downpipe.

I had the same problem, and the solution is really simple. There is no
"donut" in the seal, which depends upon a ball-joint fit.  Studs between
the manifold and the exhaust pipe are threaded on both ends. There is a gap
between the two sets of threads. You will get a tight fit only if this gap
is precisely positioned inside the flanges of the pipe and the manifold. If
there is any inconsistency, it will keep the ball joint from seating.

Solution: Get some thick washers and put them between the flange and the
nuts at the bottom of the joint. Then put two nuts on the bottom end of
each stud, to serve as locknuts. It worked for me.

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:13:11 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: fuel gauge

Nope, I wrote this correctly, that's why I'm asking list members if they
have any ideas.

>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:04:04 -0600
>From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
>Subject: Re: fuel gauge
>> Remove wire at sender, gauge pegs on F
>> Ground wire, gauge pegs on E
>> Attach wire to sender, gauge hovers at 1/4 tank
>Thats completely the wrong way around. The guage should peg full when
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
>I have no idea.
>Marcus

David Russell
David_R@mindspring.com
MRM Inc.
hdqt@mrminc.com
Kensington, MD USA
http://www.mrminc.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:13:45 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: time for a new alternator?

I rewired the Loo tonight in an attempt to get it to charge the battery.
After much research I switched around the following:

(Note: originally a 109 Petrol positive earth, now a 109 Diesel negative
earth with an alternator and a few bits of the wiring harness left)

1. Large wire from + on alternator directly to the battery (voltage reg
also missing/told this was OK)

2. Small wire from IND to charge warning light

This seemed to work. Electrical services on; heater plugs on; wait; start.
Engine starts; heater plugs off; rev engine slightly; charge warning light
dims; drive around block, light stays dim or goes out depending on engine
speed. I figured this was just a badly discharged battery. Return home;
drive across front lawn; drive down short, steep incline; stop while
pointing down; reverse up incline; charge warning light is now glowing
intensely and won't dim.

So, everything off, check connections, etc., nothing has changed. Re-start
car and light continues to glow. The only test not yet performed, and the
first one listed in the service manual, is to measure alt output in amps.
However, my meter only reads in milliamps.

My question is, is it possible I witnessed the last gasp of my alternator?
Is this how they die? Or, am I missing something (besides the voltage
regulator)?

Additionally, Iam using wiring diagram N1-3 from my reprinted manual. Can
anyone explain what item #34, "Switch, oil pressure warning light" is?

Thanks all!

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:15:34 EST
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

In a message dated 3/18/98 4:39:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk writes:

<< According to a report I read,the Germans did an experiment on lead
 levels in people.They took the lead levels of a large group of people
 living by a busy road.They then reduced the lead levels in their petrol,
 and after a considerable time lapse,took the readings again.No difference.
 Conclusion seems to be that lead in petrol has no effect on lead levels
 in people >>

Or more appropriately, lead is stored in bone tissue (Pb acts like Ca in this
regard) and stays in the system of a victim for decades.  Without proper
chelation therapy, the rate at which lead decreases in the system is very low.
Added to this, lead does not breakdown to something else (like a pesticide
will) and therefore once sprinkled on the soil, it is there permanently until
ingested or removed.  

What I am saying is, once its there, its there; all that can be done is to
prevent further deposition of lead.

As to the primitive tribes, remember that lead is naturally occurring and
depending on their environment,  there may be a high natural background level.

Nate 

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <frank.elson@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:27:33 +0000
Subject: Re: headers?

> solution I find, tends to last 12 months to the next MoT.  Last time
> the garage had the manifolds off, to fiddle around with helicoils
> and the like.   This didn't really work in the end (but got me
> through the MoT).

You can always weld the studs in.
But do remember that then if one breaks you will be replacing the 
complete manifold.   However, stud breakage is unlikely if you use 
the proper brass nuts to hold the flange on - they fail first (or at 
least that is the theory!!!)

Cheers,       Bod.

1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA

Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

  

  

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: RE-Sightings ...Yeah Right!!!!
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:40:00 -0500

Wade wrote "Maybe it was Trevor Easton in disguise"

In a J**p....!!!!!. No ....No... I won't do it. I'm a pretty easy going
chap but there are limits. (Fords, Chevy's, VWs but definitely not
rebadged J**ps)

BTW When is Zephyr going to get the name change? Or is it like boats,
you can only change the name when you change the owner?

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:23:17 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Sighting...Trevor? Elvis?

-- 
Hows the .sig file now, Trev?
You owe me a bottle of bubbly for "re-christening"!
For the list's info the 2CV is also 50 years old, 1st appeared at 
Amsterdam. (there was Traction Avant before)
Wade "I don't want to do documentation today", north of 60
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4/6 "Zéphyr"aka"Raod Muffin"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: On and Off Road Diesel was 5p/litre
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:20:00 -0500

Mike Rooth wrote; " but how do you get your stock to market."

When I was in college, the farmer from whom we rented our cottage
claimed that filtering the "red" diesel though a drum of old bread would
take out the colour. Of course you need a contact with a bakery to get
the stale bread free or it costs more than the excise tax you are
saving!

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:30:50 +0000
Subject: Re: Sighting...Trevor? Elvis?

And the Morris Minor...

I hate to think what Ardingly (the local show: Sussex) will be like.
Its co-organised by Horsham Historics, and the Morris Minor Register.  The
Minor is the only car without a limit on the number.  (I doubt most cars
reach the limit).
This year they're trying for 50 Landies (?20 present last year). I've sent
my form off, so I might actually be exhibiting!

Last year there was some mil. stuff, some Scammells, traction engines, that
sort of thing.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com on 03/18/98 02:23:17 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Sighting...Trevor? Elvis?

--
Hows the .sig file now, Trev?
You owe me a bottle of bubbly for "re-christening"!
For the list's info the 2CV is also 50 years old, 1st appeared at
Amsterdam. (there was Traction Avant before)
Wade "I don't want to do documentation today", north of 60
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data
NTC, Nokia Group
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4/6 "Ziphyr"aka"Raod Muffin"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:40:12 EST
Subject: Re[2]: A chat about seats

>I believe Defender 110s are built without the rear bulkhead, or at 
>least the 5-door models are. 

110 and 109 SW's don't have the bulkhead, they have a bar across behind 
the front seats. Allows for more leg room and such.

> I don't know why this is so.  Perhaps their longer bodies provide 
>sufficient torsional strength or perhaps there are structural 
>differences that make up for the lack of a bulkhead.

Bingo. Box-section steel B-pillar for one...the bar across helps too.

later
DaveB

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:55:32 +0000
Subject: Re: british budget

>So the price of gas is going up 5p a litre, that's about 22p an imperial
>gallon which is about 30c per american gallon. That is absolutely
>criminal.

So was the behaviour of the US Delegation at Kyoto.
(touche)

As it happens I don't have anything against the tax increase on fuel.
For a moment I thought he was only putting it on 4* and diesel, which would
have been unfair. cf. Mike Rooth's comment about unleaded being equally
bad. He's right. Aromatics, lead, or particulates - choose your poison!

The tax breaks on "clean" cars sound a good idea, but when you work it out,
no one is going to buy a dinky car because they save 50 quid/year.
(car lasts 5 years?   that's 250 quid for a 10 grand car!)
Maybe 'cos they save fuel or possibly insurance, they might...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

mtooze@tan.unl.edu on 03/17/98 05:37:26 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  british budget

So the price of gas is going up 5p a litre, that's about 22p an imperial
gallon which is about 30c per american gallon. That is absolutely
criminal. In any other place, civil war would break out...well, OK
maybe only in the US...
Kinda funny though that booze tax is frozen. At least you can go out and
get wasted for less of todays money...but ride your push bike!
Marcus

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:05:01 -0700
From: "Darrell D. Murray" <rdgrnr@flash.net>
Subject: Still room

It's getting closer to May and might be you feel we have all filled up
for the Southwestern Regional Land Rover Rally, May 14th-17th.  Well not
so!  There are runs still available.  It's a great chance to enjoy some
Arizona Rock Crawling Trails you have read about in the magazines, meet
some great folks and see some of the Old West before it's gone.  So come
on out and use them Land Rovers!  If you would like some more
information email me at rdgrnr@flash.net.  I can mail you an event
packet.
Darrell D. Murray, President
Arizona Land Rover Owners
94 Discovery

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:02:31 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: On and Off Road Diesel was 5p/litre

> > When I was in college, the farmer from whom we rented our cottage
> claimed that filtering the "red" diesel though a drum of old bread would
> take out the colour. Of course you need a contact with a bakery to get
> the stale bread free or it costs more than the excise tax you are
> saving!

What the crapping hell did the guy do with 20 loaves of stale bread
every week? Did the local bird population start taking on a 'flamingo pink'
kind of hue?

ObLandRoverContent:

I am changing out the front hub seals this week on the carawagon. I have been
told there is a 'quick' way to do this by unbolting the entire hub assembly
in one lump. Is this poss.?

Marcus 

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:14:52 EST
Subject: Fwd: Land Rover Lodge: An Exclusive Opportunity

Do you think this applies to Series vehicles too?
Nate

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Land Rover Lodge: An Exclusive Opportunity

LANHAM, Md., March 18 /PRNewswire/ -- For 50 years, Land Rover has been the
leader in the sport-utility market, with a line of authentic 4x4s capable of
taking owners anywhere they can imagine.  Now, Land Rover North America has
reaffirmed its position as a leader in the automotive marketing and sales
business, announcing a unique new product launch that offers Land Rover owners
a first-ever adventure of its kind.

Every current owner of a Land Rover vehicle in North America -- 87,000 in all
-- will today receive a 58-page brochure offering an exclusive adventure
opportunity: a journey late this summer to the Vallecito Lake Valley in
southwest Colorado to experience The Land Rover Lodge for four days.  At The
Land Rover Lodge, which will be open between August 19 and October 1, all
lodging, meals, entertainment and activities -- among them horseback riding,
fly-fishing, hiking and sporting clays -- will be courtesy of LRNA.  Expert
off-road driving instruction in Land Rover vehicles will also be available for
all levels of drivers, from novice to seasoned, under the tutelage of veterans
of the annual Camel Trophy Adventure, which is often referred to as the
Olympics of four-wheel drive.  Participation is limited to the first 9OO
owners to register.  Guests' only obligations are travel expenses and a
registration fee.

Charles R. Hughes, President, LRNA, said, "We have always recognized that a
Land Rover is more than simply a product that takes you comfortably and safely
from point A to point B.  Land Rover ownership embraces an active, outdoor
lifestyle.  It is club membership, in a group of like-minded aficionados.  The
Land Rover Lodge is the perfect embodiment of what Land Rover is all about.
We're looking forward to playing host to 900 of our owners.  It will be a
sensational group."

As a highlight of the program -- in a move unprecedented in the industry --
participants will be the first consumers in the world to have a sneak preview
of and test drive an all-new Land Rover product which will be available this
Fall.  Developed at Land Rover's Gaydon engineering facility in the U.K., the
vehicle represents a complete transformation of Discovery, Land Rover's most
popular U.S. model.

Lodge guests will have exclusive use of an 80-acre resort situated in the
scenic Vallecito Lake Valley area of the Rockies.  The 150-year-old property
features a two-story main building windowed with cut-glass panels from the
1853 World Exposition in London.  Guests will lodge in the numerous luxury
cabins worthy of a first-class mountain resort and enjoy the area's
challenging mountain roads.  The off-road driving will take the participants
to some of Colorado's most scenic vistas, many of which are not accessible by
conventional roads.

The Land Rover Lodge is an obvious extension of the Land Rover Centre concept,
the company's line of stand-alone retail facilities.  Each Land Rover Centre
is designed to be a gathering point for four-wheel-drive enthusiasts, a place
where prospective customers can go to learn more about sport-utility vehicles
in a friendly, no-pressure environment.  The first Land Rover Centre opened in
August of 1994; there are now 68 Centres in the U.S. and Canada. The Land
Rover Lodge, like a Centre, will welcome owners to an exciting adventure.  It
is the type of program Land Rover owners expect from the company, as it
reinforces the uniqueness of Land Rover ownership.

Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of Companies,
importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England. The Rover
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SOURCE  Land Rover North America, Inc.

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <bod.glass@mail.easynet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:19:09 +0000
Subject: Re: On and Off Road Diesel was 5p/litre

> When I was in college, the farmer from whom we rented our cottage
> claimed that filtering the "red" diesel though a drum of old bread
> would take out the colour. Of course you need a contact with a
> bakery to get the stale bread free or it costs more than the excise
> tax you are saving!

It will take out the colour but not the chemical signature that is 
attached to the dye.   Now that is a complex process but it can be 
done - as I proved to my chemistry teacher when I was at school.  
Only problem was I had no diesels then!!!

Cheers,           Bod.
  
     

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:21:58 +0100
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: headers?

I just had my head pipe off the manifold for the first time in 4 years. No
problems. When I bought this Rover (72 SIII 88) it had a cracked and brazed
exhaust manifold. I bought a new one and before mounting it replaced the studs
with 316 stainless steel studs. I had to make them out of bolts, but thats
easy. That idea came from a 2 liter Alfa I used to have.
Just a thought.

Tom

Richard Marsden wrote:

> And along a similar theme, "Which Manifold?"
> I have a perennial problem with the studs between the manifold and the
> exhaust downpipe.
> Basically, the threads' buggered. Whatever solution I find, tends to last
> 12 months to the next MoT.  Last time the garage had the manifolds off, to
> fiddle around with helicoils and the like.   This didn't really work in the
> end (but got me through the MoT).
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 39 lines)]
> '70 88 (in pieces)
> '73 88 (driver)

 

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:27:34 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Land Rover Lodge: An Exclusive Opportunity	        
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>Do you think this applies to Series vehicles too?
>Nate
No Nate.They arent offering maintenance tuition:-)

Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:22:08 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: british budget

no one is going to buy a dinky car because they save 50 quid/year.
>(car lasts 5 years?   that's 250 quid for a 10 grand car!)
>Maybe 'cos they save fuel or possibly insurance, they might...

Cant see how they are going to do this.DVLA have to be able to
extract the info from their files(if they've still got any).
So the only way I can see that this can be easily done is
to go on pure engine size,since that is the only info on the
mechanics of the vehicle they've got.If they put an arbitrary
cutoff *date* on it they're going to upset a helluva lot of
people who've got buzzboxes with catastrophic converters fitted,
but happen to be the wrong side of the date.
No doubt its another reason for an independant government
funded survey to prove what the funders wanted it to prove,
so we can all be impressed by the "science" involved.
Incidentally,I've seen no-one mention that low sulphur diesel
is increased by only 4.4p a litre,which probably means it will
cost the same as ordinary diesel,instead of a penny more.
What happened to Krafty Kenneth's budget pledge to bring the
price of it *down*? Eh?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:43:15 +0000
Subject: Re: british budget

>Incidentally,I've seen no-one mention that low sulphur diesel
>is increased by only 4.4p a litre,which probably means it will
>cost the same as ordinary diesel,instead of a penny more.
They must have missed that off the WWW page that I copied the figures from.
No, I hadn't seen any mention of it.

Anyone know how LPG has fared?

>What happened to Krafty Kenneth's budget pledge to bring the
>price of it *down*? Eh?
The voters didn't like him, and replaced him. The Chancellor doesn't have
to keep the promises of a previous party's Government!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:55:24 -0500
From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Subject: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

Hi lists,

In my search for more junk to fill my garage, I came upon 2 new GM
(Olds) 350 diesels.  Crated and on a pallette.  I will keep one for the
next generation of junk collectors, but the other one is FS.

Mark's adaptors has a kit for LR LT-95 and teh 5-speeds.  I know in
UK this a common conversion for RR auto boxes, so there must be a UK kit
avail.
please email with Qs
rgds
Jan

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:08:07 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: british budget

What happened to Krafty Kenneth's budget pledge to bring the
price of it *down*? Eh?
>The voters didn't like him, and replaced him. The Chancellor doesn't have
>to keep the promises of a previous party's Government!
Yes,I realise that Richard.Cant say I am fond of him myself.He *is*
a local MP.But he didnt get binned until well after he made his budget
speech.And he did nothing about it while he was in power.Just goes to
show you cant trust any of the bastards.
And as for keeping previous governments promises/policies.Well,you
could've fooled me.Cant see much difference,personally.And no,I aint a
Tory,either.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:32:19 +0000
Subject: Re: british budget

>What happened to Krafty Kenneth's budget pledge to bring the
>price of it *down*? Eh?
>>The voters didn't like him, and replaced him. The Chancellor doesn't
>have
>>to keep the promises of a previous party's Government!
>Yes,I realise that Richard.Cant say I am fond of him myself.He *is*
>a local MP.But he didnt get binned until well after he made his budget
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>could've fooled me.Cant see much difference,personally.And no,I aint a
>Tory,either.

Ken didn't seem too bad, but then he's not my local MP. He seemed to be the
only one in the Torie Party with vaguely sensible views about Europe (IMO).

Labour have a refreshing change, as regards Social Security and these
Apprentice Schemes, but we'll have to see how different it really is. Of
course, the Tories tried it with "Youth Training Schemes".  By the time I
was 15/16, they had already become a term of insult, along with "dougie"
(thicko, spaz,etc).
[Yes, I'm too young to remember Thatcher - the Early Years - I can remember
her being elected, and the Falklands, that's about it...]

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:38:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawn Swaner <shawn@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu>
Subject: Re: brake problems and diesel tank leakage

>twice and I have to brake real hard. The brakes does not seem "swampy" so I
>dont think they need to be bleeded (I am going to try that anyway). I will
>of course also check if the brakes are adjusted. I would be surprised
>though if this was the problem since a comercial workshop has fixed the
>brakes. The car has not been used after the visit to the workshop (4
>months). I will also check the vacuum and see if I dont have any steering
>servo. I am totally new to the Landrover business so now I ask you
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Best wishes,
>Peter

Peter,

I am in no way an expert, but I have had similar problems with my '62 IIa
SWB.  A couple of days ago I decided to try to fix my brakes, which I have
had to double pump for the last year.  I started bleeding the right rear
brake and noticed that the flex line that connects the line running along
the axle to the line coming from the master was bulging and soaked with
fluid.  I am not sure if this caused my problem, as I broke the copper
brake line trying to get the flex line off.  I suggest checking the 3 flex
lines (2 front, 1 back) but be careful not to break the solid lines.

I also have a small gas leak, but only when I fill the tank all the way up.
Before you remove the tank, pull out the passenger seat and check the pipe
that runs from the filler to the tank, mine has a small hole in the filler
pipe right above the tank.  It only leaks when the tank is full, so I pump
gas slowly and only put in 5 gallons at a time.

Good luck,

Shawn Swaner
'62 IIA SWB  (Looking for a 109 SW)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:43:46 +0000
Subject: Re: The header pipe

Rereading that, the "problem" makes sense.

I don't quite undstand the solution to be honest.   Where do these washers
go, and how do they make any difference?
I think the studs have two nuts each at the moment (or they have done in
the past). Also, I know what you mean about the "ball-joint" fit, I think.

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

eheite@dmv.com on 03/18/98 12:53:39 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  The header pipe

Richard Marsden writes:
>I have a perennial problem with the studs
>between the manifold and the exhaust downpipe.
I had the same problem, and the solution is really simple. There is no
"donut" in the seal, which depends upon a ball-joint fit.  Studs between
the manifold and the exhaust pipe are threaded on both ends. There is a gap
between the two sets of threads. You will get a tight fit only if this gap
is precisely positioned inside the flanges of the pipe and the manifold. If
there is any inconsistency, it will keep the ball joint from seating.
Solution: Get some thick washers and put them between the flange and the
nuts at the bottom of the joint. Then put two nuts on the bottom end of
each stud, to serve as locknuts. It worked for me.

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:31:32 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: That 109 bar...

The bar behind the seats has nothing to do with structure... it's for the 
rear seat passengers to bang their heads on in an accident (unless 
they're wearing their official LRNA baseball cap with Boddington-can 
personal crumple zones ). 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:54:45 -0500
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Was Reverse light problem, now Passed Inspection

Hello;
Thanks to all who gave ideas Re: the reverse light. This morning the
Rover passed inspection anyway.  This yaer the laws must have changed,
the mechanic asked me why last year I required emmissions testing and
this year, the computer only required Safty inspection. I didn't care,
it was only $10 not $35, I saved $25.

So I ordered the switch from RN and guess how much it cost.... about
$25.

Will it get installed by next year? Depends on what breaks between now
and then

Thanks again
Keith R. Mohlenhoff

------------------------------

From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:51:06 -0800

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:00 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs

Mike Smith wrote:

> >25 years old or older can enter the US. I know when Rovers leave
military
> service in the UK they get "re-registered" with a Q or O reg, or
something.
> What happens with the year? Most SIII's for the military were built in
> "lots" with no real year weren't they?

>I believe the "25 year old" rule refers to age of the vehicle since
registration, not model year. Just because it's hard to determine the
age of a vehicle doesn't mean US Customs will automatically assume it is
over 25 years old. The person importing ex-MOD SIII's may have found a
loophole in the enforcement proceedures rather than the law itself.

According to the pamphlet I have from US Customs on importing vehicles
to the US, any vehicle that was MANUFACTURED more than 25 years ago
(from the time of importation) can be brought into the US without
restriction.  Not registered, manufactured.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:58:34 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: british budget

>Ken didn't seem too bad, but then he's not my local MP.

He's not mine either.Next constituency along...

 He seemed to be the
>only one in the Torie Party with vaguely sensible views about Europe (IMO).
Oh,sure.You really *want* to pay for the Franco/German pension scheme?
>only one in the Torie Party with vaguely sensible views about Europe (IMO).

>Apprentice Schemes, but we'll have to see how different it really is. Of
>course, the Tories tried it with "Youth Training Schemes".
Problem is,if there arent any jobs,you end up with the best qualified
dole queue in the known universe.

, and the Falklands, that's about it...]

Oh yes.....
"Sarnt"
"Sir?"
"You musnt call these people Bennies"
"Sir"
"You got that Sarnt?"
"Yessir.We musnt call the Bennies,Bennies,sir"
<sigh>"Carry on Sarnt".....
It happened......
Cheers
Mike Rooth

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:15:02 +0000
Subject: Re: headers?

Welding is beyond my abilities at the moment, although I could get someone
to do it.
If I'm taking the manifolds off, to do this - then it isn't much more to
replace them!
(okay, costs a little more, but less work and its the proper engineering
solution)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

frank.elson@btinternet.com on 03/18/98 01:27:33 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: headers?

> solution I find, tends to last 12 months to the next MoT.  Last time
> the garage had the manifolds off, to fiddle around with helicoils
> and the like.   This didn't really work in the end (but got me
> through the MoT).
You can always weld the studs in.
But do remember that then if one breaks you will be replacing the
complete manifold.   However, stud breakage is unlikely if you use
the proper brass nuts to hold the flange on - they fail first (or at
least that is the theory!!!)
Cheers,       Bod.
1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA
Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 12:42:42 EST
Subject: Re: That 109 bar...

>>The bar behind the seats has nothing to do with structure... 

right then, they don't have em on the 110's so ok. But it does help a 
little. Speshly if the t-piece is so much corn flakes at the bottom.

>it's for the rear seat passengers to bang their heads on in an accident 
>(unless they're wearing their official LRNA baseball cap with 
>Boddington-can personal crumple zones ). 

I like it. The widget releases a cushion of gas at the moment of impact...a new 
twist on an already brilliant idea Bill!

later
DaveB

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <bod.glass@mail.easynet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:42:10 +0000
Subject: Welding Manifolds (was: Re: headers?)

> Welding is beyond my abilities at the moment, although I could get
> someone to do it. If I'm taking the manifolds off, to do this - then
> it isn't much more to replace them! (okay, costs a little more, but
> less work and its the proper engineering solution)

The best way to gain welding as an ability is to practice and welding 
a loose stud into a manifold is far from the most difficult job I can 
think of.

If you are thinking of changing the manifold then maybe that gives 
you a good excuse to practice your welding!    That way it doesn't 
matter if it goes wrong and if it goes right you get a couple more 
years service out of your existing manifold.

Cheers,           Bod.
  
     

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:50:11 +0000
Subject: Re: headers?

Okay, I'll see what I can do when start buying the bits. New studs, nuts
and gaskets, all-round of course!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

tspoto@az.com on 03/18/98 06:21:58 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: headers?

I just had my head pipe off the manifold for the first time in 4 years. No
problems. When I bought this Rover (72 SIII 88) it had a cracked and brazed
exhaust manifold. I bought a new one and before mounting it replaced the
studs
with 316 stainless steel studs. I had to make them out of bolts, but thats
easy. That idea came from a 2 liter Alfa I used to have.
Just a thought.
Tom
Richard Marsden wrote:
> And along a similar theme, "Which Manifold?"
> I have a perennial problem with the studs between the manifold and the
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 45 lines)]

------------------------------

From: Solihull <Solihull@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:49:58 EST
Subject: Re:  Exchange Rates

No drew, ya got it backwards! One dollar, yankee money is worth Oh point six
nine Pounds Sterling. LRs are still cheaper there, though.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

------------------------------

From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: Trip to Colorado
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:02:00 -0500

 
 LANHAM, Md., March 18 /PRNewswire/ -- For 50 years, Land Rover has been
the leader in the sport-utility market, with a line of authentic 4x4s
capable of taking owners anywhere they can imagine. Now, Land Rover
North America has reaffirmed its position as a leader in the automotive
marketing and sales business, announcing a unique new product launch
that offers Land Rover owners a first-ever adventure of its kind.
Every current owner of a Land Rover vehicle in North America -- 87,000
in all -- will today receive a 58-page brochure offering an exclusive
adventure opportunity: a journey late this summer to the Vallecito Lake
Valley in southwest Colorado to experience The Land Rover Lodge for four
days. At The Land Rover Lodge, which will be open between August 19 and
October 1, all lodging, meals, entertainment and activities -- among
them horseback riding, fly-fishing, hiking and sporting clays -- will be
courtesy of LRNA. Expert off-road driving instruction in Land Rover
vehicles will also be available for all levels of drivers, from novice
to seasoned, under the tutelage of veterans of the annual Camel Trophy
Adventure, which is often referred to as the Olympics of four-wheel
drive. Participation is limited to the first 9OO owners to register.
Guests' only obligations are travel expenses and a registration fee.
Charles R. Hughes, President, LRNA, said, "We have always recognized
that a Land Rover is more than simply a product that takes you
comfortably and safely from point A to point B. Land Rover ownership
embraces an active,outdoor lifestyle. It is club membership, in a group
of like-minded aficionados.

The Land Rover Lodge is the perfect embodiment of what Land Rover is all
about. We're looking forward to playing host to 900 of our owners. It
will be a sensational group."
As a highlight of the program -- in a move unprecedented in the industry
-- participants will be the first consumers in the world to have a sneak
preview of and test drive an all-new Land Rover product which will be
available this Fall. Developed at Land Rover's Gaydon engineering
facility in the U.K., the vehicle represents a complete transformation
of Discovery, Land Rover's most popular U.S. model.
Lodge guests will have exclusive use of an 80-acre resort situated in
the scenic Vallecito Lake Valley area of the Rockies. The 150-year-old
property features a two-story main building windowed with cut-glass
panels from the 1853 World Exposition in London. Guests will lodge in
the numerous luxury cabins worthy of a first-class mountain resort and
enjoy the area's challenging mountain roads. The off-road driving will
take the participants to some of Colorado's most scenic vistas, many of
which are not accessible by conventional roads.
The Land Rover Lodge is an obvious extension of the Land Rover Centre
concept, the company's line of stand-alone retail facilities. Each Land
Rover Centre is designed to be a gathering point for four-wheel-drive
enthusiasts, a place where prospective customers can go to learn more
about sport-utility vehicles in a friendly, no-pressure environment. The
first Land Rover Centre opened in August of 1994; there are now 68
Centres in the U.S. and Canada. The Land Rover Lodge, like a Centre,
will welcome owners to an exciting adventure. It is the type of program
Land Rover owners expect from the company, as it reinforces the
uniqueness of Land Rover ownership.
Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of
Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull,
England. The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BMW Group,
Munich, Germany. SOURCE Land Rover North America, Inc.

------------------------------

Date: 	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:08:29 +0100
From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Subject: Re: brake problems and diesel tank leakage

At 09:32 1998-03-18 +0100, you wrote:
>Welcome Peter,
>Check if the brakes are adjusted,  I would not be surprised  ift the 
>workshop has not done this correctly, judging by the syptoms the 
>shoes are to far from the drums, hence you have to pump them.

Checked it and they are perfectly adjusted. Also checked the vacuum and it
seems to be gone. A quick look at the vacuum hoses did not reveal the
problem. Does anybody have ideas on where to look or ways to test which
component that might be faulty? In my LR manual they mention that it is
possible to renovate the servo unit using a repair kit from LR. Has anybody
tested that? Could the lack of vacuum really explain why I have to pump the
brakes? 

/Peter
_____________________________________________________

Peter Thoren
Work:  Department of Genetics
       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

Home:  Långmyrtorp
       740 20 Vänge
       Phone/fax: +46 18 39 20 56
       e-mail: same as above
______________________________________________________

------------------------------

From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: brake problems and diesel tank leakage
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:20:05 -0800

>From what I understand, lack of vacuum assist would be indicated by a
very heavy brake pedal - because you are not being helped by the servo
unit...

Still sounds like your problem is on the other side of the master
cylinder (the high pressure side)

If it has sat for some time, you might have air in the system.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

------------------------------

From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: LRNAs exclusive opportunity
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 13:56:51 EST

***
>Do you think this applies to Series vehicles too?
>Nate
No Nate.They arent offering maintenance tuition:-)
***

nor is there any mention of beer consumption in the
curriculum or, for that matter, a Saab pull...

....<YAAAAWWWWN>....

and I'll be quite surprised to find they've still got
our number-it's only been 31 years since we last bought
a new rover...(rover still runs and the phone number
is unchanged so they've really no excuse, do they?).

rd/nige

------------------------------

From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:18:14 EST
Subject: Re-Is it safe to weld?

Well I decided to throw caution to the wind and just weld the thing. And I am
still here to tell the tale!. 
As there was no break in the axle casing and I was welding on top of the
original welds, on the top of the axle tube I just attacked it with the MIG
welder. The weld runs were small (about 6 inches total) so having tack welded
the mount in place I made the repair in four section allowing a little cooling
time in between. Absolutely nothind untoward happened. No smoke, no flames, no
funny noises or smells, and above all no explosion.
I am still amazed that prior to inspecting the suspension after some hectic
off roading, I had absolutely no idea that the spring mount was damaged. The
first clue was that the coil spring appeared to be curved. This led me to look
harder at the mountings. Only then did I realise that the spring to axle
mounting was slightly off centre. Once I jacked the vehicle up by the chassis
the spring mount just came clean away from the axle. What had kept it in place
is a mystery.

Mike Rogers
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:38:37 EST
Subject: Re: Welding Manifolds (was: Re: headers?)

>The best way to gain welding as an ability is to practice and 
>welding a loose stud into a manifold is far from the most difficult 
>job I can think of.

eh?
Welding a stud into a manifold? Why would we want to do this again? I'm sorry I 
must have mssed soemthing. Without the explanation this sounds like it could 
only be a bodge.

later
DaveB

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:47:00 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Exchange Rates

Great page on exhange rates that I ofthen use when ordering from the UK at...

www.dna.lth.se/cgi-bin/kurt/rates

Gives you up to date exchange rates for all types of currency.
See ya!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:59:58 EST
Subject: LRNA in Colorado

Land Rover Lodge: An Exclusive Opportunity

LANHAM, Md., March 18 /PRNewswire/ -- For 50 years, Land Rover has been the
leader in the sport-utility market, with a line of authentic 4x4s capable of
taking owners anywhere they can imagine.  Now, Land Rover North America has
reaffirmed its position as a leader in the automotive marketing and sales
business, announcing a unique new product launch that offers Land Rover
owners a first-ever adventure of its kind.

Every current owner of a Land Rover vehicle in North America -- 87,000 in
all -- will today receive a 58-page brochure offering an exclusive adventure
opportunity: a journey late this summer to the Vallecito Lake Valley in
southwest Colorado to experience The Land Rover Lodge for four days.  At The
Land Rover Lodge, which will be open between August 19 and October 1, all
lodging, meals, entertainment and activities -- among them horseback riding,
fly-fishing, hiking and sporting clays -- will be courtesy of LRNA.  Expert
off-road driving instruction in Land Rover vehicles will also be available
for all levels of drivers, from novice to seasoned, under the tutelage of
veterans of the annual Camel Trophy Adventure, which is often referred to as
the Olympics of four-wheel drive.  Participation is limited to the first 9OO
owners to register.  Guests' only obligations are travel expenses and a
registration fee.

Charles R.  Hughes, President, LRNA, said, "We have always recognized that a
Land Rover is more than simply a product that takes you comfortably and
safely from point A to point B.  Land Rover ownership embraces an active,
outdoor lifestyle.  It is club membership, in a group of like-minded
aficionados.  The Land Rover Lodge is the perfect embodiment of what Land
Rover is all about.  We're looking forward to playing host to 900 of our
owners.  It will be a sensational group."

As a highlight of the program -- in a move unprecedented in the industry --
participants will be the first consumers in the world to have a sneak
preview of and test drive an all-new Land Rover product which will be
available this Fall.  Developed at Land Rover's Gaydon engineering facility
in the U.K., the vehicle represents a complete transformation of Discovery,
Land Rover's most popular U.S.  model.

Lodge guests will have exclusive use of an 80-acre resort situated in the
scenic Vallecito Lake Valley area of the Rockies.  The 150-year-old property
features a two-story main building windowed with cut-glass panels from the
1853 World Exposition in London.  Guests will lodge in the numerous luxury
cabins worthy of a first-class mountain resort and enjoy the area's
challenging mountain roads.  The off-road driving will take the participants
to some of Colorado's most scenic vistas, many of which are not accessible
by conventional roads.

The Land Rover Lodge is an obvious extension of the Land Rover Centre
concept, the company's line of stand-alone retail facilities.  Each Land
Rover Centre is designed to be a gathering point for four-wheel-drive
enthusiasts, a place where prospective customers can go to learn more about
sport-utility vehicles in a friendly, no-pressure environment.  The first
Land Rover Centre opened in August of 1994; there are now 68 Centres in the
U.S.  and Canada.  The Land Rover Lodge, like a Centre, will welcome owners
to an exciting adventure.  It is the type of program Land Rover owners
expect from the company, as it reinforces the uniqueness of Land Rover
ownership.

Land Rover North America, Inc.  is a member of the Rover Group of Companies,
importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England.  The Rover
Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BMW Group, Munich, Germany.

SOURCE Land Rover North America, Inc.
CO: Land Rover North America, Inc.
ST: Maryland, Colorado
IN: AUT
03/18/98 10:10 EST http://www.prnewswire.com

Standard disclaimer...
Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile
Denver Colorado


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:34:52 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: SIII rebuild questions

Dear All,

I have just pulled the firewall of the wife-rolled 88", now its time for
a severe case of shipfitters disease, before I reassemble the wagon.
It's also time to tidy a few things up. Here I have a few questions.

I have just received the new firewall (Dkr 3000 / about £300 - not too
bad) - before fitting it will be sand-blasted and metalised - does anyon
have any good tips for rustproofing and protecting the hollow door
posts? (No dip-galvanizing, not available locally, and I dont want to
buckle it - isn't dip galvanised finish difficult to get the paint to
adhere to?)

The clutch fluid pipe on a left hand drive goes from the left of the
car, crosses the motor on the firewall, drops down via a rubber hose,
then becomes a tube again which is fed behind the motor to reach the
slave cylinder - one question WHY? (Other than being a modification from
the British RHD, I cannot see a logical reason for such a circuitous
route - would it not be better to drop direct from the master to the
slave, with a flexhose between to allow for motor vibration? Has anyone
tried this?

How easy is it to replace the brake lines yourself? I want to replace
the 2 forward lines between the junction and the wheels, and the two
short tubes on the hubs?

Any words of wisdom welcome...

Adrian Redmond

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: SIII rebuild questions
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:48:49 -0800

Hi Adrian,

Having just completed (almost) what you are doing now...

I just primed and painted my fire wall.  Once everything is back on, I
will have the insides professionally treaded with wax oil.

Don't know about the clutch pipe routing.  As the slave is on the right
side, I guess the pipe has to cross over somewhere.  Best the have it
cross up high out of harms way.

I replaced all of the brake pipes myself.  It is very easy to do,
especially with all of the wings ect. removed.  I bought OEM brake pipes
that were pre-cut and bent.  This made installation MUCH easier.
Particularly the one that goes from the main junction down under the
transmission and then forward to the front left brake.  I just slipped
it in and it fell into place!

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:17:44 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SIII rebuild questions

Paul Quin wrote:
Don't know about the clutch pipe routing.  As the slave is on the right
side, I guess the pipe has to cross over somewhere.  Best the have it
cross up high out of harms way.

That's my point - if the clutch master and slave cylinders are on the
same side of the vehicle on a LHD, then what is the point of running the
tube left to right - over the motor, down, then behind the motor right
to left again - seems like a waste of pipe and a few extra connections,
and one more tube to get in the wat when trying to time the engine on
the right hand side.

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:23:18 -0500
From: masmith <masmith@barint.on.ca>
Subject: FOR SALE {many parts}

Hi everyone well i guess its time to sell everything {sadily}.
   Here is a list of things i have for sale.
   
   1. landrover 109 frame complete over haul new rear cross
member,reinforced on bottom sides redone.new outriggers two inch lift.
frame in very good shape 
   asking $1500.00

   2.chevy 6 cylinder conversion comlpete less clutch:
    includes:230 cubic inc engine rebuilt new never started,comes with
carb,starter,engine mounts everything to bolt in to a rover.
asking $1500.00

  3.defender conversion kit includes hood and grill,fits series 3
in good shape needs little work.
  asking  $500.00

  4. 6 cylinder bulkhead completely redone:new door posts,new dropin floors
ready to go,bulk head is complete with new wiring harness ,mostparts have
been redone.

  

  please contact tony smith at masmith@barint.on.ca  or call me for more
info at 705-424-1953 if im not home leave a msg.

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:30:44 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: On and Off Road Diesel was 5p/litre

Yes. Just disconnect the brake hose, the steering ball joints and then the axle
flange. Voila.

Marcus Tooze wrote:

> > > When I was in college, the farmer from whom we rented our cottage
> > claimed that filtering the "red" diesel though a drum of old bread would
> > take out the colour. Of course you need a contact with a bakery to get
> > the stale bread free or it costs more than the excise tax you are
> > saving!
> What the crapping hell did the guy do with 20 loaves of stale bread
> every week? Did the local bird population start taking on a 'flamingo pink'
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> in one lump. Is this poss.?
> Marcus

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:07:24 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs

I should proof read my messges before sending. I wrote:

> I believe the "25 year old" rule refers to age of the vehicle since
> registration, not model year.

What I meant was "age of the vehicle since manufacture", not "since
registration".

Now, it can difficult to document the date of manufacture of an over 25
year old vehicle, but if you have documentation showing the vehicle was
registered, etc. over 25 years ago then that establishes that it was
built over 25 years ago also.

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:12:55 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

Jan Ben wrote:

> In my search for more junk to fill my garage, I came upon 2 new GM
> (Olds) 350 diesels.  Crated and on a pallette.  I will keep one for
> the
> next generation of junk collectors, but the other one is FS.

Don't confuse the Olds 350 diesel and the later 6.2 litre and 6.5 litre
GM diesels. The 6.2 was a completely new engine, and the 6.5 is a major
revision of the 6.2. I've only seen references to 6.2/6.5 conversions.

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SIII rebuild questions door posts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:06:43 -0800

For the steel posts - use the same method used in steel yacht construction
locally.
I recommend epoxy coating after chemical stripping and blasting (if
possible).

------------------------------

From: Solihull <Solihull@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:01:05 EST
Subject: Re:  LRNA in Colorado

>>Every current owner of a Land Rover vehicle in North America -- 87,000 in
>>all -- will today receive a 58-page brochure offering an exclusive adventure
>>opportunity
Yeah, right. I'll be camping at the mailbox. LRNA has steadfastly ignored us
series owners since 1987. So what else is new? Nu? Have they *really* sold 87
thousand RRs, discos and defenders over here in eleven years? That would be
just under eight thousand units a year. Could have happened.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:11:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE {many parts}

>Hi everyone well i guess its time to sell everything {sadily}.
>   Here is a list of things i have for sale.

Blah, Blah, Blah.......
I've seen this post three times now and each time I have the same question..

Where are you?

I don't need (can't afford) any of your stuff but someone might. Maybe you
should include some sort of a location for the next time we see your post.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:10:00 EST
Subject: Re:  Help with overdrive

Probably (hopefully) won't need a complete rebuild.  Here are a couple fixes
you can try in about an hour:

I've got a Toro overdrive and had some problems w/ it sticking in one range.
Things that could cause your problem and have helped mine w/ similar probs:
try moving the selector fork on its operating shaft toward the low range
position--just take the top off the overdrive and loosen up the bolt holding
the selector fork onto the shaft (scribe a mark where it is now for a
reference point) and then move it a teeny bit back toward the rear of the
overdrive, since that's where low range is engaged.

Also check the pads that attach to your selector fork to the wheel-thingy
(excuse the technical terms)--they run in the grooves on the ring around the
synchro--they can wear down so they're really narrow and allow that ring to
play too much--easy to replace.  If you're dumb, like me, you can even put in
Fairey selector fork pads, which work.  I did it b/c I didn't realize I had a
Toro.

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109SW Mrs. Merdle
jarvis64@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:20:47 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Miltary vehicles

Overt the years I have purchased several ex ministry vehicles, both directly
at government auctions and also privately.  Miltary vehicles have a vin
plate, just  like civilian ones, they also have a year of manufacture. If
the year of manufacture can be established at de commisssioning then in the
UK they are registered at that date. Q plates are only used for vehicles
which have no known year of manufacture, or are hybrids. At one time the
miltary did not give out any informatiomn on year of manufacture when the
vehicles were sold as is where is etc.
 I currently own a 2 door ex miltary 109, here in Western New York complete
with vin plate ( they didnt call them vin plates in the old days, just the
chassis identification plate ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:20:52 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Salisbury

Bill Rice,

 your existing u bolts will fit the salisbury, if you are using the same
springs. by the way you will need a different prop shaft, the snout on the
salisbury is longer than the standard diff so you need a shorter shaft.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:20:57 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Petrol prices

I fel sorry for you Limeys back home !!. here in NY the price of gas has
just fallen by about 10% over the past few weeks  so we are now paying
almost 70 pence for a UK gallon at current exchange rates
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:22:41 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Back up lights

A. P. "Sandy" Grice wrote:
 To pass inspection, just hook up a
> switch and flick it when the inspector asks for "reverse".  (At least in
> Virginia - especially with Rovers with all those shift levers - inspectors
> usually permit the owner to cue all the lights/equipment while he watches
> from the outside.)  Cheers

The same deal with the e-brake.  For years I would do the same thing.
When asked to put on the e-brake, I would push the brake pedal while the
guy tried to push the Rover to see if it would hold. (No ignition on
meant no brake lights to give me away!) Sneaky eh?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:59:09 -0800 (PST)
From: hstin@cts.com (The Brothers Stinson)
Subject: Brake Lamp Actuator

Hello,
        I've noticed that the brake lights on my Series III 88' come on only
when the pedal is pushed down hard followed by a long delay.  I've cleaned
all the electrical conections with no apparent change.  Is the actuator that
resides on top of the brake tower adjustable, or is it simply trashed? Later...

                                                        Henry Stinson
'73 88' SHED   

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:22:25 EST
Subject: Re: FOR SALE {many parts}

I wasn't going to say anything, BUT - since the ad keeps popping up...

$1500 FOR A REBUILT CHASSIS!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You've GOT to be kidding!

I will now read from the March issue of the scriptures (LROI), page 45,
chapter 2, verse 2...(the advertisement for Designa Chassis, who happens to
make NEW Land Rover chassis)

"Heavy duty leaf spring chassis - LWB - Price GBP 920.00" (if painted black).
This equals about $1400.00. I can't imagine it costing any more than $400.00
to throw it into an ocean container, and ship it over here, since you can
DRIVE a running truck onto a ship, for $1275.00, and it'll arrive at Port
Hueneme, Ca.!

Whatever happened to "swap meet" prices?

Charles (who refuses to pay $250.00 for a L.H. Steyr AUG bolt)

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Lamp Actuator - Adjustment
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:57:36 -0800

Easily adjustable - open up the hood and take a look at it!
It is located on the frame that the brake booster assemble is attached to.
Loosen the big nut and turn the switch in.  There never has been nor will be
an easier one to adjust - except maybe on my Ural (same thing - no hood
though)

Cheers
David
Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:04:57 +0100
From: Joost Kramer <jkramer@best.ms.philips.com>
Subject: Re: Salisbury

Hi,

Why is salisbury diff more interesting than a standard diff? What are
the benefits? 

Regards, 

Joost Kramer

William L. Leacock wrote:
> Bill Rice,
>  your existing u bolts will fit the salisbury, if you are using the same
> springs. by the way you will need a different prop shaft, the snout on the
> salisbury is longer than the standard diff so you need a shorter shaft.
> Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
>  88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:25:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Salisbury

Built out of lumps of metal they find on Salisbury Plain!  :-)
["my car has Cheftains for Differentials..."]

More seriously...

Its much tougher. Original Rover diffs break half-shafts like nobody's
business.
Salisbury's are rumoured to be indestructible.

Mil SIII 109s like mine have a rear salisbury.
101s have a front one as well.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

jkramer@best.ms.philips.com on 03/19/98 10:04:57 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Salisbury

Hi,
Why is salisbury diff more interesting than a standard diff? What are
the benefits?
Regards,
Joost Kramer
William L. Leacock wrote:
> Bill Rice,
>  your existing u bolts will fit the salisbury, if you are using the same
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)]

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:52:33 -0500
From: masmith <masmith@barint.on.ca>
Subject: FOR SALE {many parts}

Hi everyone well i guess its time to sell everything {sadily}.
   Here is a list of things i have for sale.
   
   1. landrover 109 frame complete over haul new rear cross
member,reinforced on bottom sides redone.new outriggers two inch lift.
frame in very good shape 
   asking $1500.00

   2.chevy 6 cylinder conversion comlpete less clutch:
    includes:230 cubic inc engine rebuilt new never started,comes with
carb,starter,engine mounts everything to bolt in to a rover.
asking $1500.00

  3.defender conversion kit includes hood and grill,fits series 3
in good shape needs little work.
  asking  $500.00

  4. 6 cylinder bulkhead completely redone:new door posts,new dropin floors
ready to go,bulk head is complete with new wiring harness ,mostparts have
been redone.

  

  please contact tony smith at masmith@barint.on.ca  or call me for more
info at 705-424-1953 if im not home leave a msg.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: New GM 350 diesel FS in NJ : $700

The Olds 350 - isn't that the one GM built out of a gas engine block and
ended up replacing all of them?

I hope I'm wrong because that's a nice deal for a new Diesel, but that's
what memory tells me...

               ajr

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