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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:56:54 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: LR Sighting... very rare for this area (US)

>happened across a truly rare sight, for these parts at least. There sitting
>atop a large auto-transport were a couple of ex-MOD 2-door 109"s, an ex-MOD
>88", and an, ex-MOD Lightweight. Hoods, and full camo... At least one still
>had UK plates (K reg) They were riding North.
>  Where could they possibly be going? I figure either ME or Canada (maybe
>VT). Anyone have the skinny? I had to turn off onto rt3 in Burlington, so
>was unable to follow for very long...

I think they might have been going to Mike Compoza, a plumber from the
Portland, ME area who's hobby is Rovers. I recently heard from the guys at
Land Rover Scarborough that he located a group of ex-MOD stock that he was
going to bring in as he found a way to get new VIN for the 1980's SIII's
that would allow them in under the 25 year old rule. I'm sure the plan is
to sell them, he builds a Rover a year or so to sell, has a lot of used
parts too. Nice enough guy.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 7:52:35 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Mostly Metro list...

Sandy, we're all alive and well thank you very much. There hasn't been 
much activity due to the unusually mild winter that has left most of our 
vehicles intact.
We'll certinly see you at the BBCD and a host of other events this spring 
and summer.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:16:26 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Mostly Metro

Some times I think _barely_ alive. It seems that the folks on the list have
all been _really_ busy and had little time for Roverin' type activities. I
hope once the weather turns a little nicer and the days a little longer,
we'll become more active.

>From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
>Subject: Mostly metro
>Is the "mostly metro" group/list still alive?  It's been mighty quiet for a
>while....  Cheers

The "Mostly Metro" group/list is a group of Washington DC area (+/- a few
hundred miles) Land Rover owners who contact each other via an e-mail list
and get together for picnics, off-roading, mechanical help, tool lending,
etc. The group is not a club but most belong to at least one Rover Club
(OVLR, ROAV, R.O.V.E.R.S, etc.).

>From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:51:03 -0500
>Subject: Re: Mostly metro
>?????? What is the "Mostly Metro" Group???????? (forgive my ignorance)

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:13:29 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Good Bye Husla  (LR content)

Sorry to hear of you loss Jeff,
I'm sure everyone is going to miss reading of your adventures with Hulsa.

Keith Elliott

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:29:24 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: All the best Jeff

Jeff,
      Just had a mental image of your dog making itself at home and taking
a nap behind the desk here at ECR when you stopped in last. Sorry for your
loss. All the best from ECR's staff.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:45:29 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Web-Page Update

Hi all...

Just a quick note to tell you I've added some more piccies to my web-page
(the URL's at the bottom) from a recent head restoration and an even more
recent RTV trial. Hope you enjoy.

All comments welcome (preferably constructive ones- no flames please I'm
British!!).

PS - There's also some animated GIF's that I made during a quiet
afternoon!! (but don't tell the boss!!)

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:17:19 +0300 (EET)
From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Subject: Re: Kid's Electric Land Rover?

An ad frequently appears in LROI with the heading "rebel replicas".
I think this is a UK based company that sells plans, kits and assembled
replicas. Quoting from memory they have SI's and SII's and the kit is
priced at about 800 UKP. I can try to find their number if you want.
Any disclaimers that may be deemed necessary for the US people ......

Semih Bingol
74 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:34:33 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: SIII ex-MODS

Dear all,
Got an email for a guy about VIN changes. The guy in portland ME bringing
in SIII ex-MOD Rovers is doing so LEGALLY! This VIN change isn't dark and
dirty thing to be hidden from eyes on the list. The SIII militarys were
built in "lots" and had no real specific year with the VINs. He got some
togethher and was able to get clearance to bring them in as post-25 year
old vehicles proving that the spec.s and models (and a ton of other
paperwork I'm sure) were correct, so the US governement would allow them
in. DAP did the same type of thing many years ago. The issued VIN related
to the vehciles that otherwise from MOD were just a "lot" or "batch" of
SIII's. So before I get another email, these Rovers are legal, how the got
here was legal, I think they are going to be for sale, legally. So chill
out, the importer has nothing to hide, from the list, the government, or
his potential customers. I'm glad he has been "up front" about how they
came to be here, rather than a bunch of rumors about illegal this and that
around him.
Have a great day!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:54:35 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Back up lights

Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com> wrote:

>I have a 1971 IIA SWB, there are reverse lights on the rear but, there
>is no switch near the gear shift.

>The wires from the reverse lights terminate in the engine compartment in
>a little double barrel rubber covered connector, but no wires from there
>to any where else.

It *should* have had a switch (and lights), so most likely a non-functional
switch was removed by the P.O.  The bracket is held in place by existing
bolts (selector shaft cover? I forget), so you won't see any extraneous
holes.  Unfortunately, the original reverse switch is N.L.S.  Unavailable
anywhere, except scrounging from parts vehicles.  RN supposedly has sourced
a replacement that works similarly.  To pass inspection, just hook up a
switch and flick it when the inspector asks for "reverse".  (At least in
Virginia - especially with Rovers with all those shift levers - inspectors
usually permit the owner to cue all the lights/equipment while he watches
from the outside.)  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:49:58 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODS

Speaking of which, Blanchards have some SIII 109" GS, left-hand drive. The
advert says "Export only".

They advertise in most of the mags.  Location: Just outside Market
Weighton, East Riding (of Yorkshire).

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:48:02 -0800
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Re: Deep snow trick

     Thanks everyone for the snow tips and info. 
     
     I'll make sure to bring ALL of my extraction equipment! I don't know 
     that I'll be able to add the grading disc's to the front bumper by 
     next weekend but....... 
     
     I also posted a message awhile ago about a winch made here in Portland 
     Oregon by a company called Beaver. I picked the thing up on Saturday. 
     If anyone is interested I can send a scanned photo for posting on 
     someone's web site. Let me know if there is any interest.
     
     I need to try and mount this thing. How concerned should I be at 
     drilling holes in the frame to bolt it in? Would some sort of U-bolts 
     around the horn be better? If anyone know of URL's that show winch 
     mounts and could mail me directly, it'd be a big help.
     
     Again, Thanks for the info.
     
     tew

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From: B4UTRY <B4UTRY@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:04:26 EST
Subject: Re: Series 1 for sale, Victoria, BC

yes Paul the phone number please

B4UTRY@AOL.COM

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:15:39 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODS

At 03:49 PM 3/17/98 +0000, Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) wrote:
>Speaking of which, Blanchards have some SIII 109" GS, left-hand drive. The
>advert says "Export only".

 Export "from" the UK does not mean "import" to the US/Canada.
 These vehicles probably cannot meet UK MOT standards, much
 less European TUV.  Probably one step away from being junked.

-Michael

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:24:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: RE: Kiddie Land Rover

Seems the easiest would be to buy a jeep one and not take it out of the box.
Just cut holes for the wheels. an opening in the tope so the youngster can sit
in it and cable tie the box up so that the wheels stick out and viola the boxy,
light, durable, Land Rover

Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:28:32 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODS

I didn't say "import to US/Canada", but if they're standard 109" GS, then
they are the same type as the 25 yr old vehicles being imported.

I assumed the DVLA were trying to crack down on UK-owned LHD vehicles, by
limiting the ex-MOD stuff.

The picture looks okay in the ad, but this means nothing of course.

As regards junking, the same advert has a Carmichel Fire Engine (6x4 Rangie
conv.) which has some fairly minor crash damage (maybe the chassis is
bent??).   That is advertised with the rest - no mention of export.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

cs@landrover.net on 03/17/98 04:15:39 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: SIII ex-MODS

At 03:49 PM 3/17/98 +0000, Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) wrote:
>Speaking of which, Blanchards have some SIII 109" GS, left-hand drive. The
>advert says "Export only".
 Export "from" the UK does not mean "import" to the US/Canada.
 These vehicles probably cannot meet UK MOT standards, much
 less European TUV.  Probably one step away from being junked.
-Michael

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:42:33 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: UK Budget - 5p/litre!!!!

Well he's just added around 5p per litre to leaded petrol (and about the
same on deisel). Sod!!

He's also cut road tax on piddly little cars with low emissions by 50
quid!! - we'll all have to go out and buy nissan micras!! (I'll cut my own
tackle off first!!)

On the up-side he's frozen the tax on spirits (can I convert my LR to run
on vodka??)

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:06:59 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: UK Budget - 5p/litre!!!!

Well he's just added around 5p per litre to leaded petrol (and about the
>same on deisel). Sod!!
In a non-inflationary way,of course.So all the major transport
systems in the country,plus agriculture(Agriculture.Remember it?)
will pay more and....absorb it? Man's an utter plonker.
He's also cut road tax on piddly little cars with low emissions by 50
quid!! - we'll all have to go out and buy nissan micras!! (I'll cut my own
>tackle off first!!)
No,no,dont do it!Just find a tax *exempt* S11 or 11A,or 111.
Cheers
Mike Rooth.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:07:40 -0800

Here in Victoria, we have been running our Land Rover's on lead free
fuel for 10+ years. Leaded fuel was banned in the mid 1980's in Canada.
No one that I know of has put the hardened valve seats in their vehicles
and yet, after 10 years and 100,000 + miles, the engines are still
chugging along with good compression!

Back when we got the lead out, there was a big uproar and shrieks of
horror from the classic car mob (myself included) but since the ruckus
died down, I have never heard of a motor failing because of unleaded
gas.  Has anyone out there heard of this?

I have seen the environmental reports showing a massive decline in the
levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere.  I think that this is a good
thing.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88  (still with soft valves)
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:13:56 +0000
Subject: Re: UK Budget - 5p/litre!!!!

I thought ag. was allowed to use red diesel....

Re. Road Tax:  Indeed - I should be tax free within 12 months. Also, I bet
the "diddy car owners" pay more than 50 quid more than me in insurance, and
I'm still under 25.

Richard

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 03/17/98 05:06:59 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: UK Budget - 5p/litre!!!!

Well he's just added around 5p per litre to leaded petrol (and about the
>same on deisel). Sod!!
In a non-inflationary way,of course.So all the major transport
systems in the country,plus agriculture(Agriculture.Remember it?)
will pay more and....absorb it? Man's an utter plonker.
He's also cut road tax on piddly little cars with low emissions by 50
quid!! - we'll all have to go out and buy nissan micras!! (I'll cut my own
>tackle off first!!)
No,no,dont do it!Just find a tax *exempt* S11 or 11A,or 111.
Cheers
Mike Rooth.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:33:44 +0000
Subject: Those Budget Figures...

For those on the main list, wondering what the heck is happening, here's
the posting I've just put on uk-lro. Things are much fairer than they might
at first have seemed!

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
----------------------------------------
>From  http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/budget/soon.htm:
(ie. unleaded goes up 4.4p;  leaded goes up 4.9p; I think this is fairer)
Commercial Road Tax also drops by GBP 500 for the cleaner vehicles.
R.
Spirits no change
 Beer up 1p per pint
 Wine up 4p per bottle
 Moves to clamp down on smuggling
 Packet of 20 Cigarettes up 20p
 No rise in basic or top rate income tax for this parliament
 No change in mortgage tax relief
 Unleaded petrol up 4.4p per litre as of 6:00pm today
 Leaded petrol up 4.9p per litre as of 6:00pm today
 Diesel up 5.5p per litre as of 6:00pm today
 No increase on road tax for cars, but a ?50 reduction for those
 using the smallest and more environmentally friendly vehicles
 Road tax on cleanest commercial vehicles cut by up to ?500
 Married couples allowance to be reduced to 10% from April 99
 Child benefit to be raised by ?2.50 per week for the first child
 No National Insurance to be paid on the first ?81 per week
 An additional ?500 million to be invested in public transport
 A ?50 million a year rural transport fund to be set up
 ?250 million extra for education
 ?500 million extra for NHS
 Inflation target - 2.5% 1999
 Advanced corporation tax abolished
 Corporation tax lowered 1p to 30p in the pound
 Small companies tax to be cut to 20% from April 99
 Capital gains tax reduced from 40p to 24p in the pound for longer
 term investments
 Annual cash limit for ISA's raised to ?3,000
 ?50 Million from the windfall tax allocated to helping young
 unemployed
 New advice for 70,000 long term unemployed
 ?60 million for pilot programmes to help partners of unemployed
 men find work
 A single organisation will deal with both income tax and national
 insurance contributions
 New childcare tax credit of up to 70% on first ?100 spent
 Stamp duty on properties below ?250,000 unchanged. Properties
 above ?250,000 stamp duty up by 2%. Propeties above ?500,000
 stamp duty raised by 3%
 VAT on home insulation materials cut from 17.5% to 5% if installed
 through certain goverment backed schemes
 Pledge to close up ?1.5 billion worth of tax advoidance loopholes

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:36:01 EST
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

In a message dated 3/17/98 12:12:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Paul_Quin@pml.com writes:

<< Back when we got the lead out, there was a big uproar and shrieks of
 horror from the classic car mob (myself included) but since the ruckus
 died down, I have never heard of a motor failing because of unleaded
 gas.  Has anyone out there heard of this?
 
 I have seen the environmental reports showing a massive decline in the
 levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere.  I think that this is a good
 thing. >>

The lead toxicity issue is bad for adults but devasting for children.  No safe
level of lead ingestion has ever been found.  Low levels cause significant
loss of IQ points which can never be recovered.  Worst effects are in cities,
old houses and along busy motorways.  

I've heard the horror stories about valves.  Never actually seen it.  Anyway,
the hardened seats and valves are relatively cheap and well worth the
protection of children from lead toxicity.

Nate

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:37:26 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: british budget

So the price of gas is going up 5p a litre, that's about 22p an imperial
gallon which is about 30c per american gallon. That is absolutely
criminal. In any other place, civil war would break out...well, OK
maybe only in the US...

Kinda funny though that booze tax is frozen. At least you can go out and
get wasted for less of todays money...but ride your push bike!

Marcus

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:46:13 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

-- 
Paul:
I've been wondering just the same thing...When I bring Zenith home,
how long can I go before I would need to change the head. Here in
Finland, the only leaded gas is 99, so I've been using that, also in
order to cut down on the "dieseling" I've experienced when the engine
got good & warm & to avoid knocking. One thing I remember: "long ago"
when my mom & I went from Ont. to the Upper Penninsula (Mich), there
being leaded gas at home, and unleaded in the States, I had to adjust
the fuel mixture screw on the 70 Dodge Dart Slant Six's carb to
prevent stalling at idle. After that everything was a-ok to
Minneapolis and back. Maybe there was some ethanol in the gas then?
But I have absolutely no recollection of anybody ruining valve seats
back then. Yes, this lead thing sounds a bit suspicious to me.
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4                   "Zéphyr"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:54:32 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

-- 
By the way, what if one uses "top oil"; is that a lead substitute?
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4                   "Zéphyr"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:02:09 -0800

I've read and understand the theory of what lead additives are supposed
to do in an engine as far as adding a layer of lubrication & protection
to the valves but from what I've seen, this protection is only really
needed for extreme operating conditions such as long distance high speed
cruising (in a Land Rover ?!?) or heavy loads such as running a gen
set...

I'm sure that lack of lead increase the rate of wear in the valve seats,
but after 10 years, our engines are still going strong.

My brother had a 1960 Pontiac into which he put a 1971 Chevy LT1 350
mated to a Muncie 4 speed.  This baby put out close to 400 hp.  The
compression ratio was higher than 11 to 1.  This was an engine that
really needed high octane fuel.  But when we switched to unleaded, as
long as we used fuel with an octane rating (pump) of 94, it ran fine.

Paul.

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From: kerryscott@usa.net
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:51:12
Subject: Open Letter to Jeff Meyer

Like many I was saddened to learn of the loss of Husla.  I subscribed to LRW 
and sought out a set of back issues mostly to read of your travels together.  I 
hope that you will continue to travel and to write about it.  Even more, I hope 
you will seek out another canine companion.  In our house we now have three 
dogs and three cats, all adoptees of unknown extraction.  They are our children 
and we love them (most of the time anyway).

All the best<
Kerry

____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:24:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Hoosla

Jeff,
      There really aren't words to describe the passing of a friend and
companion like Hoosla.  Hoosla's memory will live on in all of us who have
read of your exploits together, as well as those of us that have met you
both.  My lab Cassie and I are always travelling together and our
relationship is one that I treasure.  My heart goes out to you...

My deepest sympathy to you for your loss,  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 Discovery-"Chukka", 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series
IIA 88", 1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO," 1963 MB Unimog "The Caterpillar"

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:00:23 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: SIII ex-MODs

Dear UK members,
A few questions. A local guy is selling ex-MOD SIII. The US gov. says only
25 years old or older can enter the US. I know when Rovers leave military
service in the UK they get "re-registered" with a Q or O reg, or something.
What happens with the year? Most SIII's for the military were built in
"lots" with no real year weren't they? So if you bought a SIII 109 ex-MOD
at a gov. auction, when you register it can you tell them it is a 1972
SIII? Or??? What is the scope??
Might explain how a truck load of SIII's can get into the US.
Thanks in advance!!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:00:51 +0100
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

What do you mean by "top oil"? Is that the same as Marvel Mystery Oil?

R. Wade Hughes wrote:

> --
> By the way, what if one uses "top oil"; is that a lead substitute?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> R. Wade Hughes
> Integration Engineer, NMS for Data
> NTC, Nokia Group
> Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
>    or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:08:37 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Add to the list....

I saw a (not especially wonderful) movie over the weekend called "White 
Squall" about a square-rigged high school ship. Supposed to take place in 
the early sixties. Two separate Caribbean land-lubber scenes with a 
Series 3 (!) in the BG. Also an early eighties-vintage turboprop aircraft 
in the airport scene...whoops!. A note: Dear Mr. Ridley Scott...your 
continuity department stinks....

Also, did anyone else note the 110 in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit 
issue? In case you're wondering, NO, I didn't get the magazine just 
because it had a Land Rover in it. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnung_Jensen?=" <bjjen13b@online.no>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:31:37 +0100

Here in Norway both SHELL and Statoil claim that the Potassium compound.
which has replaced the lead compound in all of our fuel range (low octane to
high octane), completely cures the problems regarding valve seats etc. As
far as I understand (after having been in contact with both companies
technical departments) they recommend using a high octane rating for engines
supposed to "require lead", even if the engine only requires a low octane
fuel. This is because the higher concentration of Potassium compound in that
fuel ensures a good "lubrication".

Norway have been without lead for quite some time and according to these oil
companies, absolutely no problems has been reported. I have not talked to
any classic car club though, anyone on the list with comments?

By the way, there is supposed to be a oil company in UK who offers this kind
of fuel at heir stations, but I have forgotten the name.

Regards
Bjoernung Jensen
Norway

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Re:5-door bulkheads:
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:51:31 -0500

        I had a 109 S/W  which had a bar across between the two door
pillars. I think it was more like a hand rail for the passengers to hold on
to rather than support. I used it to hang things on and the kids hang on to
it when they were in the back. I took out the original bench seat and put
two bucket seats from a Chrysler in the back and the same in the front. It
made it a lot better ride.
    The bulkhead in an 88" is not removable as such. I cut it in such a way
that it gave me the room which I needed to fit my bucket seats. Why may you
ask dose one need more room to fit seats!. When you are 6-5"  and your
knees wont even go under the steering wheel you will come up with some good
reasons to do what you do. I still carn't get into a 101. There built for
short ass   drivers. I have a Steer 1. which I am still trying to work out
how and what seats I can put into her with out altering the body because I
want to keep it original. At the moment I drive with my knees around my
ears.  
----------
> From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 8:25 PM
> In a message dated 3/16/98 8:17:24 PM, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> pat
> 93  110

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:54:22 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

Paul Quin wrote:
> Here in Victoria, we have been running our Land Rover's on lead free
> fuel for 10+ years. Leaded fuel was banned in the mid 1980's in Canada.
> No one that I know of has put the hardened valve seats in their vehicles
> and yet, after 10 years and 100,000 + miles, the engines are still
> chugging along with good compression!
> Back when we got the lead out, there was a big uproar and shrieks of
> horror from the classic car mob (myself included) but since the ruckus
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> thing.
> Paul Quin
 Certainly getting the lead out is a good thing but it certainly can
play havoc with a Land Rover engine if you have your valves and seats
ground or lapped the valves in during a "head off" job. This is because
the lead is in a very thin layer that lasts along time until disturbed.
Your valve seat life can then be measured in weeks. BTDT and no damn T
shirt!
    John and Muddy

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:59:54 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: time for a new alternator?

I rewired the Loo tonight in an attempt to get it to charge the battery.
After much research I switched around the following:

(Note: originally a 109 Petrol positive earth, now a 109 Diesel negative
earth with an alternator and a few bits of the wiring harness left)

1. Large wire from + on alternator directly to the battery (voltage reg
also missing/told this was OK)

2. Small wire from IND to charge warning light

This seemed to work. Electrical services on; heater plugs on; wait; start.
Engine starts; heater plugs off; rev engine slightly; charge warning light
dims; drive around block, light stays dim or goes out depending on engine
speed. I figured this was just a badly discharged battery. Return home;
drive across front lawn; drive down short, steep incline; stop while
pointing down; reverse up incline; charge warning light is now glowing
intensely and won't dim.

So, everything off, check connections, etc., nothing has changed. Re-start
car and light continues to glow. The only test not yet performed, and the
first one listed in the service manual, is to measure alt output in amps.
However, my meter only reads in milliamps.

My question is, is it possible I witnessed the last gasp of my alternator?
Is this how they die? Or, am I missing something (besides the voltage
regulator)?

Additionally, Iam using wiring diagram N1-3 from my reprinted manual. Can
anyone explain what item #34, "Switch, oil pressure warning light" is?

Thanks all!

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:59:59 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: fuel gauge

Remove wire at sender, gauge pegs on F
Ground wire, gauge pegs on E
Attach wire to sender, gauge hovers at 1/4 tank

Bad gauge?

If bad gauge, with ammeter that can't be used w/alt, upgrade?

Thanks again

P.S. Anybody catch the flame war on the RRO list ?

Cheers

David Russell
1997 Discovey SD 5-speed
90% of the pieces needed for a 1969 SIIA "Bugeye" 88" SW Petrol
1965+/- SIIA 109" P/U Diesel, "Loo" (Thanks DaveB)
1977 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (sort of)
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:00 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs

Mike Smith wrote:

> 25 years old or older can enter the US. I know when Rovers leave military
> service in the UK they get "re-registered" with a Q or O reg, or something.
> What happens with the year? Most SIII's for the military were built in
> "lots" with no real year weren't they?

I believe the "25 year old" rule refers to age of the vehicle since
registration, not model year. Just because it's hard to determine the
age of a vehicle doesn't mean US Customs will automatically assume it is
over 25 years old. The person importing ex-MOD SIII's may have found a
loophole in the enforcement proceedures rather than the law itself.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:04:04 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: fuel gauge

> Remove wire at sender, gauge pegs on F
> Ground wire, gauge pegs on E
> Attach wire to sender, gauge hovers at 1/4 tank

Thats completely the wrong way around. The guage should peg full when
grounded, and empty when disconnected. Are you sure you wrote that
the right way around? If not, then it's simply the sender, if so, then
I have no idea.

Marcus

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From: "daviscar" <Daviscar@concentric.net>
Subject: For jeff & Hoosla & anyone who has lost a friend.
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:12:18 -0600

JEFF
 
This is something that was passed to me when I lost a friend of mine. I
hope it will help 

Sorry to those of the list who don't understand.

Bruce - Chicago

> Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.
> When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that

pet
> goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our
special
> friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food and
> water and
> sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who
had
> been
> ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or
maimed
> are
> made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of
days
> and
> times gone by.
> The animals are happy and content, except for one thing: they miss

someone
> very
> special to them. who had to be left behind.
> They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops

and
> looks into the distance. The bright eyes are intent; the eager body
quivers.
> Suddenly he begins to break away from the group, flying over the green
grass,
> his legs carrying him faster and faster. You have been spotted, and when
> you and
> your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion,
> never to
> be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again
caress
> the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your
> pet, so
> long gone from your life but never absent from your heart. .
> Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together. . . . . . . .
> be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again
 

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:06:06 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

Shell Canada put out a brochure with the same or similar claims when the great
white north went lead free.Personally I have had to rebuild three of my vehicles
cylinder heads due to the exhaust valves becoming recessed down the exhaust
port.The change is not cheap if you rebuild it completely.High speed driving
accelerates the deterioration.

Bjørnung Jensen wrote:

> Here in Norway both SHELL and Statoil claim that the Potassium compound.
> which has replaced the lead compound in all of our fuel range (low octane to
> high octane), completely cures the problems regarding valve seats etc. As
> far as I understand (after having been in contact with both companies
> technical departments) they recommend using a high octane rating for engines
> supposed to "require lead", even if the engine only requires a low octane
> fuel. This is because the higher concentration of Potassium compound in that
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Bjoernung Jensen
> Norway

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODS
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:01:25 -0500

I think I missed something.  Who is the guy in Maine selling them?  Does he
have a web sight/e-mail?  Thanks.

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
(109 - Still Looking)

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: For jeff & Hoosla & anyone who has lost a friend.
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:06:29 -0500

Well Said!!!  This is my hope as well.  My condolences Jeff & Hoosla.  I
don't know you, but I've been there before.  Just keep all the happy
memories until the time you meet again.  God Bless.

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
(109 - Still Looking)

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:21:01 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye Hoosla  (LR content)

My deepest,deepest and most sincere sympathy to you Jeff if your out there.I
will always remember Hus patiently waiting and then padding along behind
your vehicle as we pushed our way through Lemkes Trail at
Calabogie.......Damn it hurts.

john cranfield wrote:

> Those of us who enjoyed reading of the exploits of Jeff Meyer in
> LandRover World will be saddened to hear of the unexpected death of his
> faithful companion Hoosla. Rarely do a man and his dog mesh so
> completely as Jeff and Hoos. Jeff you have my sympathy.
>       John and Muddy

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:46:43 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: LR for son...was for daughter

Abandon hope Con P Seitl. Your only chance is to sell all the Rovers ,all
your tools and buy a Lazy Boy recliner, otherwise you will suffer from
perpetual sore pockets , sharp stabbing pains in your wallet, plus permanent
oily fingernails.Welcome to the club.
Sons.....1970, 1973,1975,1977   ........Land Rovers `56,`58,
70-109SW,74-88,79-Lwt. 80-109Mil.   75-101GS...two SDI`s...one dog, two
cats.......Oi Gevalt...... another  mouth I cannot feed.Now about this
Daughter thing,..........Hhmmm, think dowries, Hhmmm, could be on to
something here.

> Got no daughters, but three sons. Started with #1 son when he was 14,
> ended up swapping through two other Rovers before he ended up with the
> one he has now. It sits in the garage awaiting rear springs, tune up and
> some other bits done, while #2 son races around the yard with his '62 IIa
> pickup. (#2 doesn't have licence yet) and #3 son is using "psycho" on me
> till he gets his own Rover. He's looking through the classifieds and
> making sure I see he's picked out a few Su*uk*s that might interest him.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: british budget
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:34:09 -0300

On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze) wrote:

>Kinda funny though that booze tax is frozen. At least you can go out and
>get wasted for less of todays money...but ride your push bike!

Even that isn't a safe bet. While at university in Aberdeen (the one in 
Scotland) a bloke in my digs was stopped, charged and fined for being drunk in 
charge 
of his bicycle, on the way home from the pub.

------------------------------

From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Add to the list....
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:34:16 -0300

On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> wrote:
>I saw a (not especially wonderful) movie over the weekend called "White 
>Squall" about a square-rigged high school ship. Supposed to take place in 
>the early sixties. Two separate Caribbean land-lubber scenes with a 
>Series 3 (!) in the BG. 

The scenes with the LR parked on the steep street are from St. George's, 
Grenada, 
the Caribbean's parking equivalent of SF. You might add the title to Lloyd 
Allison's 
movie list, although I just add those that actually have LRs taking part 
intentionally.
Allan

------------------------------

From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:05:09 EST
Subject: Re:  tires

I had XC4s w/ good tread on 'em when I got my 109, but they wore out after
about a year and a half and I got BFG M/T's (235/ 85 16's) to replace them.  I
wouldn't go back for the world.  I still have one brand spanking new XC4
that's my spare.  It's got a tube!  If you are simply desperate to get XC4's
I'd gladly sell you this one b/c to me it's just a spare.  I'm in NY State

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109 SW--Mrs. Merdle
jarvis64@aol.com

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:18 EST
Subject: Re:  Salisbury selection

This weekend I'll be driving to a place that has 6 used Salisbury axles.  I
need to pick one.  Any thing special I should look for (beyond play in the
pinion, water/ rust inside, etc.)

Can I use the same U bolts to bolt the Salisbury axle to my springs or will I
need new?

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109SW  Mrs. Merdle

------------------------------

From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:26 EST
Subject: Re:  leaning rover

Can I correct the lower-on-the-drivers-side (LHD) tilt of my Rover by
switching the springs around, or is the height difference (which I understand
to be intentional b/c most were RHD and they figured the drivers'd spend most
time in them alone) a result of where the shackles and springs attach to the
frame?  

A friend has one w/ different length shackles on the Left side to correct this
deficiency.  SPOT or good idea?

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109SW   Mrs. Merdle
jarvis64@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:13:55 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: headers?

	Friend is having h*ll of a time NOT breaking his exhaust manifold(s). 
Any
suggestion on 
a) Better than genuine LR manifold.. stockish
b) Use of a header with stock intake and carb?
He's cracking the manifolds at the rearmost exhaust pipe stud. Rest of
exhaust is stock.
Oh, it's a 67 88 2.25 gasser.
TIA    Peter

Peter
'60 109SW
'64 88
'70 88 (in pieces)
'73 88 (driver)

------------------------------

From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Exchange Rates
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:22 -0500

Hi All:
    I was just going through some of the For Sale ads in Land Rover World &
was curious if I was right on prices.  Is it true that an English Pound is
worth about .64 in US Dollars?  If so, it's hard to believe how cheap some
of the Rovers are over there.  If it is true, does anyone know about how
much it would cost to import one to New York?  Thanks.

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
(109 - Still Looking)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:47:30 -0500
From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: ***1989 RANGE ROVER PRICED TO SELL***

Excellent condition. White w/Sorrell Beige leather seats. 3.9L high
compression motor, 4 speed ZF
auto-box, Borg-Warner t-case. 103K miles. Never off-road. New tires around.
Dry steering box.
Brushbar. CD Changer. This is the vehicle you want! No ABS to fail, no air
suspension to leave you
on the bump-stops, and no airbags to show their angry warning lights. Some
say this is the best year
for the Range Rover Classic. The good mechanicals with the least
electronics to wake Lucas. Photos
available. I need to sell this truck by months end. I can even arrange
financing. I'm located just
outside of Philadelphia. Transportation available nationwide. LET'S MAKE A
DEAL!!!!

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)665-4451 office fax
(609)273-9708 home
(609)458-6671 cellular
ICQ #5696173
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'70 IIa Lightweight
'89 Range Rover (For Sale: $10,495 OBO)

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:36:30 +0100
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Add to the list....

Add "Some Girls" to the list of movies. A 109 three door in several scenes. 
Being driven
in Quebec, in the Winter. Even rushing "granny" to the Hospital.

Tom Spoto

Allan Smith wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> wrote:
> >I saw a (not especially wonderful) movie over the weekend called "White
> >Squall" about a square-rigged high school ship. Supposed to take place in
> >the early sixties. Two separate Caribbean land-lubber scenes with a
> >Series 3 (!) in the BG.
> The scenes with the LR parked on the steep street are from St. George's, 
Grenada,
> the Caribbean's parking equivalent of SF. You might add the title to Lloyd 
Allison's
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> intentionally.
> Allan

 

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From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:06:08 EST
Subject: Help with overdrive

I have 65 IIa 88 with i think is a toro overdive it has just started to jump
out of low range anyone have an idea if i can rebuild the unit i can call one
of the east coast guys RN AB or DAP i probably got it from one of those houses
but the truth is that my wife bought it for a gift for me.    Thanks in advace
for any help.

Dave Walls
65 (mostly red ) 88'
Landchaser   

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:15:03 -0500
From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Subject: Re: Exchange Rates

drew squires wrote:

> Hi All:
>     I was just going through some of the For Sale ads in Land Rover World &
> was curious if I was right on prices.  Is it true that an English Pound is
> worth about .64 in US Dollars?  If so, it's hard to believe how cheap some
> of the Rovers are over there.  If it is true, does anyone know about how
> much it would cost to import one to New York?  Thanks.
> Drew Squires
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> drewteri@concentric.net
> (109 - Still Looking)

Hey Drew,      Looking at the Royal Bank daily chart it appears that 1.00 US
+1.66BRP
                Dan.    '61 SII 88 HT

> Hi All:

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:30:54 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Exchange Rates

No such luck Drew, more like 1.65. but you are much better off than we poor
sods in the Great White North, our exchange rate is approximately 2.4

drew squires wrote:

> Hi All:
>     I was just going through some of the For Sale ads in Land Rover World &
> was curious if I was right on prices.  Is it true that an English Pound is
> worth about .64 in US Dollars?  If so, it's hard to believe how cheap some
> of the Rovers are over there.  If it is true, does anyone know about how
> much it would cost to import one to New York?  Thanks.
> Drew Squires
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> drewteri@concentric.net
> (109 - Still Looking)

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:58:47 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: headers?

Does he have the correct thermostat installed? Not the single acting North 
American
type but the skirted double acting type.This is important.The manifold faces 
should
be installed with non seize compound on the flanges. The manifold should be 
checked
to ensure the studs and bolt holes are an easy fit. Note how large the holes 
are on
the exhaust branches,( for expansion purposes). Somethings got to give at the
temperatures it experiences.Some castings can be very tight.The four nuts 
holding the
inlet to the exhaust castings should not be tightened down too tight ,only
pinched.Install the assembly to the head and tighten the head fastenings to 
approx.
17 lb.ft.Note the inlet or exh. pulling in to line on the head.Finally tighten 
the
four nuts on the studs holding the two castings together.

Peter wrote:

>         Friend is having h*ll of a time NOT breaking his exhaust manifold(s). 
Any
> suggestion on
> a) Better than genuine LR manifold.. stockish
> b) Use of a header with stock intake and carb?
> He's cracking the manifolds at the rearmost exhaust pipe stud. Rest of
> exhaust is stock.
> Oh, it's a 67 88 2.25 gasser.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> '70 88 (in pieces)
> '73 88 (driver)

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:00:19 -0500
From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Subject: Sightings...Yeah Right!!!!

Hey,
   I  was out and about this Sunday just past and had just pulled out of a plaza
parking lot and was awaiting the light to change when up ahead, coming through
the intersection making a left hand turn (so coming towards me) I noticed this
very brightly painted (hurt your eyes in the sun yellow) Jeep, of the Cherokee
style, every thing was this shade of yellow, grill, bumpers, headlight bezels,
-you get the idea- obviously his paint scheme had done it's job and caught my
eye. But wait, its not ALL yellow the roof and rear sides around the windows are
painted Limestone and was that really a Land Rover crest just behind the front
wheel? I'm not too sure and by the time I could stop laughing to ask my wife
what she saw it was behind us and the light was changing.
      I'm just glad that I was in my pick-up so's not to draw too much attention
to myself from the Jeep owner.
      This was in Oakville at Dorval just north of the QEW.
       Just had to share.
           Dan '61 SII 88 HT

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:22:53 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Salisbury selection

It is difficult to tell is a U-bolt is OK - I know that when changing
old U-Bolts (I have done 8 axles - 32 U bolts in the last 3 years) they
often break with the force of unbolting - the question is, those that
dont break, are they OK - or are they "nearly broken" - and will they
break at some unopportune time? U-Bolts are cheap - I'd change them
every time!

Good luck

Adrian Redmond

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Date: 	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:31:24 +0100
From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Subject: brake problems and diesel tank leakage

I have finally joined you people in the land of the Landrovers. Yesterday I
picked my 109 STW diesel 1975 up and drove it 500 km back to home.
Everything worked fine except for two things. First the brakes is not good
at all. All cylinders have been changed and most brake pipes. Brake shoes
are all new. It is not possible to stop the car without braking at least
twice and I have to brake real hard. The brakes does not seem "swampy" so I
dont think they need to be bleeded (I am going to try that anyway). I will
of course also check if the brakes are adjusted. I would be surprised
though if this was the problem since a comercial workshop has fixed the
brakes. The car has not been used after the visit to the workshop (4
months). I will also check the vacuum and see if I dont have any steering
servo. I am totally new to the Landrover business so now I ask you
experianced Landrover owners if there might be other things to check? Any
suggestions?

On my way home I stopped to fill diesel. I quicly realised there was a hole
in the dieseltank. Diesel starts to pour out when the tank is almost full.
Is it worthwile trying to fix the hole (best way?) or is it necessary to
renew the hole tank?

Thanks to all who replied on my questions about heat, steering and safety.
I could check the steering for 500 km yesterday and I agree with those who
say it is not a big problem. By the wah the LR has seats from a Chevy
van...Very nice.

Best wishes,

Peter 
_____________________________________________________

Peter Thoren
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       Uppsala University
       Box 7003; S-750 07 Uppsala
       Phone: +46 18 67 12 69
       Fax:   +46 18 67 27 05
       e-mail peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:05:08 EST
Subject: Re: Add to the list....

Just picked up a copy of "Get Carter", with Michael Caine, circa late '60's
(FINALLY, available on tape!)

The lads keeping an eye on him, are driving a SIIA 109 5-door. They even use
if to push a Sunbeam Alpine off of a dock! (yes - there's somebody in its
trunk)

Charles

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:32:11 +0100
Subject: Re: brake problems and diesel tank leakage

Welcome Peter,

Check if the brakes are adjusted,  I would not be surprised  ift the 
workshop has not done this correctly, judging by the syptoms the 
shoes are to far from the drums, hence you have to pump them.

On the Tank, just pull it out and judge by what you find, if it is 
rusted through, I would replace it. Mechanical damage could be repaired 
by welding, provided you steam clean it first!!

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:47:48 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Sightings...Yeah Right!!!!

-- 
Maybe it was Trevor Easton "in disguise"...:+)
Just joking, Trevor, just joking...

Wade in Finland

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:52:12 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Bardahl Top Oil

-- 
Bardahl Top Oil was always on the shelf at Canadian Tire with STP &
the other additive "stuff". Little black can with the green Bardahl
drop trademark. Anybody ever use it?
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, NMS for Data    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor      82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    "Mom'z Car"
00045 Helsinki, Finland     70 Land Rover SIIA 109 Petrol     "Zenith"
  Tel: (358-9)-511-6332     73 Citroen 2CV4                   "Zéphyr"
  Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Email: hughes@shire.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
   or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:21:10 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs

Mine has a delivery date (19th Jan '1973). This is on the Vehicle Card held
at Beverley.  They charge GBP 12.50 to look up a vehicle. They like to have
the Mil. Reg. No. and Chassis No. if possible (both should be on the mil.
VIN plates).
The card also includes transfers - hence I know mine had two stints in
N.Ireland and served with the Gurkhas for most of the '80s.

You don't have to have a Q reg. Mine didn't when I bought it. Maybe an
owner changed it.
Vince, a mate of mine, bought a similar (but newer) SIII 109" FFR last
autumn from a mil. dealers. He took it home on trade plates and registered
it himself.  The plates are age related, but I don't know what data he
had/had to provide to do this.

The mil. VIN number also has a contract number. EMLRA store contract
numbers in their archives (so I'm listed as a member with address, vehicle
type, chassis number,etc). A quick scan through the latest membership list
showed that my contract number was unique amongst the current membership.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

ecrover@midcoast.com on 03/17/98 08:00:23 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  SIII ex-MODs

Dear UK members,
A few questions. A local guy is selling ex-MOD SIII. The US gov. says only
25 years old or older can enter the US. I know when Rovers leave military
service in the UK they get "re-registered" with a Q or O reg, or something.
What happens with the year? Most SIII's for the military were built in
"lots" with no real year weren't they? So if you bought a SIII 109 ex-MOD
at a gov. auction, when you register it can you tell them it is a 1972
SIII? Or??? What is the scope??
Might explain how a truck load of SIII's can get into the US.
Thanks in advance!!
From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:26:20 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: UK Budget - 5p/litre!!!!

>I thought ag. was allowed to use red diesel....

It is,but how do you get your stock to market? Incidentally,so are boats.
Not *just* fishing and workboats,but your floating gin palace type boats
as well.Nice for some,innit?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:36:31 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

>I have seen the environmental reports showing a massive decline in the
>levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere.  I think that this is a good
>thing.

According to a report I read,the Germans did an experiment on lead
levels in people.They took the lead levels of a large group of people
living by a busy road.They then reduced the lead levels in their petrol,
and after a considerable time lapse,took the readings again.No difference.
Conclusion seems to be that lead in petrol has no effect on lead levels
in people.Indeed,apparently the community with the highest recorded lead
levels in the world is some sort of godforsaken primitive tribe that
lives miles away from a road of any sort.I can understand the coorrelation
between high lead when water supplies are via lead pipes and the like,
but petrol? Naah. Now unleaded.That really *is* a killer,and you dont
even have to burn it.Just breathe deeply at the pump....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <frank.elson@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:08:57 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII ex-MODs

> I believe the "25 year old" rule refers to age of the vehicle since
> registration, not model year. Just because it's hard to determine
> the age of a vehicle doesn't mean US Customs will automatically

In the UK the age of 25 years is important because, for vehicles of 
that age or more, there is no road tax payable.

However, the question of the age of an ex-military vehicle and its 
application to being tax-exempt seems to be quite a lottery.

In our local club one guy bought an ex-MOD SIII 2 years ago and the 
registration document said 'Approximate Year of Manafacture:   
1970-1974'.   He got it registered as tax-exempt even though it could 
not have been 25 years old as a SIII at the time.

However, another guy has an ex-MOD FFR and has a letter from 
LandRover linking its chassis number to a build date of 1970.  
However he has been told that it cannot be tax exempt because it was 
put on a 'V' (1980) plate not a 'Q' (special vehicles) plate.  But 
others have been told that 'Q' plates cannot be tax-exempt under the 
25 year rule.

Cheers,       Bod.

1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA

Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <frank.elson@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:08:57 +0000
Subject: Re:  leaning rover

> Can I correct the lower-on-the-drivers-side (LHD) tilt of my Rover
> by switching the springs around, 

That all depends on the nature of the height difference but I guess 
that the drivers side spring has 'sagged' slightly.  This is usually 
more of a problem on RHD models as the prop-shafts are also on the 
drivers side.   Swapping springs may work but should only be regarded 
as a very short term solution.  This is especially true as springs 
are relatively cheap.

> or is the height difference (which
> I understand to be intentional b/c most were RHD and they figured
> the drivers'd spend most time in them alone) a result of where the
> shackles and springs attach to the frame?  

The drivers side spring has more curve in it than the passenger 
side.   The left spring on a RHD is the same as the right spring on a 
LHD (and vice-versa).   The intentional height differences are due to 
a difference in the springs - not their fittings.

> A friend has one w/ different length shackles on the Left side to
> correct this deficiency.  SPOT or good idea?

Sorry but that idea does not appeal - but I am not exactly sure 
why!!!

The part numbers for the front drivers side are:

SWB Petrol:   SPR241283
LWB Petrol:   SPR265627
SWB Diesel:   SPR265627
LWB Diesel:   SPR276034

And for the passenger side:

SWB Petrol:   SPR242863
LWB Petrol:   SPR264563
SWB Diesel:   SPR264563
LWB Diesel:   SPR265627

All these assume a standard 2 1/4 engine.  V8 and 6 cyl engines have 
different springs (not surprisingly)

As can be seen the same springs are used in different applications on 
different vehicle variants.  It can be very difficult to identify 
what you have got but the top leaf should have a part number stamped 
on it near the front mounting bush.

If the height difference is not great then don't bother trying to do 
anything about it and it may be cheaper (depending upon local prices) 
to dissemble the old springs and have them re-tempered locally.  But 
that assumes that the individual leaves have not worn too much (or 
cracked!)

Cheers,       Bod.

1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA

Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <frank.elson@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:08:57 +0000
Subject: Re: brake problems and diesel tank leakage

> On the Tank, just pull it out and judge by what you find, if it is
> rusted through, I would replace it. Mechanical damage could be
> repaired by welding, provided you steam clean it first!!

Change it for a new one unless you have a very good reason for 
keeping the old one (like you are a professional welder with 
experience of fuel tanks - I assume this is not the case or you would 
not have asked!)

Even after steam cleaning the fuel can still linger.  Not such a 
problem with diesel as it is with petrol but do you know the tank has 
NEVER held petrol.

My experience is that once they are distrurbed they leak and once 
they leak they need replacing - they are not worth repairing; if you 
survive the event then they will only leak again before too long.

Cheers,       Bod.

1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA

Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

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From: "Bod (Ian Boddison)" <frank.elson@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:08:57 +0000
Subject: Re: headers?

> He's cracking the manifolds at the rearmost exhaust pipe stud. Rest
> of exhaust is stock. Oh, it's a 67 88 2.25 gasser. TIA    Peter

Use a shorter front down pipe so that it don't hit the floor so 
often!  And make sure the pipework is routed OVER the chassis 
cross-members out of harms way.

If you really want to make the exhaust in-vunerable then route it up 
through the front wing using a length of flexi-exhaust but that is 
abit radical for anything but serious off-roaders.

Cheers,       Bod.

1971 LWB  -  [Clifford]
Petrol    SIIA

Rights of Way Officer
(Manchester & District LandRover Club)

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:42:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Exchange Rates

The US Dollar at present converts at $1.74/pound.....

               aj"Just bought some"r

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:49:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

Lead gets from cars into the atmosphere, then into the top few inches of
the oceans.

Analysis of the upper few inches of the mid-Atlantic in the early '90s,
showed an increase in lead.  More significantly, it had the isotope
fingerprint of Europe, rather than the US.
(lead originating in the two continents have different isotope ratios).
This was put down to the US removing lead from their petrol a decade or so
before Europe.

See, I *can* remember something from an undergrad. geochemistry lecture!
:-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 03/18/98 09:36:31 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Unleaded Fuel -- good or bad

>I have seen the environmental reports showing a massive decline in the
>levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere.  I think that this is a good
>thing.
According to a report I read,the Germans did an experiment on lead
levels in people.They took the lead levels of a large group of people
living by a busy road.They then reduced the lead levels in their petrol,
and after a considerable time lapse,took the readings again.No difference.
Conclusion seems to be that lead in petrol has no effect on lead levels
in people.Indeed,apparently the community with the highest recorded lead
levels in the world is some sort of godforsaken primitive tribe that
lives miles away from a road of any sort.I can understand the coorrelation
between high lead when water supplies are via lead pipes and the like,
but petrol? Naah. Now unleaded.That really *is* a killer,and you dont
even have to burn it.Just breathe deeply at the pump....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:52:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Exchange Rates

Good for the old imports  - hmm, are there any books I want from Amazon?
:-)
Soon we'll be importing Landy bits from the States and Australia....

No doubt the eco-anal(ysist)-gnome types on the TV won't like it.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com on 03/18/98 11:42:57 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Exchange Rates

The US Dollar at present converts at $1.74/pound.....
               aj"Just bought some"r

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:56:35 +0000
Subject: Re: headers?

And along a similar theme, "Which Manifold?"

I have a perennial problem with the studs between the manifold and the
exhaust downpipe.
Basically, the threads' buggered. Whatever solution I find, tends to last
12 months to the next MoT.  Last time the garage had the manifolds off, to
fiddle around with helicoils and the like.   This didn't really work in the
end (but got me through the MoT).

Obviously a lot cheaper if I change the manifolds myself.  I occasionally
hear reports of some Genuine ones cracking.   Also, what's up with these
performance beasties?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

nosimport@mailbag.com on 03/18/98 06:13:55 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  headers?

     Friend is having h*ll of a time NOT breaking his exhaust manifold(s).
Any
suggestion on
a) Better than genuine LR manifold.. stockish
b) Use of a header with stock intake and carb?
He's cracking the manifolds at the rearmost exhaust pipe stud. Rest of
exhaust is stock.
Oh, it's a 67 88 2.25 gasser.
TIA    Peter
Peter
'60 109SW
'64 88
'70 88 (in pieces)
'73 88 (driver)

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