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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: LRNA please note:I want a TDI
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:15:17 +1000

Trevor_Easton wrote:

Is the diesel Jeep Cherokee sold in the USA.  It is sold here in Australia
with the 2.5litre turbo charged VM diesel which used to be used in the Range
Rover.
Interestingly, the local mags (including Overlander) have given the motor a
good write up for the Jeep yet they said it wouldn't pull the skin off a
rice pudding when Rover used it.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: This "Unusual" Fuel Pump
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:07:42 +1000

Wade wrote:
>Can someone identify it? It seems to work quite nicely & would be
>easier to clean the screen & sediment away. Help!

Wade, it sounds like a bog-standard AC fuel pump as used on most British
cars except Austin/Morris/Jaguar which used SU electric pumps.  it is the
same as the one on my current Hillman.

Some of them (as does mine) have a priming lever underneath.

Are these so unusual in the USA (I know Wade isn't in the USA at the moment)
that it has generated so much correspondence?

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: SIII bulkhead
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:01:25 +1000

Ron Franklin wrote:
>looking for a 109 SW rear fuel tank, hopefully set up for negative earth
diesel.

Neither the tank nor sender should be polarity conscious - unless the fuel
pump is in the tank and is a permanent magenet motor so it rotate the wrong
way with wrong polarity.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia (02) 4735-6883
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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Subject: Re: Land Rover Series IIA crankshaft?
From: Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Date: 16 Mar 1998 13:32:16 +0100

Ari Myllyla <Ari.Myllyla@stone.fi> writes:

> The questions is that what is the
> difference 3 -bearings crankshaft between diesel and petrol engines?

The diesel crankshaft is stronger, but dimensionally identical.
So, using a diesel crank in a petrol engine works fine, the service
manual warns against the opposite: using a petrol crank in a diesel
engine.

> I believe that diesel engine crankshaft are much
> stronger and better made than petrol?

They are stronger, yes. If this will have any impact on the lifespan on the
engine, I don't know.

-- 
---Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun, 1979 109" SW, 21/4 Petrol - "Lillebil"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:31:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Rice pudding:

Thanks for a great image, Ron.....just what I needed over breakfast...8*)

                    aj"I HATE rice pudding....."r

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:53:04 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: LRNA please note:I want a TDI

I have a feeling with gas prices now under one dollar a gallon for regular,
even here in Maine, that LRNA will not be inspired to import the Tdi,
unfortunately. I asked a LR dealer freind of mine who just spent 2 weeks at
LRNA in MD if they had any secret plans for the Freelander or a Tdi
anything, and he said no. (not to his knowledge anyway.)

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:17:06 -0500
From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil>
Subject: Kid's Electric Land Rover?

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:13:20 -0500
From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil>
Subject: Kid's Electric Land Rover?

Does anyone know if there exists a battery powered "kiddie" Land Rover,
in the U.K. or elsewhere, like the battery powered Jeeps available in
the US? I want to get one for the Grand kids to drive around my woods, etc.
and don't a pink "Barbie" Jeep or the like. If I were rich or extremely
talented, I could fabricate a IIA body to install on one of the Jeep
types but alas, I am neither.

Tom Coron
King George, Va
'66' IIA SWB RHD

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:20:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Kid's Electric Land Rover?

Tom,

I've seen them available as kits/plans, but never as a full-blown
off-the-shelf model.

You could do up the front of one of the Jeep types with some styrene sheet
to resemble a Rover, though...

Spray it out in Bronze Green and no one would know the difference.....8*)

                    aj"Thought about it....."r

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:31:55 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Looking for a series IIA

Hi,
 I am looking for a Series IIA for a project I would like a repairable
frame & fair but complete body.  The engine & trans can be optional.
If you have one you want to part with please email me at offline.

Thanks,
 Rob Davis_Chicago
car4doc@concentric.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: sighting--- series IIA

Was anyone on the list going wetsbound on I-88 in NYS(near Oneonta headed
towards Albany) sunday, I saw a NICE
sIIa in darkgreen beautiful looking paint job with a hardtop with no
sidewindows.  At first I thought it was a local but it was far too nice
looking for that...
Anyway Nice rig I hope mine looks as good some day,

Matt Nelson

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:17 -0500
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Reverse Lights switch

Hello;
I have a 1971 IIA SWB, there are reverse lights on the rear but, there
is no switch near the gear shift.
The wires from the reverse lights terminate in the engine compartment in
a little double barrel rubber covered connector, but no wires from there
to any where else.

Inspection is a few days away, Last year they didn't notice/check/care
about the reverse lights and I had a whole year to fix them but did I
NOOOOOOOOO!!

My smarter half suggested to remove the rear lights but I had painted
the body and masked around things like lights, capping, etc, so removing
them would leave little orange squares on a backround of Red. No one
would be dumb enough to ignore that.

The bracket the gear shifter lives on has no holes nor does the reverse
gate have any thing which may have ever held a switch.

In my madness I found this switch on top of the Brake tower which would
work, but then I realized what that was for.

Has anyone added reverse lights to an older model?

I plan on buying a brake light switch and drilling and tapping a hole on
the rear of the gear shift bracket and putting the switch ether.

Will this work, Is there a better way?

Keith R. MOhlenhoff

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:20:42 EST
Subject: Re:  Reverse Lights switch

In a message dated 3/16/98 9:16:49 AM, you wrote:

>Inspection is a few days away, Last year they didn't notice/check/care
>about the reverse lights and I had a whole year to fix them but did I
>NOOOOOOOOO!!

My smarter half suggested to remove the rear lights but I had painted
the body and masked around things like lights, capping, etc, so removing
>them would leave little orange squares on a backround of Red. No one
>would be dumb enough to ignore that.

Take the lights off, paste/double sided tape some reflectors there, and it
looks legit.

pat
93  110

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:18:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Reverse Lights switch

The method you describe (drilling and tapping the bracket) is the exact way
that Rover did it on the later IIa/III. Seems to me that this is the
easiest one - simply drill behind the reverse gear selector and tap the
hole, then screw in the switch with the car in reverse. When the switch
makes contact, lock it in place with the locking nut supplied with the
switch.

>From there, a wire from switched +12 to the switch, and another from switch
to Lucar connector and Bob's your uncle.

If you don't want to go to all th3e hassle, then an auxiliary bracket with
a microswitch would work just as well. Seems to me the drill and mount
method is the easiest, though.

Worst-case, simply run a wire to the dash with a toggle switch labeled
"REVERSE LIGHTS" . This will get you through inspection, and you can use
the wire for a work light too, if you want!

          ajr/Mr."I don' got no steenking reverse lights" Churchill

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From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:51:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Reverse Lights switch

> The bracket the gear shifter lives on has no holes nor does the reverse
> gate have any thing which may have ever held a switch.
> I plan on buying a brake light switch and drilling and tapping a hole on
> the rear of the gear shift bracket and putting the switch ether.
> Will this work, Is there a better way?

I have just been through this very process on my SIII LtWt. There is 
supposed to be a hole in the rear of the gear lever support bracket 
into which you fit a brake light swtich. On my vehicle the hole was 
already there and is located so that the adjusting screw which is on 
the reverseing gate just pushes onto the button of the switch when 
reverse is selected. Positioning of this hole does look like it 
has to be very precise and in fact I was amased that it was in 
exactly the right place so that the button of the switch was hit dead 
centre by the reverseing gate adjustment screw.

If you haven't already got the hole drilled then I would think it 
just about impossible to drill this hole yourself and get it correct! 
I suppose you could replace the gear lever support bracket with one 
taken from a SIII vehicle which already had a reversing switch (don't 
know if this would work or whether the parts are interchangeable but 
it's worth a try).

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
-------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:22:59 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Winch question

A friend and a former LR owner just called and offered me a winch.  If I
(or someone on the list) doesn't buy it, it's going in The Trading Post
-the local weekly items for sale mag.

It's a "Desert Dynamics" 9,000# complete with wire rope, two remotes,
solenoids, battery cables, etc.  Trouble is, I've never heard of a 'DD'
winch.  Has anyone?  Asking price is $350.  E-mail me if intetrested, as he
isn't on-line.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: Land Rover's "official" birthday.
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:10:00 -0500

Toronto Area Rover Club (and maybe Land Rover Canada, it's under
negotiation) are hosting a birthday party
 at
The Irish Rovers Pub, 2 Villiers Street, Toronto (off Cherry just south
of Lakeshore.)
on April 30th.at 8:00pm

See all you Southern Ontario LROs there. Door prizes, Regular and
Imported Brews, Food, Videos and Giant Land Rover Birthday Cake.

RSVP An idea of numbers attending would help our planning process.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:31:30 +0000
Subject: Re: FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around

Hmm, I seem to have missed it or deleted it accidentally!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Lodelane@aol.com on 03/13/98 08:59:14 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around

Ok folks.  The wait is over.  The Series III FFR wiring schematics and keys
have been scanned into .gif format and forwarded to the individuals who
indicated they would try to add them to their web sites.
Am still trying to get the Rover 8 & 9 manual (Series II/IIA) to scan.
Will
post the Webmasters and the list when its ready (if it will scan).
Trying to work a deal where the whole Air Pub 5049B (Series III FFR) will
be
scanned and available at a later date.  If the deal goes thru, will also
let
you know.
For right now, however, lets let the Webmasters do their magic.  If we get
notified in the next week or so that they cannot get them to load/whatever,
then I will entertain individual requests to forward the files.
Thanks,
Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 10:40:03 EST
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams

>The Prince of Darkness snuck up behind me Sunday.

>Baby is getting her new wiring harness. Unfortunately, the wiring diagram 
>for negative earth IIA in the Brooklands manual (OWM 895) is lacking a few 
>important bits, like the turn signals, the emergency flasher, the heater, 
>etc. Moreover, the reproduction is less than first class. It's the only 
>diagram in the book that has unreadable codes.

1. Buy the factory manual.
2. there are plugs for most of this stuff. The maimn harness is seperate from 
the rear harness and the engine harness by a big fat plug. Same for the 4-way 
flasher switch wiring, at least on a SIII. Depending on where you got the 
harness from, it may not have all the pugs you need since some of this stuff 
was optional on the IIa. Don't know if a replacement harness goes all the way 
to the headlights and turn lamps or not. Look carefully at how your old one is 
wired up, and match each wire one by one. The one thing you WON'T get from the 
book is the proper routing of the harnesss. make sure its well fixed down so 
that it doesn't vibrate and wear through the insulation.
 
see ya
DaveB

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:46:46 +0000
Subject: Series 3 FFR Circuit Diagrams!

I bet everyone's getting tired of this and similar Subject: headers!

Larry Smith has scanned the special diagrams in, and they are now
referenced from my WWW page:

http://www.cix.co.uk/~rigel/alice.htm

The page is getting a little large now, so I'll probably split it into some
smaller pages tomorrow.

If anyone wants to reference this page - go ahead!    :-)
Also, I'll probably extend the Links to include people/enthusiasts, so if
anyone wants a link in my new links page, email me
(marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk  - not to the list!!)

Of the above circuit diagrams, they're a bit big. PaintShopPro handles them
okay,  but Netscape doesn't.   Anyone have any ideas?    Figure 132
(~rigel/lfig132.gif) is a good example.
It isn't a bad link, because I've just tried reading it from disk.
I've also tried saving it in PSP as 1989 Interleaved.

Netscape will handle most of the others.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: A chat about seats
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:27:57 -0800

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:23:30 +0200
From: Chris Swart <swartc@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: A chat about seats

Hi
Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com> wrote on 5-Mar-1998:
> especially if you are worried about safety in an accident.

My D90 TDi CSW had a rear bulkhead and when I suggested removing it the
List's response was a big *no-no*
My 1998 D110 TDi CSW does *not* have a rear bulkhead!
Should I be worried and what should I do?

I believe Defender 110s are built without the rear bulkhead, or at least
the 5-door models are.  I don't know why this is so.  Perhaps their
longer bodies provide sufficient torsional strength or perhaps there are
structural differences that make up for the lack of a bulkhead.  But if
Land Rover builds it that way, I wouldn't worry about it.  It's taking
something out that Land Rover put in that's the concern, not putting
something in that Land Rover deemed wasn't necessary for whatever
reason.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:31:37 -0500
Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:

I may be wrong on this, but don't 5-door 109s and 110s have a bar across
the top of where the bulkhead goes for stiffness? Seems to me that these
are normally constructed to be run with the roof attached all the time, as
such they're getting a lot fo their structural integrity from the sidewalls
and the roof panel.

I know Dormobiles don't even have the bar and they seem to do well enough..

               aj"But I prefer my pickup!"r

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:56:18 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Mostly metro

Is the "mostly metro" group/list still alive?  It's been mighty quiet for a
while....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:51:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Mostly metro

?????? What is the "Mostly Metro" Group???????? (forgive my ignorance)

Cheers,
Christopher Dillard           91 RR County
Databse Administrator         Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:12:16 EST
Subject: Is it safe to weld?

I seem to have broken a spring mount from the rear axle casing of my hybrid. A
combination of an old axle and over inthusiastic off road driving. My question
is how dangerous is it to weld onto the axle casing whilst it contains some
hypoid gear oil. The oil of course will be in the bottom of the axle and I
will be welding on the top, how flammable is EP90? are there flammable fumes
present?. Or do you think I should completely remove and strip the axle?.

Mike Rogers
How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink?

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:08:44 +0000
From: jon collins <jonathan.collins@virgin.net>
Subject: MEK

Sorry for the lack of LR contents but I missed the original message.

We use MEK at work as a thiners for photographic resist. Unfortunately
the mob that I work for is a bit lapse with health and safety. Have you
any details of the problems with MEK? The only slight link to LR's that
I can think of is that we also use Xylene (also nasty stuff), and it
makes good paint brush cleaner, works with hamerite.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:21:58 -0600
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld?

Let's see. Are you in the middle of Africa and if you don't fix it you'll
likely die? I'd say weld it.
Are you at home in your driveway? Do you plan to keep you Rover a long
time? I'd strip it to weld. Also preheat and postheat since the axle casing
is cast.

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:01:26 -0800

I have seen guys weld axle tubes and a variety of other parts containing
gear oil when I worked for Forestry - they removed only enough gear oil so
they could get a clean weld - or parked the skidder/grader/truck on an angle
No problem that I am aware of regarding gear oil
David

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: Re: Reverse Lights switch
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:02:00 +1100

Steve Mace wrote:
I have just been through this very process on my SIII LtWt. There is
supposed to be a hole in the rear of the gear lever support bracket
into which you fit a brake light swtich. On my vehicle the hole was
already there and is located so that the adjusting screw which is on
the reverseing gate just pushes onto the button of the switch when
reverse is selected. Positioning of this hole does look like it
has to be very precise and in fact I was amased that it was in
exactly the right place so that the button of the switch was hit dead
centre by the reverseing gate adjustment screw.

If you haven't already got the hole drilled then I would think it
just about impossible to drill this hole yourself and get it correct!
I suppose you could replace the gear lever support bracket with one
taken from a SIII vehicle which already had a reversing switch (don't
know if this would work or whether the parts are interchangeable but
it's worth a try).

 -------------------------------------
I hate to be the one to throw rocks into the pond and make waves, but I
would have to disagree with Steve on this. My S3 had just a 'plain'
bracket. I just marked it up in position, removed it and drilled a
clearence hole for a suitable waterproof switch. I then refitted the
bracket, pushed the switch through the hole, tightend up the lock nut
and wired it in. No problems with alignment and 3 years later it still
works fine. Then maybe I was just lucky (or uncharacteristicly accurate)
with getting the hole 'just right'. Certainly care needs to be taken
with the marking up, the old adage, measure twice, drill once applies
here I would suggest. A guy I know with a Series 1 performed the same
trick about 10 years ago with no problems either. Thought :- an oversize
clearance hole and a couple of large thin 'washers' could over come some
missalignment problems if all else fails. Also, it could well be worth
trying to mark and drill, as you save finding and buying a replacment
bracket. Worse case is you are back to square one and still have to find
a replacment bracket.
Happy drilling!
Richard
1973 S3 SWB
New Zealand.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:13:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld?

>I have seen guys weld axle tubes and a variety of other parts containing
>gear oil when I worked for Forestry - they removed only enough gear oil so
>they could get a clean weld - or parked the skidder/grader/truck on an
angle
>No problem that I am aware of regarding gear oil

Gear oil is flammable. My Travelall axle housing caught on fire when a rear
axle fell out on the road. As for clean welds, I used to repair heavy
equipment, and did my share of welding in less that ideal situations. But
if the housing is cracked in such a way that oil is in the weld zone, you
*can't* get a "clean" weld without steam cleaning the part first, I don't
care what anyone says. It's all a matter of priorities, and time available
to you.
If you want to do it in place, remove the axle vent to make sure you don't
get a pressure build up. Disconnect the battery *and alternator* and attach
the ground clamp to the axle casing. It's really easy to bugger things on a
car with an arc if the current takes a path you aren't expecting.
Use a nickle rod.

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:18:08 -0500 (EST)
From: nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Nick Fankhauser)
Subject: 90 amp FFR diagram now posted

Larry Smith just sent a scan of the FFR wiring diagram with a 90 amp
alternator to several of us. I have posted this scan in the rover section of
my web pages, which can be found at: http://infocom.com/~nickf/rover/ It
appears to have been scanned at fairly low resolution, so you kinda have to
squint at parts of it, but the essentials are readable. Larry also sent a 40
amp schematic, but I haven't posted it yet. There's plenty of space for more
scans, or a higher resolution version of this one, so send anything of the
technical/diagram nature that might be useful to list members, and I'll post
them as well. I noticed that several other folks have volunteered to post
this info as well. If anyone is inclined to organize it all, I'll be happy
to pass it along, or alternately, I can leave it in place, and an organizer
can link to it from their site. In the mean time, I'll keep tossing things
into the format I have set up right now.

-NickF

___________________________________________________________________
Nick Fankhauser      | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:25:10 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Petrol/ Diesel

Ari,
 the petrol and diesel cylinder blocks are identical on series 2A, series 2
is different,
 The diesel crankshaft is interchangable with a petrol crankshaft, but it is
not recommended to use a petrol crank in a diesel.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:34:48 -0400
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: Repair shops in central NY?

I think the recent discussion on safety jinxed me!!!

I was driving home last weekend when some woman in a cavalier stopped at a
red light, waited until I was 10 feet away, and then proceeded to go
through. I barely had time to hit the brakes, and I was probably going
about 25 when I hit full in her driver door. My girlfriend and I survived
with nothing worse than bruised and cut legs, and the woman was
unhurt(surprisingly). She insisted that her light had been green, but I and
three other witnesses said otherwise and the cop wrote her a ticket.

Unfortunately, the impact buckled the frame around the front spring hanger,
moved the front axle back 6" on one side, and somehow broke the rear diff,
along with a lot of other cosmetic damage. The cavalier was badly hurt, but
I was outraged when I discovered that it was still driveable and the LR was
not! Oh, well.

Anyway, she was driving a rental, and the avis people insist on 2 damage
estimates, notarized and all that. I have always worked on my rover myself,
and have no experience with garages around here. Does anyone know of any in
or near Ithaca, NY that could handle this?

Also, if anyone has any experience with making insurance claims in NY, I'd
be grateful for any advice. Since it is a 66, I doubt the book value is
very high, and I will probably have to have it appraised or somehow prove
that it is worth more than $200.

Thanks,

Braman
1966 IIa 88"(well, now its about 85")

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:57:55 -0500
From: masmith <masmith@barint.on.ca>
Subject: FOR SALE {many parts}

Hi everyone well i guess its time to sell everything {sadily}.
   Here is a list of things i have for sale.
   
   1. landrover 109 frame complete over haul new rear cross
member,reinforced on bottom sides redone.new outriggers two inch lift.
frame in very good shape 
   asking $1500.00

   2.chevy 6 cylinder conversion comlpete less clutch:
    includes:230 cubic inc engine rebuilt new never started,comes with
carb,starter,engine mounts everything to bolt in to a rover.
asking $1500.00

  3.defender conversion kit includes hood and grill,fits series 3
in good shape needs little work.
  asking  $500.00

  4. 6 cylinder bulkhead completely redone:new door posts,new dropin floors
ready to go,bulk head is complete with new wiring harness ,mostparts have
been redone.

  

  please contact tony smith at masmith@barint.on.ca  or call me for more
info at 705-424-1953 if im not home leave a msg.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Series 1 for sale, Victoria, BC
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:44:41 -0800

I found this add in today's paper:

'1951 Land Rover Series 1 4WD, Removable hard top, winch, good engine,
new tires, lots of spares.  $2200.00 OBO.'

Located in Victoria, BC  Canada.

E-mail me if you want phone numbers...

Paul Quin
Paul_Quin@pml.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:35:00 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Good Bye Hoosla  (LR content)

Those of us who enjoyed reading of the exploits of Jeff Meyer in
LandRover World will be saddened to hear of the unexpected death of his
faithful companion Hoosla. Rarely do a man and his dog mesh so
completely as Jeff and Hoos. Jeff you have my sympathy.
      John and Muddy

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Re:5-door bulkheads:
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:13:16 -0500

That is right, 109s and defenders do not have a bulkhead. Just a bar
across.

----------
> From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 2:31 PM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> the top of where the bulkhead goes for stiffness? Seems to me that these
> are normally constructed to be run with the roof attached all the time,
as
> such they're getting a lot fo their structural integrity from the
sidewalls
> and the roof panel.
> I know Dormobiles don't even have the bar and they seem to do well
> Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:
enough..
>                aj"But I prefer my pickup!"r
> I know Dormobiles don't even have the bar and they seem to do well
> Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 2:31 PM

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:25:16 EST
Subject: Re:5-door bulkheads:

In a message dated 3/16/98 8:17:24 PM, you wrote:

>That is right, 109s and defenders do not have a bulkhead. Just a bar
>across.

Across where? Mine doesn't have a bulkhead nor a bar (like nas 90 SWs)...

pat
93  110

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:28:48 -0800

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld? - most of the time
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:32:08 -0800

Travelall happened because of plenty of air, much different than a crack in
the topside of an axle tube.  I agree with all else and the procedures -
anyone welding would do the same.
David

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:46:53 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LRNA please note:I want a TDI

Ron Beckett wrote:

> Is the diesel Jeep Cherokee sold in the USA.  It is sold here in
> Australia
> with the 2.5litre turbo charged VM diesel which used to be used in the
> Range
> Rover.

The Jeep Cherokee with diesel is built in Graz, Austria by either Steyr,
or a joint venture of Steyr and Chrysler. It isn't sold in the US.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:12:29 -0500
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: LR Sighting... very rare for this area (US)

  While driving along rt128/I95 in Massachusettes just outside of Boston I
happened across a truly rare sight, for these parts at least. There sitting
atop a large auto-transport were a couple of ex-MOD 2-door 109"s, an ex-MOD
88", and an, ex-MOD Lightweight. Hoods, and full camo... At least one still
had UK plates (K reg) They were riding North.
  Where could they possibly be going? I figure either ME or Canada (maybe
VT). Anyone have the skinny? I had to turn off onto rt3 in Burlington, so
was unable to follow for very long...

Jeff G.

Boston, MA
1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover - needing frame
1990 Range Rover County - hybrid fodder (ask about parts, especially body)
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD - the anomaly, albeit a competently quick 4x4
1991 Range Rover Hunter - basically OME-ified

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:26:22 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld? - most of the time

Hi,
 Wouldn't the crack on top of the axle tube on the outside have a
matching crack inside on the bottom????

Regards,
 Rob Davis_Chicago

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: A chat about seats
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:29:40 -0500

Bulkheads are used on all pick/up type body so that a quarter cab can be
used.  As long as there is a bar of any description across behind the front
seat there is no need to have a bulkhead in a 109 Stationwagon or 110
Defender.  I have removed the bulkhead from an 88" with no problems.
This gave me extra room bucket seats in the front which I needed.   " ROO"
                                                                           
                     
----------
> From: Faure, Marin <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: A chat about seats
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 2:27 PM
> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:23:30 +0200
> From: Chris Swart <swartc@iafrica.com>
> Subject: Re: A chat about seats
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 36 lines)]
>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:12:24 -0500
From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Subject: Re: Is it safe to weld?

I had an uncle who worked on everything from model T's, to the 1980 junkers's
until he died. He used to weld oil pans on the car, without draining
the oil. Boy was he ever pissed when one blew... Cost him 15 buck for a new
pan.  

I'd say weld it, but I think it runs in the family....

Russ

At 03:12 PM 3/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>I seem to have broken a spring mount from the rear axle casing of my

hybrid. A
>combination of an old axle and over inthusiastic off road driving. My
question
>is how dangerous is it to weld onto the axle casing whilst it contains some
>hypoid gear oil. The oil of course will be in the bottom of the axle and I
>will be welding on the top, how flammable is EP90? are there flammable fumes
>present?. Or do you think I should completely remove and strip the axle?.
>Mike Rogers
>How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink?

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:10:08 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: maps on the web...

Hi Folks,

http://www.multimap.com/

This site has scanned maps of the UK, cross ref by phone # and post code
plus other stuff!

This site is a great help in placing rover vendors that only give a phone #.

john

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:31:10 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Deep snow trick

For what it is worth here is a method of driving in deep snow used by
the fishermen on Lake Winnipeg that I saw a woman using with an 88 Land
Rover some years ago.  I ended up buying the 88 which had the little
truck cab on it.  She had two agricultural disker discs mounted on the
front bumper in line with the wheels and low enough to they were in line
with snow that would hit the front wheels.  They were mounted on an
angle so that when she hit the snow it was thrown away from the wheels.
This little unit would go out to her nets on the ice even in deep snow.
The only other vehicles that ever go out there are things called
Bombedeers which are tracked vehicles with skis on the front and
Chrysler Hemi engines.  Her little machine didn't do such a bad job even
against them but of course they could cross ice ridges no Land Rover
could ever cross.
Someone asked about the diesel crank in a petrol Land Rover.  I have
that in mine and it works just fine.  You may have read my note the
other day that I put the diesel bullnose pulley on originally but went
back to the lighter gas one.  I don't know if it made a great deal of
difference but I think the heavy one didn't seem to perform as well even
though I guess I would have had more inertia once turning.
For those looking for a heater in the rear, I still say use the Chev
Vandura van heater as an aux. heater.  It is cheap, small, comes with a
neat three speed switch that can be removed with the harness very easily
and it keeps my Land Rover toasty in as low as -40 C.  My heater is in
parallel and the hoses go under the firewall and up to the driver side
wheel arch.  The heater sits on the wheel box right behind me.
I found a neat problem with my new distributor which came with the
points installed.  The  wire going to the little strip from the
condenser to the wire that passes through the body of the distributor
was not attached properly at the factory.  I kept burning the points as
I posted last week and changed the coil.  On inspection I have found
that after market points are not attached as well as Lucus which uses a
second little strip of metal over the bare wire part as well as over the
insulation.  The after market guys only spot weld the wire and in my
case it was just holding with one strand.  One neg. point however for
the Lucas is that with the second little hold down, you have to make
sure it doesn't touch the body of the point unit or it shorts to ground
and no spark.  I burnt the new points in a week with the new coil before
I found the condenser problem.. Checking with the meter didn't show it
up because the condenser tested good but it wasn't attached to the
points properly.  If I keep learning all these little tricks I will
eventually be a mechanic--probably not much use when I am 90!
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:30:30 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Good Bye Hoosla  (LR content)

john cranfield wrote:

> Those of us who enjoyed reading of the exploits of Jeff Meyer in
> LandRover World will be saddened to hear of the unexpected death of his
> faithful companion Hoosla.

My condolences.

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:39:17 -0500
From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye Hoosla  (LR content)

Jeff,

If you're on the list, please accept my sincerest sympathy. As an animal
lover myself, it was obvious to me that you shared a deep bound with
Hoosla. I'll miss seeing you together at future LR events.

Brian

At 07:35 PM 3/16/98 , you wrote:
>Those of us who enjoyed reading of the exploits of Jeff Meyer in
>LandRover World will be saddened to hear of the unexpected death of his
>faithful companion Hoosla. Rarely do a man and his dog mesh so
>completely as Jeff and Hoos. Jeff you have my sympathy.
>      John and Muddy

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:47:38 -0800 (PST)
From: ofiara@albany.net
Subject: tires

Greetings:
     I have been away from the list for awhile, and will be back on for a
week.  Three tragedies occured to me this year.  My son left for college, he
took the computer with him, and I sent my land rover away to be restored.
This week my son is home for spring break, he brought the computer back with
him, and my land rover restoration is almost complete. Glad to be back.
All's almost right with the world. Well, at least my world is OK.
     Now that my restoration is almost complete, I'm getting down to the
subject of tires.  10 years ago, I bought 5 steel belted 7.50 X 16 8 ply
Michelin XC-4 truck tires for my 1972 Series 3 88. The tires are incredible.
I have one that I used on the hood as a spare, and it is in brand new
condition.  The 4 others have about a year left.  They're the ones on the
road.  They wore evenly and were virtually indestructable.
     Can anyone suggest a source where I might be able to find out about any
remaining XC-4's? If I could get three, it would be great.
     If that's not possible, how can I find out about any other equally high
quality tires like those XC-4's that are on the market today.  
     Any help would be really appreciated.

                                                   Thanks,
                                                   Dave
      

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:19:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: 40 Amp FFR wiring diagram posted

The second scan that Larry Smith supplied- FFR diagram with a 40 amp
alternator, is now posted. The URL is http://www.infocom.com/~nickf/rover/

-NickF

Nick Fankhauser           |Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us      |     http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

Context info for mailing list posts:
Indiana USA-61 Series IIa-72 LAPD 850-83 245 K-Jet

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:12:01 +0100
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: tires

I to have XC 4's on my Rover. 700R 15's. No spare however. I was told they were
no longer available. I saw a newer Japanese 4 x 4 with them on it. It had B.C.,
Canada License Plates. Perhaps XC 4's are available in Canada still.  Anyone up
there aware of them up there.

Tom Spoto

ofiara@albany.net wrote:

> Greetings:
>      I have been away from the list for awhile, and will be back on for a
> week.  Three tragedies occured to me this year.  My son left for college, he
> took the computer with him, and I sent my land rover away to be restored.
> This week my son is home for spring break, he brought the computer back with
> him, and my land rover restoration is almost complete. Glad to be back.
> All's almost right with the world. Well, at least my world is OK.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
>                                                    Dave
>  

 

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:24:08 MST
From: Ralph N Bradt <rnbradt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: surprise in the middle

David Russell wrote,

>I was working on the frameover for the 88" today and found quite the
surprise. The seatbox had been taken off several weeks ago but after
removing the bulkhead (Sawzall 1, rust 0) I was poking around contemplating
my next step. For whatever reason, I was looking under the body tub and saw
something poking out of one of the longitudinal reinforcing ribs under the
tub. To my incredible surprise, the original "window sticker" (if there was
such a thing in 1969) had been rolled up and stuck in one of these ribs.

I acquired the original window sticker when I bought my '70 IIa 88 last year.
Originally sold in Boise, Idaho, the MSRP was $3625.00. With dealer prep
and the optional equipment (flyscreens-$5.75, sun visor-$4.30, and hand
control-$7.15) the total was a whopping $3845.50. Indeed, an interesting bit
of history and a reflection of changing times. What is it a new Defender goes
for?

Ralph

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:29:26 +0000
Subject: Re: Good Bye Hoosla (LR content)

and there was a nice little Christmas card in the latest LRW...

R.

john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca on 03/17/98 12:35:00 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Good Bye Hoosla  (LR content)

Those of us who enjoyed reading of the exploits of Jeff Meyer in
LandRover World will be saddened to hear of the unexpected death of his
faithful companion Hoosla. Rarely do a man and his dog mesh so
completely as Jeff and Hoos. Jeff you have my sympathy.
      John and Muddy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:47:55 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Good Bye Husla  (LR content)

Jeff,
My sympathies.Lovely dog.
Mike
Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:54:00 +0000
Subject: Re: 40 Amp FFR wiring diagram posted

I've just copied your lower-res version, and this is fine.
Obviously, my problem was to do with resolution.

I'll check and update the rest of my GIFs today.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

nickf@co.wayne.in.us on 03/17/98 04:19:40 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  40 Amp FFR wiring diagram posted

The second scan that Larry Smith supplied- FFR diagram with a 40 amp
alternator, is now posted. The URL is http://www.infocom.com/~nickf/rover/
-NickF

Nick Fankhauser           |Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us      |     http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
http://www.infocom.com/~nickf
Context info for mailing list posts:
Indiana USA-61 Series IIa-72 LAPD 850-83 245 K-Jet

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:25:05 EST
Subject: Re: 5-door bulkheads:

Pat,

He means, the rear bulkhead (behind the front seats). 109 5-doors have
instead, a "Hail Mary" bar, for the back seat passengers to grab onto, while
the D-110's don't have either one.

Charles

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From: Jarvis 64 <Jarvis64@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:31:39 EST
Subject: seats

Anyone found any good, easy to find (read junkyard), comfy, high-back seats in
the U.S. to stick in an early IIA?

Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109--Mrs. Merdle
jarvis64@aol.com

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