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1 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o27Re: frame up restoration/coil conversion
2 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o20Re: Quit fueling around...
3 JKwas61947 [JKwas61947@a12Free LR parts: For Mike L.
4 Marijn van der Himst [ma30FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around
5 g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)18Re: Father - Son, Father Daughter Land Rover Restorations
6 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi37Re: frame up restoration/coil conversion
7 Dan Neale [cb016@cyberwa5unsubscribe
8 "R. Wade Hughes" [hughes28 Quit fueling around/Aussie fuel pump
9 "David and Cynthia Walke16Re: Landrover steering - steering knob
10 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu23Re: FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around
11 caloccia@senie.com 28wanted: set of alloy rims for RR (would consider Disco or Defender)
12 "MARY THOMSON" [denthoms37Re: IIa overheating
13 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us32Real wildlife adventures....
14 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa18R.O.A.V. Question..
15 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l57Call for presentations for Greek Peak in August
16 "Chris Dillard"[cdillard17Re: Call for presentations for Greek Peak in August
17 Dan & Sally Cantwell [dc25Re: Brake pipe routing-air in brake system
18 Matt Abercrombie [maa08120RE: Rivets?
19 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml24RE: Brake pipe routing-air in brake system
20 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns14Re: Real wildlife adventures....
21 David Scheidt [david@inf25oxygenated gasoline
22 "Alan Logue" [logue@a01116AB and SG
23 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml27Odd electrical connectors on my new wiring harness.
24 "William L. Leacock" [wl11Bearing Part numbers
25 "William L. Leacock" [wl15Steering
26 john cranfield [john.cra21Re: Land Cruiser
27 "K. John Wood" [jwrover@56LR owner needs Heat? Any for Sale Out there!
28 Russ Burns [burns@ismi.n15Re: oxygenated gasoline
29 Cas Stimson [cstimson@gt10Re: wanted: set of alloy rims for RR (would consider Disco or Defender)
30 "The Stockdales" [mstock11Bowls up
31 Russ Burns [burns@ismi.n26Re: Bowls up
32 David Scheidt [david@inf9winches
33 David Scheidt [david@inf14Re: oxygenated gasoline
34 Manny Garcia [mann@skyin14[not specified]


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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 10:40:04 EST
Subject: Re: frame up restoration/coil conversion

>coil suspension at this stage. What do I stand to gain/lose? Is the 
>conversion straightforward or a real hassle? 

pro:
you can drive it again.
it will ride really nice
it will have a wider track
you will be able to fit better/different wheels
you can upgrade other drivetrain parts i.e. tranny...think full time 4wd...
you will have disk brakes

con:
it will cost you the price of a decent 90 if you were in the uk
it might be hard to sell
it might handle funny
your wife will bitch at you until you get rid of those old crappy leaf sprung 
parts that you no longer need
it might be expensive to get a new frame to hawaii

good luck
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 11:03:16 EST
Subject: Re: Quit fueling around...

>>> the need to fit the bugger upside down.  Kinda defeats the purpose of a 
>>>sedement bowl, eh?  I'd get rid of your fuel pump (I bet it doesn't have 
>>>an external handle), fit an original and carry a rebuild kit.

I didn't see the original message here, but my Volvo 122 has a sediment bowl 
style pump, very similar to the rover, but the bowl points up. I think the pump 
action is the same, and the gas goes back down the center of the unit, leaving 
the sedimnet around the perimeter. Not really sure though. 
maybe I will take one apart and see how they work. I must have about 4 or 5 of 
them laying around, windered if they would fit the rover. I think maybe the 
upside-down set up makes it self priming.

later
DaveB

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From: JKwas61947 <JKwas61947@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:06:44 EST
Subject: Free LR parts: For Mike L.

Mike L.-  I wont be around this weekend.  E-mail me and we'll set up another
time for you to come down to get the parts.

Sorry about the post to the list, everybody.  

John K.

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:07:51 +0100
From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Subject: FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around

> Ron Beckett <hillman@bigpond.co wrote:
> I don't mind putting it up on my site
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/rover

==> Now we're getting somewhere! Richard Marsden, and now you!
    Down Under is no problem, just keep your e-mail upside down...
    
    Does this mean, Ron, You will run a database, -with all the usual
    disclaimers-, where (finally) anyone can put in/take out tech stuff
    concerning Land Rover - starting with Series LR's, I'm sure -
    Including pictures, wiring schemes, tech tips, etcetera?
    Think about this carefully, It could take up all your spare time,
    and you will end up handing over the car keys to your daughter....
    Someone out there give this guy a Triple-X ! The whole sixpack!

       ***    subject line in further messages  : database    ***
                                                  ========

--  Wade Hughes wrote:
--  Has anybody an explanation for mounting the pump upside down?
==>  IF it still has the original uk petrol in it, it might not have
     noticed the gravity direction change, being kept in the dark....

   Marijn.
   109FFR'Winston' still not ready, where's that yellow wire supposed to go?

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Father - Son, Father Daughter Land Rover Restorations
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:21:02 GMT

Sounds good to me. Do you think diesel and petrol fueled could be
compatible? Certainly leaf versus coil would never last.

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:45:55 -0600, you wrote:

>Maybe we fathers should talk about this.  I'm not suggesting arranged
>marriages
> but ....

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:23:11 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: frame up restoration/coil conversion

>>conversion straightforward or a real hassle?
>pro:
>you can drive it again.
>it will ride really nice
>it will have a wider track
>you will be able to fit better/different wheels
>you can upgrade other drivetrain parts i.e. tranny...think full time 4wd...
>you will have disk brakes
 Plus... 10 foot smaller turning radius on an 88
        easier steering
>con:
>it will cost you the price of a decent 90 if you were in the uk
>it might be hard to sell
>it might handle funny
>it will have a wider track
        They don't, actually they handle much better.
>it might be expensive to get a new frame to hawaii
        probably very true.

        If you really want to know the pros and cons of the conversion you
should contact Jeff Aronson, editor of the RN Newsletter. I am kind of bias
toward coils (obviously). He has logged what must be well over 150,000
miles in his SIIA 88 leaf sprung, and has spent quite a bit of time with
and around our coil 88s as well. He would probably have the best "driven
both" opinion that would not be bias one way or the other.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Dan Neale <cb016@cyberware.co.uk>
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:33:58 -0000

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:58:56 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@stybba.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject:  Quit fueling around/Aussie fuel pump

-------
Hmmm...maybe the prev owner wasn't so stupid after all?
Dave B writes:
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 11:03:16 EST

>>> the need to fit the bugger upside down.  Kinda defeats the purpose of a 
>>>sedement bowl, eh?  I'd get rid of your fuel pump (I bet it doesn't have 
>>>an external handle), fit an original and carry a rebuild kit.
I didn't see the original message here, but my Volvo 122 has a sediment bowl 
style pump, very similar to the rover, but the bowl points up. I think the pump 
action is the same, and the gas goes back down the center of the unit, leaving 
the sedimnet around the perimeter. Not really sure though. 
maybe I will take one apart and see how they work. I must have about 4 or 5 of 
them laying around, windered if they would fit the rover. I think maybe the 
upside-down set up makes it self priming.

later
DaveB

----------------------------------------
R. Wade Hughes

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Landrover steering - steering knob
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:07:51 -0800

I found that a steering knob helps, a lot.  I grew up using them on the farm
and have them on all my manual steering vehicles.
Oh, to stop all those safety comments before they come...metal dashes and
flat windshields are more of a hazard.

Cheers
David
Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:59:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: FFR wiring->DataBase/ stop fueling around

Marijn van der Himst wrote:

>     Someone out there give this guy a Triple-X ! The whole sixpack!

That's 4X surely!

Listen guys 'n gals, I've said it before an I'll say it once more,
you're all most welcome to mail me text docs (.txt) and images (whatever
format) for me to post on http://adventures.co.za/landy. I don't get
much time to develop/originate/thumbsuck stuff but I'll gladly host it
for y'all.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 11 Mar 1998 16:47:30 -0000
Subject: wanted: set of alloy rims for RR (would consider Disco or Defender) 

The time has come.  The chromed alloys on the Range Rover need to be replaced.
(Hey, I didn't chrome 'em, it started life as a Southern Ca. car...)

The corrosion was bad enough back in '96 that the beads wouldn't seat and
I went to tubes all around.  Now the corrosion on the inside of the rim
is flaking the chrome off and chafing the tubes. One failed Sunday night,
luckily not while we were laning on Sunday, and not while I was on the
highway home.

Anyone sitting on a pile of Alloy rims they are willing to part with ?
I'm in Massachusetts, but also often in upstate NY (capital dist.) so
pretty much most of Southern New England and  Eastern N.Y. is an easy 
drive...

	Ciao,
	  Bill Caloccia   wpc@Caloccia.Net      http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/

	Cohesive Network Systems	http://www.cohesive.com/
	New England Division
	(formerly known as LeftBank Operation)
	50 Grove Street			tel:	+1 617 492 0020 x330
	Somerville, MA 02144 USA	fax:	+1 617 625 8016

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: IIa overheating
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:58:20 -0500

I dodn't know if you have solved your overheating problem, there is a few
standard steps for checking the system. 1. Be shore the system is full.
                                2. Pressure test to check for leaks. (hoses
or head gasket)
                                3. I feel a 160 thermostat is to low. at
least 180.
-----                           4. I would not trust any gauge other than a
hand held unit stuck in the top                                     of the
rad. Run engine and bring to temp 180 or better. You should be             
                                                                           
               able to see the coolant moving if the waterpump is working .
                                 5. If you feel that every thing with the
engine is in order ( thermostat
                                     waterpump /  no leaks )  I would be
getting my radiator flow tested                                     
because if it has any restriction it will cause overheating. 

                                                                           
                          Peter. (roo)

waterpum                        
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: IIa overheating
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 7:34 PM
> I'm still in the midst of rebuilding my s2a, lsat week I replaced the
> non perational ether filled temp
> guage with a non functioning electronic sending unit(I didn't know it
> was junk) the engine ran fine
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> thanks for any suggestions
> Matt

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:20:14 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Real wildlife adventures....

Once again Land Rover comes through as a capable vehicle for transporting 
harmful wildlife out of the world of Man and back to the woods where it 
can run free and be happy.
Last night I trapped a vicious, snarling and just plain mad grey squirrel 
that had taken up residence in the attic insulation. After careful 
consideration and much discussion, I decided to use a Havaheart trap 
baited with irresistable Jif peanut butter. It wasn't long before the 
intruder had taken the bait and was hopelessly caged. The squirrel was 
rolling and banging about in the cage and had managed to almost 
completely coat itself with the peanut butter bait, not to mention that 
it was chuffing, whistling, and pooping turds at a most astounding rate, 
either due to stress or the Jif, not sure. Anyway, it was mad.
Lucky for us we had a vehicle at our disposal that was up to the task of 
carrying this wild beast back to its forest domain....Land Rover!
Into the rear of the 109 went the subdued pest, and off to the woods we 
went. My fearless companion Sarah took charge of the release operation, 
and chose carefully a site that looked to be auspicious for the deed. In 
two bounds the squirrel was out of the cage and up the nearest tree, back 
in Mother Nature's bosom. Marlin Perkins would have been proud.
With a parting wave we were back in the truck and headed off to new 
wildlife adventures with Land Rover!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: R.O.A.V. Question..

I have a question for my fellow rover owners in the R.O.A.V part of the
world. I am considering a possible move to the Hanover County / Ashland Va.
area for a teaching position.  Does anyone on the list ( R.O.A.V. types)
live in this neck of the woods??  Anyone with any info, good or bad please
E-mail me direct.

Thanks..

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:17:40 -0500
Subject: Call for presentations for Greek Peak in August

Want to be a legend in your own time?

Got something to say, and think you can say it well?

Then do I have a deal for you!

I've been tasked with pulling together technical presentations for the 50th
Anniversary Get-Together at Greek Peak in upstate New York, and I'm looking
for presenters and subjects. We want to create a forum for sharing tech and

I don't care what it is, as long as it meets 4 basic criteria.

1. It has to be relevant to the Rover communities - not necessarily both
leaf and coil simultaneously.
2. You be able to present this to a group of folks without endangering them
or yourself.
3. Presentation can take place without expensive goodies, though I'm trying
to scavenge up some AV gear
4. It be non-commercial.

As it stands I have about a dozen presenters, with some of the subjects of:

Welding for beginners (with an emphasis on Rover repairs) (Chris Weinbeck)
Equipping your Range Rover for off-road excellence (by Mark Talbot)
How to live with a Series Rover as a daily driver (by Jeff Aaronson)
Expedition planning with a 101(with George Bull)
Electrical Repair basics (by Al Richer)
New Rover learning curve - how to avoid it (by Al Richer)
Storage solutions and Audio Installations for Series Rovers (with Jeff "My
stereo cost more than my 88"Berg)
Winching and Hi-Lift basics (by Dale Desprey of OVLR)
Ordering from the UK - When is it a good idea?

and so on...

At present, most of the items I have folks talking on are on Series
vehicles, or Series-related. I really want more coil-sprung specific or
general items - though any and all ideas are more than welcome.

This is your chance to get your ideas and knowledge out to a larger
community and make yourself a name in the process. You know you all have
good ideas and experience that can benefit other owners - all the way from
the "What's the yellow knob do?" new owner to the grizzled veterans of
Rover ownership.

Email me at aricher@lotus.com if you're interested - I'll do anything I can
to help you prepare.

                         Alan Richer/Mr. C.

               Al Richer

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:28:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Call for presentations for Greek Peak in August

Sounds like GREAT Topics!! However, will there be a way for us, who will
not be able to make it , to be able to get a videa of some sort of these
presentations. I'm sure that I am not the only one who is willing to pay to
see (on video) some of these topics. Anyone else.

Cheers,
Christopher Dillard
Databse Administrator         Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:55 -0500
From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Subject: Re: Brake pipe routing-air in brake system

> Paul Quinn Wrote:
> I've just finished replacing all the pipes on my vehicle.  Now if I
> could just get all of the damn AIR out!  ;-)
> let me know.
> Paul Quin
> 1961 Series II 88

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> 1961 Series II 88
> Victoria, BC

  Hi Paul,
   I just read your posting to Bill and thought that I might add my 2 bits
worth(Canadian Equivalent to US .02 ) Have you tried a gravity bleed with
your brake system? It takes a little longer but I use the time to pull the
bleeder screws right out of the wheel cylinder and put on copious amounts of
anti-sieze goop, and you don't need a helper or any of those fancy brake
bleeding gimicky thingies.
      Hope this helps.
                Dan '61 SII HT

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:42:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Abercrombie <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: RE: Rivets?

Another, slightly less expensive solution to installing the rivets is to
make a dolly, and pound them by hand.  I only had to replace a dozen or so
rivets, so I didn't want to invest too much.  After I found the rivets, I
also found a ball bearing with about the same radius.  Take a chunk of
steel, heat it up(red hot), then place the ball bearing on the heated steel
and quickly give it a wack before it rolls away.  I spent most of the time
chasing the bearing, but once I made an initial dimple in the steel the
bearing stayed put.  Keep pounding the steel until the flat on the rivet is
flush with the surface of the steel.  This worked quite well for me, and
only cost a couple of dollars.  

As for a European source for the rivets, there is a company called TIBNOR.
I think it is a Swedish company, and I am pretty sure they have a store in
Gothenburg.  I recall having seen these rivets in that catalog.
  

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Brake pipe routing-air in brake system
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:38:17 -0800

Oh boy, another brake bleeding thread!

O.K. sounds intriguing...what's the procedure to gravity bleed?

So far I have replaced the master cylinder (CB type),  brake pipes,
wheel cylinders (with copious quantities of anti-seize on the nipples) &
shoes.  Adjuster cams seem ok as do the drums & flex hoses.

I have tried pressure bleeding using the 'old bicycle innertube
pressurizer trick' learned on this list.  Worked well for the clutch
system, but not much good on the brake side.

I still want to use the technique of clamping closed all of the wheel
cylinders that was in an issue of LRO a few months ago.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:18:59 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Real wildlife adventures....

Adams, Bill wrote:

> With a parting wave we were back in the truck and headed off to new
> wildlife adventures with Land Rover!.
And all the squirrels in the forest asked the city squirrel to show 'em 
where he got the Jiffy! :-)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:36:07 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: oxygenated gasoline

 I talked with an organic chemist the other day about oxygenated gasoline.  
He didn't to give me hard numbers, since he wasn't sure of them, but he did
tell me that classic forumla 96 RON (research octane, about 92 on the pump 
in the US) has a net calorifc content of about 45 MegaJoules/kg.  MTBE --the
major oxygenator -- has about 35 MJ/kg; ethanol 27 MJ/kg.   The oxygenated 
gasolines seem to have about 42-43 MJ/kg, which is about 5%.  If you are able
to return your engine to burn the oxygenated fuels optimally, you will require
more for the same power.  However, since they burn more efficently the curve
is not linear, and it is possible, but unlikely that some vechiles might do
better.   Reformulated gasolines do have lower emissions benzine and other
aromatic hydrocarbons, but substanially higher formaldehyde and acetaldehyde
emmisions.  Both of these are named toxins under the Clean Air Act.  The 
effects on "smog"  are not well known.  (There seems to be some varations 
depending on other conditions, but he didn't really know details.)  

Also, I am not sure if this came up here, or some where else, but white gas
(Coleman Fuel) has a research octane of about 72.  This is about 68 the way 
they mark the pumps in the US.

David

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: AB and SG
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:56:54 +1030

Thanks to all who responded.
It seems when I tried to get AB, their server was down.
All ok now, and I even have Gregs Email at SG
Alan
Logue & Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale
South Australia
Ph +61-8-83228965
Fax +61-8-83875535

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Odd electrical connectors on my new wiring harness.
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:06:44 -0800

I bought a new main harness for my '61 SWB a few months ago.

I'm just getting to the point of installing it now.  There are some odd
connectors on the ends of the wires leading to the instrument panel.
They look almost like male spade connections but they are slightly
bigger and with one side bent up,  (sort of an L shape) with a small
square hold in the middle.

The connections on the instrument cluster itself are regular spade
connections.  The instrument panel appears to be from a newer SIIA
vehicle, as it is painted black.  (should be body colour for a '61 SII)

What are these odd connections? Are they & their female counterparts
still available? Should there be an intermediate instrument harness
between them and the instruments?  Should I just cut them off and go to
crimp on connectors?  (they're soldered on beautifully so I hesitate to
cut them off)

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:23:00 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Bearing Part numbers

Nate,
 I posted a complete list of all series  Land  Rover bearings on the digest
last year, unfortunatley in my amatuer computer mode I lost the file, some
one must have saved it !!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:27:27 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Steering

To those who think that the LR steering is heavy might I suggest that you
start out by servicing it. In addition it is possible to reduce steering
effort significantly by changing the bearing arrangement in the swivel
housing. It is possible to fit the taper roller berings at the top as well
as at the bottom. One minor drawbak with this is that if the steering turns
easily in one direction it will also turn easily in the other direction, !!
So when off roading for example heavy steering shocks at the wheels are
easilty transmitted back to the driver
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:55:30 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Cruiser

GNBull3 wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/98 18:07:32, you wrote:
> <<PS - I've got an old Land Cruiser for free, too.  It runs and can be driven.
> I want it off my property>>
> John,
>         Do you still have the Land Cruiser. I'm interested, so if it is still 
around,
> let me know. My place is definitely looking like a "I'll bet that used to be a

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> Cheers,
> George Bull

 Boy! now I have blackmail material. If Joanna ever found out you called 
her the "old lady" I hate to think of the consequences :-)
       John and Muddy

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: LR owner needs Heat? Any for Sale Out there!
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:31:14 -0700
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All,

This is being posted for a lro who does not have email or contact with =
the LR community on a regular basis.

The person is in need of a Kodiak heating unit for his '70 SIIa.
He's the original owner, and lives in CO...It seems to have been a =
realllllllyyyyy long winter for him!

Please contact John at 303-774-9225   /   jwrover@colo-net.com

Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:19:05 -0500
From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Subject: Re: oxygenated gasoline

It sure knocked in my 71 VW beetle....

>Also, I am not sure if this came up here, or some where else, but white gas
>(Coleman Fuel) has a research octane of about 72.  This is about 68 the way 
>they mark the pumps in the US.
>David

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>they mark the pumps in the US.
>David

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:42:01 +0000
From: Cas Stimson <cstimson@gte.net>
Subject: Re: wanted: set of alloy rims for RR (would consider Disco or Defender)

I have a set of D-90 silver rims (new) that seem to occupy my yard with
a set of BFG 265/75R16 AT with less than 100 miles on them that you are
welcome to but I live in Santa Barbara.

Cas Stimson

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Subject: Bowls up
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:56:25 -0700

Ron Becket wrote that the fuel bowl was up on his vehicles in Australia.  Is
that because the water swirls in  the opposite rotation south of the
equator?

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:14:42 -0500
From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Subject: Re: Bowls up

I thought it was because they were on the bottom of the earth..
That would make it right side up here.

Or is could be a safety feature for driver down under. Maybe the 
british realized that the rovers were spending more time oily
side up, and put the fuel bowls upside down to keep the fires down.

Then again, with the bowl upside down none of that crud would
collect in your shot glass....

Russ

At 06:56 PM 3/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Ron Becket wrote that the fuel bowl was up on his vehicles in Australia.  Is
>that because the water swirls in  the opposite rotation south of the
>equator?
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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>equator?
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:24:02 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: winches

I have been thinking about a winch for my IIA.  I don't know very much
about mounting on a series rover.  What is the standard practice?

David

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:26:41 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: oxygenated gasoline

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Russ Burns wrote:

<<of white gas>>
> It sure knocked in my 71 VW beetle....

Just looked in an owners manual.  75 octane requires TDC with a 7:1 head.
So a tad ATDC would probably not ping.

david

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From: Manny Garcia <mann@skyinet.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:27:35 +0800

Hi All,
I have a few questions for the list as follows :
1) Could you fit a S1 86" body + steering into a S3 88" Chassis.
A friend is thinking of shipping in his S1 body, interior and steering (as 
original engine, gearbox and under chassis are in bad condition) and fit it in 
a S3 chassis, engine, gearbox and under chassis.  Aside from shortening the 
chassis - would this be a direct fit or not ? Alternatively, anybody from US 
interested a green S1 ( Please e-mail me direct if so ) ?
2) Trying to refurbish 6 cyl engine -

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