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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:41:00 EST
Subject: Re:  re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

In a message dated 2/23/98 8:06:13 PM, you wrote:

>Kellogg."  Is he connected with Land Rovers in some way in the Seattle
>area?

Are you kidding or are you serious? He has recieved quite a bit of negative
flack on this list for his business practices and his high prices; both of
which have apparently made people turn away from their rovers or just not get
one. 

I'm pretty far from Seattle, but should I ever find myself in that part of the
US, I'll know not to go to him thanks to this list's members' advice. *Brutish
NorthWorst*, isn't it?

pat.

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:02:26 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> I have used it in my diesel engine for quite a while... and swear by it
> Oh,  the diesel in my boat, of course.

So, are you using it as an additive in your fuel, or to your regular 
motor oil?

> What does it do?  All the stuff it says on the can... I think it will cure
> arthritis also if you apply it directly.

I'll have to get a can next trip to the US. Help me with some stiff 
joints and a sore arse after unfolding myself from the 88. Hmmm, maybe I 
should reword that...

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:18:02 -0800
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Bearing and seal.

     
     Hello all,
          I'm mid-rebuild on the swivel housing on my IIa. I ordered what I 
     thought would be all of the necessary parts. On pulling the Left 
     halfshaft and SPH I found the Half Shaft bearing to be toast. The seal 
     could also use replacement as well. 
     
          As you can imagine I have the truck apart in the driveway, the SO 
     is tolerant, for now. What i'm after is if there is a major part 
     number for this bearing and seal so I can cross ref it at the local 
     bearing house instead of overnighting one for BP or RN. 
     
          Also, Does the race for that bearing have to be pressed on? any 
     tricks o the trade. I imagine I can cold chisel the old one off if 
     need be.
     
     thanks in advance
     tew

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Marvels Mystery Oil
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:29:53 -0800

I use it in the fuel only, along with a sulfur additive/replacement and a
diesel biocide.
I looked at my can an it has no HASMAT rating or handling instructions.  You
should be able to ship it or put it in the belly suitcases.
David

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:11:23 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: diesel additives and snake oil...

Jim Allen is no doubt correct that his special diesel fuel additive is 
improving he performance of the diesel engine he is testing. I have 
doubts though, that such a product can do much for us lowly Rover diesel 
owners. 
I have a hunch that the diesel Jim is testing is either a six or an eight 
that develops way more than the paltry 65 or so horsepower the Rover 
does. As a percentage of improvement, 8 horses may be like .5 percent for 
a large displacement engine. 
The real issue comes down to a cost-benefit analysis (as always). Does 
the added cost of this product pay itself back in increased mileage? This 
would be the real test.
As owners of Thirtysomething trucks with tiny motors, I personally don't 
consider even 8 more horesepower a gain worthy of an extra 3 or four 
dollars in the tank every fill up. That'll get me there what, maybe six 
minutes sooner? Who cares. 
Now, if I had a fleet of semi-trailers...I might be interested.
Thanks Jim, but no thanks. Now if you can figure out how to make 'em run 
a wee tad quieter...

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:15:39 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Bearing and seal.

Todd Wilson wrote:

>          Does the race for that bearing have to be pressed on? 

I've simply used a brass drift to drive it on. Make sure you drive it on 
"square"   Yes, you can use a chisel to get the old one off, you can't 
hurt anything.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Please welcome...(And some GPS stuff too)

Just a quick note to everyone on the EROS list, and some other online Rover
folk, letting you all know that--thanks to the EROS computer-ERRORS
team--Eric "AB" Riston is now a full-fledged "connected" (as opposed to
just being card-carrying) member of this group--so we have to stop talking
about him as if he wasn't around to hear what we're saying. In other words
"let the fun begin!"

On a personal note, following in the footsteps of 0ur founder, I got the
Delorme TripMate GPS/moving map software up and running on my PowerBook
prior to my trip north to get Eric online. Very cool system--I like it a
lot and the Delorme maps are the best I've seen for readability. (My dad
has another system that was dealer installed in his Acura. The maps aren't
nearly as nice--but I envy the touch screen interface.)  Only downside is
that us MacUsers are stuck with Street Atlas 4.0 which doesn't offer
door-to-door routing and voice based direction--"LEFT turn ahead...make
next RIGHT", etc. I hope version 5.0 for the Mac (It's out for Win95/NT) is
on the way soon. I'd also like to see Delorme make their excellent Gazateer
backcountry/topo maps available to us on CD--join me in asking the company
for this key technoffroad tool.

If you don't own a portable GPS already, the TripMate is one to
consider--so long as you understand that it will only work in conjunction
with a laptop computer orPalmPilot. By stripping out all of the display
technology, Delorme can offer you a 12-channel parallel GPS receiver along
with the Street Atlas maps on CD for about $150. Not bad, and it works well.

Setting up the system was easy, but it took a little bit of time to pull
the maps I needed off of the CD. If you've got a CD-ROM drive on your
portable you can just use the CD. My PowerBook 2400c isn't so equipped, so
I had to download maps for my selected region--in this case ME, NH, VT, MA,
PA, NY, NJ, CT--as well as a complete Interstate map and "location finder"
data onto the machine. (You can also make selections on a county-by-county
basis for the larger states.) The program extracts the desired data from
the CD-ROM and builds a "custom" map file. This took over an hour--but my
connection to the CD drive was LocalTalk. My map file itself is 71MB. with
an extra 45MB is consumed by the (optional)  nationwide "location finder"
data--which allows you to find places by area code,  zip code or street
address.  A lot of space perhaps, but a lot of information at my
fingertips. Once the map is built it can be moved around as a data
directory so I can pull this map off onto a ZIP cartridge for storage, then
build a "southern" biased map for trips down south, west, etc.

If I ever get the Mac/Garmin data cable that I built (some years back) to
work--or byte the bullit and buy a premade cable--the system will work with
my GPS45 (mounted in FINSUP) too. I went ahead and ordered a Jotto Desk
which is a floorboard mounted tilt/swivel platform to keep the laptop at a
convenient place while driving. I'll report on that when it arrives.  I'm
also thinking that I'll switch the Rover-mounted GPS over to some sort of
12 satellite/parallel tracking unit (with a wing mounted antenna)  soon,
but I I'm going to wait and see what Garmin brings out in terms of
built-in/cartridge based maps before I take the plunge--because I'm not
sure that I'll always want to have the laptop sitting in the cab: Visions
of Picton dance in Jeff's head...

Anyone out there besides Bill and I interested in or currently using
GPS/moving map technology? Yikes--almost sounds like the coil sprung list,
don't it...

Hmmm, I think I coined a new phrase up there--technoffroad--maybe this
should be a list all its own?

RoverOn!

j "more of a luddite than I appear to be" ab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: What is Ren-Ching?
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:44:06 -0800

I just thought that I would ask....

I use Marvels Mystery Oil because it helps those old engines last longer.
At 10-12 thousand for the replacement engine for my boat, I need the engine
to last as long as I can.  That price is with my labour and no modifications
to the drive.

David

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:25:39 -0500
Subject: Re: What is Ren-Ching?

Ren-ching...ah, yes, grasshopper...

It is the discipline of the mind-wrench interface with our inanimate
brethren - the flower of repair philosophy distilled to its essences.

In short - it's fixing all this Brit junk we own.....8*)

          aj"4th level greasy belt..."r

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:06:00 -0800
From: petrova <petrova@loop.com>
Subject: Marvel Mystery Oil

>Anyone know where I can get Marvel Mystery Oil by the gallon?

Last year we were looking for Marvel Mystery Oil, they do not have a
website, they do have an e-mail address:

Marvel Mystery Oil

CORLISSBS@aol.com  Brad E. Smith

Hope this helps,
Ana Petrova
+++++++++++++++++
http://EnglishCars.com

Peter's Marina Motors, Venice Beach, California.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:42:30 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Please welcome...(And some GPS stuff too)

Jeffrey A Berg wrote:
> Just a quick note to everyone on the EROS list, and some other online Rover
> folk, letting you all know that--thanks to the EROS computer-ERRORS
> team--Eric "AB" Riston is now a full-fledged "connected" (as opposed to
> just being card-carrying) member of this group--so we have to stop talking
> about him as if he wasn't around to hear what we're saying. In other words
> "let the fun begin!"
> On a personal note, following in the footsteps of 0ur founder, I got the
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> ==
>  Jeffrey A. Berg     

I suppose it would be nice to know where the burial site site of your
terminally stuck Rover is, somewhere in the back woods of Nova Scotia
when we take you out there in September, but do those Delorme map take
you that far east? Did anyone tell you that there big scary bears in
those woods! They are very smart bears too they track you down by the
signals given off by your GPS units.
     John and Muddy

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:02:33 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: What is Ren-Ching?

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> I just thought that I would ask....
> I use Marvels Mystery Oil because it helps those old engines last longer.
> At 10-12 thousand for the replacement engine for my boat, I need the engine

 Please tell me that's Yen or Lira surely not not 12 grand in US green
for a 20 HP diesel.  I've got a nice 70 hp Perkins I'ld sell for less.
    John and Muddy

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:39:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Alterations

>Has anybody fitted defender wings to a series III vehicle? whats
> involved and how long does it take? rough ideas:)

Gee, Roydon, I was not aware that defenders have wings?  Do you perhaps
have any technical info: How high do they fly?  Airspeed?

;-)

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:14:19 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: diesel additives and snake oil...

Bill Adams said-

>I have a hunch that the diesel Jim is testing is either a six or an eight
>that develops way more than the paltry 65 or so horsepower the Rover
>does. As a percentage of improvement, 8 horses may be like .5 percent for
>a large displacement engine.

        My V8 diesel (stock) puts 94hp to the rear wheels (135net
advertised off the flywheel), meaning that an 8hp increase is over 8
percent. 8 percent of 65 hp (that's gross hp BTW) is about 5.2hp. Still,
the cost analysis Bill mentioned is a good way to work it out for the power
issue but since a 16 oz bottle that treats 60 gallons is only $3.45 at the
local place (I've seen it as high as $6), that works out to .69 per 12
gallon tank. Fairly cost effective.

        Still, Bill, you're forgetting about the lubricity issue. Some pump
are more susceptible to this than others and I don't know where the Rover
pumps (CAV or Bosch??) fit in this. Still, I was shown premature pump
failures due to lubricity in my research for the article I'm doing. I have
some tests that show that certain additives bring the wear down below the
SAE J2265 wear limit spec (the base fuel apparantly does not). These are
the Stanadyne products, John Deere Summer & Winter formulas, Power Service
Diesel Lube and the STP Diesel Treatment is just a hair outside the line.
If any diesel experts can tell us how the LR pumps hold up, we would know
how much extra help is necessary. I'll ask my sources the next chance I
get.

        About quietness, what I've learned is that the higher the
compression ratio, the noisier it will be. The Cetane rating of the fuel
plays a part (could the cetane rating boost of the Performance Formula help
noise? - possibly, didn't think to test for that!)  Direct injection is
also noisier than indirect. Correct timing plays an important part. You
need to inject the fuel at JUST THE RIGHT POINT. Too early or late and it
knocks harder. Diesel shops have some high tech timing lights for my diesel
that may work also on an antique like the 2.25L but I would suspect the
TDIs are set up for this already.

        Lastly, I got a graphic demonstration on how bad injectors can
cause more noise. Mine were real bad! The new injectors quieted the engine
significinatly. Incidentally, rebuilt injectors and pump gave me back
approximately 12hp that was going out the tailpipe. BTW, it's also amazing
how much noise the injectors and pump make on their own. At the test bench,
with the pump running at speed of 3200rpm (engine speed), it was deafening
and hearing protection was required.

        I'm putting together some general diesel info for you based on my
dyno tests so far. In gerneal, they sould apply to all diesels.

        Jim Allen

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Ah, now I get it
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:41:14 -0800

I get it because I said it out loud.
My Land Rover is named (in big letters in the rear window) "Bean Toad"...
get it?

I used to pull it behind my 17,000 # bus, "The Moose"
David

Ps.  I like the ren-chin, can I use it? - In an area that you won't notice
it on course.

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: About the diesel
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:45:00 -0800

Where are you.  Sold
wahooadv@earthlink.net

Good of you to follow the story.
That Perkins should just equal my Saab and be 250# lighter!
David

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From: "Chala, Richard Justin - BUS" <CHARJ112@bus.orst.edu>
Subject: SS mesh
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:29:57 -0800

Hello all,

Just thought I would jump into the SS wire mesh thread.

I remember seeing in some auto parts catalog, (Summit Racing?,) intake
manifold gaskets with this sort of idea.  It claimed something like better
mixing of air & fuel improving combustion thereby increasing power, mileage,
overall performance.  Oh, it wasn't for a LR application.......I just like
to look through auto catalogs.....

How much would the mesh decrease airflow?  I am sure it would depend on many
variables, like how fine the mesh is, etc.

I hope everyone has a good day/afternoon/evening.

Rich Chala
charj112@bus.orst.edu
    _____  
    [__[__\==_                             
   *[_"___|__])                 
 ____(o)___(o)__________
  _______________________________________
 Series III, 88"  Land Rover 4x4

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:51:13 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: SS mesh

Chala, Richard Justin - BUS wrote:

> Hello all,
> Just thought I would jump into the SS wire mesh thread.
> I remember seeing in some auto parts catalog, (Summit Racing?,) intake
> manifold gaskets with this sort of idea.  It claimed something like better
> mixing of air & fuel improving combustion thereby increasing power, mileage,
> overall performance.  Oh, it wasn't for a LR application.......I just like
> to look through auto catalogs.....
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>   _______________________________________
>  Series III, 88"  Land Rover 4x4

Hey guys, I'm sure there's also a formula for turning Birmabright into gold by
boiling it in EP90...

In the meantime I'll keep trying to perfect my carb jetting and CO settings.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:16:44 -0800

> >Anyone know where I can get Marvel Mystery Oil by the gallon?
> Last year we were looking for Marvel Mystery Oil, they do not have a
> website, they do have an e-mail address:

I've seen the gallon cans at Grand Auto (SF Bay Area).

Frank

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:35:30 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: In response to Jim's reply about diesels...

As a Series Rover owner, and I think I speak for all on this list, I care 
little for preventive maintenance issues 'cept for oil changes and such. 
I just drive the sh*t out of the truck until something fails and then the 
truck sits until I fix it. Artists like me and the other non-automotive 
engineering types are more concerned with the day in, day out operation 
of the truck and getting a couple more HP out of a tired old engine just 
doesn't seem that important. I do thank you for the fine report you have 
posted as I found it interesting and very informative. If I ever scrape 
together enough money to get the engine rebuilt (as if) I'll certainly 
take the recommendations you provide under advisement ( yup, refurb 
injectors are on the list.) Please keep up the good work in the research 
end of things as we always enjoy hearing from you. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:07:10 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Land Rover Centre

I was born within approx 25 miles of Huddersfield and have relatives there.
I lived in the area for 45 years, bought my first Land Rover thirty years
ago and have survived without shopping at LRC. Howver some of my friends
have been less fortunate.  LRC is one of the last places I would ever buy a
Land Rover.
 Caveat Emptor.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:08:38 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: start me up

Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org wrote

>It is also in the neighborhood of the infamous Mr. Kellogg, the ultimate
>flake.  If he can stay in business there is something wrong with the
>customers.

Just got the latest LRW in the mail.  In it, there is a plug for Mr.
Kellogg and a "new" starter that looks suspiciously like the five-bearing,
"Mean Green" unit that Safari Gard and others are now marketing and was
discussed on the list several weeks ago.  The article claims that Kellogg
personally 'developed' the starter and is looking for world-wide sales reps.

Curious

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Land Rover Centre
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:05:27 -0800

That's good to know.

I have only contacted them via e-mail a few years ago when I was toying
with the idea of importing a vehicle to Canada.

They seemed eager to help at the time;  perhaps a little TOO eager...

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88 under construction
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Ah, now I get it

Re: Can I use it?

Wish I could give you permission, but alas it is not mine.....

Watch the list - it's Bill's - ask and i'm sure he'd give an OK.

                    ajr

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:08:15 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: In response to Jim's reply about diesels...

At 04:35 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Adams, Bill wrote:
>As a Series Rover owner, and I think I speak for all on this list, I care 
>little for preventive maintenance issues 'cept for oil changes and such. 
>I just drive the sh*t out of the truck until something fails and then the 
>truck sits until I fix it. 

Beg to differ with you there Bill, and I think I speak for some on this
list: I *do* care about PM issues beyond oil changes and such. (By the way,
I am non-automotive and not artistic, maybe autistic though :>) I prefer not
to let things get to such a sorry state that things fail when with a little
bit of effort and money I have a much better chance of truckin on. I would
rather fix the door catch before I fly out. I would rather have the wipers
working well unstead of crashing into yon tree because I couldn't see it. I
would rather breath than die of asphixiation (sp?) because I was unwilling
to fix the exhaust leak. Etc, etc.

Artists like me and the other non-automotive 
>engineering types are more concerned with the day in, day out operation 
>of the truck and getting a couple more HP out of a tired old engine just 
>doesn't seem that important. 

Again, timeout. I don't want to wrench the engine apart just for the sake of
wrenching, but I also realize that I don't want to get 8 mpg. Part of the
"joy/enjoyment" of having these older vehicles, imho, is to keep them up.

Clayton

>I do thank you for the fine report you have 
>posted as I found it interesting and very informative. If I ever scrape 
>together enough money to get the engine rebuilt (as if) I'll certainly 
>take the recommendations you provide under advisement ( yup, refurb 
>injectors are on the list.) Please keep up the good work in the research 
>end of things as we always enjoy hearing from you. 
>Bill Adams
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>'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
>"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Fuel Additives
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:23:15 -0700

Jim,

I'd love to get as much info as you can give. I recently purchased a diesel
2.25 SIII and have little to no knowledge of how to increase performance.

jwrover@colo-net.com 
609 Collyer St.
Longmont, CO 80501

Thanks.
John Wood

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> From: Jim Allen <jimallen@onlinecol.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Diesel Fuel Additives
> Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 2:45 PM
> To All Diesel Owners-
>         Recently dyno tested a diesel fuel additive and got some pretty

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>         The stuff comes from Stanadyne and is called Performance Formula.
> Not only does it increase lubricity (to compensate for the poor low
sulpher
> fuel) but it ads to the cetane rating of the fuel. On my tests it gave me
> 8hp and I could feel it seat-o-the-pants off the dyno.
>         I have a few other diesel facts learned from the dyno and
elsewhere
> to share that should be fairly generic if there are enough diesel lovers
> out there.
> Let me know.
>         BTW, Performance Formula can be found at any authorized Stanadyne
> outlet and at some other place, though I  have never noticed it before. I
> sure notice it now!
>         Jim Allen
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> sure notice it now!
>         Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:23:22 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Please welcome...(And some GPS stuff too)

First an apology to all. My long post on GPS/Computer maps was intended for
the EROS list and a few selected individuals. The message wasn't supposed
to go to the LRO list at all--and I'm still not sure how it got there.
(Most likely explanation being what little mind I had is now gone
completely.) Anyhow,my words are "out there" now so I'll have to respond to
Uncle Muddy's questions...

>I suppose it would be nice to know where the burial site site of your
>terminally stuck Rover is, somewhere in the back woods of Nova Scotia
>when we take you out there in September, but do those Delorme map take
>you that far east?

Unfortunately the CD I got doesn't cover the wild's of Nova Scotia--or even
the highways and byways of Ontario. I have high hopes that someday  soon
that datum will be available digitally-along with the Gazateer topo maps.
But it is pretty handy for finding most of the destinations I need to find
here in the U.S. (Unity, ME is there.)

>Did anyone tell you that there big scary bears in
>those woods! They are very smart bears too they track you down by the
>signals given off by your GPS units.

Wasn't carrying a GPS when I got treed by a grizzly in Jasper in 1981 so I
guess I'll takes my chances--and increase my odds by storing pungent meat
snacks (and "fertile" women) in *your* truck.

RoverOn!

j "carries a gun in bear country--to someone else in the knee before
fleeing" ab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                  jeff@purpleshark.com
                   ==================
	Love is fine until you taste
	This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lage Nom Ai
                                                         

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Marvel Mystery Oil and SS Mesh
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:28:04 -0500

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