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1 SPYDERS@aol.com 20Re: Stainless Steel Gauze under carb ??
2 SPYDERS@aol.com 15Re: Stainless Steel Gauze under carb ??
3 Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um24Gearbox question?
4 kerryscott@usa.net 15Leaking Rear Main Seal
5 SPYDERS@aol.com 24Re: RE:Rear main seal
6 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l19Re: Gearbox question?
7 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd25Re: Gearbox question?
8 john cranfield [john.cra15Re: Gearbox question?
9 Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca17Miss Golightly is poorly. Electronic fault?
10 William S Kowalski [702520 RE: 2.5 four cyl where a 2.6 six cyl was
11 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l20Re: Miss Golightly is poorly. Electronic fault?
12 "LT J Jackson" [lt_j_jac21Re- Rear Main Seal
13 Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca20Stainless Steel Gauze under carb
14 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 32re: pink messages
15 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 31RE: stainless gauze
16 Keith Mohlenhoff [krm@nj14Thanks to all who replied to my engine/transmission problem
17 "Jean Gruneberg" [grunbe22Re: Pink Mail
18 jimallen@onlinecol.com (11RE: stainless gauze
19 Clayton Kirkwood [kirkwo55Re: SWMBO speaks!
20 "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti15Eyes needed in Philly area
21 Cas Stimson [cstimson@gt8Safari Gard Lifts?
22 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o39Re: Photography
23 MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com15RE: Safari Gard Lifts?
24 "Christopher J. Clanton"26Re: Rear Main Seal
25 "David and Cynthia Walke14Were my messeges screwwy?
26 "David and Cynthia Walke9Dave B
27 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd29Re: Were my messeges screwwy?
28 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml13RE: Importing and the 25 year rule
29 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@26RE: Tuffy cupholder
30 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns16Marvel Mystery Oil, was Stainless Steel Gauze under carb
31 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml21RE: For Dixons pleasure, No LR content
32 SPYDERS@aol.com 18Re: Were my messeges screwwy?
33 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd32RE: Importing and the 25 year rule
34 Solihull@aol.com 25Re: RE: 2.5 four cyl where a 2.6 six cyl was
35 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o17Re: Dave B
36 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 25Scale
37 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 24Carb question
38 "David and Cynthia Walke18Marvel Mystery Oil
39 caloccia@senie.com 35multipart html postings..... appending forwarded messages
40 Michael Roberts [psu007113Boise, Idaho Sighting
41 "Eyres, Richard RP" [Eyr28RE: Gearbox question?
42 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b32Tigger resolved!
43 john cranfield [john.cra20Re: Gearbox question?
44 jimallen@onlinecol.com (18Re: Carb question
45 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@42Getting rid of HTML in posts to the list (No Rover--but please
46 jimallen@onlinecol.com (26Diesel Fuel Additives
47 jberg@hearstnewmedia.com31RE: Safari Gard Lifts?
48 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@TT11Seat Belts
49 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa38Re: Help with Series III
50 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa33Re: Oil Pressure when going down hills
51 Adrian Redmond [channel633Calling all Macintosh drivers (no LR content)
52 "Christopher A. Glaves" 19Billing '98
53 "Eyres, Richard RP" [Eyr26RE: Diesel Fuel Additives
54 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa32re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)
55 bmc@syspac.com 27Re: Scale
56 "Eyres, Richard RP" [Eyr26Re: Help with Series III
57 Bill Caloccia [wpc@caloc67billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)
58 M Saghafi & C deGuzman [6subscribe
59 john cranfield [john.cra10Re: Diesel Fuel Additives
60 john cranfield [john.cra9Re: Diesel Fuel Additives
61 David Cockey [dcockey@ti18Re: Adventures
62 "Christopher A. Glaves" 28Re: billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)
63 "drew squires" [drewteri10Re: Getting rid of HTML in posts to the list (No Rover--but please
64 rogers [rogers@batnet.co7[not specified]
65 CIrvin1258@aol.com 21Re: Stainless Steel Gauze under carb
66 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd86Re: billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)


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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:31:58 EST
Subject: Re:  Stainless Steel Gauze under carb ??

In a message dated 2/23/98 4:47:24 AM, gwalker wrote:

>Landies for years. He told her a way to save petrol on a Landie was to put
>a stainless steel gauze under the carb.

What *else* did he tell her... ;-) 

I thought that trick only worked if you had a magnet in the gas tank, a
tornado filter in the air intake, metrinch tools in the box, and Slick 50
oozing out of any oily seam... and maybe a burr walnut dash. Oh sorry, the
last one doesn't save gas, just earns points.

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:35:40 EST
Subject: Re:  Stainless Steel Gauze under carb ??

Does anyone remember the advice given to save water during droughts? The
advice was to put Bricks in the reservoir of toilets.

Maybe a brick or two in his petrol tank will help him save petrol? Actually,
if he just put *water* in the tank, he would save a whole lot of petrol.

Anyone know where I can get Marvel Mystery Oil by the gallon?

pat

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:39:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Gearbox question?

I just found a used gearbox in my parts car and have a few questions:

1. It has two differences from my 1962 vintage cars.... the clutch slave
	mounts horizonally, and it has a back-up? light switch on the
	gear lever gate.  Is this a series III unit ?

2. Any suggestions on determining the condition short of tearing it
	completely apart ?

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
POB 352, Machiasport
Maine, 04654
207-255-4036

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the chefs are British, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics
French, the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.

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From: kerryscott@usa.net
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 05:35:04
Subject: Leaking Rear Main Seal

My 1970 IIA 88 with 2.5 petrol is also suffering from a real main seal leak.  
Everything else is working well so I am reluctant to pull the engine.  However, 
my leaking oil has resulted to some clutch slippage.  Other than pulling the 
engine, changing seal and clutch, do I have any other choices?  If I have to 
pull and fix, what else should I do while I'm at it?  Any suggestions very much 
appreciated.

____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:42:01 EST
Subject: Re:  RE:Rear main seal

In a message dated 2/23/98 1:49:18 AM, you wrote:

>I check the engine oil and top up if necessary but believe me if the engine
is
>good it is not worth it to pull the engine out just for the seal.  

>There is also another advantage.  When you periodically top up with oil you
have
>good oil lubricating the engine every time reducing wear and sludge building
up.

To those who practice "constant oil changing" just be sure you change the
filter more often than normal. I know of a 82 dodge that has *never* had the
sump plug out. the new owner asked about the maintenance and the po said: "it
gets fresh oil every week", bless her soul.

pat
93 110

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:42:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Gearbox question?

Re: Gearbox:

Yes, with a horizontal clutch slave it's a Series III.

No, if you already have it out of the car pull it apart and have a good
look around. It's not hard, and all the gaskets need replacing anyway....

Seriously, replacing the seals and gaskets on the bench (as well as a run
at it with a micrometer) is a great way to determine the condition of a
donor transmission. Do it in sections (separating the T-case from the
tranny) and it's easy to do alone, as none of the bits are too heavy.

          ajr

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:49:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Gearbox question?

>1. It has two differences from my 1962 vintage cars.... the clutch slave
>    mounts horizonally, and it has a back-up? light switch on the
>    gear lever gate.  Is this a series III unit ?

SII and SIII gearboxes are very similar.

The best way to tell them apart is probably by part number. I happen to
have the SIII parts book with me in the office, if you can get a part
number to me this afternoon, I'll look it up...

SII has synchro on 3/4th, whilst the SIII has synchro on 1/2/3/4.

SIII (what I have) has the clutch axis horizontal. Imagine you were looking
forward in the vehicle (ie. driving position), then the clutch is in the 7
oclock/ 8 oclock sort of position. I doubt its different in the SII.

Never heard/seen of the light. A PO modificiation?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:52:44 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Gearbox question?

Karl Kurz wrote:
> I just found a used gearbox in my parts car and have a few questions:
> 1. It has two differences from my 1962 vintage cars.... the clutch slave
>         mounts horizonally, and it has a back-up? light switch on the
>         gear lever gate.  Is this a series III unit ?
> 2. Any suggestions on determining the condition short of tearing it
>         completely apart ?

 the short answer to your questions: yes.......no
     John and Muddy

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: Miss Golightly is poorly. Electronic fault?
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:00:00 -0500

Having successful participated in the Toronto Auto Show press day and
removed that awful wax Miss G decided to display her displeasure at the
abuse by developing a nasty backfire this weekend. The backfire then
progressed into lack of power and then lack of anything. There is fuel,
and a weak spark but no go. After sitting for a few hours she will start
fine then in a couple of minutes expire again. My initial  diagnosis was
a bad coil but a replacement produced no change. I think my Crane
Allison electronic ignition may be the culprit. A bad transistor that
ceases to function as it warms up? Any suggestions from our electronic
wizzos out there? Could the IR LED or the photo transistor go bad like
this or would that just result in not function at all?

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:06:40 -0500
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Subject:   RE:  2.5 four cyl where a 2.6 six cyl was

I will predict an engine cooling problem because the radiator fan is too
far back from the radiator core therefore no air will be pulled through the
radiator core. Unless of course you have fabricated a very efficient cowl
from the radiator core to the perimeter of the fan blade or install an
electric radiator fan.

Been there,

Bill Kowalski
Chicago, Il

'67 L-R 109" IIA  w/ 2.25 liter Rover engine w/ new chassis/ correct
bulkhead now
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"  

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:11:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Miss Golightly is poorly. Electronic fault?

Re: Allison/Crane unit:

There are several checks you can do by jumpering terminals - you might want
to do those.

Easier and more to the point, though, throw your points back in and try
that.

I will say that this is the exact same symptom I saw when my Crane failed -
and this is why it now resides elsewhere.

Try the points.

               ajr

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Date: 23 Feb 1998 08:46:45 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re- Rear Main Seal

Neil Sheridan wrote:  Who wrote this?  Really!  Come on, was it you, LT
Jackson?

Nope.  You know my car too well to think that this was me, Neil.  I've only
got a quarter-sized spot for the first 4 seconds after parking.  After that it
quickly progresses through half-dollar,  saucer, frisbee,  and, if parked with
snout pointed downhill, the dreaded trashcan lid-sized spot o' oil.   My
driveway is a potential Superfund site.

All this AFTER pulling the engine and replacing the rear main seal.   The only
thing more dangerous than a little (mechanical) knowledge is a little
knowledge combined with a little ambition and a little tool set.

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88 "Spot"
"Leakproof seals don't"

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From: Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca
Subject: Stainless Steel Gauze under carb
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:03:00 -0500

A long long time ago in a land far away a company advertized such a
device in Exhange and Mart. Along with many other fuel saving panaceas
it doesn't do anything at all. The effects of most of these devices is
psychological. "I spent $$$ on this and therefore it is going to improve
mpg/performance/emissions etc."
There may be some fuel savings due to the decreased cross section
available for air/fuel flow. It could also save an engine rebuild if one
is in the habit of dropping small items down the carburettor throat.

Andy Philpot sent me a copy of an article from New Scientist or a
similar publication that had tested the "ECOFLOW' magnet fuel ionizer.
Their conclusion was that like most other devices. (eg gauze) "You would
probably get as good a mileage improvement by tying a dead chicken to
your manifold" and you can't eat the ECOFLOW when it's done!!!!

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:46:40 -0600
Subject: re: pink messages

writes:
>> I believe it recognizes and allows for hotlinks to email addresses
>> and web pages in email.  Of course it also fails to pick up its own
>> trash and spews it out all over the internet into everyones mailbox
>> not set up for browser email.  Thanks Bob.. err, Bill!!
>Which is rather odd, 'cos both of my email systems (Notes and AMEOL)
>recognise HTML tags and use them accordingly, no problem at all. I don't
>really like Notes (but getting used to it), and AMEOL is a system-specific
>email system, but works well.
I'll like Notes a lot more once I modify the mail forms to do things the
way *I* want. (That's where Notes resembles a Land Rover, if you want to
change something about it, it's relatively easy if you like to tinker.)

>So why can't IE do it proper?
Same reason alot of MS products can't, or won't. If everyone used IE, then
we wouldn't have a problem, right?
Anyway, I'm told there is a mail setting somewhere in IE that lets one make
it work properly and coexist politely with the rest of the world.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
5-6194, Fax:2-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:49:45 -0600
Subject: RE: stainless gauze

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 02-23-98 08:49 AM

cc:
Subject:  RE: stainless gauze

>> My girlfriend met a hunter in Botswana. He had been driving i.e. fixing
old

>What was the gauze supposed to do? If it acted as a heat
deflector/absorber to
>prevent perculation in the carb I suppose it would have a beneficial
effect.
>Other than that I really can't imagine what it's going to accomplish.
I imagine the theory is that it would create smaller fuel particles.
Remember, metal gauze is *very* fine mesh. At least that's what I refer to
when I speak of gauze.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
5-6194, Fax:2-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:53:28 -0500
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Thanks to all who replied to my engine/transmission problem

Hello;
Since I purchased my 1971 SWB, I had noticed that the engine/tranny unit
was askew. A while back I posted the problem to the list. Thanks to all
on the list who suggested that the tranny mounting brackets might have
been switched. They were then, but they ain't now.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
1963 IIA 5 door 2.25D
1971 IIA 3 door 2.25P

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From: "Jean Gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: Pink Mail
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:56:50 +0200

>I detest HTML encoded mail.  I am really thinking about writing procmail
filters to kill it before I ever see it.

This is going the same way as the freelander and BMW 2.8i motor in a Land
Rover, see the archives of the za-list for that discussion.  Soon all e-mail
will be html and the dos / Unix users will just have to sift thru the spam
to find the message.  But I get the feeling its the wave of the future
courtesy of uncle bill and LRUK GmbH.

And we wont go into what win98beta2.1 was like........

Jean Andre Gruneberg
grunberg@iafrica.com

P.O.Box 201010,  Durban North, 4016 KZN, South Africa
(031)843654  (082)5518433

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:26:40 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: RE: stainless gauze

Missed the early comment, but was the gauze installed in the float bowl? If
so, it could have been to prevent fuel slosh and flooding at angles. A
similar idea comes in the form of a foam insert that goes into the float
chambesr of Holly carbs.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:56:00 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: SWMBO speaks!

At 05:22 PM 2/20/98 -0800, Dale Avery wrote:
>For the sake of Tigger, I tried the straw trick, trust me, paper ones
>and coffee don't work!  So I made a trip into Starbucks, picked up a
>Mocha and 20 straws...never let it be said that I didn't give the Land
>Rover a fair chance.  Of course, I could simply try a cup with a lid,
>but with Spokane's poor pot hole control, even that doesn't always
>work.  FYI, I drove Tigger the summer Dale was away, enjoyed every
>surprised envious look I received when I got out of it in my heels and
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>"Sunday go to meeting" dress!  You "guys" made my day.  Thanks and enjoy
>every minute of your "rovin"!

Of course, what I may suggest to suffice all issues is go to MickeyD's, get
very hot coffee, drive down the road in Tigger, spill the coffee, get a bad
2nd degree burn and then sue the heck out of both McD's AND the city
(weren't taking care of the potholes even tho they were aware of the them
(criminal neglect)). You collect enough to get the RR and keep Tigger, plus
get lowered wheels for Tigger (would look real cool man in town, keeping the
gawking guys at bay, etc, etc.) A lowered 88 would be b*tchin' dude :>)))

>Oh, now she tells me!  Here's the OM again.  Seeing that Tigger is
>riding on 16" tyres,  what the guys were really looking at was my dainty
>5'4" wifey-pooh trying to trying to act 'cultured' as she dropped out of
>the driver's seat!  
>but with Spokane's poor pot hole control, even that doesn't always

I'm sure climbing back in is even more entertaining. When Lynn was pregnant
with both of our little ones, we kept the running boards on the Disco so
that at least she could appear dignified (kind of hard when you are pregnant
and in a shorter skirt).

>BTW,  thanks for all your comments pro and con about selling Tigger. 
>Laughter is indeed the best medicine!  And laughter I need.  I just got
>a hearing aide stuck in my left ear. Driving in Tigger is a very noisy
>experience!  Think I'd rather be deaf!  No, wait, SWMBO doesn't want me
>deaf. Ah, what the heck I'd rather be!
>work.  FYI, I drove Tigger the summer Dale was away, enjoyed every

I think, given the length that this line has continued, that we are all
having a great time (sorry for those who believe that this is strickly a
technical forum).

>Oh, she says my butt, and other parts, are not flat!  ;-)
>Laughter is indeed the best medicine!  And laughter I need.  I just got

I don't think we want to hear about this !!!!!!

Clayton

>Oh, she says my butt, and other parts, are not flat!  ;-)

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:01:46 -0600
From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Subject: Eyes needed in Philly area

I'm looking at buying a SIII LWB in the Philly area and
was wondering if anyone on the list would be willing
to give it the once-over for me in exchange for a pint
or two when (if) I go pick it up.  I'm not sure it's actually
made it into the country yet, but it's supposed to be here
soon.  Replies by E-Mail please, no need to bomb the list.
Thanks in advance.
							-MM
-- 
Many British parts, one British Car, looking for British workhorse.

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:12:48 +0000
From: Cas Stimson <cstimson@gte.net>
Subject: Safari Gard Lifts?

Anyone installed any of the Safari Gard lifts.  If so did you like the
result?  I have a 110 and do a lot of off road work and would like a
little more clearance in rocky terrain.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 11:23:00 EST
Subject: Re: Photography

I would like to know about how to get you to send messages that AREN'T 25 lines 
of HTML crap.
Its really tedious...
DaveB

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: Safari Gard Lifts?
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:46:46 -0500

Eric Riston at Atlantic British installed the Stage 2 on his Range Rover.
He loves them.  I am sure you can give him a call and ask him about it. His
extension is 231 when you call.

Kevin

> Anyone installed any of the Safari Gard lifts.  If so did you like the
> result?  I have a 110 and do a lot of off road work and would like a
> little more clearance in rocky terrain.

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From: "Christopher J. Clanton" <clantoc@cscoe.ac.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Main Seal
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:46:15 -0600

Hilarious... I guess I should consider myself lucky and sit tight with
the leak I've got...

-cjc

-Christopher Clanton
 clantoc@cscoe.ac.com
 Andersen Consulting
 Minneapolis, MN USA

>From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
>Subject: Re- Rear Main Seal
>Neil Sheridan wrote:  Who wrote this?  Really!  Come on, was it you, LT
>Jackson?
>Nope.  You know my car too well to think that this was me, Neil.  I've only
>got a quarter-sized spot for the first 4 seconds after parking.  After that it
>quickly progresses through half-dollar,  saucer, frisbee,  and, if parked with
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>73 SIII 88 "Spot"
>"Leakproof seals don't"

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Were my messeges screwwy?
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:24:26 -0800

Were they "pink" or what ever else was going on...
Did I rid myself of the HTML encoding?

HELP, I can field strip my LR with a leatherman and visegrips but if Lucas
is the prince of darkness, what is Microsoft, the dark empire?

David
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Dave B
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:29:27 -0800

Is this better?
If not, tell me how to fix it, please
David

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:12:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Were my messeges screwwy?

Yep, much better!

Re. Microsoft:  The Evil Empire rather than the Dark Empire.
I think Microsoft gets a hard time a lot of the time, but they do have a
certain arrogance.
There are other much bigger computer companies around...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

wahooadv@earthlink.net on 02/23/98 10:24:26 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Were my messeges screwwy?

Were they "pink" or what ever else was going on...
Did I rid myself of the HTML encoding?
HELP, I can field strip my LR with a leatherman and visegrips but if Lucas
is the prince of darkness, what is Microsoft, the dark empire?
David
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Importing and the 25 year rule
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:13:58 -0800

Try http://www.lrch.demon.co.uk

This is for The Land Rover Centre, Huddersfield.  Their web page has
some guidelines for exporting to the US.  They also have some stock
online.

Paul.

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:16:57 -0500
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: RE: Tuffy cupholder

>What everyone needs is a Camel Back.

Uh, no thanks. Just a wee bit too trendy for me. Besides, I *like* drinking
my coffee from a mug. (And I could just see the face on the Dunkin
Donuts/Tim Horton girl when I handed over a backpack to be filled with
coffee.)

Another solution must be found...

RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                  jeff@purpleshark.com
                   ==================
	Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
	None but our self can free our mind...
	...Redemption Song.
			--Bob Marley

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:24:41 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Marvel Mystery Oil,  was Stainless Steel Gauze under carb 

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone know where I can get Marvel Mystery Oil by the gallon?
> pat

Have seen it at VIP store on Maine on a trip last year. Wondered what a 
funny sounding oil like that would be good for. Is it the same oil you 
could buy from the guy who sold 'lixers and potions back in the 1800's ? 
;-)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: For Dixons pleasure, No LR content
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:33:13 -0800

This 'Urban Legend' has been floating around the web for a few years.

My sister, who was in the Canadian navy for 23 years, assures me that
the incident never happened.

However, one of our destroyers did collide with a US aircraft carrier in
the strait of Juan de Fuca (between Victoria & Seattle) a number of
years ago - HMCS Kootenay, I think...  The destroyer went under the port
side of the carrier and had it's antennae array unceremoniously removed.
 No one was injured.  Blame was assessed 50/50 as both vessels should
have altered course to starboard but neither did.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:45:04 EST
Subject: Re:  Were my messeges screwwy?

In a message dated 2/23/98 12:06:08 PM, you wrote:

>Were they "pink" or what ever else was going on...
>Did I rid myself of the HTML encoding?
[snip]
>David
>wahooadv@earthlink.net

Ahhh. David cures his computer's HTMLitis. Good goin', dude.

pat
93  110

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:51:49 +0000
Subject: RE: Importing and the 25 year rule

There are people on the UK list with bad experiences of this place.

I went there when I was looking for a vehicle. The only one they had in my
price range wasn't in the best of shape (SIII 109" diesel). My brother was
reaching under and pulling hand-fulls of outrigger off! I don't think we
even got the big screwdriver out.
It was priced for about GBP 2500 or thereabouts!

Can't remember if they had any 88"s - if so, they were over GBP 3000, as
were the lightweights.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Paul_Quin@pml.com on 02/23/98 05:13:58 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  RE: Importing and the 25 year rule

Try http://www.lrch.demon.co.uk
This is for The Land Rover Centre, Huddersfield.  Their web page has
some guidelines for exporting to the US.  They also have some stock
online.
Paul.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:52:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:    RE:  2.5 four cyl where a 2.6 six cyl was

>I will predict an engine cooling problem because the radiator fan is too
>far back from the radiator core therefore no air will be pulled through the
>radiator core. 

Yeah, I agree. I hope the guy whose truck it is, gets a proper rad or at
least electric fans. For 1500 quid and air freight there shoulda been one in
the box!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 13:00:27 EST
Subject: Re: Dave B

>Is this better?
>If not, tell me how to fix it, please 
>David

yes. thanks. I don't know how to fix things on computers except for just 
bitching about them...

muchos gracias
later
dave who hates signing his name as DaveB, but doesn't want people to think his 
obnoxious posts are by one of the other daves

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:13:17 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Scale

Benjamin G. Newman,MD <medone@iag.net wrote:

>The local Land Rover dealer in Orlando would like to have on display in
>his showroom my 1967 109 NADA SW for approx. 6 weeks in celebration of
>LR's 50th anniversity. What should my charge be for this???

Whatever the market will bear.  When my Rover was used in filming episodes
of "Archaeology" for the Discovery Channel, it got $150 a day.  As an extra
- no speaking parts, no SAG card :-(  -  I got $25 plus lunch.  I doubt
that a dealer would pay that much.  Why not bargain for oil changes for
life or some such?  cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:13:32 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Carb question

>Grieg Walker wrote:
>>He told her a way to save petrol on a Landie was to put
>> a stainless steel gauze under the carb.
>> Was he having her on ?

Off-road a few years ago, I helped a friend pull the had on his J**p
Cherokee.  Under the carb, the intake manifold had a set these fingers or
knobs cast into the Al housing.  I imagine a ss screen would work the same
way - inducing heat into the fuel/air mix as well as turbulence to induce
more atomization and a more efficient burn. Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Marvel Mystery Oil
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:37:19 -0800

I have used it in my diesel engine for quite a while... and swear by it
Oh,  the diesel in my boat, of course.
You can get a Gallon at NAPA or any big automotive store.
What does it do?  All the stuff it says on the can... I think it will cure
arthritis also if you apply it directly.

I have nearly 6,000 hours on Saab 20Hp

Cheers
David

Thank You all for helping me clear up my mail manners.

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 23 Feb 1998 18:40:25 -0000
Subject: multipart html postings..... appending forwarded messages

Hi Dave and Paul,

	Yes there is some code in the digester to deal with content-type
which is not purely text.   I've been noticing more bozos sending both
text and html copies from their browsers (guess they haven't found the 
check box under Edit>Preferences>Mail>Messages to turn off 
	()By default, send rich text (HTML) messages

	And, I've just not gotten back into that code to drop these
tossers HTML components on the floor.  I'd considered allowing their
HTML through onto the web-digests, but that would require more work
on inspecting the content (to prevent including obnoxious graphics),
At the present content is being let through, under the premise that
it may have only been sent in HTML, but that clearly is not the case
with multipart/alternative messages.

	I'll see if I can get to it this week, though I'd like to
do more with it, another hack will have to suffice.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H OD		  D
   +--|--|   o   | |           L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L N           |  2	    because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:06:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Boise, Idaho Sighting

Dear All,

	When I was in Boise, Idaho this last Saturday, I spotted a SIIA 
109 3 door hard top, painted faded Bronze Green and primer grey.  Idaho 
plates 1A 244 425 at the Vista Village Mall on S Vista.  On the list???

Michael Roberts
Vernonia, Oregon

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Gearbox question?
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:17:00 +1100

>I just found a used gearbox in my parts car and have a few questions:

>1. It has two differences from my 1962 vintage cars.... the clutch
slave
>	mounts horizonally, and it has a back-up? light switch on the
>	gear lever gate.  Is this a series III unit ?

>2. Any suggestions on determining the condition short of tearing it
>	completely apart ?

>Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY

Karl,
The light switch is more than likely for a reversing light.  Not sure if
its factory or not. Mine wasn't, but I've seen quite a few gearboxes
with them. I fitted one to my S3 myself. Easy enough to do, the hardest
part was finding a suitable switch. In the end I got one from an
electronics store. Its then just a case of drilling a suitably located
hole so that when reverse is selected the linkage pushes against the
switch, turning on the reversing light.
Richard. 1973 S3 SWB
New Zealand.

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Tigger resolved!
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:34:22 +1100

SWMBO wrote:
>>Just a note in my defense...  ALL I wanted was to ride in a rig that I
>>could drink a cup of coffee in without spilling it all over myself.

Uncle Roger responded with:
>Aw, see...  It was just a misunderstanding!  Dale, you don't need to
>buy a range rover, just a covered travel mug!  8^)

As a Rangie owner, I feel I finally have to repsond to all the slurs about
our choice of vehicle.  If SWMBO really wanted to be able to have a drink in
the Series, all she needs to use is one of those children's training cups
with the little spout.

Surely that would be cheaper than changing cars?

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:13:53 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Gearbox question?

Eyres, Richard RP wrote:
> >I just found a used gearbox in my parts car and have a few questions:
> >1. It has two differences from my 1962 vintage cars.... the clutch
> slave
> >       mounts horizonally, and it has a back-up? light switch on the
> >       gear lever gate.  Is this a series III unit ?
> >2. Any suggestions on determining the condition short of tearing it
> >       completely apart ?
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Richard. 1973 S3 SWB
> New Zealand.
 NAS seriesIII and very late IIa had backup lights fitted as standard
equipment and used this switch to do the job. Very few, if any, other
market areas had them,
            John and Muddy

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:33:20 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Carb question

RE: A Screen in the Intake-

        AHA! It won't work and I'll tell you why. Did you know that some
racers have used screens as air dams in lieu of a solid piece of metal.
Beyond a very low level of airflow, they are restrictive. So if you have
Solex with only 115cfm (the lowest flowing 4-cylinder LR carb) you will be
reducing airflow even more and reducing performance as well. Some years
ago, a hot-rod magazine did a test of one of these deals and proved the
above. Basically, the carb should be able to properly atomize the fuel. If
it can't, you have a carb problem that needs fixing. Please don't waste
your money! Snake oil!

        Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:36:27 -0500
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Getting rid of HTML in posts to the list (No Rover--but please

Don't blame the tools for the mechanic's incompetence. Both Internet
Explorer and Netscape allow you to turn off imbedded HTML in email
messages--either altogether, or on an address-by-address basis. Poke around
in the preferences and turn it off for posts to the list--and while you're
at it for any messages to me ;-)

Contrary to Mr. C's implication, the embedding of the HTML has nothing at
all to do with various client software programs' (Netscape, Exploder,
Eudora) ability to interpret URL's (http, mailto, etc.) and make them
hotlinks within the message window. No html is needed for that, it just
looks for the text string "[URLTYPE]://" and makes it hot. HTML is being
used for formatting of the message text. (Okay, I guess the embedded HTML
"could" be used to make the hotlink, but it's not necessary for the
process.) Unfortunately, Bill C's WWW digest reader doesn't interpret the
HTML (or filter it) so it makes for messy messages for those reading on the
WWW.

While I'm ranting, another thing that's drivin' me nuts are these new "vcf"
cards--signature file "business cards" served up by netscape and other
clients. Eudora, still my email client of choice, treats them as an
attached file but doesn't include them in the message body. To read them I
have to open them with a text editor...and at the end of the week I have to
sift through my downloads folder and throw away the accumulation--often
hundreds of files...

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================

"Intelligent" and "Talented" don't sound especially
pejorative. That's why the talentless and stupid had
to invent the word "arrogant."
	Kristen Brennan, Buffalo Girls
	http://www.jitterbug.com/pages/buffalo.html

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:45:59 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Diesel Fuel Additives

To All Diesel Owners-

        Recently dyno tested a diesel fuel additive and got some pretty
astonishing results. Thought you might be interested. I'm doing a
(non-Rover) project vehicle for FOUR WHEELER which includes a diesel
performance buildup. I've learned lots of great stuff so far and have
picked up 40hp and 50lbs-ft (dyno tested) so far by fairly minor means
which include the diesel additive.
        The stuff comes from Stanadyne and is called Performance Formula.
Not only does it increase lubricity (to compensate for the poor low sulpher
fuel) but it ads to the cetane rating of the fuel. On my tests it gave me
8hp and I could feel it seat-o-the-pants off the dyno.
        I have a few other diesel facts learned from the dyno and elsewhere
to share that should be fairly generic if there are enough diesel lovers
out there.
Let me know.
        BTW, Performance Formula can be found at any authorized Stanadyne
outlet and at some other place, though I  have never noticed it before. I
sure notice it now!

        Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:50:54 -0500
From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Subject: RE: Safari Gard Lifts?

Kevin Murphy writes (about lift kit):
>Eric Riston at Atlantic British installed the Stage 2 on his Range Rover.
>He loves them.  I am sure you can give him a call and ask him about it. His
>extension is 231 when you call.

Better yet, wait a day. I set Eric up for email yesterday and as I know
he'll be reading the list tonight, I challenge him to stop lurking and
respond with his feelings on the kit...

Having climbed in and out of Eric's Rangie, my opinion is that it might
improve the clearance, but it isn't something you would want your 5'4"
pregnant, short-skirted wife doing while there was a bunch of guys gawking
at her...damn thing needs a boarding ladder

RoverOn!

j *5'6"* ab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                  jeff@purpleshark.com
                   ==================
	Bimbo-limbo is where I've been...
	I'm looking for a smart woman in a real short skirt
	A smart woman who knows how to flirt
			--Jimmy Buffett, Smart Woman

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:51:54 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: Seat Belts

Is it possible to mount normal shoulder harness seat belts on a 1961 88"
Series II SOFTTOP.  Is the only solution to get a internal rollbar for
mounting?  Are there any available such as Safety Devices in the US.

Thanks as Always,
Steve F. (he who asks obscure questions)   

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Help with Series III
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:41:26 -0800

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:28:03 +0000
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Re: Help with Series III

....
>     2. What is the easiest way of removing the tank drain plug? Is
there 
>     any danger of damaging the tank trying to remove it?

I still own the Series III-88 I bought new in 1973, which means I still
have the complete tool kit that came with the vehicle.  However, most
Series Land Rovers have changed hands several times since they were new
which means it's likely that the original tool kit is lost or missing
tools.  But in the original kit there is a large open-ended wrench with
a box on one end only.  The other end is simply a wide, flat, handle
with a slightly rounded end.  The end of the handle fits the slots in
the differential drains and the fuel tank drain perfectly.   You then
take an adjustable crescent wrench and grab hold of the handle just
above the end that's in the drain plug.  This gives you the leverage you
need to get the drain plug started.  If this tool is missing from your
Land Rover, you'll need to find something similar, as using anything
much smaller than the length and width of the slot in the drain plug may
cause damage to the slot unless the plug is not on very tight.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure when going down hills
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:48:41 -0800

From: Craig Murray <craigm@bcn.com.au>
Subject: Oil Pressure when going down hills
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:11:07 +1000

>Hi all,
	I have a 2.25 diesel, and I was wondering if anyone out there
had figured a way to stop a 2.25 from loosing oil presure when going
down, reasonable steep hills, I am paranoid that one day I am going to
come across a long enough steep hill to sieze my motor, one of my
friends has already siezed his 2.25 petrol.  Any wisdom on this would be
greatly appreciated.

I have owned a 1973 Series III-88 (petrol) since new.  The only time
I've ever had an oil pressure drop going downhill or coming to a stop
was when I let the oil level drop below the "low" mark on the dipstick.
If the oil level is above the low mark, there should not be any change
in oil pressure regardless of whether you're going up or down a hill or
on level ground.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:11:58 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Calling all Macintosh drivers (no LR content)

Is there anyone here with a browser/internetconnection from a Mac
platform - I am in need of having some html layouts browsed for platform
compatibility.

If there are any graphics gurus out there who know the rules as to
writing html and building sites to achieve compatability with the
greatest possible number of platforms and browsers - then all words of
wis. welcome

(I know - no graphics, no java, no sounds, text only, A-Z 0-9 only, 8+3
filesnames only, black on white, no ANSI - but is it really that bad?)

Adrian Redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
---------------------------------------------------
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
---------------------------------------------------
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:45:05 -0500
From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com>
Subject: Billing '98

Is anyone here in the States thinking about going to Billing '98.  How
about taking your LR along for the ride?  Investigating the possibilities.  

Just curious.

Chris

Christopher A. Glaves                                  KF4UYO

'97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263
'78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
'98 Yamaha WaveRunner GP760
Come see it all at --> http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/
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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Diesel Fuel Additives
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:38:00 +1100

Jim Allen wrote:-
snip
      " I have a few other diesel facts learned from the dyno and
elsewhere
to share that should be fairly generic if there are enough diesel lovers
out there.
Let me know."
snip

OK, I'm interested (read very quietly.. and ducking for cover) for my
'non Rover' turbo diesel
Thanks.
Richard
1973 S3 SWB with Holden 202
1991 'non Rover'  turbo diesel 4x4 (daily driver)
1984 2wd Jap rust bucket (work hack)
New Zealand.
ps. picked up a comment about 'foam' and wire gauze in float chambers
'to prevent fuel slosh and flooding at angles' Can you tell me more
about this as this is a problem for me with the 202 motor.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:56:31 -0500

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:23:02 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

>Seattle seems to have had a collective loss of reality generated by the
Microsoft Millionaires.  I saw a nice, but not spectacular, pre 68 109
pickup without winch or overdrive or anything else in the way of
expensive
add ons, that the owner reputedly paid more than $20,000 for.  It is
also
in the neighborhood of the infamous Mr. Kellogg, the ultimate flake.  If
he
can stay in business there is something wrong with the customers.

I'm curious who you are referring to when you mention the "infamous Mr.
Kellogg."  Is he connected with Land Rovers in some way in the Seattle
area?

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: bmc@syspac.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:46:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Scale

> Benjamin G. Newman,MD <medone@iag.net wrote:
> >The local Land Rover dealer in Orlando would like to have on display
> in
> >his showroom my 1967 109 NADA SW for approx. 6 weeks in celebration
> of
> LR's 50th anniversity. What should my charge be for this???

Ben,

How bad do they want your truck there?  Ask them what they would offer
you for the use of your truck.  Perhaps the use of one of their demos in
trade for 6 weeks period with your guarantee of "no off road" use.

I have received $250.00 per day for still catalogue photography and
$500.00 for someone to drive my MGA (plus lunch in both cases.)  I think
that everything is negotiable.  I had a freind here recieve $200 per day
for one Texaco ad with his Land Rover and they only started off at $50.

Good luck

Jon Nyhus

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: Re: Help with Series III
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:14:00 +1100

 -
....
>     2. What is the easiest way of removing the tank drain plug? Is
there
>     any danger of damaging the tank trying to remove it?

I made up my own tool for this. I used a piece of angle iron, 25x25 x5mm
(1"x1"x3/16") by about 250mm (10") long. I cut a slot in it about
30mm(11/4") long about 30mm from one end. The 'lump' on the end was a
perfect fit in the slot of the plug, and the cut out cleared the rim.
Works real good on the diff drain plugs too.
below is an attempt at a 'picture'.
   ____________________              ______
  |                                              |______|             |
  |________________________________|

Hope that's nice and clear.
Richard.
1973 S3 SWB with Holden 202
New Zealand

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:08:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Caloccia <wpc@caloccia.net>
Subject: billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)

Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:45  "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com> writes:

>Is anyone here in the States thinking about going to Billing '98.  How
>about taking your LR along for the ride?  Investigating the possibilities.

>Just curious.
>Chris

(No offence Kevin, but I gotta call this one from  my experience.)

Personally, I think you'd just be INSANE to ship a motor across the pond
for Billing, or to
anchor a vaction around it.

Billing is NOT a driving event.

Billing IS  a over-commercialized parking lot, whose main focus is to have
the major
advertisers in Land Rover Owner SELL their goods to you, the sickly Land Rover
anorak.  (The only real reason to show up there is to buy shit from vendors.)

The off-road course is tiny, relatively pedestrian, and if you dig that
sort of thing
only 'thrilling' if you like blind hill crests and very short steep drops.
One forty foot mud hole
that they usually have to pump water into for the occasion, usually so full
of silt it will
'cause your motor to overheat if you don't tend to blasting the mud out of
it after leaving
the course.

On the other hand, if you join a UK land rover club (AND YOU MUST DO SO IN
ADVANCE),
you may then go to the ARC (inter)National Rallye, held at Eastnor.  With
driving
insurance, you'd be able to enter your vehicle in the RTV, with safety
mods, the CCV,
and get to have a great time socializing  and camping with other club
members, and
get a taste of what land rovering is in the uk, instead of simply going to
the largest
drive in Mall in the UK that is called Billing.

(Then again, if you can't go over for the ARC Nationals, and will be there
mid-July,
sure, plan to spend Saturday at Billing, and buy bits for the Rover - just
remember
your baggage limit, or it won't be cost effective.)

Just my two pence.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net

     http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
                              R
   http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H OD         D
   +--|--|   o   | |       L  3   Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L N       |  2      because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"        H  1   Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA              '90 RR County

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:22:38 -0800
From: M Saghafi & C deGuzman <msandcdg@slip.net>
Subject: subscribe

subscribe lro

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:20:11 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel Fuel Additives

Holly carbs are notorious for fuel sloshing when used offroad and a kit
has been developed to reduce this which consists of a piece of foam that
sits in the float bowl. It is available from Holly through their
dealers.
    John and Muddy

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:24:44 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel Fuel Additives

Jim, I run 4 diesel tractors and would be interested in any diesel info
you may have gathered.I am also contemplating a Perkins conversion into
an 88 or 109, the rationale.... I have the Perkins and the Land Rovers.
    John and Muddy

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:54:45 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Adventures

William L. Leacock wrote:

> I forgot to preface this story with the information that I was driving
> a ten year old 109 POWERED by a 2.25 litre diesel engine.  I had
> actually
> touched circa 70 mph in nuetral down  Buckhaw Brow, a steep descent.
> but
> about 35 up the other side.

Where did the discussion go from there?

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:30:26 -0500
From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com>
Subject: Re: billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)

At 10:09 PM 2/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Personally, I think you'd just be INSANE to ship a motor across the pond
>for Billing, or to
>anchor a vaction around it.

DUH! but it's the adventure of the whole thing.  And if you've got the
chance, time and $$$, why the hell not :)

And it's not like you cant go somewhere else from there. You're right 2 or
3 days not really worth it but six months traveling, hmmmmm.

Was just asking a question.

Chris

Christopher A. Glaves                                  KF4UYO

'97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263
'78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
'98 Yamaha WaveRunner GP760
Come see it all at --> http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5274716

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Getting rid of HTML in posts to the list (No Rover--but please
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:33:54 -0500

This is just a test to see what happens when I turn off HTML.  Ignore!

Drew.
Still looking 109.

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Subject: BFG M/T Supply
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 22:39:40 -0000
From: rogers <rogers@batnet.com>

If anyone is having trouble locating BFG M/T's, try Sears. Michelin 
referred me to Sears as they are one of BFG's largest clients. I was able 
to get 5 tires easily.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:48:44 EST
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Gauze under carb

I've never heard of this one, but the theory makes sense. But, I don't think
that I'll be trying it.

However, if you have a half-way decent coat of paint on your truck, then a
good coat of wax can improve mileage also.

I learned this one, when I worked at the Compton Airport, when I was in junior
high school: I washed planes, and a few "eccentric" Cessna 152 owners spent
way too much (I shought anyway) on wax for their planes. Turns out, after
applying it properly, they got a better cruising speed!

Charles

P.S. Granted, since Land Rovers are nowhere near being aerodynamic, the
improvement may not be noticed, unless you're taking it on a long trip.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:09:26 +0000
Subject: Re: billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)

Well, we're going for the weekend - making a camping trip of it. Okay, we
could take the two Landies camping anywhere for a long weekend, but this
time its Billing. Demonstrate how mad we are to a group from Uni (mainly
geologists - so they/we're mad too!).

Last year I went for a day, and it seemed fine.

Some of us don't rally, or do much offroading - a simple non-damaging
course will do me fine.

I know what you're getting at, and it would appear to be tending that way.
I know EMLRA are seriously considering not entering an exhibit because of
extortionate insurance they've been asked to pay. As soon as you lose the
specialist clubs like that, it is just a "camp-in shopping mall".

For the madness-of-land-rovers, Sodbury is good too.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

wpc@caloccia.net on 02/24/98 03:08:45 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  billing vs ARC national rally (Re: Billing '98)

Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:45  "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com> writes:
>Is anyone here in the States thinking about going to Billing '98.  How
>about taking your LR along for the ride?  Investigating the possibilities.
>Just curious.
>Chris
(No offence Kevin, but I gotta call this one from  my experience.)
Personally, I think you'd just be INSANE to ship a motor across the pond
for Billing, or to
anchor a vaction around it.
Billing is NOT a driving event.
Billing IS  a over-commercialized parking lot, whose main focus is to have
the major
advertisers in Land Rover Owner SELL their goods to you, the sickly Land
Rover
anorak.  (The only real reason to show up there is to buy shit from
vendors.)
The off-road course is tiny, relatively pedestrian, and if you dig that
sort of thing
only 'thrilling' if you like blind hill crests and very short steep drops.
One forty foot mud hole
that they usually have to pump water into for the occasion, usually so full
of silt it will
'cause your motor to overheat if you don't tend to blasting the mud out of
it after leaving
the course.
On the other hand, if you join a UK land rover club (AND YOU MUST DO SO IN
ADVANCE),
you may then go to the ARC (inter)National Rallye, held at Eastnor.  With
driving
insurance, you'd be able to enter your vehicle in the RTV, with safety
mods, the CCV,
and get to have a great time socializing  and camping with other club
members, and
get a taste of what land rovering is in the uk, instead of simply going to
the largest
drive in Mall in the UK that is called Billing.
(Then again, if you can't go over for the ARC Nationals, and will be there
mid-July,
sure, plan to spend Saturday at Billing, and buy bits for the Rover - just
remember
your baggage limit, or it won't be cost effective.)
Just my two pence.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia            wpc@Caloccia.Net
     http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
                              R
   http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H OD         D
   +--|--|   o   | |       L  3   Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L N       |  2      because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"        H  1   Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA              '90 RR County

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