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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:21:38 +0000
From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: LRO or LRW

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> Wales (where's that? ;-) )....

Wales is the little blob on the left of the bigger blob that hangs off the
bottom of Scotland.

(yes, I've got the most ENORMOUS    .....      wooden spoon)

-- 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 
    Phone: +44 131 650 3027

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:33:54 EST
Subject: Re: where's wales?

In a message dated 2/20/98 7:28:15 AM, you wrote:

>SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
>> ... a plastic ID that lets me go to some off-road centers in
>> Wales (where's that? ;-) )....
>Wales is the little blob on the left of the bigger blob that hangs off the
>bottom of Scotland.

Exactly. That's my point...

--pat.

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:43:48 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Trusty SIII 88" Canvas Top for sale

john cranfield wrote:
> > BTW, what the 'ell does SWMBO mean?
> > Regards,  Con.......
> SWMBO = Rose    :-)

Ohhh,  I get it now. And I always thought Rose = Warden 

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:13:21 -0500
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: What would this do?

Hello all;
What effect would putting a large ball bearing (1/2' dia.) in each brake
slave cylinder have?

Would reduced area in the slave cylinders, effectivly increase the size
of the master cylinder?

Would this provide more throw at the slave cylinder pistons per push on
the brake pedal?

Would I void my warranty?

Would I hear the ball bearings rattleing around in the slave cylinders?

It always seems someone is reporting low pedal and is in need of messing
around with thoes pesky snail cams.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
1963 IIA 5 door 2.25D
1971 IIA 3 door 2.25P

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:29:49 +0000
Subject: Re: What would this do?

>What effect would putting a large ball bearing (1/2' dia.) in each brake
>slave cylinder have?
How would this reduce the area of the piston?
I can't see it would, so I can't see it working.

>Would reduced area in the slave cylinders, effectivly increase the size
>of the master cylinder?
Don't you mean volume?
The ball bearing would merely limit the travel of the slave piston. You
would have to shift the same volume of fluid during breaking - until the
bearing was reached.

>Would this provide more throw at the slave cylinder pistons per push on
>the brake pedal?
No. It would make no difference, except possible limiting the maximum
possible
travel (like having a stop in the way)

>Would I void my warranty?
On a IIA????
I thought Rover had embarassingly low warranties - but 35 years, ain't bad
going!

>Keith R. Mohlenhoff
>1963 IIA 5 door 2.25D
>1971 IIA 3 door 2.25P

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Ben Nibali <BNibali@dmtn.com>
Subject: RE: What would this do?
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:40:00 -0500

Keith Mohlenhoff wrote:

>Hello all;
>What effect would putting a large ball bearing (1/2' dia.) in each brake
>slave cylinder have?

Almost none.

>Would reduced area in the slave cylinders, effectivly increase the size
>of the master cylinder?

You wouldn't be reducing area, you would be reducing volume.  Since this
volume was previously taken up by a noncompressible fluid, replacing it
with an equally noncompressible steel ball would have no effect.

>Would this provide more throw at the slave cylinder pistons per push on
>the brake pedal?

No way.

>Would I void my warranty?

I think so, but you could call Rover and ask them.

>Would I hear the ball bearings rattleing around in the slave cylinders?

No chance.

>It always seems someone is reporting low pedal and is in need of messing
>around with thoes pesky snail cams.

>Keith R. Mohlenhoff
>1963 IIA 5 door 2.25D
>1971 IIA 3 door 2.25P

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:40:48 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: What would this do?

Keith Mohlenhoff wrote:
> Hello all;
> What effect would putting a large ball bearing (1/2' dia.) in each brake
> slave cylinder have?
> Would reduced area in the slave cylinders, effectivly increase the size
> of the master cylinder?
> Would this provide more throw at the slave cylinder pistons per push on

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> It always seems someone is reporting low pedal and is in need of messing
> around with thoes pesky snail cams.
 Putting a ball bearing in the slave cylinder would have no effect on
the volume of fluid needed to move the shoes but might well prevent the 
pistons from retracting far enough to allow the drum to be put back on.
I would also imagine that a steel ball rolling around in an alloy
cylinder would cause some strange wear to take place. In cases where the 
cams don't push the shoes out far enough I have put a sleeve on the peg
on the shoe to increase it's size. This quite effective, safe and cheap.
    John and Muddy

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:48:28 EST
Subject: Re:  What would this do?

In a message dated 2/20/98 8:16:58 AM, Keith wrote:

>What effect would putting a large ball bearing (1/2' dia.) in each brake
>slave cylinder have?

You would then have a ball bearing in each slave cylinder...

>Would reduced area in the slave cylinders, effectivly increase the size
>of the master cylinder?

That's the "standing-infront-of-the-mirror" effect; your master cylinder is
still the same size, it is just those pesky ball bearings that make you think
that your cylinder has has effectively doubled in size...

The slave would want to have more travel, to compensate, and would *feel*
stiffer, but not have the mechanical advantage, I think.

>Would this provide more throw at the slave cylinder pistons per push on
>the brake pedal?

What you are doing is like those people who think using thinner brake lines
caused higher brake pressures...

The slave pistons would *want* to move more but would'nt be able to. Their
increased travel will be a decrease in the force they apply. Remember that
your foot moves a lot with a little force applied, and the slave moves
comparatively little with a lot of force applied, so if you start increasing
the amount of travel you give the slave, you are reducing the force it applies
on the pads. What you have to do is lengthen your pedal, I think, to gain more
mechanical advantage, in this case through leverage, while the hydraulics
remain the same. Ball bearings (?) would just decrease the volume of fluid in
the system.

>Would I void my warranty?

Which one? the 3 year bumper to bumper on that 68 IIa 109 ;-)  If there's too
much room between the shoes and the drums, one could always pour some little
ball bearings into the drum itself to take up that room...

Putting ball bearings in the slave cylinders doesn't increase the mechanical
advantage of the master over slave cylinders. Increasing the diameter of the
master cylinder (like people with 914(17mm master cyl) do with 911 (19mm
master cyl) brake "upgrades") *decreases* the advantage, which results in a
stiffer pedal, which is why people think their brakes are better, but they
have to lengthen their pedal to make up the lost advantage, which then gives
them a softer pedal again.

Low pedal can be caused by a whole bunch of things like the cylinder's piston
(or the pedal) not returning 100% to the at rest position which doesn't allow
it to replenish with fluid from the reservoir, or old (time-wise) rubber flex-
lines, or worn & misadjusted shoes, etc...

pat
93 "just got the brakes done" 110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:55:53 EST
Subject: What would *this* do?

People are complaining about low compression in their engines...
Solution: Drop bb's down carb throat to take up space in cylinder.

People are complainig about worn shocks giving bouncy ride...
Solution: Take out oil, replace with sand.

Leaf springs giving you problems?
Solution: Use an I-beam.

Exhaust fumes coming into cabin?
Solution: Use a potato on the back.

ok, enough fooling around here, I've got to get to the beach before it rains
this afternoon! Everyone enjoy their rovers this weekend...

pat.

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:29:02 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: u-joints

Peter: Thanks for the info, I think......
>         I'm a bit confused. The three joints you mention, Quinto-Hazel
> QL403,  Unipart GUJ116, and the GMB9 220-1100, they all fit the 1964 Land
> Rover, with the 2 15/16" measurements? What do you mean about "easiest
> fit ALL TR4 tru TR6 etc? Are you saying the TR's have the same U-joints
> as a Land Rover? Thanks in advance!
> Regards,  Con......

Con,
        Yeah, those are part numbers for that small joint. Different
manufacturers or vendors.... same part. I can probably give 10 more
different numbers for the same part. Many different companies
catalog/sell the identical part from the same manufacturer or
manufacture them themselves. Regardless, the joint you (and I) need is
that shown above and it ALSO fits _all_ Triumph TR4 and TR6 (that should
be the easiest application for know-nothing parts guys). It also fits
all Austin-Healey 6-cylinder 100-6 and 3000 plus a butt-load of Jaguars,
but not all. (Also fits some Massey-Ferguson PTO stuff but I don't know
which, just used to sell them to them by the gross).
        Con, I think your in Canada, eh? Here are some more numbers:
Chicago-Rawhide (C/R) UJ344: NAPA 344: NAPA/Spicer 5-4X : Precision 344
TRW 20023.       This should be all you need to know. If your local guys
can't do it, then move.
Cheers,  Peter     60 109 + 64 88 + 70 88 + 73 88
--

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:29:32 -0500
From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: ...a comment by SWMBO

Pat asks for a tutorial on drinking coffee in a Series rig. Before going
into the details, I should say that Jeff Meyer is much more qualified than
I to answer this question. When traveling with Jeff, you stop every hour to
fill your coffee mug. In fact, Jeff is well known to most of the counter
girls at Tim Horton's establishments all over Ontario.

But I digress. There are three basic steps to successfully (and safely!)
consuming molten beverages in a Series ride. First, choose your mug wisely.
I like the really big Thermos travel mugs--especially those that used to be
sold by Holiday gas stations in large (up to 52 oz.!) sizes. Save the B-52
for bloody marys though and use something in the 20 oz. range. The Aladdin
mugs are okay too--those are available at Duncan DOnuts. Just avoid the
"modern" styles which are built to accomodate WIMPY INADEQUATE
cupholders--they don't hold enough coffee. Once you've chosen your mug,
make sure the lid fits tight and NEVER trust the girl at Duncan Donuts to
have placed the lid on correctly.

Now to secure the cup. Zippy uses a roll of duct tape. This would work
pretty well for most of us. It's messy if you drive like Eric though. I
believe Meyer has a gimbled holder mounted to his dashboard. These work
well but limit your mug size. I used to have an adjustable plastic
cupholder that I got at Boats US mounted into my tranny tunnel--the RivNut
is still there. I'd break one a year...swing into Boats US...and have the
new one in place in about 15 seconds. This worked great until I installed
the Tuffy Box--it's overhang interferes with the cup holder. I haven't
found a replacement yet and have resorted to wedging the mug between the
rear of the Tuffy, the passenger seatback and the bulkhead. Most of the
time it works, sometimes it tips and dumps coffee over the stuff (winching
gloves, oil rag, flares, bottle jack, etc.) crammed into that nook. Oh well.

Which brings up the point that spills happen. You can cut down on the
incident rate through skillfull sipping, but the reality is that sometimes
coffee is gonna flow. Hell, sometimes you have to throw the mug on the
floor to free up your hands for an emergency manuver. No problemo--just
drive the car through a conventient pond (as Jeff, Zippy and I were forced
to do in Picton, Ontario after multiple beverage mishaps) or take a hose to
the beast. As for yourself, (and as I tell my first dates...) WEAR OLD
CLOTHES. You're driving/riding in a Series Rover for God's sake...it throws
oil all over the place and odds are you're going to have to get out and
twiddle with something messy before the trip is over.

The only excuse I see for a Range Rover would be if it came with an onboard
automatic beangrinder/coffee maker. Be nice if it did cappachino too...

SipOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg    Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                   jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ----------------
	Look what happens when you love someone,
	and they don't love you.
                             --Warren Zevon, The Heartache

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:47:14 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: ...a comment by SWMBO

[Jeff details how to have coffee in a leafer while minimizing the spillage. 
Along the way, he confesses to Tuffy Box Ownership].

Jeff, if you were truly committed to not spilling coffee, you'd work out a way
to use the Tuffy cupholder *and* have an overdrive.  Me, I keep lookin' at that
LT77 in the 110, and thinking it would go well in the IIA, and a ZF4 would be
nice in the 110.  Kind of expensive solution for just drinking coffee though.

C

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:34:42 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: More photos of Tigger and a comment by SWMBO

At 05:38 PM 2/19/98 -0800, Dale Avery wrote:
>Just a note in my defense...  ALL I wanted was to ride in a rig that I
>could drink a cup of coffee in without spilling it all over myself. 
>Dale said,"Oh, what would you think about a Range Rover?"  Place the
>blame where it belongs, but I will still keep him.

Wait a minute here Dale. Let's put the thinking cap on fella!! I believe it
is really you who wants the RR. To solve wifey-pooh's concerns just position
her over very thick cushioning with enhanced shock absorbing
characteristics. Or perhaps better yet, give her an enclosed container with
a suction device (straw). You are a LR owner, surely you are more creative
than to just succomb to going the RR route. Besides, RRs will have similar
problems: the suspension is not cadillac tuned. The coffee will still end up
on her and now on LEATHER and FLOOR MATS- not as easily cleaned and cared
for as in Tigger's case.

Clayton "he who spills coffee from the Disco's driver seat into the side map
pocket often. (Good thing there are drain holes there) Kirkwood

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:59:04 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: U-Joint numbers

Con Seitl
>Does anybody have the crossover #'s for the U-joints, 2 15/16" found on 
>the Series IIa? I understand Crappy Tire carry the joints, but talking to 
>the guys there is a litle frustrating....

If this is the "late type" try:

	Spicer Dana 153X
	Neapco 28153x
	AEC AE-521HD
	Borg Warner 114-513

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Rob Horstman <robh@molienergy.bc.ca>
Subject: U-Joint numbers - Question ??
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:11:54 -0800

Sorry to "butt" in on this topic, but I have been missing my messages to
the list for a couple of days. I'm wondering if these U-Joint #'s that
are being thrown around are for "any" year series landrover...

Like I mentioned, I missed the original messages and If this has already
been discussed, I apologize !

I would like to go out and purchase spares for my 1968 Series IIA. If
these are the joint's I need, then great, if not, anybody know of the
top of their head what replacement part #'s would fit, and what position
they fit into ?

I guess that leads me to my next question, Are the U-Joint's on the
driveshaft's the same ? Are they the same as the front Drive Shaft ?

Hope this isn't too stupid of a question... As I'm really just trying to
get a better understanding of my Rover.

Thanks in advance...

Rob..

PS - I've already ordered the shop manuals and parts manuals... They
should be here any day !

________________________________________________________________

Rob Horstman, Systems Administrator
Email : robh@molienergy.bc.ca
Moli Energy (1990) Ltd.
20000 Stewart Crescent,                  Direct Line - (604) 466-6681 
Maple Ridge, BC, Canada                Main #       - (604) 466-6654
V2X  9E7
              Visit us on the WEB  @  www.molienergy.bc.ca
________________________________________________________________

> ----------
> From: 	A. P. "Sandy" Grice[SMTP:rover@pinn.net]
> Reply To: 	lro@playground.sun.com
> Sent: 	 February 20, 1998 8:59 AM
> To: 	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: 	U-Joint numbers
> Con Seitl
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 34 lines)]
>   ** 'lro' mailing list information from
> 'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:26:13 -0600
Subject: Hey gang!

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 02-20-98 12:26 PM

cc:
Subject:  Hey gang!

I'm still alive here in Wisconson. Spring's on the way so maybe I'll
actually get my Lightweight back on the road soon.
Figured it was time to join the real people again.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
5-6194, Fax:2-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:54:12 EST
Subject: Re:  Hey gang!

In a message dated 2/20/98 1:28:37 PM, you wrote:

>Subject:  Hey gang!

>I'm still alive here in Wisconson. Spring's on the way so maybe I'll
>actually get my Lightweight back on the road soon.
>Figured it was time to join the real people again.

>Tom Rowe
>UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research

And we thought we lost you to too much "Dairy Research"... :-)

Welcome back.

ps: from what I heard from my iceboating gonzo friends, they claim it was
spring all winter in Pewaukee/Oconomowoc... (maybe El Niņo will bless the
summer meets with tons of rain & mud.)

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:57:34 EST
Subject: Re: U-Joint numbers - Question ??

In a message dated 2/20/98 1:15:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robh@molienergy.bc.ca writes:

<< I guess that leads me to my next question, Are the U-Joint's on the
 driveshaft's the same ? Are they the same as the front Drive Shaft ? >>

You've probably seen the part number posts.  Yes, in theory front and rear
take the same U joint (assuming an old style propshaft hasn't been swapped in)
Your 68 should have the new style (ie available and cheaper) U joints.  Make
sure the ones you purchase have grease nipple fittings.

Nate

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:05:58 -0600
Subject: R: Hey Gang!

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 02-20-98 01:05 PM

cc:
Subject:  R: Hey Gang!

>And we thought we lost you to too much "Dairy Research"... :-)

No. Too much hops research. ;-)
Actually to much computer stuff. I only *eat* cheese. I don't research it.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
5-6194, Fax:2-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:19:05 -0600
From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Subject: Re:  Hey gang!

>>>>> "SPYDERS" == SPYDERS  <SPYDERS@aol.com> writes:
    SPYDERS> ps: from what I heard from my iceboating gonzo
    SPYDERS> friends, they claim it was spring all winter in
    SPYDERS> Pewaukee/Oconomowoc... (maybe El Niņo will
    SPYDERS> bless the summer meets with tons of rain & mud.)

I can vouch for that.  Milwaukee has gotten perhaps 4
snowfalls all winter.  In fact, I'm half planning to drive my
TR-4 to a swap meet this weekend...
							-MM

(And we don't need El Niņo to have sloppy springs here,
 it just helps a little)

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:18:53 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: yet another LR list...

Hi Folks,

If you think you would like to participate in "yet another LR list"  for
topics that may not be appropriate on the main lists because of lack of
technical Rover content or differing perspectives in humor (aka NOT PC),
please contact me for more information.

Please understand that this new list is not intended to compete with the
main lists but to supplement them and I'd like
to take this opportunity to extend a hearthy "THANK YOU!" to Bill Caloccia
for starting a wonderful thing.

John

jhong@best.com

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:16:03 -0500
Subject: Re: U-Joint numbers - Question ??

For a '68 Rover, the U-joint you need is that used by all 70s Chevrolet
Rear-Wheel-Drive cars and trucks. The number is NAPA or Precision 369.

Make sure you get ones with grease nipples - don't buy into the "greased
for life" argument for a 4WD vehicle.

Yes, they are the same for both fromt and rear propshafts also....if you do
them do them both on each shaft.

               ajr

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:33:04 -0500
From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Tuffy cupholder

Chris Dow makes the accusation:
>Jeff, if you were truly committed to not spilling coffee, you'd work out a way
>to use the Tuffy cupholder *and* have an overdrive.

I played with a bunch of possibilities for mounting that cupholder (comes
w/ Tuffy Box) but gave up for the simple reason that it requires the use of
WIMPY (small) mugs and therefor doesn't solve my problem.

Back to the drawing board...

RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:59:46 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: Tuffy cupholder

Jeff Berg wrote:
> Chris Dow makes the accusation:
> >Jeff, if you were truly committed to not spilling coffee, you'd work out a 
way
> >to use the Tuffy cupholder *and* have an overdrive.
> I played with a bunch of possibilities for mounting that cupholder (comes
> w/ Tuffy Box) but gave up for the simple reason that it requires the use of
> WIMPY (small) mugs and therefor doesn't solve my problem.
> Back to the drawing board...
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>  Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
>                     jeff@purpleshark.com

I think an insulated water-heater on the roof with a straw (or 2) would
work. Maybe even a 12V plug-in model! No straw....intravenous! yeah...
that's the ticket.    (now....where to run the catheter tube...hmmm)
Cheers    Peter
--

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From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com>
Subject: Moving jobs!!! Back soon!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:07:36 -0500

unsubscribe lro

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: Tuffy cupholder
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:17:31 -0500

What everyone needs is a Camel Back.  It's an insulated liquid holder that
you put on your back, like a small back pack.  It holds up to a gallon of
liquid and keeps it cold or hot.  The pouch is soft, flexible and light.  It
has a straw that comes around to the front with a spill proof nipple for
drinking.  You can have "hands free" drinking with no spills -- as long as
you don't lean back too hard in the seat -- in that case, put it on
backwards so it is strapped to your chest!  

Kevin

> Jeff Berg wrote:
> > Chris Dow makes the accusation:
> > >Jeff, if you were truly committed to not spilling coffee, you'd work
> out a way
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 17 lines)]
> > ==
> >  Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Cheers    Peter
> --

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:15:32 EST
Subject: Washington area off-roading (2ND TRY)

I have one interested taker for an off-road trip to second mountain road near
Harrisonburg , VA on Saturday FEB 28TH. 
if anyone else is interested please email me or call me @ (410) 515-7908
will post directions next week.

RGDS, Rick

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Keep Trigger

>I am selling Tigger, my 1973 SIII 88" Canvas Top.  SWMBO refuses to go
>camping and off-roading with me in it.  But she did give me permission
>to purchase a Range Rover as a replacement.

Well, you could always just leave her home...  (Yes, dear, I'm calling on
the satellite phone.  No, that ka-ching sound isn't slot machines, it's
static.  Honest.)

>Hold it right there....do yourself a favor.  Get a new woman.  One
>that likes the smell of 90 weight.  This one's no good.  She'll nag

Well, I've got a sister with a '73 sIII 88".  She's single.  8^)  (Now, you
take my sister... Please! 8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pump/ Filter/ Pressure Questions

>Well, several years ago, after installing a fresh PH8A with the then new
>anti drain back seal to what turned out to be an up side down spin on oil
>filter adapter, my 88 managed to go 12 miles with no oil circulating before
>the engine seized up. That was fun.
 
Mine went about 40 miles after I did the same...  But it was a hell of a
nice engine.  8^(  

Me thinks these things should be better marked....

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re:  disposing of gas (I meant *petrol*, ok.)

>>will have is disposing the gas...many an environmentalist takes a harsh view

>Drain it into a suitable container, label it "GAS" and *forget* it outside
>your garage.
>When you wake up the next day and look outside, it has been "disposed" of.

 
Someone once posted to Alt.Revenge that he had had his laundry detergent
stolen from the laundramat.  He said he wasn't too worried, though; now he
knew how to get rid of his used motor oil.  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: LRO searching the archives

>Is there a location on the web where I can search through the archives of
the maiing lists for key words or
>phrases?

<http://altavista.digital.com/>

Put in: +"lro@land-rover.team.net" +keyword keyword keyword -notthis

+ in front of a term means "only list web pages that have this term".  -
means "don't list a page that has this word".  no + or - means "better if
it's got this term, but not required".  If a term is two words, put it in
quotes: "home office" wouldn't match with "every day I leave the office to
go home" but would match "I stumble across the room to my home office."

Of course, this assumes the archives are dumped to a web page.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Keep Trigger

>So ...Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls...The truth begins to unfold. It
[...]
>ignominious end. Dear jurists... what is your verdict

I think a call to RPS (Rover Protective Services) is in order...  Tigger
must be rescued and placed in a caring, nurturing home...  I'll step
forward and volunteer to take on this massive responsibility.

As for the culprit Dale and his accomplice Swmbo...  Lock 'em in a Yugo for
a month!  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Tigger resolved!

>Now a word or two from SWMBO, my darling wife:
>Just a note in my defense...  ALL I wanted was to ride in a rig that I
>could drink a cup of coffee in without spilling it all over myself. 
>Dale said,"Oh, what would you think about a Range Rover?"  Place the
>blame where it belongs, but I will still keep him.

 
Aw, see...  It was just a misunderstanding!  Dale, you don't need to buy a
range rover, just a covered travel mug!  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:15:44 -0500
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hey gang!  /swap meet

Hi Tom:  Not sure which swap meet you are motoring the TR to, but can't be
that many in the Midwest this weekend. If you mean the one Sunday 2/22, at
the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton Illinois 8am to 3pm, look me up,
in fact, there will be a lot of Rover Heads walking around looking for some
more worn out Lucas parts to hang on their L-R.

Check out the British Car Union Web page <www.qth.com/bcu> and come down
Sept 13, for the biggest all British car show in the USA  (Registration in
1997 was 880 British only vehicles).

See you Sunday 

Bill Kowalski
'67 L-R 109" IIA
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:57:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Hey gang! /swap meet

wrote:
>Hi Tom:  Not sure which swap meet you are motoring the TR to, but can't be
>that many in the Midwest this weekend. If you mean the one Sunday 2/22, at
>the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton Illinois 8am to 3pm, look me up,
snip

I think you got your wires crossed. I didn't mention going to a swap meet.
Must have been someone else. At least I don't *think* I did. It's been a
long week so who knows.
Actually, the Antichrist isn't motoring anywhere for a bit. I never
finished my engine swap last year. :-(  Luckily we didn't have enough snow
this winter to count, so I wasn't *too8 frustrated.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
5-6194, Fax:2-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:18:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Caterpillar engines

>There have been several good Cat engines
>From talking to truckers etc, it would seem that ALL Cat engines are "good"
to say the least.

 By spring of 99 there could be engines commercially
>available in the 4 cylinder 115-140 bhp range, specifically designed as
>automotive engines
The thought of a Cat engine in MY rover puts a big smile on my face.  Hmmmm
the mind wanders....

>I'm going to try to get one myself when they start test marketing them.
If they are looking for test subjects to use their engines and generally
just abuse them with use and lack of proper maint. give me a call ;)

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: SIII Windshield Replacement.
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:12:41 -0500

Does anyone know if the two piece windshield in an SIII can be replaced with a 
one piece windshield from a defender??? I think the defender type is a gasket 
type. Does the SIII have the lip for the gasket in the windshield frame?? 
Anyone done this??? Or Tried???

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:25:55 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: SIII Windshield Replacement.

Kevin Sellitti wrote:
> Does anyone know if the two piece windshield in an SIII can be replaced with 
a one piece windshield from a defender??? I think the defender type is a gasket 
type. Does the SIII have the lip for the gasket in the windshield frame?? 
Anyone done this??? Or Tried?

Can't be done without $$$$$$$$ . The top line of the D90 is higher than
a Series. You could If really determined change the roof too. Just ask
Zippy .
    John and Muddy

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From: Paul98580@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:45:55 EST
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

unsubscribe lro digest

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Keep Trigger... Keep Trigger...<chant>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:18:36 +1100

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

>Not having read 100% of this thread, I gather someone is being forced to
>trade a series lr for a RR? What sense does that make on any planet?
>Maybe we can help him by giving him a trial subscription to the CSO/RRO
list?

I just want to categorically state that I do not own a Range Rover. Bill
Caloccia can confirm this as he has drive with me in my LR.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:01 -0800
From: Dale Avery <davery@ior.com>
Subject: SWMBO speaks!

For the sake of Tigger, I tried the straw trick, trust me, paper ones
and coffee don't work!  So I made a trip into Starbucks, picked up a
Mocha and 20 straws...never let it be said that I didn't give the Land
Rover a fair chance.  Of course, I could simply try a cup with a lid,
but with Spokane's poor pot hole control, even that doesn't always
work.  FYI, I drove Tigger the summer Dale was away, enjoyed every
surprised envious look I received when I got out of it in my heels and
"Sunday go to meeting" dress!  You "guys" made my day.  Thanks and enjoy
every minute of your "rovin"!

Oh, now she tells me!  Here's the OM again.  Seeing that Tigger is
riding on 16" tyres,  what the guys were really looking at was my dainty
5'4" wifey-pooh trying to trying to act 'cultured' as she dropped out of
the driver's seat!  

BTW,  thanks for all your comments pro and con about selling Tigger. 
Laughter is indeed the best medicine!  And laughter I need.  I just got
a hearing aide stuck in my left ear. Driving in Tigger is a very noisy
experience!  Think I'd rather be deaf!  No, wait, SWMBO doesn't want me
deaf. Ah, what the heck I'd rather be!

Oh, she says my butt, and other parts, are not flat!  ;-)

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:24:02 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: U Joints...et al...

Many thanks to all for U-joint #'s. I will make a note of them and put 
them into the LR Bible. Made my order today for two of them, but I don't 
know if they come with grease nipples. I've put nipples into tie rod ends 
before, but I think getting them into a u-joint is another matter. For 
the fellow who was asking about the front half-shaft u-joints, remember 
to take out the rubber sealing ring when installing them, to allow for 
lubrication.  Next job is to make a bushing puller/driver, saw a great 
DIY in OVLR. ( Credits to Alan Richer.) Seems Pig has a bad spot on her, 
and the bushings got to come out to get it fixed :-(

Cheers everyone!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: SIII Windshield Replacement.
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:59:23 -0500

If the roofline is higher would I have to change the doors too??? I might not 
be that determined.

Can't be done without $$$$$$$$ . The top line of the D90 is higher than
a Series. You could If really determined change the roof too. Just ask
Zippy .
    John and Muddy

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From: "Clare and Lee Dunkelberg" <clarelee@freewwweb.com>
Subject: Re.:  More photos of Tigger and a comment by SWMBO
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:10:04 -0600
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>From Dale Avery's "Tigger" Page - perhaps an answer to SWMBO's drinking =
problem
"I replaced the original LR front seats with a couple out of some little =
import car. They don't look bad and are much more comfortable than the =
foam originals. They even have springs!"

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:12:42 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

The local Land Rover dealer in Orlando would like to have on display in
his showroom my 1967 109 NADA SW for approx. 6 weeks in celebration of
LR's 50th anniversity. What should my charge be for this???
Benjamin G. Newman

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: About the one piece windshield
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:46:49 -0800
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Subject: Your Land Rover on display
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From: Neil Sheridan <neilsheridan@nac.net>
Subject: Rear main seal
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:48:46 -0500

Who wrote this?  Really!  Come on, was it you, LT Jackson?

If this is a serious post, my recommendation is a big sheet of cardboard on the 
garage floor (to be renewed annually).  In addition, pray in your preferred 
form of homage-giving that you will continue to be so lucky.  Or, check to make 
sure that you have engine and gearbox oil.  Good Luck!

BTW, your mechanic either doesn't know British cars or should be arrested.

Neil Sheridan
65 88, The Sheridan Valdez
NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS:   neilsheridan@nac.net

>>From: "Christopher J. Clanton" <clantoc@cscoe.ac.com>
>>Subject: Rear main seal
>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:05 -0600

>>I've got a leak on my rear main seal (nothing too bad, about
>>a quarter size spot in the garage each day), and I'm wondering
>>if anyone has experience on fixing/living with this leak.

>>Talking with a mechanic yesterday, it sounds like the engine
>>has to be pulled to replace the gasket.  Is this true?  Seems
>>like you could get at it from the backend, transmission side.

>>How much have people paid mechanics to replace this seal?
>>Any insight from people that have done this themselves?
>>If I chose to live with the leak (very probable given current budget),
>>can I expect the leak to get progressively worse?

>>Thanks for any insight.

>>- Christopher Clanton
>>  clantoc@cscoe.ac.com
>>  Andersen Consulting
>>  Minneapolis, MN USA

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: LRO or LRW 
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:47:39 -0300

On Thu, 19 Feb 98, dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
 So for the seven or 8 bucks it costs 
>to get it here, I think its better spent on a Guinness and some chips.

D**n - just as I have been trying to justify continuing the subscription in the 
face 
of the increasing amount of space taken up by Freelander stuff, here comes some 
sensible comparative shopping. A subscription from here is around 12 US$ per 
issue. 
However, one issue had a tiny 10-line article stating that LR had admitted a 
fault in 
the lubrication system in the transfer case on the R380 gearbox in its early 
applications (that is the mainshaft spline wear discussion, and the question of 
LR 
bulletins, for those on the au list). LR had a fix, but it was only effective 
within 
12,000 miles from new. I followed this up immediately and was lucky enough to 
get the 
free splash disk and fitting stuff in time, but I wouldn't have known about it 
otherwise.  That one issue has obviously saved me a replacement transmission, 
as 
there is no dealer and hence no warranty programme here.

If only we could have a mag for the square ones alone.
Allan 

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:17:08 -1000
From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Subject: Re: USA Land Rover Magazine

Jim,  Let me know what happens.  Or count me in.  Can send resume.  Brief
bit of info - Military Photographer, BA Journalism, Covered Camel Tropht
Trials in 95, Desert Storm, Bosnia, Writing a manual on Photography in
Hostile Environments and currently writing a maintenance manual for the
Series IIA.  Working title is, How to Keep you and Your Land Rover Alive in
the Wild-A Manual of Operations for the Adventuring, Dreaming Owner.  Plus I
and a partner have 6 Rovers and my 62, ever faithful KIOTEE, is a daily driver.

But I think you just wanted a YES!!!!!!

Roy - Rovers in the Big Sky Country of Montana

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:26:37 -1000
From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Subject: Re: yet another LR list...

John, I would be interested.  Let me know.  Never have been PC and really
think all this PC and new age babbel talk is ruining the language.

Roy - Rovers in the Big Sky - 
      Where Rovers belong and words still mean what they say!

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Photography
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:40:12 -0800
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environments, drop me a line at wahooadv@earthlink.net
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Do you remember me?

David of "Bean Toad".

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: that importing thing
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:49:16 -0300

Hi all,
I must apologise for this one as I realise that the "importing to the US" has 
been 
beaten to death.
However, this past week I have been driving a couple of visiting US forestry 
people, 
from Puerto Rico, around in my 90. They commented that the thing was ideal for 
their 
work but asked "are they still making these? We don't see them in the US".   I 
told 
them about the 25 year thing that has been discussed at length on this list. 
Their 
response was that many people from the US go to Europe and bring a vehicle back 
with 
them. I didn't know what to say.

What have I missed? When I proselytise about LRs I would at least like to be 
right.
Allan 

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:03:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Re:  Oil Pump/ Filter/ Pressure Questions

Obi-wan,
   If you are unsure of oil pressure, Pull the plugs to reduce the stress on
the engine bearings (while cranking), remove the banjo fitting from the oil
feed pipe at the rear of the cylinder head, and crank the engine for 20
seconds or so with a fully charged battery. If oil doesn't pour from the
pipe, you have no oil pressure. These things do not heal, I would advise not
running the engine until the cause is found. As others have wisely stated,
go to the last place you were working and start there. After checking the
filter AND housing, I would pull the oil pan and oil pump, as a stuck (open)
pressure relief valve could be the culprit. While you're there, clean the
grunge from the oil pan, it's surprising what finds it's way into the inner
reaches of an infernal combustion engine. Look for rag lint blocking the
pick-up screen, as well as a broken pick-up tube. I've never heard of it
happening on a Landie, but a really perplexing oil pick-up problem on an
Alfa Romeo I worked on was caused by a damaged oil pan, and the subsequent
cracked pump housing. And hey, what if you have water in the oil pan, and
it's frozen, Guess what? No oil pressure. The list goes on.
     Food for thought,
                                   Regards, Ruthrfrd@borg.com 

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Fw: disposing of gas (I meant *petrol*, ok.)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:01:21 +1100

>Anonymous Anthony wrote:
>>When I drained Lulubelle's two tanks of grungy, crudded up gas, I just
>>hauled it in a few 5-gallon pails to the nearest RR track, and spread it
>>out on the oily ballast that was already there.
>Yeah, that's the best way to clean up after a Range Rover - er, you did

mean
>a Rangie (RR)  didn't you?
>Ron Beckett
>Emu Plains, NSW, Australia
>'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
>'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
>'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
>'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual
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>check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
>for Hillman and Rover

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:34:02 EST
Subject: Re: Displaying the 109 in Orlando

In a message dated 2/20/98 9:42:34 PM, you wrote:

>The local Land Rover dealer in Orlando would like to have on display in
>his showroom my 1967 109 NADA SW for approx. 6 weeks in celebration of
>LR's 50th anniversity. What should my charge be for this???

How about a complimentary brake job on the 109 *during* the six weeks. ok, I'm
just kidding here everybody... ;-) 

It depends on whether you normally use the 109 or not. If it would normally
just be sitting in your garage for the six weeks, then maybe the charge
wouldn't be as high as if you were going to be losing your daily driver for
six weeks. I would ask to be compensated mainly for being inconvenienced, and
would also clarify insurance and liability for the 109 while it is under their
care and responsibility. (When I leave the country for weeks on end, I
actually like to have my lr at the dealer. i know it isn't going anywhere and
there's a mechanic there who's been looking after the car since it as new and
he takes care of it during my absence; so I would be close to paying them to
keep it for six weeks this summer...) 

Most importantly, I would stipulate a clause to the effect that you can take
the car out to go up to Greek Peak for the big 50th.

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:39:42 EST
Subject: Pink messages

I get a bunch of black text on pink background messages from the list; they
always start out with the header below, then some text and a similar one below
the actual message.

Am I the only one getting these pink messages? Maybe Marcel Marceau is trying
to send messages (MIME format?)...

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I get a bunch of black text on pink background messages from the list; they
always start out with the header above and a similar one below the actual
message.

Am I the only one getting these pink messages?

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:41:16 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: that importing thing

At 11:49 PM 2/20/98 -0300, Allan Smith wrote:
:I told them about the 25 year thing that has been discussed at
:length on this list.  Their response was that many people from
:the US go to Europe and bring a vehicle back with them.
:
:What have I missed?

 The '80's!

 This was allowed before the rules were changed
 around 1990 or so.  Now the only vehicles anyone
 can bring back is one built by the manufacturer
 for the North American (Canada/US) market.

-M

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: pINK mESSAGES
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:55:42 -0800
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Where are these?  I feel left oout.....

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:57:56 EST
Subject: Re: Rear Main Seal

<< Christopher J. Clanton wrote:
 
 I've got a leak on my rear main seal (nothing too bad, about
 a quarter size spot in the garage each day), and I'm wondering
 if anyone has experience on fixing/living with this leak. >>

Yup, got the same problem with my '74 SIII 88. Big job for a mechanic too, not
as easy as just pulling the transmision. I am just watching it, feeding the
engine oil as necessary and waiting to it done in the future when I need other
stuff done to the engine. Main risk is either getting low on oil or wetting
the clutch causing slipping or sticking. Otherwise it's just another small
mess. 

* Land Rovers don't leak, they just mark their territory*  

Everyone knows my parking spot, 

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88
'95 Disco

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:03:48 -0500
From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Subject: Re: USA Land Rover Magazine

How about North American Land Rover magazine. Don't forget us north of
the boarder.
     Dan.

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