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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:05:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite cause

I agree with Uncle Roger!! I think that if there were a cause thae needed
support most is *education*. My mom is a high school teacher in the public
schooll system here in SC.  She is usually at work by 7am and is not back
home until 5:30 or 6.  It seems like the publ;ic school system here is
going to *crap* The stuff that she has to put up with is absolutely
incredible. There is no way that I could do the job that she does for the
money that  she make (hardly any). I think that education is the one way
that we have to help kids. Give them the opportunity to help them help
themselves. I know exactly how important an education is and think that it
is vital in today's society. etc. etc. My vote is for educational support.

Chris Dillard
91 RR County
Ahold USA (Bi-LO Inc.)
cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA
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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: LR 110 V8 for sale - $10,000
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:50:12 +1100

Mike Smith wrote:
>know our local LR dealer recently sold a 18,000 mile D110 for
>49,995. (ouch)

That's about A$77,000 - enough to buy 2 new D110's  or D130's (sorry, TDi
only - V8's not available in Australia anymore.)
I saw a 1985 D110 for A$10,000 (US$6,500) the other day (normally around
A$18,500 (US$12,000).

Don't forget these are rust free Aussie cars, not rusty British ones.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:08:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite cause

Sorry for any english grammer errors and misspellings. I tend to forget how
to write and spell after several years out of college!!

Chris Dillard
91 RR County
Ahold USA (Bi-LO Inc.)
cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:45:03
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: SII Steering Wheel

WANTED! WANTED! I need a Series II steering wheel with horn button etc.
This is the wheel that uses a bolt to clamp onto the steering column. I
would of course like it to be in at least good condition, but depending on
price and completeness will consider lesser quality 9^)! Please respond
through the digest or to my personel address.

Jim Wolf

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:52:30 -0500

I saw a 1993 110 in the Dupont Registry that was Imported from Canada. The previous owners were reported to be Billy Joel and Christy Brinkley. The asking price was $65,000! Yeah Right !!!!!!!!! For that kind of cash the buyer should get a date with Christy. I shouldn't be a problem she is available ; )

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From: 	Faure, Marin[SMTP:Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com]
Sent: 	Friday, February 13, 1998 8:15 PM
Subject: 	re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:32:22 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

>So, it does seem like the days of the sellers getting $5-6K more than
the paid for them may have drawn to a close--at least if they've
actually driven the car.  I know of one local 110 whose owner is
treating it like a rare vehicle (which, of course, they are), and he may
end up with something that works out as a good investment.

On the other hand, a friend of mine recently purchased a used D-110
trade-in from the local Land Rover dealer for about $60K  (it sold new
for $38K)..  It had a little over  30K miles on it from at least two
previous owners.  It is in excellent condition except the 5-speed manual
transmission was going (same problem as the faulty units installed in
Discoveries) so the dealer said he would replace it (don't know if
that's happened yet).  My friend has always wanted a Land Rover, was
willing to pay anything to get one, and has stated his intention to
never take it off pavement, and maybe not even out of Seattle.  He is
regarding it as an investment.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Subject: Western Kentucky Sighting/Who Are You?
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:16:51 -0600

Hi everyone!  Two different guys that I work with have reported seeing an
"older, beige-yellow four door", i.e. 109" Station Wagon in "Sand", in the
Paducah, Kentucky area.  Is this anyone on the list?  Or does anyone on the
list know the owner's identity?  It was last seen at one of those
quick-lube places in the company of the quick-lube shop owner's '67 Nissan
Patrol and one of the guys who saw it was driving his TLC FJ-40.  What 4x4
diversity for such a small town!  And I even know where a Suzuki Jimny is
not far from here!  Now, if we can just get an Austin Gipsy in town!

Thanks,

Brian

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:23:02 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: re: 110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

	Seattle seems to have had a collective loss of reality generated by the
Microsoft Millionaires.  I saw a nice, but not spectacular, pre 68 109
pickup without winch or overdrive or anything else in the way of expensive
add ons, that the owner reputedly paid more than $20,000 for.  It is also
in the neighborhood of the infamous Mr. Kellogg, the ultimate flake.  If he
can stay in business there is something wrong with the customers.  
	Putting a rare auto up on blocks hoping for appreciation is a dumb but
possibly successful investment technique.  That is if it truly rare and
interesting.  A 110 is rare only in the US and a farm/work vehicle in most
other parts of the world.  A prospective enterprizing buyer could get one
into the US if they really wanted one, anyway.  So it is not rare or all
that interesting.  The NA 110 was a nice rover but those shelling out more
than 1/2 what people are asking are, as the british say, "a few sandwiches
short of a picnic."  Its their money, if they want to be foolish, it is
their privelege.  I certainly wouldn't admit to paying $60,000 for a
60,000+ mile defective 110 unless I wanted people to have a poor opinion of
my grip on reality.
	Its the good old California theory of real estate investing.  "There is
always someone dumber to overpay what I overpaid for."  If $60,000 is what
the current market will bear, better get your money out quick.  There are a
few dutch tulp investors who can tell you about the fickle market.
	From personal experience, I think that the prices asking for all Rovers
are a bit of blue sky.  Have seen a couple of Series Rovers that seemed
like nice cars with lots of new parts not sell at $6,000 asking prices.  A
resto on a series, even if done by the owner, will run many thousands of
dollars.  So if you are looking at replacement cost, they were reasonable.
Not many takers.  I see ads for $20,000+ series cars and wonder if anyone
bothered to respond.  Mike Smith can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
you can have a coil sprung conversion with any engine/trans that you want
for under $20,000.  I know that there are enterprizing garages that will
take a rover down to the frame and put it back together as new and justify
charging over $20,000 to do so.  Not my idea of a smart idea to pay someone
to do it, however.  
	I hope I am wrong if I think the market for rovers is a lot puff.  I'm
thinking of selling my '65 109 pick up with rebuilt 5 main engine, rebuilt
trans, absolutely no rust, etc., only 36,000 original miles.  Would like to
get the $7,000 back I've got into it.  Tried to sell my 70 88 with a
totally rebuilt engine, low mileage trans, dinged up but replaceable body
panels, and had no takers at $4,000.  That's why I think the asking prices
are not what the true values are.
	One of these days the yuppie's love affair with never been and never will
go off road 4x4's is going to change.  Think you will see the Defender
prices drop to the level that would reflect their true value in terms of
cost of ownership.  Hopefully the prices of series will rise to represent
their true costs of keeping them pristine and functioning.  Only time will
tell.  In the mean time, if anyone wants to give me $10,000 for a totally
rebuilt '65 109 p/u with lots of spares, send me a check.
	Just my $.02 worth.
Aloha Peter
>On the other hand, a friend of mine recently purchased a used D-110
>trade-in from the local Land Rover dealer for about $60K.  It had a little
over  30K miles on it from at least two previous owners.  It is in
excellent condition except the 5-speed manual  My friend has always wanted
a Land Rover, was willing to pay anything to get one, and has stated his
intention to never take it off pavement, and maybe not even out of Seattle.
He is >regarding it as an investment.
>On the other hand, a friend of mine recently purchased a used D-110

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:47:16 EST
Subject: Favorite Cause

How about the " Missionary in a Stewpot" movement?

A friend has an ancient family recipe from the old country (west africa) for
missionary stew.

Paul

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:04:35 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: re: (ridiculous)110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:42:26 EST
Subject: re: (ridiculous)110 prices (was Re: Observations ...)

hmm... a 110 with 30K miles on it and a bad tranny** for $60K? I could have
bought the other one here in miami for less (less than $40K) and it has fewer
(27K) miles on it, and still made some pizza money on the side.

When I say the transmission was bad, I am quoting my friend.  He told me he
had a lot of trouble shifting from 1st to 2nd.  I've driven the vehicle
only once when he brought it by my office to show me, and I had no problems
shifting.  However, I'm a lot taller (and heavier) than my friend, and I
shoved the clutch right down to the floor even though the vehicle was
fitted with thick, rubber floor mats.  But the dealer had agreed that there
was a problem, and had agreed to change the transmission as part of the
deal, so maybe it did, in fact, have a problem.  I know that several
Discovery owners have reported shifting and other problems in the vehicles
imported in 1994-95, and I know the 5-speed manual transmission
manufacturer in the UK had some bad quality and inspection problems during
that period.

But I was more concerned with the brakes on my friend's 110 which seemed
rather vague-feeling, at least compared to my Range Rover and even my old
Series III.  Of course, I'm used to the feel of those two vehicles.  The
dealer had agreed to "servcice" the brakes, too, so perhaps they're better
now.  I would think that for a price of $60K the dealer would have agreed
to paint the thing a different color if my friend had asked...

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:01:39 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: headlight location/year

John	A while back you responded to my query about when the headlights
migrated to the wings.  Wanted to thank you for your input.  I thought it
was '69 but had seen conflicting from the UK.
Aloha Peter

>69 was the year that the "frog eye" was made and it was in reponse to
>changing regulations in Australia and a rumour that the US was about to
>change its lighting regs. too.
>   John

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>change its lighting regs. too.
>   John

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:14:30 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: RE: headlight location/year

Paul
	Thank you for the response on my query as to when the lights migrated to
the wings.  Thought it was '69 but saw some pic's from the UK that were
purported to be '69 and '70's and some postings claiming it was '67 or '68.
 Thought it was because of Brit legislation, however.  Interesting
Australia could have such powerful influence on Rover.  If they would have
worked as hard to keep the American Market it would have made them a lot
more money.
	How goes the frame work??
Aloha Peter

At 10:11 AM 2/4/98 -0800, you wrote:

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:09:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re:  Engine conversions

>four cyl *volvo* turbodiesel? The one they had in the cars was a VW mill and
>six cyls. Stay away from that dog! I own several cores. John Dorr
>(phdorr@AOL.com) has a four cyl Iron Duke that he just took out of a truck.
>Kinda pricy, but very nice. Write him and see.
>As far as the turbo diesel goes, if its not the VW thing, and makes at least
>100 horses, might be worth looking into.

The Volvo turbo diesel is something that he came upon while looking for an
Iron duke....   The Volvo is out of a boat, which could make things very
interesting.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@studiointhegrove.com>
Subject: RE: LR 110 V8 for sale - $10,000
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:26:20 -0800
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>From All of us poor Yanks,

Please stop with the low prices on the D110's.  I'm getting close to the =
breaking point.  Next thing you know, I'll have to use my semi-automatic =
assualt rifle on the local DOT guys in a moment of uncontrolable rage.

Just kidding

John Putnam
Orion GPS, Inc
Looking for company rig with a little more space than the Rhino.
Forest Grove, OR, USA

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From: 	Ron Beckett
Sent: 	Saturday, February 14, 1998 12:50 AM
Subject: 	LR 110 V8 for sale - $10,000

Mike Smith wrote:
>know our local LR dealer recently sold a 18,000 mile D110 for
>49,995. (ouch)
That's about A$77,000 - enough to buy 2 new D110's  or D130's (sorry, =
TDi
only - V8's not available in Australia anymore.)
I saw a 1985 D110 for A$10,000 (US$6,500) the other day (normally around
A$18,500 (US$12,000).

Don't forget these are rust free Aussie cars, not rusty British ones.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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