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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:03:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Stiff shift on now uprighted 88

Adrian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the shifter itself got
jarred/damaged by hitting the transmission cover while horizontal.

I'd more believe it to be the ball joint in the cup or the like than
anything else. Get the rubber up off the top of the transmission cover and
have a poke about - odds are it's something simple and repairable with a
hammer...

                    Alan/Mr. Churchill

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 05:01:03 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: dieselmania

From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
> I would say without question that the Tdi outperforms the 2.25 engine in
every respect.

Well folks, it's been over a year since I've done this...

<insert> Primal male scream and chest beating!

Tdi!  Tdi! Tdi!   

grunt...make defender 110 go 85 mph for long time! 
grunt...Tdi! Tdi! Tdi! good...it kicketh major buttock!

Such has been my experience with Tdi! Tdi! Tdi! equiped rovers in the UK.

And with paraphrasing apologizes to Wayne's World

Tdi...excellent...Rover on Garth."

and the stratocaster guitar scene...

"oh yes, one day, you will be mine"

ahem...

john

ps   see you in the alt.fan.landrover newsgroup, Marin!  A lot of
Portuguese lately eh?!

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:08:11 EST
Subject: Re:  Mayonaise in the oil

In a message dated 2/5/98 9:35:58 PM, you wrote:

>Well, last weekend (2 weeks after I first noticed things) I pulled the
>valve cover off - everything looks normal (nice brown smooth looking
>oil), I pulled the oil pan off - everything looks normal (nice brown
>smooth oil),  I pulled the exhaust valve cover off - everything
>looks....okay, you get the point. 

After two weeks, the water may have separated from the oil and gone down into
the bottom of the pan, waiting to be thrown up again. Why don't you also pull
the sump off, or at least drain the oil into a nice big Pyrex baking dish (my
girlfriend has a big one I *borrow* ), that way you'll see what's in your oil
pan.

pat
93  110

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:36:22 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Erratic Running Engine.

Check the seal in the carb that is found underneath the jet.I have had
one go which allowed fuel to leak into the manifold unnoticed. This
gives a very rich mixture. A cold engine can cope with this as it is
like the Choke being on but when it warms up the engine will run badly
and the hotter it gets the worse it will be. I assume your LR is fitted
with  an SU carb.
    John and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:45:41 +0300 (EET)
From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Subject: A question to the diesel gurus (and probably novices)

Hello all,

A friend of mine has restored a 2.25 diesel 109. He has encountered
a problem and asked me if I can offer any advice. Since I am totally
ignorant about diesels, I am consulting the list for some hints.

The problem with the truck is that it behaves as if the engine is
extremely underpowered, somewhat like 20 to 30 hp. She can't climb 
a very light incline with 2'nd high and 3'rd low. My petrol 2.25
can easily climb the same road section in 4'th high. A while ago 
somebody had said that the 0-100km acceleration in diesel LR's is
measured with the calendar. With this truck it is literally true,
because you can't shift into fourth even on flat road sections.
My friend is clearly making a blunder here, but what?

The engine has been rebuilt and the injectors have been tested and cleaned
professionally. Engine sound is normal, idle is OK.  Lucas CAV is
inscribed on the injection pump, so that is a potential problem source.
He has actually tested the truck with two Lucas pumps but the 
behaviour has not changed. Also he (and I) don't know what the 
valve clearances should be. Any info on these two items will be 
appreciated. Apart from these two, what else might be causing the 
above problem and what to check next? 

Best regards,

Semih Bingol
74 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:01:55 +0300 (EET)
From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Subject: Another engine question (No LR content)

Hello all,

I have a problem with my Lada Niva 4x4 which I have been unable
to identify. From time to time (but always once in a day and when
the engine is warm) she develops symptoms of fuel starvation. 
The accelerator pedal barely gives any response, and eventually 
the engine stops. After struggling for some time to start her
again, I can manage to do so, and the problem immediately vanishes
and never occurs again that same day.

Thinking that the fuel line might have been clogged, I have checked
the fuel system all over, cleaned the carb, changed the fuel filter
but the problem still keeps occuring intermittently. She has an
ordinary carburetted 1600cc petrol engine with no particular
idiosyncracies. 

Since I can't afford the fuel cost of the 88, she is my daily
driver and I will be grateful if somebody can tell me what else 
to check.

Best regards,

Semih Bingol
74 SIII SWB 2.25 petrol 

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:05:33 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: A question to the diesel gurus (and probably novices)

Semih Bingol wrote:
> Hello all,
> A friend of mine has restored a 2.25 diesel 109. He has encountered
> a problem and asked me if I can offer any advice. Since I am totally
> ignorant about diesels, I am consulting the list for some hints.
> The problem with the truck is that it behaves as if the engine is
> extremely underpowered, somewhat like 20 to 30 hp. She can't climb

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> appreciated. Apart from these two, what else might be causing the
> above problem and what to check next?
It sounds to me very much like a timing problem. How well does it start.
Often if the timing is off the starting will also be difficult.
Is there a lot of black smoke when trying to accellerate or is there
white smoke. `   Your Valve adjustment is .010 inches Hot or cold.
You really should have agood shop manual before you try an engine
rebuild. Even the Pros use them!
      John

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: What to do with that PTO?
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:23:00 -0500

I too have just fitted a rear pto. My intention is to install an
hydraulic pump, 15gpm, compensated 7 piston, that I just happened to
have laying around (for the last 15 years). The pump will be mounted to
the rear of the cross member at the back of the seat box and a short
drive shaft with sliding splines and universals will couple it to the
PTO. (Dana/Spicer Part#s 2-82-51 and 2-3-258kx). A reservoir at the
front of the rear box, some hoses, a valve block, a few lines, a filter
and some quick disconnects and we are ready for anything. Winch to
attach to front/rear/side as required, hoist, plough, backhoe, log
splitter, multiple jacks, marine drive strut (Sea-Rover conversion) etc
. Of course Miss Golightly will grind to a halt under the weight of all
the hydraulic accessories. I guess we'll have to be selective and only
take out what we need today.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:37:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Another engine question (No LR content)

Re: Lada Niva engine problem:

Where are you? Honestly, this sounds like a case of vapor lock or
carburettor icing - depending on where you are in the world, one or the
other could be happening.

I'd venture a thought ov vapor lock caused by changing engine temperatures
and a weak fuel pump. Get a pressure gauge on the fuel line, and make sure
the pump is pusing the right PSI level at idle (dunno what that is - a call
to the local dealer might be worth the effort).

Also, make sure that the fuel line isn't routed with a high spot above the
carburettor for a bubble to form in.

               ajr

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Date: 6 Feb 1998 09:49:07 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re- Mayo in the oil

Mike:

I concur with Gavin's analysis - the same thing happened to me last year as
the weather got
cold, and again this year.   

Check the O-ring on the dipstick tube - If it's missing like mine was, water
will find its way into the tube.    I replaced mine, put in a hotter
thermostat, and no more problems.  However, if your radiator is getting lower
while you drive...

Rgds,
Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88 (with non-working digital clock)  

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:56:47 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Re- Mayo in the oil

> Check the O-ring on the dipstick tube - If it's missing like mine was, water
> will find its way into the tube.    I replaced mine, put in a hotter
> thermostat, and no more problems.  However, if your radiator is getting lower
> while you drive...

Yep. This really sounds like a head gasket ir cracked head/block problem.
Retorque the head bolts, and use a quality torque wrench. Is the head
and block surface completely clean? Did you deck them, or at least have the
machine shop check for warpage?

Marcus

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:33:06 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Rallies, etc

"K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> wrote:

>It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to break
>with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The East
>Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.

No ego-centrism here, just facts.  We (as in the three largest and oldest
clubs on the continent) decided to hold the event convenient to the
greatest number of Rover owners.  Ever wonder why Rovers North, Atlantic
British, DAP, East Coast and British Bulldog are in New England?  'cause
that's where the most Series vehicles are.  Sure, there are pockets
elsewhere, but the majority are out east.  As to latter day vehicles, Land
Rover North America places the "epicenter" of ownership near Allentown, PA,
hence a selection of the Finger Lakes for a rally site.  But we had this
discussion a year ago, didn't we?

>The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond Lahnam>
>The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the greatest
>land Rover environment in the Americans...It is a shame that your east
>coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft
dairy->airof those in The North!

I'll be the first to admit that the West offers truly spectacular four
wheeling probably the best in the world (my four wheeling experiences are
limited to North America and Africa).  In 27 years of Rover ownership, I've
driven the west many times...done Loveland, Donner and Teton passes all in
snowstorms, the San Juans, Sierras, Monument Valley, all in winter (and
chained up front and rear).  As we get older, most of us simply don't have
the time (3-4 days each way) to attend an event in Colorado or Moab.  Cheers

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:30:16 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: A question to the diesel gurus (and probably novices)

I concur with John C.
Your chum is definitely experiencing a bad timing problem.
If number one piston is not ascending the bore on the compression stroke 
when you line up the timing mark, all bets are off regarding pump timing. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:08:46 -0800
From: john hess <jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: doug richardson

snip
>70's, Doug Richardson (where is he now?) was arranging purchases of CKD
(completely knocked down) Land-Rover 109 1-tons assembled in Costa Rica
(Belize).  Doug also was selling a line of conversion equipment to

Last I knew of (a letter from him) he was in Malibu California.  His slug
109 with a 2.25 diesel was replaced by a 2 door 110 with a 300 TDi.  He and
this 110 were featured in a US four wheel drive magazine as being the
ultimate camper, which was the designation for the 109 he had before it.
When he wrote me, he included a price list which I believe listed the pop
top he makes.  Not quite a Dormobile  but similar.  Lots of built ins,
looks good.  Don't think it would work for more than 2 people.

cheers,

PS. Nice discussion of upcoming events.  One thing that hasn't been
discussed is how small and cute all the states are back east.   Adds
adventure your rover outings when you travel through so many to get
somewhere!

John F Hess   jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:19:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Learning about Canadians...

	Or why Canadian Land Rovers don't seem as pretty as American
ones... :-)

----
One day an Englishman, an American, and a Canadian walked into a pub
together. The proceeded to each buy a pint of Molson Canadian. Just as
they were about to enjoy their beverage three flies landed in each of
their pints.
The Englishman pushed his beer away from him in disgust.  The American
fished the offending fly out of his beer and continued drinking it as
if nothing had happened.
The Canadian picked the fly out of his drink and started shaking it
over the pint, yelling, "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT YOU BASTARD!!!"

 ----
An American, a Scot and a Canadian were in a terrible car accident.
They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of
them died before they arrived.  Just as they were about to put the toe
tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes.  Astonished, the
doctors and nurses present asked him what happened.
"Well, " said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was
a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and the Scot and I were
standing at the gates of heaven.  St. Peter approached us and said
that we were all too young to die, and that for a donation of $50, we
could return to the earth.  So of course I pulled out my wallet and
gave him the $50, and the next thing I knew I was back here."
"That's amazing!" said one of the doctors, "But what happened to the
other two?"
"Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over
the price and the Canadian was waiting for the government to pay for
his."

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:30:42 -0500
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Go West Young Man...

Richer and Kenner poured a little gasoline on this fire so let me add a
burst of pure oxygen...

I for one would very much like to head West for a Rally one of these days.
The problem is not ego--*I* never have a problem with my ego, it's all you
lessor beings that seem troubled by it... The real obstacle is time. While
it's true that I have as much time as I ever did it does seem as if there
are many more things competing for this finite amount.

If I'm willing to push FINSUP through 13 hour days--last time I did, she
rewarded me with a blown overdrive--I guess I could make Colorado in 3
days. (I haven't looked on a map--I'm just reasoning based on the time it
took me to get to Detroit--my furthest Rover jaunt to date, though maybe
OVLR B-day is close in distance, and a vague mental picture of the
proportions on a US map. Six days of driving just to get there and
back--assuming nothing breaks along the way.

Quite simply, though self-employed, my vacation time is limited by my need
to make a living. Six days (plus some flex-time) is pretty much the total
time I took off last year for ALL the rallies/events I attended (Maine
Winter Romp, OVLR Bday, DownEast, Mid-Atlantic, ROVERs Assateague, Yankee
Rovers at British-by-the-Sea, NYLRC/ROVERS Hazelton, NYLRC at British Car
Show, OVLR X-mas and several weekends of EROS offroading in upsate
NY)--including the week's "Vacation"  (5 days) that Meyer, Zipkin and I
spent touring between Ottawa and Maine--fixing our Rovers in between. And
it's about all the time I can devote to Rovering as I have some annual
non-Rover vacations (SCUBA Diving, reggattas, visiting distant friends)
that I also enjoy.

There's also the fact that I'm no Ben Smith. After three 13 hour days in
FINSUP I do seriously wonder if I'd be able to walk. I know that climbing
in and out of the beast became a real burden during my week on the road
this past summer--and we didn't drive more than 6-7 hours on any given day.
And unlike Ben, the risk of mechanical breakdown far from home and far from
my usual suspects/assistants/advisors is rather daunting to me--and
potentially "fatal" in terms of time lost. (Extra day in PA with a blown
overdrive forced me to miss a key--potentially profitable--meeting and also
to cancel/reschedule a class that I was teaching at the time, which in turn
screwed up my schedule further down the road.)

So I *could* take a trip out west, but it would mean giving up one or more
of the major rallies out here--rallies that I really enjoy, sponsered by
clubs of which I am an active member and filled with my good friends--and
few blood enemies for us to make fun of in our snobbish, non-PC, east coast
style. And by the time I got out to your event I'd probably be physically
drained (and dreading the return trip) so I wouldn't enjoy the event as
much as I should--and I wouldn't really be up for the hard partying that
seems to go hand-in-hand with Rover rallies. Of course, I'd be even more
drained--and in desperate need of a vacation--when I arrived at home.

I know that the mountains and deserts that you speak of are beautiful--I've
seen them, though never with my Rover. On the other hand, I must confess
that rock climbing isn't my favorite enviroment for offroading--give me mud
and tight wooded terrain any day--so as a matter of personal taste I'll
dispute your claim that the American West, particularly Colorado, is the
"greatest" Land-Rover environment in the AMERICAS(?)--can you say "Mundo
Maya?". Not that I wouldn't like to play there some day.

But when mount an "Out West" expedition I'd rather take 3-4 weeks (minimum)
to do so--driving shorter days along roads-less-taken, and taking time to
enjoy the trip. My uncle was the publisher of a newsletter called Slow Lane
Journal and I'd like to visit some of his favorite spots and find a few of
my own. Unfortunately, this  won't be this summer--especially not with the
multi-club 50th party in the works.

And no matter what you say, egocentricism has nothing to do with it--though
your "welcoming" words regarding us "easties" (in my case really an
expatriated mid-westie) really shine through and I am sure to attend one of
your events--as they say at Microsoft--RSN (Real Soon Now).

I'm guessing that the number of East Coasters that make your rallies is in
proportion to the number of West Coasters that make our events...it's not
ego on anyone's part, it's just plain old geography.

Love-n-Rovers...

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Mayonaise in the oil
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:56:21 -0800

Just a thought.

On first startup after a re-build, wouldn't the radiator level drop as
the engine water passages filled with water?  This could explain the
drop in water level you saw after the first drive...

Just trying to be optimistic ;-)

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	David Cockey [SMTP:dcockey@tir.com]
>Sent:	Thursday, February 05, 1998 6:43 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Re: Mayonaise in the oil
>Gavin Smith wrote:

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>  ** REPLY TO LIST at: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  ** lro pages: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:46:35 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Connecticut Ho!

I'll be running up to Darien on Sunday for a class at Quantel which lasts 
thru Friday. I'll be in the 109 and staying at the Ho Jo hotel there. If 
anybody wishes to get in touch, I'll buy the beers ( company dime )

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:00:39 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: RE: Mayonaise in the oil

> Just a thought.
> On first startup after a re-build, wouldn't the radiator level drop as
> the engine water passages filled with water?  This could explain the
> drop in water level you saw after the first drive...
> Just trying to be optimistic ;-)

Yeh. I was going to say, you usually get a lot of crap in the rad fluid
right after a rebuild...and you may lose a bit of fluid especially
if you are using all new hoses...take a few miles for them to 'seat'.
BUT, I think this is a bit more that that. You never know though. A good
retorque of the head bolts might solve all his problems...

M

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: re: C. Marin Faure throws down the gauntlet...
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:23:43 -0800

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 9:00:33 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: C. Martin Faure throws down the gauntlet...

He writes, regarding the diesel/petrol debate:

>>The couple of 2.25 diesel Model 88s I've driven were noticeably
more sluggish on the road than my own 1973 petrol Series III-88, and I
would imagine the heavier 109 would be even slower.  

>Alright, buddy, you think you've got a fast Rover...well perhaps a 
gentlmanly DRAG RACE is in order to see just who has the quickest truck 
on the block. You name the place and time*, and I'll be there with my 
diesel 109 WAGON to take you on. As they say, when the green flag drops,

the bullsh*t stops!

While I doubt my 2.25 petrol Series III is any faster than any other
petrol Series III and may well be slower, I know it will accelerate
faster than a 2.25 diesel 109.  Based on the vehicles I've driven, the
petrol Series III 0-60 time can at least be measured in minutes as
opposed to the diesel rate.  On the other hand, if you've retrofitted
your 109 wagon with a GM V-8 diesel out of a Hummer or a Cummins engine
out of a Ram or maybe one of those 7,000 hp 20-cylinder jobs out of an
EMD SD70MAC, well, I'm just not going to show up on the appointed day...

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Bottom PTO
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:45:58 -0800

On the topic of PTO's (again)

Just received a pile of shop manuals and parts catalogues from the LRO
Bookstore.  The Optional Equipment Catalogue is full of really cool
stuff!  Of course the significant other got mad at me for reading it
last night.  She told me to get the beast running before I start talking
about accessories!  Awe shucks.

Anyway, one piece of kit in the book is called a Bottom Power Take Off.
As far as I could tell, it bolts onto the bottom of the transfer box in
place of the oil pan.  Guess it would give you the option of having both
a rear power take off AND an overdrive!  

Anybody have one, or seen one before?

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:06:04 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Bottom PTO

These are made of the finest etherium, with unobtanium gears and genuine 
Rover Leeknot seals.
If you have one, or the hydraulic pump version, count yourself lucky.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:03:43 EST
Subject: Re: A question to the diesel gurus (and probably novices)

How long did the truck sit?

Did the tank have any fuel in it?

It could also be something growing in the tank, and plugging up a line!
(it happened to me - my truck sat for 5 years with 1/2 a tank, before I got
it)

Most likely though, I agree with the timing being off.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:08:32 EST
Subject: Re: Another engine question (No LR content)

Is the fuel filter the OEM type, and in the OEM location? I ask this, because
I once had a MGB-GT that ran great, but would sometimes "run out of gas" when
I knew the tank was full.

After some period of time, I had discovered that the car ONLY had this
problem, when I made a left turn!

Turned out, it was a aftermarket fuel filter, mounted in one of those places
where gravity became a harsh mistress.

Charles

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:40:42 EST
Subject: East Coast, West Coast etc. (LR content, but not too PC)

I've kinda enjoyed following the east-west rallye diatribe. Not being one to
nitpick over numbers (of attendees, or whatever), I think it is great that
there are organizations that put these events on and so on, but I gather there
is a bit of bad air over one club deciding to call their event "The National".
That seems a bit greedy and one-upsmanish, IMHO. Also, in my not so humble
opinion, the name ought not be applied to a single event in a country so vast
as this.

(Red Herring--> It reminds me of when I was racing on a-scows in wisconsin. We
held the "worlds" or properly, the A-Scow World Championships. I couldn't
believe I was actually a competitor in a worlds event, but then there were
only 20+ boats from wisconsin and minnesota. In that case, it was more a
poking-fun name, as we knew *all* the sailable, competitive scows were in that
region, so in effect, it was the ultimate championship of the vessel. yeah,
and what's with the baseball World Series? Only the US and Canada, that's a
bit odd, or perhaps insecure. Ok, that's done.)

Perhaps clubs and organizations, whether they have members around the world or
not, ought to name their *upcoming-yet-to-be-created* events with some reality
in mind. Maybe geographic connotation.

Kudos to the organizers who named their events properly and politely:

The Portland meet (I know the name is longer, but everyone gets the idea. It
is in Oregon and a good affair)

The Mid-Atlantic Rallye (big numbers, but not in-yer-face about anything, and
being held in mid-Virginia is pretty accurately named with regard to
geography)

OVLR Birthday Party (says it all, doesn't it?)

and upcoming, The Desert Challenge (pretty apparent it is out west and won't
feature oak forests and Mt Mansfield)

etc.,

And, besides all the hoohah I read about a $130 entry fee, I also read some
hoohah about the National being "limited" to the first x-entrants; I thought I
saw that on the wwwpage. Now there's a disqualifying feature for the name in
question if ever I saw one. i'd feel really bummed if I won the lottery and
tricked out my truck only to find out I couldn't go ride the national event
because I was entrant x+1. I guess everything's got its limit, but something
with so prestigious a name ought to have the resources the entry fee commands
to work out the logistics of a bunch of 4x4s driving around an amply large
state. 

So, with my two cents, that appears to bring the grand total in this thread to
$ 25.02  ;-)

pat "waiting for UPS to deliver my asbestos undies" parsons
93 "just as irreverent" 110
No Hella Lights on the roof (but two in the headlight buckets)
oem bumper (weighing options)
stock suspension (so far so good)
leaky (it is a LR after all, but I'm working on it)

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From: CBeireis@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:39:46 EST
Subject: Re: Learning about Canadians...

Here you go Jim, courtesy of the Land Rover Owners Digest.

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From: B4UTRY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:17:14 EST
Subject: Re: Perkins Diesel For Sale

how long have you had the engine in service?
how many kms?

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From: "daviscar" <Daviscar@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Erratic Running Engine.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:02:36 -0600

> Judging from the symptoms I had suspected 2 possible causes:
>                 1) Fuel delivery
>                 2) Ignition
> So far I have done the following withoutany success:
>         1) replaced ignition coil, reset contact breaker gap,
>         adjusted ignition timing
>         2) adjusted fuel mixture, topped up the dashpot with oil
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>         3) adjusted the carb float height
>         4) replaced fuel filter
Hi Lawrence Lee

Have you checked the wire inside the distributer that powers the Points?
My 88 gave fits like you discribe and it turned out to be that wire.
I also don't see on your list that you have replaced the spark plug wires
could be one of them opens when hot.

Bruce Davis
Daviscar@concentric.net

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:43:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: anti-seize and brake fluid

Is there any reaction between brake fluid and anti-seize compound?  In
other words, is there a reason not to put it on wheel cylinder bleed
screws?  Other, of course, than the perverse desire to spend lots of money
on new cylinders every year?

David/ Mr. Sinclair

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:12:42 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: anti-seize and brake fluid

David Scheidt wrote:
> Is there any reaction between brake fluid and anti-seize compound?  In
> other words, is there a reason not to put it on wheel cylinder bleed
> screws?  Other, of course, than the perverse desire to spend lots of money
> on new cylinders every year?

 Use it  use lots of it  use it often. Your temper and your cheque book
will love you for ever.
    John and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:42:23 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Sedan

Matt writes :- 
I recently found out thet a local auto junk yard has a rover sedan in
it, the person who told me couldn't describe it well except that it had
dual carbs and an engine that looked like that in my landrover(65 s2a88)
are there any parts off this sedan I can salvage for my landrover? this
weekend any engine is $50 maybe I can get it, or the whole car cheap, is
it worth my trouble? Thanks for the help because I have no info on rover
sedans...

Yes quite a lot of the parts are useful, the rear differential for one, it
could be a 4.3 or a 3.9 to 1, if it is a twin carb engine it is probably a
Rover P4 2.6 litre. The manual had a 4.3 and the auto a 3.9 each will fit
directly into a LR axle. If it is a manual some of the gears are common with
the LR. The electircal items, starter, dynamo, regulator, headlights etc are
usable. Perhaps even the speedo, look on the front for a number like 1400 of
1500, this represnets the number of revs per mile  of the speedo cable. 1400
is for 7.50 tyres and 1500 for 6.50 tyres. Variuos light switches, there may
even be a tool tray under the dash with some Whitworth spanners. Fuel pump
could be useful, I have even reclaimed bearings from the prop shaft,
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:47:09 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: sedan

Matt John suggests it may be a P6, if so then the dynamo and  starter ( some
P6 had an M45 starter which is heavy duty ) will fit the land rover. If you
fancy a different style speedometer then this can also be used, switches and
lights are also usable. I have seen people use the seats but I think the
bases are too thick for a LR.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:48:38 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: sedan

John writes :-
Matt, sounds like a P6, specifically, a 2000TC. TC stood for twin choke.

 TC stands for Twin Carburretor !!!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:21:44 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: headlights 

I wrote
>Headlights in the wings wre introduced in 1969 in the UK,
Mike wrote 
'68,Bill.Colleague here at work has one.

I was a Land Rover owner at that time.
 I owned a 68, it had headlights in the middle, however I converted it in
1974 when the front got damaged, my friend bought a 69 with headlights in
the centre, in Jan 1969. He did not like the new  style. O , if only we
could still buy them at 69 prices !!
 It was very easy to change the front end, as many of the ex military
restorers did to make them look like new models.
 The parts list indicates that the change was made with vehicles suffix G on.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: anti-seize and brake fluid
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:46:15 -0500

You might also want to try Marine Never-Seize It is available at most boat shops. I use it on everything. Works Great.

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From: 	David Scheidt[SMTP:david@infocom.com]
Sent: 	Friday, February 06, 1998 2:43 PM
Subject: 	anti-seize and brake fluid

Is there any reaction between brake fluid and anti-seize compound?  In
other words, is there a reason not to put it on wheel cylinder bleed
screws?  Other, of course, than the perverse desire to spend lots of money
on new cylinders every year?

David/ Mr. Sinclair

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 19:00:56 -0800
From: John & Sandy Cooper <scooper@scooper.seanet.com>
Subject: Being nice and understanding

I`ve been off the list for some months and was wondering if it is safe
to come back in the water (are people being nice)?  John Cooper

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:10:57 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: PTO use

For Con and others who have asked what I am going to use the PTO for, I
first will be making a very good water pump for it so I can pump my
basement if we get another Red River flood.  I also want to be able to
use it to fight fires since we often get forest fires out our way.  I
think a good syphon hose and some good fire hose on a large pump will
work great off the PTO.  Secondly, I am seeking an AC generator for it.
I was stupid and gave the perfect one away last summer. About 3000 watts
and just the right size.  Well if I had one to get rid of, someone else
might also have one.  I hope to have something built in time for the ham
radio field day fun this June.  I assembled the PTO and everything is
just like new.  It has all new bearings, seals and gaskets so other than
the old body that looks like new aluminium, it is new.  I hope it sounds
quiet when I put it on.
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:20:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: East Coast, West Coast etc. (LR content, but not too PC)

On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> and what's with the baseball World Series? Only the US and Canada, that's a
> bit odd, or perhaps insecure. Ok, that's done.)

	Actually, this one is named after a newspaper who put up the first
trophy.  

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:12:52 +0100
From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Subject: capillary oil temp

Anyone have a *working* oil-temp. gauge (capillary type) for
a ex-MOD SIII ?
Some people cut off the cap.line, making the whole thing
useless, -so I am told-.
Reasonable offers (incl.posting stamps) to  :

 marijn@multiweb.net

Yep, thats in The Netherlands.
Bye all,

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