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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:48:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Series IIa Gearbox X-member

Mine has an unboltable gearbox x-member.

I think it was "standard" on the Lightweights and mil. 109"s of my vintage.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

passaretti@sol.med.ge.com on 02/04/98 07:21:01 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Series IIa Gearbox X-member

    Huub> Bolt-on X-members are available and were for
    Huub> military '88's they can be ordered but you would
    Huub> have to make attachment points for these as well.
Did the mil-spec 109"s have any chassis differences like this?
(I'm woefully ignorant of the differences between civilian
 and MOD vehicles, but curious.  )
                                   -MM

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:20:01 -0500
Subject: Weber adjustments

Anyone know the proper float height for a 34ICH? Mine is showing the
characteristic signs of an over-high float (weeping between the body
casting and the lid) and I'd like to adjust it before it catches fire on
me.....8*)

               ajr/Mr. Churchill

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:39:23 -0700
From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Subject: 109 diesel 1 ton, etc.

> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:09:59 -0500
> From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
> Subject: 109 diesel 1 ton?
> Dear all,
> Wait a minute... they didn't make diesel 109 1 tons. They were all petrol,
> They had 2.6's from 67-70, and 2.25's from 70-71 when they stopped making
> them. I guess it could have been built by someone though. I guess it would
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> http://www.eastcoastrover.com
> ------------------------------
Not quite so!  109 1-tons were available until approx. 1980.  The 2.6-l
6-cyl. was the only engine available in the UK, but in certain export
markets the 4-cyl. diesel was apparently available.  In the mid-'70's,
Doug Richardson (where is he now?) was arranging purchases of CKD
(completely knocked down) Land-Rover 109 1-tons assembled in Costa Rica
(Belize).  Doug also was selling a line of conversion equipment to
create an "Expedition Motorhome" based on these 109's.

On a different note, to TeriAnn and others, a very few NADA 109 6-cyl.
"Regulars" (basically pickups) were privately imported to the US in
'67-'68.  At least 2 came through Boulder, Colorado, and one of these (a
109 pickup) is now in Salt Lake City.

Norm Lewis

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 9:00:33 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: C. Martin Faure throws down the gauntlet...

He writes, regarding the diesel/petrol debate:

 The couple of 2.25 diesel Model 88s I've driven were noticeably
more sluggish on the road than my own 1973 petrol Series III-88, and I
would imagine the heavier 109 would be even slower.  

Alright, buddy, you think you've got a fast Rover...well perhaps a 
gentlmanly DRAG RACE is in order to see just who has the quickest truck 
on the block. You name the place and time*, and I'll be there with my 
diesel 109 WAGON to take you on. As they say, when the green flag drops, 
the bullsh*t stops!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

*That is if my busy schedule will allow.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:18:35 -0500
Subject: Re: C. Martin Faure throws down the gauntlet...

Bill, put the coffee cup down and back away and nobody gets hurt.....8*)

You really do have to cut down on the caffeine....8*)

If Martin doesn't want to do it, I'll take a piece of that action in July
at the 50th in Cortland!

Considering Mr. Churchill's no slug, i figure this is an easy win...

          ajr

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:41 EST
Subject: Re: C. Martin Faure throws down the gauntlet...

In a message dated 2/5/98 9:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< Bill, put the coffee cup down and back away and nobody gets hurt.....8*)
 
 You really do have to cut down on the caffeine....8*)
 
 If Martin doesn't want to do it, I'll take a piece of that action in July
 at the 50th in Cortland!
 
 Considering Mr. Churchill's no slug, i figure this is an easy win...
  >>

Just make sure there are plenty of half shafts to go 'round :o)

Nate

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:24:33 -0700

Dear Land Rover Friend,

It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to break
with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The East
Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.

The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond Lahnam>
The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the greatest
land Rover environment in the Americans...It is a shame that your east
coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft dairy-air
of those in The North!

Love always ..and good fun

John Wood

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> From: A. P. "Sandy" Grice <rover@pinn.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Rallies. etc.
> Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 2:38 PM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> >Sorry to disapoint you but I am planning that the National Rally will be
> >the LARGEST ROVER EVENT OF 1998. Also planned for the weekend of June
25-
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
> >Hope that you won't be upset that we are taking all of the rovers from
> >your little show :^).....HA HA!
> It won't be my show, rather Land Rover North America has one scheduled

for
> that weekend in Lanham...the same week as Downeast.  If you *really* want
> to compare numbers, the Solihull Society's "national" rally has yet to
> reach the attendance that the Mid-Atlantic Rally had four years ago, and
> we've been growing ever since.  As for the 50th Anniversary Rally at
Greek
> Peak, NY on August 1 & 2, it is a cooperative effort between the largest
> and oldest clubs on the continent: Ottawa valley, Bay State and ROAV. 
(We
> are planning for 300-400 vehicles and possibily many more.)  Cheers

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:20:33 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Lights

>From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>

>	Wasn't the 68 model year the last with the inboard headlights???

Nope.  '67.  In 1968, they were moved to the wings on export models (AKA
"the bugeye") and recessed in 1969.  Cheers

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:20:31 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Rear cross members

Paul Quin wrote:

>Budgeting time.

>A question for anyone who has replaced their rear cross-member.

>I am trying to budget in having my new rear cross-member (with
>extensions) welded in.  I will remove the bodywork myself.

You don't *have* to remove the rear tub, though it certainly makes life
easier.  You can do most of the welds with a MIG, then run a bead across
the top with a stick welder if you don't pull off the body.

>I would like to know approximately how many hours work is involved in
>cutting off the rusty remains of the old cross-member 

no time at all.  In fact, once the body is off, it may fall off on it's own
accord! ;-)

>and welding in the new one.  I know that it depends on how far up the
>frame rails the rust worm has eaten, I just want a ball park estimate of
>time involved.  

Depends on where you are working.  I did mine outside and it took from
early December to the end of March.  I had like three weekends when I
didn't have rain, snow, ice or the flu.  Ran out of welding wire on one
particularly warm, beautiful weekend. :-0  In truth, it depends on how far
up you cut out the old frame.  If you have to build beyond the spring
perches, it will take much more time.  Most weld-on extensions only have
about 6" of frame material.

Though most folks buy hot-dipped cross members, I spent fully half my time
grinding off the galvanizing near where it would be welded.  Zinc fumes are
poisonous and it makes the arc spatter and pop when it melts and runs down
into it.  A commercial welder may not touch welding on galvanizing.  If you
have the body off, all the work lined up and ready to go, a commercial
welder should be able to run the beads in 1 hour easily.  In terms of
actual welding time, it's short; it's all the other fidly bits that takes
the time.  Don't forget that the wiring to the rear lights runs *inside*
the frame.  

Good luck

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:29:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Subject: re: Junque and yard and resurrected clocks

: SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

::Someone on 2/4/98 2:46:12 wrote:

::A thought in wiring the clock, are 2 of the wires supposed to go to
::permanent power so the clock keeps going and 2 to the regular ignition power
::for some king of internal light?. Most car stereos are wired that way.

: Two wires are probably wired direct, and the other two are an independent
: ground and a  +ive lead that gets power from the headlight switch (?), so that
: when you turn your lights on, the clock illuminates along with the rest of
: your instruments, maybe.

Dredging up the dim recesses of my mind (frightening thought....) I once had a 
digital clock that came from a lancia with about six wires hanging out of it.

One was ground, obviously, one was permanent live, one was live when the 
ignition was turned on to bring the clock display on, one was live when the 
headlights were turned on to dim the display.

This was worked out by trial and error, this was quite a robust item (!)

..... Shouldn't this be on the plushmobile list :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:36:05 -0500
From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: rover sedans

I recently found out thet a local auto junk yard has a rover sedan in
it, the person who told me couldn't describe it well except that it had
dual carbs and an engine that looked like that in my landrover(65 s2a88)
are there any parts off this sedan I can salvage for my landrover? this
weekend any engine is $50 maybe I can get it, or the whole car cheap, is
it worth my trouble? Thanks for the help because I have no info on rover
sedans...

matt nelson

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:05:22 EST
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.

John,

Maybe its the "altitude" of the LROA and your esteemed representation of that
"prestigious" organization.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:05:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.

>Dear Land Rover Friend,

First mistake - Rover owner yes, friend of yours no.

>It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to break
>with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The
East
>Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.

Consider population and reality - then ask yourself why "truely (sic)
Rovering" would possibly include driving cross country to a place where the
vast majority of rover owners ARE NOT.

Egocentrism (there's no hyphen in that, by the way) has naught to do with
reality. When you want to fish, don't go to the desert. When you want to be
with loads of other Rover owners, GO WHERE THE OTHER ROVER OWNERS ARE.

I, for one, awould have no intention of blowing my yearly vacation to go to
some self-proclaimed "national" rally when I can visit with 10X MORE
Roverites 5 hours from my home at 109 speeds.

It is not a lack of will - more a surfeit of common sense.

>The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond Lahnam>
>The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the greatest
>land Rover environment in the Americans

Lanham, MD? Ack. Nobody in their right mind goes there to off-road. Where
are you getting your information?

Forget I asked. Your Ouija board is obviously warped.

Ever been Winter off-roading on trails in a pine forest? The ice and snow
make for difficulties that make rocks pale in comparison. I might also
throw in dune driving, rocky trails, bottomless mud and just about every
other type of off-road experience you might want.

Oh, and did I mention I can get to most if not all of it within 4 hours of
my home in Boston? WhytheHell would I want to go across-country for it?

>...It is a shame that your east
>coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft
dairy-air
>of those in The North!

Of this insult I will say no more...I don't stoop to stupidity.

Unable is not the word. Unwilling to bestir myself from the equivalent of
the US Garden of Eden for Rovers to the third level of Hell (high
altitudes, horrid gas prices and a generally unfriendly population), no.

Realize that if you need to taunt people and make them angry to get them to
show up at your events then there's a problem here. I won't even bother to
mention other little pecadilloes like your $130 registration fee and the
like.

Rethink your logic and try it again.

          aj"Not amused"r

Love always ..and good fun

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 09:20:19 EST
Subject: Re: A Question of position

> If this would work then the NADA  LR's would be easy to
>reframe without modifing the new frame.   Suggestions?  

definitely easier to move the trans x-member than to trey and modify the 
mounts themsleves. Trans x memeber is easily removed in a few minutes with 
a swazall, and then tacked back on after everything's hooked up. Hell you 
can even make it into a "bolt-on" while your at it.

cheers
DaveB

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:38:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  rover sedans

Matt, sounds like a P6, specifically, a 2000TC. TC stood for twin choke. I
hate to see them go to the crusher, but, no, I wouldn't try to put that
engine in a LR. For one thing the carbs would foul on the steering, if it's
LHS. 
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:58:30 EST
Subject: Along the lines of Late IIa-->III...

Ok, trivia nitpickers, deliver your knowledge...

I just met someone who has a rover fresh from the UK, still has UK tags and
petrol in the tank. The next fill up should cost less. At first glance I
thought it was a III, but then was informed it was a late IIa, you know, with
the lights in the wings.

Other than that, are there any other distinguishing features? I gather they
didn't use plastic grilles in 69? What about the instrument panel, was it
central or over the steering wheel? What about the hole in the quarter panel,
which side (for a RHD) and what shape? I'd just like to make sure for my own
edification, as the lr was imported by some dodgy people.

Unfortunately it looks like the vehicle suffered a quick all-over respray, as
everything below the roof is painted, the galvanizing, the filler cap and the
doorhandles. I kinda like the look of all that galvanizing, and rue the day LR
painted those bits. e-mail me direct as I know this all just happened on the
list.

thanks,

pat.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:58:28 -0800

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 09:32:12 EST
Subject: Re[6]: Need help

>BTW, I disagree on the diesel issue, you state that "yes I have seen
the 
300 tdi in action.  I just like more power", yet you drive a 2.25
petrol. 
Are you saying the 2.25 has more power than the 300tdi? 

I have owned a 1973 Series III-88 since new.  As a US-spec vehicle, it
is equipped with the 8:1 compression 2.25 petrol engine.  During its
first year of life, all the rudimentary emissions control hardware
mysteriously disappeared except for the crankcase breather  which I....
I mean the thief... left in place.  I also have been hiring ("renting"
for the US readers) Tdi powered Land Rovers in the UK since 1992, mostly
Discoveries.  I have been very impressed with the Tdi's performance on
the motorways, where it has no problems  keeping up with the 70mph
traffic flow , although the fuel efficiency suffers dramatically at that
speed.  On the winding roads of the Lake District, the Yorkshire Dales,
and northern Scotland, I've found the Tdi  to be very responsive, with
impressive acceleration for a 4-cyl.engine in a relatively large
vehicle.  So based on 25-years ownership of a 2.25 petrol-powered Series
III and several thousand miles of driving Tdi-equipped Land Rovers, I
would say without question that the Tdi outperforms the 2.25 engine in
every respect.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:59:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.

John "We hold the National Rally! We set the Pace!" Wood writes

> It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to break
> with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The East
> Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.

	Hell, Sandy was only suggesting 300-400 vehicles for the ANARC
Rally.  You are expecting 300 from the propoganda you have published.

> The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond Lahnam
> The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the greatest
> land Rover environment in the Americans...It is a shame that your east
> coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft dairy-air
> of those in The North!

	First, the greatest Land Rover environment would be one that
offered the full range of terrains to try out.  Swamps, muskeg, close
forest do not fit your bill.  (we don't have new mountains, just old worn
ones, you have lost of sedimentary rock, we have shield).  We don't have
the greatest environment either. Just different.  

	Second, you ask about how fit our vehicles are.  I would tend to
think most could make the journey if they were so inclined.  Why might
they not choose to come to your rally? 

	Let's see...  To start, you omit the fact that registration for
the "National Rally" (Gee isn't it nice LROA blew it years ago and allowed
to to swipe the name of their rally...) is a cool $130 bucks, Greenbacks
too!  (If your web site didn't have so many damn graphical images on it
allowing it to load in a decent time frame I'd have stuck around to learn
more about it...  Not everyone has a T1...)  $130 and your expected 300
vehicles is quite a whack of cash.  Must be some rally with $39,000 to
spend!  It seems like most us easterners are just a bunch of cheapskates
(probably because our Rovers were probably exported via Scotland) used to
rallies that have cost less in the past.

	You ignore the fact that you picked the busiest weekend this
summer to hold a rally.  Some people might think that the Series One club
rally in Stafford, England might be a better event to attend.  Others
might want to take in Land Rover North America's family picnic/show 'n
shine in Lanham, Maryland.  Northern easterners might want to try out the
9th (or is it tenth) Downeast Rally in Maine.  June.  (Add British Car day
in Bowie Maryland which is a *huge* show with 600-700 vehicles for a
fifth event).

	There are *four* events to pick from.  Two are on the east coast. 
It isn't our fault that you moved your rally from the third weekend in
August (where it has sat for the past three years) to the last weekend in
June.  If you had half a brain you would have done as these trashy eastern
clubs have done and co-operated and co-ordinated their scheduling efforts
so conflicts don't occur...  If you had left your rally were it used to
be, there wouldn't have been a problem.  Berating us because we have a
choice where to head isn't that constructive.

> Love always ..and good fun

	Yep... :-) As you wrote in December 1996 - "If we are to promote
the power and prestige of the Land Rover tradition, we must be prepared to
develop the club and the events that maintain its position as the national
leader in Land Rover society.  We hold the National Rally, We set the
Pace!".  Berating us poor storm tossed easterners for not falling into
line may not be the best way to attact people.  To paraphrase Comrade
Ivonova, "It is easier to attract flies with honey rather than vinegar".

	:-)

	Rgds & lottsa love,

	Dixon 

PS	Is the Rover Riders club participating enthusiastically in the
rally?

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 14:12:12 EST
Subject: Re: 

> I would say without question that the Tdi outperforms the 2.25 engine in
>every respect.

US special forces likes 'em too, they use them in the "gun jeeps" (110's)
How come they gets em an we don't. Waaaaahhhhh

later
DaveB

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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Lights
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 14:25:44 PST

----------
> >From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
> >	Wasn't the 68 model year the last with the inboard headlights???
> Nope.  '67.  In 1968, they were moved to the wings on export models (AK=

A
> "the bugeye") and recessed in 1969.  Cheers

I have a '68 lla with the lights in the grill er breakfast
Rgds
Steve

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: 1993 Land Rover Defender 110
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:41:51 +1100

John Wood wrote:

>We scoff at Ford Explorers as "Yupi Mall Crawlers" and they only
>fetch in the low K20s here.
A$18K (US$12K) (would get you a very good older (say 1985-86) V8 110 - rust
free!.
Explorers have had some pretty bad writeups Down Under - particularly in
respect of the suspension not suiting Aussie roads.

>It seems that being down-under isn't all that's backwards?
>BMW z3's are onl\y in the k29 to k30 range.

Oh we pay thru the nose for cars.

>While k44 for a D110 is low for the most part. They started out in '93
>at around k39. Now they can get as much as k48 for really clean
>low mileage ones.

Wow!

>How'bout I send you one of our cheapy's and you send me one of yours?

Can I get a Rangie instead - they are dirt chepa up there and as dear as
poison Down Under.  I'm seriously considering getting one from the US and
transferring it over to an Aussie-delivery chassis.

>Only one stipulation...I get to come pick mine up down there...That
> way I can hit a few waves while I wait for the export visa!
>.
Mate, once Aussie Immigration knows an American wants to leave, they won't
worry about an export visa, they'll carry you to the plane! 8-)  Too bad
you'd have to leave the LR 'cos V8 Defenders aren't sold down here.

Your's
John Wood

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: ARB airlockers?????????
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:43:23 +1100

> From: RykRover@aol.com
> I am looking for fr/rear lockers for the D-90 , any ideas on where to get

Try ARB in Seattle.  Sorry I can't help with the Address - I live in
Australia.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: A day at the junqueyard
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:24:05 +1100

Jeff Jackson wrote:
>A January Saturday morning in New England and I woke to a 40 deg (F)
> day; thank you Mr. El Nino

Similar to Down Under except that our days are currently 40 degs (Celsius).

>Question 3:  This is rather embarassing, but I bought a digital electric
>clock for my new console.  It's in place and looks good (too good,
actually).
>BUT - there are four wires for this device.  Can anyone tell me how to wire
>this thing up?

What colours are the wires?  Is it from a Japanese vehicle?  One wire will
be +12v, another will be earth and a third will be the illumination feed.
4th ?? Dunno.  Could be the earth for the light globe.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:01:48 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: FW: guilt-free motoring

Is aluminium corrosion of the dissimilar metals variety, or bonsai grass
in the window sills classifiable as biodegradability?

Adrian Redmond

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:03:44 EST
Subject: Re: C. Martin Faure throws down the gauntlet...

Well, when I get a working tranny in my truck, I'll take somebody up on this.

Charles
109 Diesel

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:47:47 EST
Subject: Re: Along the lines of Late IIa-->III...

There is a late IIa that some folks call a bugeye (not to be confused with the
Sprite, which was known in Europe as the Frogeye, but bugeye in the states),
and it had the sII/IIa center mounted instrument cluster, two-speed wipers
(single motor), a metal grille - although it was a slightly different style,
and the headlights were mounted in the wings - BUT - they were not recessed,
as the sIII's are.

The hole in the quarter panel? Where is it located, and what does it look
like? If in the right place it could be a replacement panel from a 90 (rear
filler neck).

Nice truck. A friend of mine had one.

Charles

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:07:34 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Stiff shift on now uprighted 88

Following our little accident on Tuesday night, when the 88 ended up
parked on its starboard side, the gearshift is VERY stiff - although
when shifted, the gears work fine - does anyone have any suggestions as
to the cause and remedy? Could the engine and gearbox, having been
suspended sideways supported by 4 rubber mounts and a pair of trannies,
be incorrectly located?

Suggestions welcome. (keep them inexpensive eh?)

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:10:48 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Unusual parking - no-one hurt!

Winter hs come to Denmark - last night, my wife Hanne had a small
accident - a bit of heavy braking, a lcak of 4WD engagement, and
suddenly the 88 was pointing in the opposite direction, and lying on its
side in the gutter.

A quick pull from a neighbour with a j**p (shame) and we had the car
upright again, but the starboard side is somewhat trashed.

A new wing and door, a new mirror, a bash on the roff with a rubber
hammer, and everything should be able to be hidden with a lick of paint
- except the front doorpost, which is severly buckled and pushed a few
centimetres forward of its proper position.

Ahas anyone on the list ever replaced the firewall doorpost section ? Is
this easy? Advice and comfortin words of wisdom welcome.

Pity about the smash up - lucky it was on a quiet country lane without
trees, ditches, fences, traffic, pedestrian or other obstacles - if
she'd been driving a normal car (or should I have said a car) then it
would have rolled right over and she would have been hurt bad.

At times like this, one is glad that it's "just a Landrover" and can be
repaired and bashed into shape again.

Adrian Redmond

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:05:32 EST
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award)

Hey - even Presidents re-decorate the White House once in a while.

Charles

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From: Charlie Dawson <Charlie@Elvis.Conquipinc.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:53:15 -0000

All
The overdrive went to a fellow in Richmond Indiana - Nick Fankhauser. 
 I still have the front axle set (asking $200) and the rear end 
(asking $300 and entertaining offers on either).  Additionally I have 
a running 2.6L and transmission which are in better than average 
condition.  I am asking $1000 for the motor and transmission and will 
take offers or a split. Reply (always) to cdawson@conquipinc.com
Chaz

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:07:54 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Headlight location

Headlights in the wings wre introduced in 1969 in the UK, however there were
a few vehicles sold in 69 that had the headlights in the " breakfast " In
the UK  at that time the date of registration was the key. There were a lot
of ex military vehicles sold thro the sixties and seventies which were
registered as the year of registration, a fact used by some ' dealers " to
imply that ex military " refurbished " LR's were newer than actual. n approx
1983 this practise was stopped with the start of the issue of Q plates for
vehicles which  were not manufacturesd in the year of registration and did
not have paperwork to prove a year of manufacture. If proof of manufacture
could be provided then the vehicle was registered for that year.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:11:59 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: 2a synchro transmissions.

Land Rover fitted synchro transmissions to late ser 2a's in 1970 / 71 as a
transition from the 2a to the 3. There was no mention made of this in the
sales, it was simply a means of aiding the switch by using all the parts up.
In the same way, late 2a 109 SW's were fited with the Salisbury axle because
they had used up all the  old type. The S 2a boxes still used the old style
clutch release mechanism. The parts lists clearly shows the parts available
for this model.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: For Sale on Vancouver Island (BC) Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:12:58 -0800

Found yet another classified paper with some treasures for sale:

This one sounds cool!
1972 Land Rover , Military Light Weight, 12 volt electronic ignition,
rebuilt motor, trans, springs, brakes, hardtop, Webber carb, free wheel
hub, electric fan, Kodiak heater.  $9500.00 obo

1966  LWB (109") Land Rover, not running, complete & original.  $980.00
obo

Both vehicles are located on Vancouver Island, British Columbia Canada

Prices are in Canadian dollars  x0.7 = $US

Usual disclaimers etc.

E-mail me if you would like the phone numbers...

Paul_Quin@pml.com

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 5 Feb 1998 23:28:51 -0000
Subject: hmmm. must be some altitude sickes going around.

or was that attitude sickness...

(just a test message for your amusement).

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From: "Dan Neale" <cddm01@cyberware.co.uk>
Subject: Perkins Diesel For Sale
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:23:39 -0000

I have a 4203 Perkins Diesel for sale plus the adapter kit for it to fit in
 a LR all for the bargin price of £550 ONO. It is in my SIII 109.  The
reason I am selling is because I am going to Uni and intend using my LR as
my only car selling Rover 827 to get some cash together.  The motor going
back in my LR is my 202 Holden petrol so I have more road speed. Anyone
interested can e-mail me at.
d_neale@cyberware.co.uk
or telephone me on 01945 466441
I am in Cambridgeshire, England

Dan Neale

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:21:00 -0700

I respond to Dixon Kenner,

Dear Dixon,

I will do my best to address your points...However, it may be tough with
only Half a Brain...but you know us Gen Xers...All sorts of Piss an Vinager
but not much else...

First as for LORA it is my understanding that as of last year they where
asking us if they could be a co-host of the National Rally...unfortunately
in order to accomodate them we would have had to become a charter of their
club...Not quite what we'd hoped for the Solihull Society. Other history
I'm just too young to care about.

As for the age of the hills...etc.  Old hills are great! They just don't
seem to pose much of a challenge for LR's. I might wonder what your travel
expeience has been in Colorado and the West. The aspect of swamps and
"muskeg"...(sorry, must be an east caost problem!)...is perhaps a wonderful
days drive. This does not however, parallel the forests, sand dunes,
rivers, creeks, and GLORY! of PURPLE MOUNTAINS MAJESTY. 

As for numbers in attendance. I agree you do get a great number of turnouts
at East Coast events. That's my point. If only a third of you came out more
often you might have the glorious time that the 17 vehicles from Georgia
had in Crested Butte, CO in 1996. I know that several of us from the west
have made the effort to attend events in your neck of the woods.

As for location and timing...The time we picked was very hard thought over.
August is our traditional time frame...However back in Sept. of 1997 when I
began requesting folks from the East to contact me so we could organize
something for the middle of the country and accomodate EVERY BODY. I was
ignored, shunned and or told that no one was ready to start thinking about
1998. 

As I was ready to start thinking...Because Porsche is 50 this year too...I
aimed for June. This accomplished several things. 1) It allowed all of aour
teachers to be able to attend. 2) It is wasn't conflicting with anything
planned by LRNA...which they subsequently called and asked my opinion about
their event and I advised them to go ahead with June 27th because I knew
that very few East Coasters would come regardless of DATE...3) In Colorado
during August is the annual National Porsche Week...they will be filling
every major resort location with over 1000 vehicles each...Those damn
crouts seem to have their S^%$ together on when, what, and why they want to
execute a rally!

The last week in June also allows an individual to take only 5 or 6 days of
Vacation and achieve a Colorado Vacation for His/Her family over the 4th of
July Holiday and still not get screwed by time lost to travel days!

As for money...You're right...It is a lot...However, over the pst three
years we as a club have suffered financially over the events we have held
for the LR community. Ya' See , I'm also one of those American B&^%$#@ who
feels Comrad So-and-So should pay his own way!
And for the record, if you are a SI it's not $130.00 it's $30.00...The
thiry in both cases is to allocate a One year subscription to the
newsletter...That will help us keep track of those folks who tend to be
hard to find but once every 50 years!

So...In all I really do love you East Coast Guys...Hell I'm one of those
rotten CA boys in Colorado...You guys make me look good out here!

Just stop feeling so personally affronted...If you can't joke with the guy
doing 50mph in the 75mph lane next to you...WHO CAN YOU JOKE WITH???

Love,
 John

----------
> From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 11:59 AM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> John "We hold the National Rally! We set the Pace!" Wood writes
> > It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to
break
> > with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The
East
> > Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.
> 	Hell, Sandy was only suggesting 300-400 vehicles for the ANARC
> Rally.  You are expecting 300 from the propoganda you have published.
> > The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond

Lahnam
> > The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the
greatest
> > land Rover environment in the Americans...It is a shame that your east
> > coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft
dairy-air
> > of those in The North!
> 	First, the greatest Land Rover environment would be one that
> offered the full range of terrains to try out.  Swamps, muskeg, close
> forest do not fit your bill.  (we don't have new mountains, just old worn
> ones, you have lost of sedimentary rock, we have shield).  We don't have
> the greatest environment either. Just different.  
> 	Second, you ask about how fit our vehicles are.  I would tend to
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> 	Let's see...  To start, you omit the fact that registration for
> the "National Rally" (Gee isn't it nice LROA blew it years ago and
allowed
> to to swipe the name of their rally...) is a cool $130 bucks, Greenbacks
> too!  (If your web site didn't have so many damn graphical images on it
> allowing it to load in a decent time frame I'd have stuck around to learn
> more about it...  Not everyone has a T1...)  $130 and your expected 300
> vehicles is quite a whack of cash.  Must be some rally with $39,000 to
> spend!  It seems like most us easterners are just a bunch of cheapskates
> (probably because our Rovers were probably exported via Scotland) used to
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> shine in Lanham, Maryland.  Northern easterners might want to try out the
> 9th (or is it tenth) Downeast Rally in Maine.  June.  (Add British Car
day
> in Bowie Maryland which is a *huge* show with 600-700 vehicles for a
> fifth event).
> 	There are *four* events to pick from.  Two are on the east coast. 
> It isn't our fault that you moved your rally from the third weekend in
> August (where it has sat for the past three years) to the last weekend in
> June.  If you had half a brain you would have done as these trashy
> (probably because our Rovers were probably exported via Scotland) used to
eastern
> clubs have done and co-operated and co-ordinated their scheduling efforts
> so conflicts don't occur...  If you had left your rally were it used to
> be, there wouldn't have been a problem.  Berating us because we have a
> choice where to head isn't that constructive.
> > Love always ..and good fun
> 	Yep... :-) As you wrote in December 1996 - "If we are to promote
> the power and prestige of the Land Rover tradition, we must be prepared
> rallies that have cost less in the past.
to
> develop the club and the events that maintain its position as the
national
> leader in Land Rover society.  We hold the National Rally, We set the
> Pace!".  Berating us poor storm tossed easterners for not falling into
> line may not be the best way to attact people.  To paraphrase Comrade
> Ivonova, "It is easier to attract flies with honey rather than vinegar".
> 	:-)
> 	Rgds & lottsa love,
> the power and prestige of the Land Rover tradition, we must be prepared
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> PS	Is the Rover Riders club participating enthusiastically in the
> rally?

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:35:39 -0700

Alan,

My Lad I will address only one commet of yours as I am developing carpel
tunnel and too much time on the list herts my marriage...

Since when are the People of BOSTON...More friendly than those in the
WEST...Hell you send half you kids out here to school to learn how to play
nice with eachother!!! :^)

Love,
John

----------
> From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 10:05 AM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> First mistake - Rover owner yes, friend of yours no.
> >It would seem that as long as the east coast contingent are able to
break
> >with their ego-centrism and truely Rover in the traditiobal sence; The
> East
> >Coast event will continut to propagate the largest numbers.
> Consider population and reality - then ask yourself why "truely (sic)
> Rovering" would possibly include driving cross country to a place where
the
> vast majority of rover owners ARE NOT.
> Egocentrism (there's no hyphen in that, by the way) has naught to do with
> reality. When you want to fish, don't go to the desert. When you want to
> Consider population and reality - then ask yourself why "truely (sic)
be
> with loads of other Rover owners, GO WHERE THE OTHER ROVER OWNERS ARE.
> I, for one, awould have no intention of blowing my yearly vacation to go
> reality. When you want to fish, don't go to the desert. When you want to
to
> some self-proclaimed "national" rally when I can visit with 10X MORE
> Roverites 5 hours from my home at 109 speeds.
> It is not a lack of will - more a surfeit of common sense.
> >The United States is a vast aray of beauty that extends far beyond
> Rovering" would possibly include driving cross country to a place where

Lahnam>
> >The desrets, mountains, and ranges of the West truely offer the greatest
> >land Rover environment in the Americans
> Lanham, MD? Ack. Nobody in their right mind goes there to off-road. Where
> are you getting your information?
> Forget I asked. Your Ouija board is obviously warped.
> Ever been Winter off-roading on trails in a pine forest? The ice and snow
> make for difficulties that make rocks pale in comparison. I might also
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> other type of off-road experience you might want.
> Oh, and did I mention I can get to most if not all of it within 4 hours
of
> my home in Boston? WhytheHell would I want to go across-country for it?
> >...It is a shame that your east
> >coast vehicles are unable to make the journey...Or is it the soft
> dairy-air
> >of those in The North!
> Of this insult I will say no more...I don't stoop to stupidity.
> Unable is not the word. Unwilling to bestir myself from the equivalent of
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> altitudes, horrid gas prices and a generally unfriendly population), no.
> Realize that if you need to taunt people and make them angry to get them
to
> show up at your events then there's a problem here. I won't even bother
to
> mention other little pecadilloes like your $130 registration fee and the
> like.
> Rethink your logic and try it again.
>           aj"Not amused"r
> Love always ..and good fun
> Of this insult I will say no more...I don't stoop to stupidity.
> Unable is not the word. Unwilling to bestir myself from the equivalent of

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:38:33 -0700

Larry,

Ay' Larry...The altitude for sure!@!  It plays tricks on the mind!

Dilusions of grandure it would seem!!!!!

But then I've always been full of piss and vinigar!

Yours'
John

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> From: Lodelane@aol.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Rallies. etc.
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 10:05 AM
> John,

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> John,
> Maybe its the "altitude" of the LROA and your esteemed representation of
that
> "prestigious" organization.
> Larry Smith
> Chester, VA
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 10:05 AM

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: 1998 National Rally
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:03 -0700

Registration Is Now OPEN!
FOR The
10th Annual /1998 US Land Rover National Rally
and
50th Anniversary Celebration

You are ALL invited to the 1998 Land Rover National Rally hosted by your
Solihull Society. This year marks a great milestone for the Land Rover
Marquee. Land Rover is 50 years old, and still going strong thanks to all
of you!

This year is also a benchmark for the Solihull Society as we celebrate the
10th year of hosting the US Land Rover National Rally.

Over the next few months you will be encouraged to register and prepare
your vehicles for Steamboat Springs, Colorado. The registration limit will
be set at 300 vehicles this year. In conjunction to this ALL Series 1
vehicles will be admitted for $30.00. This will be to cover a one-year
membership to the Solihull Society. The remainder of us will be paying
$130.00. This amount will include the traditional opening cocktail party,
the awards banquet, entry to the 50th anniversary Concourse, T-shirts, dash
plaques, and a one-year membership to the Solihull Society. (All existing
members will be asked to pay the full amount. A pro-rating of these
accounts will be made after the Rally. All members will then have one
anniversary date of July 1, 1998)

This year registrations will be taken from January 15, 1998 through May 1,
1998
No registrations will be accepted postmarked or received via the www page
after May 1, 1998.
All registrants will be notified and confirmed via mail during the month of
May 1998.

Registrations will be accepted in TWO ways Only.

1)	Via the Solihull Society Web Page.
WWW.SolihullSociety.org
2)	Via mail to the Solihull Society PO Box listed on the web page and
newsletter cover

We are STRONGLY encouraging the use of the www page this year.

Hotel Reservations

This year we have reserved a block of rooms/ condos at:

		Steamboat Resorts
		Contact: Beth Wilhelm
		800-525-5502

		Reference: Solihull Society
		Prices Range:		            	$69.00        max occ:  3
								    To
							$195.00      max occ:  10

Please remember to be courteous! It's the club name at stake, not just
yours!

Further details will be available on www.solihullsociety.org
Or by contacting K. John Wood    303-774-9225

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:02:51 EST
Subject: US state codes on lifts.
	[ Original post was HTML ]

(FYI, for US LROs) I came across this state by state truck lifting code c=
hart.=0AIt may interest someone. An interesting note is the Alaska bumper=
 requirement:=0AOEM must be used, I guess not a lot of ARB bumpers there.=
=0A=0A<A HREF=3D"http://www.truckworld.com/How-To-Tech/97-lift-laws/lift-=
laws.html">=0ALift-Laws And Your Pick-up Truck - By TRUCKWORL </A>=0Aor u=
se this URL:=0A=0Ahttp://www.truckworld.com/How-To-Tech/97-lift-laws/lift=
-laws.html=0A=0Apat.=0A93 110=0A

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:07:48 +0800 (SGT)
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Subject: Erratic Running Engine.

Hello,

Recently, my 2.6l 109 started developing strange symptoms that so far had
me stumped. I am refering this to the collective wisdom of the list with
hopes of finding a solution.

OK, the problem:
The engine runs smoothly when it is cold. However, it does not idle as
smoothly as before, showing signs of "hunting" or rythmic fluctuation of
engine speed. But after driving some 80 kilometres or so, it misfires when
accelerating up slopes or when I take corners aggressively. The problem is
difficlut to replicate effectively, such that every trip to the mechanic is
wasted. The only ingredients that can lead to it misfiring that I can say
for sure are - climb slopes with the engine hot.

Although it runs well getting me to work and back - a short 10minutes drive
- It seems that I cannot contemplate longer drives without worring about
the misfiring jugging my drive train to bits, or worse, breaking a conrod.

Judging from the symptoms I had suspected 2 possible causes:
                1) Fuel delivery
                2) Ignition

So far I have done the following withoutany success:
        1) replaced ignition coil, reset contact breaker gap,
        adjusted ignition timing
        2) adjusted fuel mixture, topped up the dashpot with oil
        3) adjusted the carb float height
        4) replaced fuel filter

What I have yet to do the following due to the expense but suspect them as
possible culprits:
        1) Change the electrical fuel pump
        2) Replace the carburettor
        3) strip the head to take a look at the valves.

Any thought kindly appreciated.

Cheers,
Lawrence Lee
'81 109 2.6l

Lawrence Lee, Art Director
Torque Class Magazine,
The Only Motor Magazine You Have to be Seen In
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:20:22 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Need help

Hopefully the crossfire won't be too bad.
TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Series III transmissions are all syncro.  It will bolt in,  You would
> need the series III clutch slave sylinder & mounting bracket.  Scotty
> can
> rebuild a series IIA box with full syncro gears.  As far as I know he
> is
> the only one in the world doing it.

Very late SIIA boxes in the UK were also all synchro. They were
basically SIII box internals with the SIIA input shaft and clutch
arrangement. From what I've read, a SIIA bell housing won't fit a SIII
box unless the input shaft is also swapped. Lindsay Porters restoration
book has a section on the conversion. I haven't heard before of anyone
converting a  SIIA box to all-synchro.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:34:21 -0500
From: Gavin Smith <GavinFSmith@compuserve.com>
Subject: Mayonaise in the oil

Message text written by INTERNET:Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
>From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
Subject: Series I - 2.0L Engine Woes
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:01:17 -0800

Any of you Series I fans out there.....help!

I've got a '57 SI 88" with a 2Liter engine that I thought (hoped) I was
nearing the end of the "working on it still" stage and moving into the
"playing with it now" stage.  Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling I'm
not.

Following my first real foray out onto the roads, about 50 miles or so
at speeds up to @45 mph I noticed a decrease in my oil pressure - from
@50 down to about 20.  When I got home I checked the oil level and found
a dipstick covered in a milky brown, somewhat foamy mixture that prior
experience (with another vehicle, not a Rover) had told me that I had a
water/oil mixture taking place (NOT a good thing).  This (previously)
was the result of a blown head gasket.  FYI, that milky brown crap was
also in the filler neck and in the breather cap on top of the valve
cover.  The water level in the radiator was down significantly.

Well, last weekend (2 weeks after I first noticed things) I pulled the
valve cover off - everything looks normal (nice brown smooth looking
oil), I pulled the oil pan off - everything looks normal (nice brown
smooth oil),  I pulled the exhaust valve cover off - everything
looks....okay, you get the point.  I (last resort) pulled the head off -
everything looks normal.  I can't find anything that looks broken nor
did the head gasket look "blown", and I can't figure out why the oil in
the system now looks just fine.  I can't believe that letting it sit for
2 weeks was enough for the oil to smooth out and go back to normal, and
I found no water in the oil pan.

I haven't dared (try to) fire it up since I put things back together,
but does anyone out there have any pearly words of wisdom for me?  =

Thanks for the help,

Mike MacDonald =

>From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>

Don't worry too much Mike, the frothy gluggy oil/water mixture (mayonaise=
>From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
found around
the breather can be a result of too many short runs.

The moisture that condenses in the block from the atmosphere is normaly
driven out
when everthing gets nice and hot. It stays and mixes with the oil if it
never gets hot enough.
Check that the thermostat isn't permanantly open, change the oil, and go
for a nice long drive.

Oh, but hang on, you did say the water level in the radiator was down
significantly......

BTW, I reckon the part of the car called breakfast, should be the back
axle.

Mine just had it's breakfast yesterday.......Bother !!!!!!! :-(

Cheers

Gavin Smith
ZL2ACT
66 SIIa, 202 cu in Holden 6 pack
Superwinch (Fairey) O/D

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:45:10 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: PTO question for the masses

Now that I have everything clean and ready to assemble when I get a
diagram, I have noticed
 that the shifting part (the part with the fork and handle) fits onto a
square body part.  The PTO  doesn't have any square areas so I assume
that it bolts to the top of the transmission where the square cover is
located, and that would explain why I didn't get a cover with the unit.
I guess you just reuse the cover from the transmission on the PTO unit.
Am I correct?  Also, what to I have to do in the transmission to attach
the drive.  I received a rather fancy sliding gear that fits on the end
of the shaft.  Does that just mesh with the drive gear in the
transmission without taking anything off the transmission other than the
rear cover where you normally put the OD unit?  For something so simple
I guess I have a lot of questions :-)  but I don't want to "hurt" my
toy.
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:43:10 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Mayonaise in the oil

Gavin Smith wrote:

:Following my first real foray out onto the roads, about 50 miles or so
:at speeds up to @45 mph I noticed a decrease in my oil pressure - from
:@50 down to about 20.  When I got home I checked the oil level and
found
:a dipstick covered in a milky brown, somewhat foamy mixture that prior
:experience (with another vehicle, not a Rover) had told me that I had
a:water/oil mixture taking place (NOT a good thing).

It may have been condensation mixing with oil vapor. Cold weather can
cause this as portions of the engine surface may not get hot enough to
drive off the water. If the engine is somewhat tired this condition is
agrivated by blow-by.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:49:13 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Along the lines of Late IIa-->III...

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> Other than that, are there any other distinguishing features? I gather
> they
> didn't use plastic grilles in 69? What about the instrument panel, was
> it
> central or over the steering wheel? What about the hole in the quarter
> panel,
> which side (for a RHD) and what shape? I'd just like to make sure for
> my own
> edification, as the lr was imported by some dodgy people.

SIIA: Gauges in metal panel, mounted in center of instrument panel. No
padding.
SIII:  Gauges in plastic "binnacle" mounted over steering wheel. Padded
instrument panel.

SIIA: brackets on cowl for windshield are single metal thickness.
SIII: backets are formed metal and around 1in/25mm wide.

Numerous other differences, but these are easy to spot, yet difficult to
change.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:46:02 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: PTO question
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:52:16 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Another PTO question

Is there any significance to the numbers 875637 on the body of the PTO
and 877383 on the shifter part.  They are very large and not like any
casting I have ever seen.  Can you install this thing upside down.
Don't laugh.  It has a slight shape difference in one direction but I
can't see why it was made that way.  I put all the new bearings in and
assembled it except for the oil seal that didn't fit so I distroyed it
trying.  I will get another locally.  It sure runs smoothly and after a
bath in a special solvent used when painting car bodies, it looks just
like new.  I think I will treat it to a new knob.  Does anyone know the
original color and shape of that knob.
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:26:34 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Another PTO question

Dave Place wrote:

>   Does anyone know the
> original color and shape of that knob.
> Dave VE4PN

Black, round

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:31:19 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: PTO question for the masses

Dave Place wrote:
>   For something so simple
> I guess I have a lot of questions :-)  but I don't want to "hurt" my
> toy.
> Dave VE4PN

So Dave, what'ya got planned for the PTO. I've got one, just need some 
ideas!

Con Seitl
1973 III "Pig"

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Date: 6 Feb 98 08:25:57 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Worn Engine

Any one has a 2.25 litre worn diesel engine.

I would like to tear this down just to learn about LR mechanics.

Thanks
Geoffrey

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:07:49 +0000
From: Roydon Woodford <roydon@landrover.org>
Subject: Re: PTO question for the masses

At 20:45 05/02/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Now that I have everything clean and ready to assemble when I get a
>diagram, I have noticed
> that the shifting part (the part with the fork and handle) fits onto a
>square body part.  The PTO  doesn't have any square areas so I assume
>that it bolts to the top of the transmission where the square cover is
>located,

Yes

 and that would explain why I didn't get a cover with the unit.
>I guess you just reuse the cover from the transmission on the PTO unit.
>Am I correct?  Also, what to I have to do in the transmission to attach
>the drive.  I received a rather fancy sliding gear that fits on the end
>of the shaft.  Does that just mesh with the drive gear in the
>transmission without taking anything off the transmission other than the
>rear cover where you normally put the OD unit? 

Yes, but make sure you get it the right way round (The bearings from the
cover go into the PTO)

 For something so simple
>I guess I have a lot of questions :-)  but I don't want to "hurt" my
>toy.
>Dave VE4PN
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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@FS1-KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:32:28 +0100
Subject:       Re: Stiff shift on now uprighted 88

Hello Adrian,

I agree with you that the engine and gearbox, having been
suspended sideways might have shifted in a new position.
I would try loosening up the gearbox- and engine-mounts 
in the meanwhile checking if nothing was bent or broken.

She also might have damaged the shif mechanism during the accedent 
or while climbing out of the vehicle, I would check that one first.

(just my two cents worth)

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:29:16 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Headlight location

>Headlights in the wings wre introduced in 1969 in the UK,
'68,Bill.Colleague here at work has one.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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