Land Rover Owner Message Digest Contents

[ First Message Last | Table of Contents | <- Digest -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]

The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Send Submissions Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net

From: "VAN STRAUBENZEE-CHARLES" <cvanstra@Ice.Lakeheadu.ca>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:08:26 EST5EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Date:          Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:55:09 -0800 (PST)
From:          owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com
Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
Subject:       The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>etc.) and it was held down with long strips of double sided sticky tape,
>which I'm now trying to get off. So far, I've tried a bottle called "GooGone"
>or "GoopGone" and Bug'N'Tar Remover, both of which turn the lines into a
>jelly which then smears everywhere... This stuff is hard to get off. Any
>ideas on lifting this tape goop?

> use WD-40 to get the goop off of office equipment after removing company logo stickers. It does take a little time and
a lot of rubbing but it did work well.

Another good method is white gas (camping gas) it works wonders on 
all sorts of sticky thicker types of things.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:33:32 -0500
From: Art Maravelis <amjas@gis.net>
Subject: LRW Feb98 issue

Greetings,

I'm in the process of ordering up a Salisbury 3.54 rear for my '72 Series 3
88 and was told that the Feb98 LRW has an article fitting one of these in an
88. I can't locate any issues near so can someone email me the article???

I spoke with Timm Cooper and looks like I'll be fitting a 350 in my 88 so
I'll keep you all posted with specifics. Now it's off to work...

Most grateful.

Art.
'72 S3 88
Boston, MA  USA

------------------------------

From: gehl@at.crane.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:26:13 +0000
Subject: 109 Diesel Question

Hello ,
I have been seeking a 109 for awhile (first and only LR).  I recently 
looked at a 109 2A"one ton" diesel.  What exactly does "one ton" 
mean?  Frame upgrade?  About a 109 diesel, just how slow is slow?  
How does it compare to the 2.25 petrol? Is it true the blocks are 
identical: 2.25 petrol vs diesel?  Are there any major differences 
throughout the 109 2A production that would make one select a 
particular year over another?  If this info is all available FAQ, 
please direct me.  If it is a list dreaded repeat topic, email me 
direct.  What sort of 109 2A can I get for $5kUS?
All comments appreciated!  Mark 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 9:18:33 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: 109 Diesel Question

If it's a gen-yoo-ine 1 ton, run, do not walk to your nearest checkbook 
and start scribbling. These are rare and desireable vehicles. If you are 
scared of the diesel because you think it's slow and noisy, don't be. 
You'll find after a short while of ownership that the diesel gives less 
trouble, and gets far better fuel economy than the petrol. In addition, 
it outperforms petrol engines in demanding off-road conditions due to its 
lack of vulnerable electrics and its low-end grunt. 
The one-ton incorporates heavier-dutier suspension and axles, driveline 
and chassis. These were not produced in great numbers. If this one is 
complete and a runner, I'd say BUY. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:30:51 EST
Subject: Re: 109 Diesel Question

In a message dated 2/3/98 9:21:28 AM, you wrote:

>If it's a gen-yoo-ine 1 ton, run, do not walk to your nearest checkbook 
>and start scribbling. These are rare and desireable vehicles. If you are 
>scared of the diesel because you think it's slow and noisy, don't be. 
>You'll find after a short while of ownership that the diesel gives less 
>trouble, and gets far better fuel economy than the petrol. In addition, 
>it outperforms petrol engines in demanding off-road conditions due to its 
>lack of vulnerable electrics and its low-end grunt.

I've got to agree with Bill on that. I saw a one ton 109 pickup in Lake City
FL. It had a "lincoln locker" in the real axle and would not be stopped with
its tall tires. I think it had 9.00x16 tires on it, and aside from getting the
job done, it looked great!

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 07:24:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Need help

TeA wrote...

>Series III transmissions are all syncro.  It will bolt in,  You would 
>need the series III clutch slave sylinder & mounting bracket.  Scotty can 
>rebuild a series IIA box with full syncro gears. 

Basically, one would either swap a SIII mainshaft and countershaft (that's 
layshaft to you brits) into the IIa case. A IIa bellhousing will fit straight 
up. You could probably just bolt a IIa bellhousing to a box that was already 
SIII.

> As far as I know he is the only one in the world doing it.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
This has to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this list.
RN has em...as do others I'm sure. 

later
DaveB
Arlington VA 
'72 88 Pastel Green

------------------------------

From: "Paul" <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:46:21 +0000
Subject: Re: rusting aluminium

> Ahh - humpler og duner - as we say in Danish

UHEee Wath ??? 
OHhe the language barrier !!  8^(         8^)

P.M.A. Snoek
the Netherlands
D90 Soft-top 2,5TD 1990
Email: P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl
URL: http://web.inter.NL.net/hcc/P.M.A.Snoek/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:09:59 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: 109 diesel 1 ton?

Dear all,
Wait a minute... they didn't make diesel 109 1 tons. They were all petrol,
They had 2.6's from 67-70, and 2.25's from 70-71 when they stopped making
them. I guess it could have been built by someone though. I guess it would
be cool, no matter what engine it had. If it was an actual 1 ton.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:24:01 +0000
Subject: Re: 109 diesel 1 ton?

So there shouldn't be any SIII 1 tons?

Stange, 'cos my SIII parts manual lists parts for the 1 ton. Transmission
parts in the manual tend to have variations for the 1 ton, and the "109V8"
(ie. Stage 1). It doesn't cover any forward controls, Lightweights, or
anything like that.

I would have thought a 1 ton with the original 4 cyl. diesel would have
been a bit sluggish, though...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

ecrover@midcoast.com on 02/03/98 04:09:59 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  109 diesel 1 ton?

Dear all,
Wait a minute... they didn't make diesel 109 1 tons. They were all petrol,
They had 2.6's from 67-70, and 2.25's from 70-71 when they stopped making
them. I guess it could have been built by someone though. I guess it would
be cool, no matter what engine it had. If it was an actual 1 ton.
From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:31:35 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Diffs

Garret Scott wrote:
> Con P. Seitl wrote:
> > Taking apart a diff for refurbishing, I'm told there is supposed to be 2
> > special bolts on the crown wheel. Yet, all the bolts that came out of
> > this crown are the same. Am I missing something?
> Yes, your are missing something, the two special bolts!

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 31 lines)]
> Garret Scott
> Knoxville, TN

 Well, seems that I've missed something, or rather, missing it 
altogether.  The bolts that came out of the crownwheel "were" the same. I 
checked. I also checked the shoulder to see if a couple had different 
dia. or lenghth, but didn't. So as per modus operendus, I read the 
manual. Reference is made to the special bolts, reasoning is as plain as 
the rust on my frame. Torque value is mentioned as the same for all bolts 
(35 ft lb). No mention of a locktite thread compound, but it's not a bad 
idea. Now I'll go and grab a used diff and tear it apart for a look-see. 
Gotta see these bolts!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:53:54 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: 109 diesel 1 ton?

>So there shouldn't be any SIII 1 tons?

No, very well could be. But my knowledge stops around SIIA, US spec. SIII
88's. A SIII 1 ton could very well exist, but not in the US market. ;-)

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Need help
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 10:57:34 -0600
From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>

>3.	When the rover was in idle, the oil pressure gauged read about
>40.  But when it was running it was near 50-55.   I know the ideal
>pressure should be around 20, is 40 too high?

Since nobody's addressed your oil pressure question.....

A pressure of 40 at idle, and 50-55 running is perfect.  Above 60 and you 
start blowing things out.  I bought my IIa new in 1970 and for the first 
15 years I went through 4 or 5 timing chains and many more tensioner pads 
(not to mention a few broken valves).  The oil pressure from the day I 
bought it (and I did replace the Lucas electric guage with a mechanical 
one) was 38 at idle and 45 at speed.  In the mid 80's I replaced the oil 
pump and instantly it improved to 40 idle/55 running.  In the last 14 
years I have not touched the timing chain once.  Lulubelle now has 
342,000 miles on her.

With the oil pressure too low, there wasn't enough to adequately keep the 
timing chain tight.  On decelaration the drop in pressure would allow the 
chain to slap, eventually wearing out the vibration dampener, stretch the 
chain, and in some cases, break it (this is where the bent valves come 
in).

I don't know who told you the ideal was 20 psi, but they're very wrong.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:24:14 +0000
Subject: Re: 109 diesel 1 ton?

Ahhh,  absence of information doesn't mean absence of object!

Its the old palaeontological gap.

ie. just because we haven't found any fossils of any dinosaurs from the
last 65 Million Years, doesn't mean they didn't exist during the last 65
Million Years!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

ecrover@midcoast.com on 02/03/98 04:53:54 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: 109 diesel 1 ton?

>So there shouldn't be any SIII 1 tons?
No, very well could be. But my knowledge stops around SIIA, US spec. SIII
88's. A SIII 1 ton could very well exist, but not in the US market. ;-)
From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:30:06 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: 109 diesel 1 ton?

>Ahhh,  absence of information doesn't mean absence of object!

Agreed! ;-)
Mainly it is just that Land-Rover and the stupid US gov. couldn't see eye
to eye to let any of the really cool Rovers, like SIII 1 tons etc. into the
US. :-(

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Re[2]: Need help
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 10:28:36 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

>> As far as I know he is the only one in the world doing it.
;                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>This has to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this list.
;>RN has em...as do others I'm sure. 
;>
>later
;>DaveB
;

Dave if I am not aware of anyone else building full syncro IIA gear boxes 
the only thing you should find ridiculous is my ignorance of other people 
doing the same thing.  Rather than ridiculing me, I would have 
appreciated your providing me with information.

Ridicule never gets you anywhere positive in life.

TeriAnn Wakeman 
Santa Cruz, California

NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS twakeman@cruzers.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:09:01 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Oil Pressure

So, all this talk about oil pressure in the prospective IIA purchase has
me worried.

My pressure is 20-30 at idle, and 60-80 at speed when I'm topped off. 
Should I have a look at my oil pump?

C

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:17:15 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure

> So, all this talk about oil pressure in the prospective IIA purchase has
> me worried.
> My pressure is 20-30 at idle, and 60-80 at speed when I'm topped off.
> Should I have a look at my oil pump?

Mine runs at 55-60 always even when I'm a quart or two low.

------------------------------

From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:12:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure

Don't sweat it. If it passes the LR spec of 45-65 at 2500 RPM warm you're
within specification.

20 does seem a bit low - are you sure you're idling at the proper level? I
know my 109 does this if I mess up setting the idle...

                    ajr

------------------------------

From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:14:50 EST
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure

In a message dated 2/3/98 2:11:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dow@thelen.org
writes:

<< My pressure is 20-30 at idle, and 60-80 at speed when I'm topped off. 
 Should I have a look at my oil pump? >>

Hi Chris,

Your pressure sounds ok to me.  I believe the pressure is supposed to be 40 at
2000 rpm.  But if you want to have a look, it's not a hard task.  Just a
little messy.

Nate

------------------------------

Subject: Re: rusting aluminium
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 20:31:57 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>UHEee Wath ??? 
>OHhe the language barrier !!  8^(         8^)

Oops ,didn't want to spread out too much confusion about the most common 
thing on Land Rovers.

Try to keep it simple next time ;-)

Marc Rengers                mr@grant.media-gn.nl
Westeremden, Holland        
http://www.minerva.fk.hanze.nl/landrover/index.html
Tel: (+31) 0596-551334      Pager: (+31) 06-59111461

    #=========#                 #=========#         
    |_______|__\___             |_______|__\___     
    |  _    |   |_ |}           |  _    |   |_ |}   
    ""(_)"""""""(_)"            ""(_)"""""""(_)"
   1987 110"  300 TDi            1968  109"  2.25   
    diesel VS-GG-16           petrol unknown reg.     
was a StaWag (RH-12-PF)    soon with the 2.5 n/a diesel
    and 2.5 n/a diesel     ! rebuild already started !

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner International (great magazine)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:32:43 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure

If your pressure guage is electrical - check that the power supply is
via the instrument panel voltage stabilisor (the small unit on the back
of the speedometer/petrol guages which also feeds the fuel guage and
temperature guage.

If the oil pressure guage is fed directly, its response will be
proportionate to the power supply voltage, which at idle is notticeably
less than at full revs - therefore the guage will possibly "lie".

Otherwise don't worry - its not that abnormal!

Adrian Redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
---------------------------------------------------
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
---------------------------------------------------
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk
---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:30:14 EST
Subject: Re:  109 1ton

I was wish-looking through the RN parts book and on the Suspension Page (38?)
there are all sorts of listings that read <109" 1 ton & military>, So, perhaps
some of the military 109s are 1 tons, and mebbe some of those are diesel?

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Valve Clearance Question
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:45:08 -0800

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:46:34 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Valve Clearance Question

> When folks say, don't set the valves too tight, err on the loose side,
does
> that mean with a loose .010 or a tight .010?

Back when I bought my Series III new in 1973, I was quite concerned
about valve noise.  Whenever I heard the rockers ticking I'd pull the
valve cover and check all the clearances.  Within the first year of
owning the vehicle  I met a mechanic who worked on all the Land Rovers
owned by the Parker Ranch (cattle) on the island of Hawaii.  His theory,
since echoed by people I've met in the UK, was that if you couldn't hear
the valve train in a Land Rover engine there was something wrong with
it.  So I relaxed and started checking the valve clearances a couple of
times a year.  For the first ten years of its life it was my only
vehicle and I drove it every day.  It never missed a beat in all those
years and never burned any oil (other than the oil that seeped down
through the valve guides after the engine was switched off).  The fact
they call out the clearance as .010 hot or cold indicates the engine's
designers weren't losing any sleep over the accuracy of the valve
clearances.

For 25 years I've set the valve clearances with the engine cold simply
because I don't want to get burned.  The only valve problems I've ever
had were two burned exhaust valves at about 125K miles.  Whether this
was the result of switching to a Rochester carburetor for awhile (the
burned valves were in cylinders 2 and 3) of if it was just the natural
course of events I have no idea.  Other than the burned valves and
normal wear on the cylinder walls, the engine was in beautiful shape
when we opened it up.  The tops of all four pistons were clean and there
was virtually no carbon buildup anywhere.

I use a sliding fit of the .010 feeler, and if I err at all it's on the
loose side.  Like the man said, if you can't hear the valve train,
there's something wrong...

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 15:23:52 EST
Subject: Re[4]: Need help

>Dave if I am not aware of anyone else building full syncro IIA gear boxes 
>the only thing you should find ridiculous is my ignorance of other people 
>doing the same thing.  Rather than ridiculing me, I would have 
>appreciated your providing me with information.

Ahem. To say somebody is "the only person in the world" is such a huge blanket
statement that I would make absolutely sure it was true before I used it. Even 
the "as far as I know" disclaimer doesn't make it viable.
I've been wrong before on the list, but I don't bitch if somebody busts me for 
it.
And besides, if I do get dissed, I probably deserve it, like now.

>>Ridicule never gets you anywhere positive in life.

Neither does not having a sense of humor.

ok I'll shut up now. 
DaveB

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:30:33 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure

Thanks everyone.  My guage is the pain-in-the-ass dual mechanical type
(you know, you have to drain some coolant to change it!).  The guage
response is quite nice since I got a rebuilt one.  It sounds like I'm
OK.   As some suggested, I do idle very low sometimes.  I think what
I'll do is clean out the pan when I replace the gasket after things dry
out around here (I hate rolling around in puddles of oil floating on
water!).  We'll see if it's more normal then.  

Thanks again,
C

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:16:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Abercrombie <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Shifting

Does anyone know what would cause the inability to shift into first or
second gear when at a stop.  It is possible to shift into third and then
into either first or second, but not into either directly.  It doesn't seem
to matter if I have downshifted to the stop or had it in neutral using the
brakes to stop.  Oh, I guess it would help to know that it is a IIa.
This also sometimes doesn't happen if the truck has not had a chance to warm up.
Any thoughts?

Matt Abercrombie
'69 SWB
Belfast, Maine USA

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Oil Pressure
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 15:05:08 -0600
From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>

>My pressure is 20-30 at idle, and 60-80 at speed when I'm topped off. 
>Should I have a look at my oil pump?

The idle's not as important as the road pressure.  One question...  are 
you still relying on the original Lucas electric oil guage?  If so, get a 
hydralic.  Your numbers could be meaningless.  However, if you are 
pumping 60-80, that is way too high.  Your oil pump has a pressure bypass 
valve.  It may need to be cleaned or replaced.  It's a small part.  I 
doubt if you need a whole pump assembly.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:38:03 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Rallies. etc.

K. John Wood of the Solihull Society wrote:

>Sorry to disapoint you but I am planning that the National Rally will be
>the LARGEST ROVER EVENT OF 1998. Also planned for the weekend of June 25-
>27th.
>Hope that you won't be upset that we are taking all of the rovers from
>your little show :^).....HA HA!

It won't be my show, rather Land Rover North America has one scheduled for
that weekend in Lanham...the same week as Downeast.  If you *really* want
to compare numbers, the Solihull Society's "national" rally has yet to
reach the attendance that the Mid-Atlantic Rally had four years ago, and
we've been growing ever since.  As for the 50th Anniversary Rally at Greek
Peak, NY on August 1 & 2, it is a cooperative effort between the largest
and oldest clubs on the continent: Ottawa valley, Bay State and ROAV.  (We
are planning for 300-400 vehicles and possibily many more.)  Cheers

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:38:07 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Newsletters

Dixon Kenner wrote:
>Ottawa Valley (never missed a monthly issue since establishemnt in 1984),
>Rover Owners of Virginia (To my knowledge not only never missed a
quarterly >issue, but has produced extra issues during the year since 1974
(Way to go >Sandy!)),

Thanks for the vote of confidence Dixon, and though ROAV has been around
since the seventies, I've only been doing the newsletter since 1988.  You
and OVLR hold the record for "longest continuous newsletter *on time*"
Keep up the good work....  Cheers

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 16:34:05 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Oil Pressure

>Thanks everyone.  My guage is the pain-in-the-ass dual mechanical type
>(you know, you have to drain some coolant to change it!). 

draining coolant/PITA factor:
solution: bucket under front axle under drain plug in rad.
funnel 'tween axle and tie rod, over bucket!
WOn't spill a drop, i promise!
later
DaveB

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:50:37 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: timing

>.If I don't move the distributor housing, can I just change the points,
>condensor and rotor without adjusting the timing?

Only if you set the points gap the same on  the new set.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:47:23 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Events for 98

Dear all and club heads. I've had quite a few calls recently about events
so I am
trying to put our rally/ event calender up to date for the New England
area. If I have missed any please let me know the details... 1, so I can
go! ;-) and 2, so I can post the info. on our events page.

mid June OVLR Birthday party
June 27 LRNA 50th
July 9-12 Tea Pond LR Rally, Maine
Aug 1-2 ANARC 50th, NY
Aug 8-9 Owls Head LR Rally, Maine
Sept. 12-13 Off Roadeo, Maine
Sept. ??? Brit. Invasion

Thanks greatly in advance for any info. on events! or for someone telling
me where all this info. might be listed already. :-)

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

------------------------------

From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Adds from Vancouver Buy & Sell
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:54:19 -0800

The following adds are from the Vancouver, BC Canada Buy & Sell
classifieds

64 LANDROVER Series IIA 88 $7900; 1957 Series I 109 $2500; 1954 Series I
107 $500; 1951 Series I 80 $2200,
 

NEW 48-56 Rover 6 cyl & 48-56 Landrover 4 cyl, LH tie rod end $35. 

Please e-mail me for phone numbers...

Usual disclaimers

Paul
Victoria, BC  Canada

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Need help
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 16:44:09 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

>>Dave if I am not aware of anyone else building full syncro IIA gear boxes 
>>the only thing you should find ridiculous is my ignorance of other people 
;>>doing the same thing.  Rather than ridiculing me, I would have 
;>>appreciated your providing me with information.
;>Ahem. To say somebody is "the only person in the world" is such a huge 
;>blanket
;>statement that I would make absolutely sure it was true before I used 
it. 
;>Even 
;>the "as far as I know" disclaimer doesn't make it viable.
;>I've been wrong before on the list, but I don't bitch if somebody busts 
me 
;>for 
;>it.
;>And besides, if I do get dissed, I probably deserve it, like now.
>>Dave if I am not aware of anyone else building full syncro IIA gear boxes 
;
;>
;>ok I'll shut up now. 
;>DaveB

So just what does the phrase "As far as I know" mean to you?? ANYTHING???

I was making a blanket statement about the state of my own knowledge of a 
subject.  I wasn't trying to make an authoritative statement of something 
being absolutely true.  Have you considered the concept of reading an 
entire sentence?  Is there a problem understanding a complete sentence?

But since you make your self out to be an expert on the subject of who 
makes and sells IIA transmissions modified to be all syncro, who makes & 
sells them? I just checked, and full syncro series IIA transmissions are 
not listed in current Rovers North, Atlantic British nor British Pacific 
catalogues.

TeriAnn Wakeman 
Santa Cruz, California

NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS twakeman@cruzers.com

------------------------------

Subject: Mark Gehl 3
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 16:50:00 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date:        02/03  12:07 PM

------------------------------

Subject: mark gehl - 2
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 16:55:26 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to excel.atd.crane.navy.mil.:
>>> RCPT To:<gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>
<<< 550 <gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>... Relaying Denied
550 <gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>... User unknown

;>TeriAnn,
;>I just took a peek at the listing of Series IIA changes.  There are 
;>so many!  Which changes are worthy of real consideration in
;>selecting a 109 IIA?  

Personally, I think 1966 and 1967 were the best two years as far as the 
parts mix is concerned. Series I & series II 109s had the hard to get 
parts for 2L 
engine.  They had the weaker swivel ball pins.  '66 was the last year LR 
came into the US with inboard lights.  It was the first year with the new 
steering box (that you can still get parts for).

The NADA '67 came with the petrol 6 cylinder & has a different firewall 
with space to fit longer engines.  It lends itself to US six cylinder 
conversions.  It is also the first year with the single wiper motor 
system.  I very recently converted my 109 to a single motor system.  The 
motor is more powerful and the wipers function a lot better.  Its also 
the first year with the headlights on the wings.  I prefer the inboard 
placement for esthetic reasons.  Unfortunately, I have never seen a 2 
door '67 NADA (North American Dollar Area) 109 two door.  I much prefer a 
2 door to a four door.

'67 was the last year that 109s were imported into the US.

>BTW, do you run 16" wheels?
;
As far as I know, all 109s in North America came from the factory with 16 
inch wheels.  I replaced my stock rims a few years back with a newer 
stamped steel rim from Rover.  Its the 
same rim that the US spec Discovery uses as a spare.  Its 7 inches wide.  
This is 
wider than the original rims allowing for a greater choice in tyres.

>  Bias or radial tires?
;
I would only use radials these days.

>  What size?
;
The 109s came from the factory mostly shod with 750X16s.  With the wider 
rims I currently use the same tyres that came on the '94 US spec D90s, BF 
Goodrich Mud Terrain 260/70-16s.  Considering the amount of rain we are 
getting now & all the mud slides it's a good choice for this week ;*)
>Mark

TeriAnn Wakeman 
Santa Cruz, California

NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS twakeman@cruzers.com

------------------------------

Subject: Mark Gehl - 1
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 17:13:49 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to excel.atd.crane.navy.mil.:
>>> RCPT To:<gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>
<<< 550 <gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>... Relaying Denied
550 <gehl@at.crane.navy.mil>... User unknown
;>TeriAnn,
;>I am on the horns of a dilemma.  I have been a list lurker and LR 
;>seeker for years, never have owned one.  I have now available to 
;>me a '66 2A 109 "one ton" diesel, 40k miles, no top, virtually no 
;>rust, 16 inch wheels, $6kUS.  Concerns: diesel being very slow,

The 2-1/4L petrol is too slow for my tastes & I have been living with one 
for 20 years as of this year.  The diesel is a LOT slower on the roads & 
are 
only superior in performance below 2,200 RPM.  The Diesel's milage is 
better and water spray will not stall it out.  People who like diesels 
really like them.  Those of us who want more preformance don't.  Its real 
personal.  However, you can always swap engines down the road if you 
decided that you are not a diesel dan type.  its a VERY easy swap and 
would give you a chance to move up to a 2.5L petrol if you want.  Try a 
diesel, you might like it.

>cost of a top,
;
Full tops for 2 door 109s can be very hard to find in the US.  There are 
lots of 
roofs in the US, its the side of the tops that are hard to find.  You 
could order a used set from the UK, Rovers north will probably have a 
pair sitting around.  I am the only one I presently know with a complete 
109 full top sitting around (I recently made a custom set of sides & 
mounted a Dormobile top).  I don't now where you are located but I could 
part with my old top or a plea over the main list could turn up several.

> the need for brake hydraulic work,
;
Hydraulic work on LRs are not that bad.  I have been completely through 
mine a few times & have even upgraded it to very late IIA 109 specs.

> and vehicle price (firm). 
For a running 109 two door, with straight body, completeish, & with a 
good frame $6K is actually a good price these days. 

>I can find only a smidge of rust at rear.  What does "one 
>ton" really mean?

I'm not an expert on this.  A lot of people put 1 ton springs and the 
extended shackles under a 109 and call them 1 tons.  I think that there 
is more to it than that, but I'm not sure what.  Actual factory 1 tons in 
the US are very 
rare from what I understand.

>  The seller would like to move it quickly.  It is 
>reasonably close and I have sought a 109 for quite a while ... but I 
>have always looked locally.  If I widen my search to all of NA, would 
>I do better?

109 two doors are hard to find in the US.  Before Rover returned to the 
US and before Rovers North & British Pacific were around, old LRs were 
worth less than the cost of rebuilding an engine.  A lot of the 109 two 
doors got converted into trailers.  If you found a complete running car 
with a good body for $6K I think it is a good deal these days.

>  I think you mentioned having a 109.  Do you have a 
>single hydraulic braking system.
;
It originally came with a single system.  I have upgraded it to a dual 
power brake system.  Its 1984 LR 109 spec now.

>  What is your opinion of the need 
>and feasibility of swapping to a dual circuit system?
;
Been there, done that.  I have completed the research & would be happy to 
share.  It requires a bit of body cutting but not much. My car stops 
faster with less pedal pressure than it did, so I'm happy.  I have had 
complete system failure twice from pin hole leaks in the years when I had 
a single circuit system so I have more peace of mind with the dual 
system. 

>Have you ever owned or driven a LR diesel?
;
No and I doubt I ever will.  It would have to be something more powerful 
than any LR deisel I have yet seen.  And yes I have seen the 300 tdi in 
action.  I just like more power.  But please understand that this is a 
PERSONAL preference.  You may just fall in love with the diesel.  Never 
sell them short where you have to lug an engine.

>  Are pickup tops even available?   
;
Yes.  My car was a pickup when I first purchased her.  I swaped to a full 
hard top so I could keep stuff dry during the rainy season.  Pickup tops 
are rare but they can be found. 
;
>I have sent a more generalized version of this to the list.  You have 
;>provided valuable insight to me in the past, so I seek your direct 
;>opinion.  

Thanks, I hope this has helped.

;>...most important to keep a reign on emotion during these times ...
;>Mark

Keeping a reign on my emotions was never one of my better tricks. Hard to 
do with both Scott and French blood. I guess it more than offsets the 
influence of my English and Welsh blood.  

Remember, you can always swap out the diesel later if you do not like it. 
 Who knows, maybe you will turn into a diesel dan?

TeriAnn Wakeman 
Santa Cruz, California

NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS twakeman@cruzers.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:57:02 +0000
From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: (Fwd) Range Rover Family Need Some Help!!
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From:          Vince Cianci <auction@infonline.net>
> Subject:       Range Rover Family Need Some Help!!

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)]
> Sick to our stomach!
> the Cianci's

------------------------------

From: "Mitch" <mstockdale@pop3.mho.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:06:02 +0000
Subject: Three Items.

Lots of Talk about going into the gearbox.  

First IT IS EASIER THAN YOU WOULD THINK.

A few years (1992) ago I suddenly got a loud thumping noise out of my 
gearbox.  First idea was to drain the 90 wt and see what comes out.  
Bits and Pieces of a roller bearing.  It was only a $11.00 US part so 
I thought for $11.00 I'll fix it myself, although a bit scared to go 
inside the gearbox, I figured what the Hell its a LR and can't be too 
hard.  New Galv. Frame (see crossmember) got the gearbox OUT very 
easily.  Gearbox came apart easily with the Haynes manual at my side. 
Change the bearing and thought all was well.  Well it was a BITCH 
with a capital B top put back in.  Oh well I finally got it.  Fast 
forward to last month.  1'st gear goes south.  So I commence to 
pulling out the B again.  This time I do it piece by piece. Overdrive 
then Transfercase, then gearbox.  open her back up, gear change is 
easy.  Reassembly into the Red Dinosaur is very easy - Piece by 
Piece.  I recomend to all, do it piece by piece, ie Gearbox, transfer 
case, OD.  Its a one man job vs three.  Oh and by the way do it the 
way real men do - From above.  (that removeable crossmember is a 
bunch of BS.)  ever wonder why the boys at Mansfield don't bother
cleaning the Galv of the bolts.? (its useless)  Personal opinion 

The main thing is that if you go that far, ie opening the beast up;
1.0 Buy a full gasket set first.
2.0 Buy/Replace all of the out/in put seals.
3.0 Replace the Clutch.
4.0 Replace the bearings, at least the one on the end of the main 
shaft.  If you don't replace a $11.00 part then you'll kick yourself 
a hundred times later.
5.0 Don't just take out just the floor boards, get the seatbox as 
well.

Okay last item.  

This morning I saw a newer RR painter yellow with lots of graphics.  
Reads Vermont TReK 97.  What is this, way cool/expensive toy.

J. Mitchell Stockdale

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:39:25 EST
Subject: Re:  Three Items/RR TreK

In a message dated 2/3/98 9:08:41 PM, J. Mitchell wrote:

>Okay last item.  
>This morning I saw a newer RR painter yellow with lots of graphics.  
>Reads Vermont TReK 97.  What is this, way cool/expensive toy.

 I saw these being put together at LRNA last August (after we went around the
amusement ride). Then I saw them in action on ESPN2 today at 4pm EST. They
were used in a dealership vs. dealership event that consisted of bike riding,
canoe paddling, off road driving and weiner roasting. Well, ok, I'm not sure
about the weiner roasting but it looked like a Camel Trophy wannabee event,
with just about as much real benefit to humanity, IMHO. I'm sure it was way
more fun to actually be using one of those RRs as opposed to watching it on
ESPN2; their coverage didn't really seem to highlight the way cool rover so I
put on PBS and took a nap.

They got yellow paint all over, even the wheels. And enough Hella lamps to get
an automatic subscription to the CSO list. Maybe in LRNA's infinite wisdom,
they've found a way to use some RRs in the dirt then sell them for more money
after the dealership got to play with them? I saw a Disco TReK for sale down
here last year, they coolest thing about it were the stick shift and the skid
plates, kinda like the XD.

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Subject: Lodge Spark Plugs
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:12:55 -0600

Hello to everyone.  Does anybody know if Lodge Spark Plugs, the brand
originally fitted by Rover to Series I's and Series II's, are (either as
new or new old stock) available anywhere?  Thanks in advance.  Brian

------------------------------

From: "Steve & Leona Campbell" <campbell@zeta.org.au>
Subject: Re: JB needs help
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:30:14 +1100

JB, I agree with all below and can add that the S3 box is not as good as the
IIA, it is not as strong (it's based on a rover car box) I've broken 2 of
the things and now use earlier boxes and put up with the lack of synchro. It
gets easier with practice!
Steve

>JB needs help:
>Sound like a nice truck to me.
>You will need to use first gear at some point--starting on hills or
>off-roading etc.  First gear definitely should have some 'bearing whine'
>but it shouldn't sound like it is grinding.
>If you want syncro'd 2nd gear, you'll have to swap in a Series III
>transmission.  I don't think that the Series II box is upgradable.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
>If you're serious about buying the car, consider taking it to a shop for
>a pre-purchase check.  But keep in mind that it is a Land Rover...

------------------------------

From: "Steve & Leona Campbell" <campbell@zeta.org.au>
Subject: Re trip to Junque Yard (Wreckers in Aust)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:01:58 +1100

Jeff,
Thanks for your tips re: z car lights. In answer to your query on seats, I
haven't used that type but I did fit Alfasud seats to my S3, they were
great, low profile, comfy and held body in place very well. I did have to
make a new seat base(hinged at the front) in order to access the Battery and
boxes under the seat area.

A thought in wiring the clock, are 2 of the wires supposed to go to
permanent power so the clock keeps going and 2 to the regular ignition power
for some king of internal light?. Most car stereos are wired that way.

On the subject of wiper motors do you or anyone out there know if VW wiper
motors are suitable for fittting to a S1? I think It's been done before but
not sure.
Steve

>Question 1:  I wasn't really looking for seats - my stock seats aren't too
>bad, and the glue from the rolled-ver edges of the duct tape holds my butt
in
>place on tight corners - but I came across an old Midget with a pair of
decent
>tilting seats with headrests.  The vinyl is a durable thickness, and the
>width/thickness looks just right.  Has anybody used Midget seats in a
Series?
>Question 3:  This is rather embarassing, but I bought a digital electric
clock
>or my new console.  It's in place and looks good (too good, actually).
 BUT -
>there are four wires for this device.  Can anyone tell me how to wire this
>thing up?

------------------------------

From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:57:53 EST
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award)

Okay, Richard...I'll go for this one. What's Kitchen Gate?

Charles (infamous for my twisted sense of humor)

------------------------------

From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:03:23 EST
Subject: Re: 109 Diesel question/SPYDERS

Hey Pat,

I tried to read your post on the above topic, but the AOL Ministry of
Information won't let me read it.

What did you say, to kick their heads?

Charles

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:23:37 +0000
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award)

Cherie Blair had a new kitchen in 10 (or 11), Downing Street.

(that's it - I said they were bored)

How Cherie has time to cook, I don't know.
I think the Tories tried to make a fuss, but it sounds like its traditional
when the Prime Minister changes.

No news.

Now we have Peter Davis (Lottery Watchdog) - was he pushed or did he
resign? We  all know he was sacked, but no one will admit it. Still its not
worth the hassle of the interviewer on the radio this morning, adamant he
was going to get his boss to admit he sacked him.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

CIrvin1258@aol.com on 02/04/98 08:57:53 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award)

Okay, Richard...I'll go for this one. What's Kitchen Gate?
Charles (infamous for my twisted sense of humor)

------------------------------

  END OF * LIST DIGEST 
 Input:  messages 46 lines 2102 [forwarded 161 whitespace 0]
 Output: lines 1541 [content 1317  forwarded 127 (cut  34) whitespace 0]

Digest Messages Copyright 1990-1999 by the original poster or/and Empire Rover Owners Society, All rights reserved. Photos & text Copyright 1990-1999 Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved. Empire/LRO List of charges for Empire/LRO Policies against the distribution of unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM). Empire/LRO fees for the distribution of unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM). Frequently Asked Questions
<--Back	HOME	TOP	Forward -->	height=31 width=88 alt="Made with Macintosh" border=0>