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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:08:28 EST
Subject: Re: gearbox

In a message dated 1/26/98 8:17:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wleacock@pipeline.com writes:

a
 drivable vehicle without dismantling. Visual inspection of the stripped
 gearbox by SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT is highly recommended

Thanks Bill, 
(Important parts have been highlighted)

Nate

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:50:07 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: 101 Drive train??

Hi All,
 Well  having no experience with 101's I need to call on the experience
of the list.  Is it possible for some one to tell me if a 109 drive
train would fit in a 101 LR?   I realize it would be under powered with
only a 2.25 but I am concerned about the transmission fittine as well as
the axles.  Other then pictures in LRO I have not been close to a 101 to
guess to mate the drive train.
--
Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:05:22 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 101 Drive train??

car4doc wrote:
> Hi All,
>  Well  having no experience with 101's I need to call on the experience
> of the list.  Is it possible for some one to tell me if a 109 drive
> train would fit in a 101 LR?   I realize it would be under powered with
> only a 2.25 but I am concerned about the transmission fittine as well as
> the axles.  Other then pictures in LRO I have not been close to a 101 to
> guess to mate the drive train.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> --
> Rob Davis_chicago
One difference is that the axles are mounted on top of the springs on a
101 and under on a 109. The front axle is a salisbury rather than a
rover one. I suspect that the engine and gearbox mounts wouldn't be in
the right place. Not a bolt in job but all could be sorted out.
   John and Muddy

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From: LndRvr SC <LndRvrSC@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:09:00 EST
Subject: SII sighting

Hi all,
 I was in Lexington S.C.(Lake Murray) Sun. the 25 and saw a SII (Green, Roof
rack) . Was it anyone on the list? These are very rare around here. 

 Greg Edwards
  95 Discovery 

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: SII sighting
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:18:55 -0500

Since we're on the topic of LR sightings in South Carolina and towing I'd
thought I'd kill two birds:

On 12/30/97, I passed an early 90's RR towing a late IIA - III 109" on
Highway 26 (The 109 was on a flatbed).  The 109 was green and they were
heading west (I was heading east - hence the lack of details).

Kevin

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:27:44 +0000
Subject: BP - addenda

After finding http://www.britishpetroleum.co.uk/
You have to select one of the options on the "homepage"  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:44:03 +0000
Subject: BP

Someone at work has just shown me:   http://www.britishpetroleum.co.uk/

:-)

Bad way to treat a Rover V8, but the owner has some guts!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Ian Otty <imo@kerridge.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 12:26:44 GMT
Subject: MACH 5 wheels?

Does anybody on the list know who makes these wheels or who can 
supply them in the UK?

I have seen them frequently in photos in LROI.

Many thanks,

Ian Otty
(S3 SWB hybrid)

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Gearbox question
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:44:47 -0800

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:34:25 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Gearbox question

>The Series Land Rover transfer case is VERY strong, but if you want the
transfercase to be quiet, and it can be very quiet, you must make
certian of several things:

>1. Don't install a fairy overdrive.  If you do, you might as well
forget
making anything quite, tight, or long lasting in the gearbox.

I don't think I agree with this statement at all.  I bought my Series
III-88 new in 1973 and still drive it today.  It probably has about 150K
miles on it (the speedometer/odometer broke in the Yukon Territory in
1977 at 85K miles and I've never replaced it).   About a year after I
bought the vehicle I installed a Fairey overdrive.  The only problem
I've ever had with the transmission is the joint seals finally wore out
in the early 1980s and the joints started seeping oil pretty badly.  I
had the transmission overhauled primarily to have new joint seals
installed.  But there were no internal problems in the transmission, and
none have developed since the overhaul.  It's certainly not quiet, but I
would not agree that the installation of the overdrive shortened the
life of the transmission.  With the exception of the case joint seals
and the bushings/bearings that were replaced simply because it was easy
to do so with the box apart, the transmission on my vehicle is still
original and still in perfect working order.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Subject: Re:  Importing Land Rovers
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:45:38 -0600
From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.psa.pencom.com>

"C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com> wrote: 

> According to the copy of the 1997 pamphlet on importing vehicles to the US
> put out by US Customs, you are allowed to import a non-US-spec vehicle only
> if it is at least 25 years old.  That means the newest Land Rover you can
> import without any restrictions is a 1973 Series III or Range Rover.  

	To the best of my knowledge the 25 year rule is to the date of 
manufacuture of the vehicle.  I.E, if I had a Land Rover at customs today
(27 January 1998), the Land Rover would have to have been built on or before
26 January 1973 to be legal under the 25 year rule.
 
> So a Defender 110 made in the UK in 1994 must
> not only meet all US emission specs, it must meet the safety specs
> including rollover requirements, which is why the 500 Defender 110s
> imported in 1993 have that silly external roll cage.

	If you look at the National Highway Safty Transportion Adminsitration's
web site, you will find an interesting web page at:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/elig9801.html

It title is "List Of Nonconforming Vehicles Decided To Be Eligible For 
Importationas of January 1, 1998"

	The section lists 49 USC 30112 (25 year rule) and 49 USC 30141
(which says that younger then 25 vehicles may imported if brought up to
standards).

	The only Land Rover listed on this list is the 1993 Defender 110.
With an eligibility number of 212 and is listed as:
    "'VSP' eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be 
    eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a
    manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a substantially 
    similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists. "

	So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.

Ben
Benjamin Smith-----------bens@colltech.com----------Land Rover: '72 SIII 88"
Collective Technologies (a pencom company)                      '94 Discovery

"..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Subject: Re: 101 Drive train??
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:03:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

 Hi All,
  Well  having no experience with 101's I need to call on the experience
 of the list.  Is it possible for some one to tell me if a 109 drive
 train would fit in a 101 LR?   I realize it would be under powered with
 only a 2.25 but I am concerned about the transmission fittine as well as
 the axles.  Other then pictures in LRO I have not been close to a 101 to
 guess to mate the drive train.
 --
 Rob Davis_chicago
 
Rob,

  The 101 uses the 3.5L/LT95 drive train, and at close to 4000 lbs, is rather
 underpowered with the V8 only putting out 134 HP or so. A 2.25L at 77HP would
 be pretty anemic at barely 1/2 the hp. The axles used are giant 1 ton salisbury
 units with a 5.57 crown/pinion ratio, which makes for a great crawling ratio
 of 75/1, but leaves a lot to be desired at highway speeds. The 101 also is unique
 in that it uses tapered leaf springs, only two leaves per side, and I suspect
 the mounting widths would be different, plus the spings are mounted on top of the
 axle casing rather than under it as with the 109. Anything is possible though.
 Just open your wallet :^) The spring mounts could be relocated and rewelded, you
 would also need custom length drive shafts to use your 109 stuff, also not a 
 difficult problem. Engine and tranny mounts would need to be moved. Again the welder
 is needed. Perhaps the most difficult would be the shift linkage and the xfer case
 linkage. The point on the tranny where the linkage attaches is like 6+ feet behind
 you as you sit in the front seat. The xfer case is actuated by a long bowden cable,
 spose you could rig something similar. Plus you would have to figure out a similar
 mechanism to actuate the plunger/lever to put it into 4wd. The stock 101 is full time 
 4wd with a vaccuum actuated center diff lock. Hope this answers some of your ?'s,
 it would be a huge project to fit 109 drive components, but certainly not insurmountable.
 Might be easier to just obtain a used 3.5L/LT95 from an old Rangie, then you could
 use stock 101 shifter components, most of which are still available.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
101FC 
Ser III 88

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:08:01 EST
Subject: A to Z of Land Rovers

I have just re-discovered the following whilst clearing out my hard disk. I
wrote it about three years ago for the BLRC club magazine, and thought you all
might apreciate it.

Any aditions / modifications would be greatly appreciated.

Mike Rogers (lightweight/Range Rover hybrid)

A.  Alternator................Driver who alternates between Land Rovers and
sensible cars. 
B.  Belt........................A good hard one usually gets the starter
working.
C.  Clutch....................A strong one is required (on the purse strings)
once an older. 	.............................Land Rover is purchased, more so
if used off road.
D.  Differential..............Allows wheel in mud to spin uselessly whilst
wheel on firm 		.............................ground does nothing.
E.  Electronic ignition...Usually started by a short circuit in old wiring. 
F.  Fan.......................Members of ARC (and LRO listers).
G.  Gearbox................Source of most disturbing noises, (at least you
can't hear 				............................anything else).
H.  Heater...................Only noise competition for G. ( G gives more heat
).
I.  Ignition timing..........Guaranteed to be when you must get somewhere (see
E).
J.  Jack.......................That rusted lump you wish you had oiled (on
getting a 			.............................puncture).
K.  Kinetic Rope...........Tool designed to rip off towing points.
L.  Lightweight.............Best body design ever.
M.  Maintenance..........Or lack of it see ( C ).
N.  Number Plate.........Pre J suffix helps with ( C ).
O.  Off Road................Prime objective.
P.  Permanent 4WD.....This does not exist on Land Rovers (Just watch one that
is 		.............................stuck). See (D).
Q.  Quarter..................Term designed to enhance perceived power. (Suffix
to "two			.............................and a")." 
R.  Relay.....................The only way to pass a message to the rear seat 
...................................passengers in a lwb safari.
S.  Suspension............Discovered only in development of Range Rover.
T.  Tirfor......................Bloody hard work.
U.  Universal Joint........Binder twine.
V.  Vacuum.................Required between the ears to own a S1.
W.  Wiring diagram......Yet to be understood.
X.  Xenophobe..............See (F).
Y.  Yurt.......................Original inspiration for Land Rover rag tops.
Z.  Zymurgy.................Results not to be enjoyed whilst Land Rovering.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:31:26
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re:  Importing Land Rovers

	"So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.

Ben"
I _think_ that kicker in this is that the vehicle has to be brought up to 
US spec. at one of the govm't. approved sites. I was told years ago that
there are only 2 places in the US that are approved by the govm't to do 
this type of work. And it costs a fortune. I'm not 100% sure about this
but it's something to look into if someone gets really serious about
owning a 101 legally in the US. Best, Dave

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:37:33 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: Importing Land Rovers

At 10:45 AM 1/27/98 -0600, Benjamin Smith wrote:
:	To the best of my knowledge the 25 year rule is to the date of
:manufacuture of the vehicle.  I.E, if I had a Land Rover at customs today
:(27 January 1998), the Land Rover would have to have been built on or=
 before
:26 January 1973 to be legal under the 25 year rule.

 Canada uses the *day* of manufacture for their 15 year rule.
 The US uses the calendar *year* of manufacture for the DOT 25
 year rule and EPA 21 year rule, ie a vehicle imported today
 1/27/98 would have to be constructed in 1973 (1998-25) or earlier.
 This means a 1974 model year vehicle built Dec 31, 1973 is
 eligible for DOT exemption today.

:    The only Land Rover listed on this list is the 1993 Defender 110.
:    With an eligibility number of 212 and is listed as:
:    "'VSP' eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to=
 be
:    eligible under 49 U.S.C. =A7 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a
:    manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a=
 substantially
:    similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists. "
:
:	So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
:to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.

 Correct, the 1993 model is the only D-110 which can be imported if
 modified by an ICI to meet US specs.

 Hey, but what do I know, eh?

-Michael   

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:45:11 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: Importing Land Rovers

At 12:31 PM 1/27/98, David Kurzman wrote:
:	"So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
:to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.
:
:Ben"
:I _think_ that kicker in this is that the vehicle has to be brought up to 
:US spec. at one of the govm't. approved sites. I was told years ago that
:there are only 2 places in the US that are approved by the govm't to do 
:this type of work. And it costs a fortune. I'm not 100% sure about this
:but it's something to look into if someone gets really serious about
:owning a 101 legally in the US. Best, Dave

 There is only one ICI that is certified to modify the '93 D-110 in the
 US.  Land Rover FC's cannot be certified at all because Land Rover never
 imported them into the US as a model vehicle.  All you can do is wait
 until they are 25 years old, built prior to 12/31/73, then there are
 no restrictions.

 Great living in a free country, eh?

-Michael 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:07:39 -0500
From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re:No Help for Chinese LR Owner  attn. unc rog

>So the question is, is the pleasure that writing something offensive may<
>give you worth the pain it may cause someone else?  A question we each have<
>to answer for ourselves, everytime we write something.<

Uncle Roger:

your ideas are very well thought out. thank you, it was refreshing.

Rick Nicotra

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From: Rob Horstman <resrch!robh@molienergy.bc.ca>
Subject: Shocks for SIIA ???
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:13:26 -0800

Hello All and thanks for the previous response to my questions...

I have yet another, as I pursue the "proverbial" end of the tunnel,

Any suggestions to what type of Shocks to put on the Landrover ?  Should
I stay with the stock shocks, or change to an aftermarket type such as
Rancho, etc...

Any experience on this part would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks...

Rob.

1968 Series IIA 88"

________________________________________________________________

Rob Horstman, Systems Administrator
Email : robh@molienergy.bc.ca
Moli Energy (1990) Ltd.
20000 Stewart Crescent,                  Direct Line - (604) 466-6681 
Maple Ridge, BC, Canada                Main #       - (604) 466-6654
V2X  9E7
              Visit us on the WEB  @  www.molienergy.bc.ca
________________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:59:04 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Shocks for SIIA ???

Rob Horstman wrote:

> Hello All and thanks for the previous response to my questions...
> I have yet another, as I pursue the "proverbial" end of the tunnel,
> Any suggestions to what type of Shocks to put on the Landrover ?  Should
> I stay with the stock shocks, or change to an aftermarket type such as
> Rancho, etc...

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)]
>               Visit us on the WEB  @  www.molienergy.bc.ca
> ________________________________________________________________

Rob,

Go for Old Man Emu's (from the land down under). At the same time modify
your rear shock bottom mountings so that you can attach the shocks to a lug
(an old shackle twisted through 45 degrees and welded to the underside of
the U-bolt anchor plate works fine) on the anchor plate - the OME's are a
tad long in the back and the factory advises you to increase the size of
your rear bump stops to avoid breaking off the shock mountings at the top
when the shocks bottom. With this simple mod and the OME's both my SIIa and
my SIII/R6 have rear ends that compete with 110's for ride comfort and axle
articulation.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:47:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Marcus Tooze <mtooze@tan.unl.edu>
Subject: Re:  Importing Land Rovers

> 	"So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
> to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.
> Ben"
> I _think_ that kicker in this is that the vehicle has to be brought up to 
> US spec. at one of the govm't. approved sites. I was told years ago that
> there are only 2 places in the US that are approved by the govm't to do 
> this type of work. And it costs a fortune. I'm not 100% sure about this
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> but it's something to look into if someone gets really serious about
> owning a 101 legally in the US. Best, Dave

I read the customs manual (check out the EPA page on importation too on
the WWW) as saying that ANY vehicle can be imported if it can be bought
up to US spec by an approved center. There is actually a list of about
10 such licensed places around the US. Yes, it would cost a freaking
fortune to bring a non conforming vehicle up to spec.

Marcus

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:01:31 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: 101 Drive train??

Rob,

You know if you have enough time, money, and brains you can do almost
anything. But I suspect if you did this proposed conversion, the outcome
would be far less than acceptable.

The 101 has a much heavier duty drive train.  Large, heavy duty, wider,
Salisbury axles front and rear.  The transmission is also much heavier
duty. Designed and rated for 250 lb/ft torque.  The 109 is rated at half
that. The 101 transfer case has lower gear ratios, and the driveshaft
output from the transfercase is dimensionally lower in the frame than a
series case.  Of course the much smaller and much weaker series engine
(2.25) of the 109 drive train would help compensate...

But think about it, even if you do finally get all of the modifications 
made, and there will be many, what will you have? 
 
A spindly, weak, unstable 101 that won't pull in high range, which you
could never reliably or safely haul a load in, which would use a lot of
espensive custom made parts.  

I wouldn't do it.  

On the otherhand, if you have the 101 with the original axles, it may be
reasonable to put a Range Rover motor and drive train in it.  After all
that's how the 101 was originally designed.

If you live in the USA, and you just want a really cool, awesome, large
4x4 truck, and you don't have to have a Land Rover, you might want to
consider a ex-military UNIMOG 404.  They are inexpensive, and a lot of
them are available in the USA right now. They are Awesome. Far more
capable than a 101 in most every way, with the possible exception of
high speed highway performance. try looking at  
http://www.unimogmagazine.com/campmog/campmog.html

Good Luck,

Garret Scott
Knoxville, TN

Bcar4doc wrote:
> Hi All,
>  Well  having no experience with 101's I need to call on the experience
> of the list.  Is it possible for some one to tell me if a 109 drive
> train would fit in a 101 LR?   I realize it would be under powered with
> only a 2.25 but I am concerned about the transmission fittine as well as
> the axles.  Other then pictures in LRO I have not been close to a 101 to
> guess to mate the drive train.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> --
> Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:09:42 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: am I still here?

Hi

I have sent several postings in the last few days to major.lro but even
though I seem to be getting everyone elses postings, my own aren't
appearing.

Not that I need to receive letters from myself - but is this a new
feature of the list? or is something wrong.

If you don't get this mail, you don't need to reply - ok?

:)

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:18:29 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: am I still here? yes

I got it

> I have sent several postings in the last few days to major.lro but even
> though I seem to be getting everyone elses postings, my own aren't
> appearing.
> Not that I need to receive letters from myself - but is this a new
> feature of the list? or is something wrong.
> If you don't get this mail, you don't need to reply - ok?

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> :)
> Adrian Redmond

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: Houston
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:15:50 -0500

Hi all,

I have to go to Houston for a couple of weeks on business.  Is there
anything Land Rover related that is worthy of checking out if I have some
free time in the area?

Kevin

	'67 SIIA 88" 
	http://members.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:20:41 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: 101 Drive train??

Michael Fredette wrote:

>  Might be easier to just obtain a used 3.5L/LT95 from an old Rangie, then you could
>  use stock 101 shifter components, most of which are still available.

Unless, someone might be planning to claim their 101 is merely a 109 with body changes :)

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:24:01 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Houston

The largest volume LR dealer in the country, Barney Garver, and my SIII
88.  Come on down.

Herman

MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com wrote:

>  Is there
> anything Land Rover related that is worthy of checking out if I have some
> free time in the area?
> Kevin
>         '67 SIIA 88"
>         http://members.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 15:35:39 EST
Subject: Re[2]: 101 Drive train??

>Unless, someone might be planning to claim their 101 is merely a 109 with body
>changes :)

No, no, it's a 101 "kit car" based on a rangie drivetrain...
Or its a rangie with "just a few" modifications...

This might just work.

later
DaveB

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:11 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Gearbox question

Marin,

All I can say is that from my experience, you are the exception.  I have
always had poor experiences with the FAIRY overdrive. 

Perhaps your situation is because you are very careful, and you have an
early model Fairy, which I understand are somewhat better made, and you
installed it into a relatively new transfercase. A case in good shape to
begin with, with little wear on the gears and bearing which allowed the
Fairy to "bed-in" to the gear teeth.  But this still doesn't dissaude me
or change my feelings about the Fairy overdrive.

My comments about the Fairy is only relavent if you want a quiet and
reliable transmission.  The Fairy does work, but it is weaker than the
rest of the transmission, and it creates a lot of noise, and generally
doesn't seem to last very long.  A TORO overdrive, or high ratio high
range gears I feel is a MUCH better way to go. A fine unit, it is such a
shame that the Fairy is the one still available.  I suppose that it is
because it is so much cheaper made, and rewards the manufacturer with a
higher profit margin!  Expecially when you consider they generally don't
last very long (Except yours).  The TORO is basically the same design as
the Fairy, but it is heavier and better biult.  When you compare the
two, the difference in size is only about 25% on the outside. The
Fairies I have owned are all are just too small, and too cheap and too
sloppily made. When I get my WEB site up, I will have comparison
pictures of the two overdrives, inside and out, before and after.

I am just trying to help other Land Rover owners with my experiences.  I
speak of my experiences from owning, Off-roading, repairing and
modifying my Land Rovers for the last 20 years. I try only to speak or
write of those experiences and that knoweledge for which I feel I have a
good understanding. But I don't know everything.  

Garret Scott

67 88
72 88
89 RR

-> 
-> >The Series Land Rover transfer case is VERY strong, but if you want
-> the
-> transfercase to be quiet, and it can be very quiet, you must make
-> certian of several things:
-> 
-> >1. Don't install a fairy overdrive.  If you do, you might as well
-> >forget
-> >making anything quite, tight, or long lasting in the gearbox.
-> 
-> I don't think I agree with this statement at all.  I bought my Series
-> III-88 new in 1973 and still drive it today.  It probably has about
-> 150K
-> miles on it (the speedometer/odometer broke in the Yukon Territory in
-> 1977 at 85K miles and I've never replaced it).   About a year after I
-> bought the vehicle I installed a Fairey overdrive.  

Truncated my me because I felt like it. 

-> would not agree that the installation of the overdrive shortened the
-> life of the transmission.  With the exception of the case joint seals
-> and the bushings/bearings that were replaced simply because it was
->easy
-> to do so with the box apart, the transmission on my vehicle is still
-> original and still in perfect working order.
-> 
-> __________________
-> C. Marin Faure
-> faurecm@halcyon.com
-> marin.faure@boeing.com
->   (original owner)
->   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
->   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:28:41 EST
Subject: Re[2]: 101 Drive train??

Re: 101 w/109 drivetrain:
>But think about it, even if you do finally get all of the modifications 
>made, and there will be many, what will you have? 

an inkling that you should've bought a 109 or 110 FC?

later
DaveB

------------------------------

From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: New Wiring Harness is here!
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:39:04 -0800

My new wiring harness arrived today.  Cloth braid, very pretty... I
know, not for long! 

I have a good schematic diagram and don't think that making the right
connections will be a problem, but I could use a few good references for
routing the actual cables around in the engine bay.  There was not much
left of the original harness, so the pictures that I took before the
great disassembly won't be much help.  Also, many of the components have
been moved around.

Does anybody know of a source of good engine bay pictures / or have some
that they could e-mail me, of a circa 1961 SWB Rover?

Any good advise would be appreciated.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II SWB
Victoria BC  Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:40:33 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: OVLR Dork Tari Award  (was Towball Award)

Hear yea! hear yea!

I do on this day Tuesday, January 27th, in the year of a deity, 1998,
challenge Alan J. Richer,  1997 inaugural recipient of the OVLR Dork Tari
award, to joust against me for the second instance of this honour at the
OVLR  Birthday Festival, Ottawa Canada,  June 19 to 21, 1998.

Rue Paul this day like no other my friend for bad taste hath no greater
fury than a Kalifornian scorned!

Judgement day shall soon be upon thee and thoust can of Lemon Pledge thee
has afixed to thine 109 rover, Churchill, in a mount intended for a fire
suppression device.

The gauntlet is thrown, Sir.  Your reply?

John "is thoust a real word?" Hong

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:55:56 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: USA

At 08:01 PM 1/26/98 -0500, William L. Leacock wrote:
:Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
: 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 
  ^^     ^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^
 Seems that living in exile is not so bad, eh? ;)

-Michael 'America has been very-very-good-to-me!' Carradine
 50-80, 72-88, 89-RR

 The whole lot put together would not fund a second hand Disco. By the way,
I  have approx 130 Land Rovers and 70 Range Rovers as well as the above,
total value of these 1000 bucks. ( before you all want to buy, they are
miniatures. ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award) 
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:54:28 -0600
From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.psa.pencom.com>

John Hong doth challengeth:

> I do on this day Tuesday, January 27th, in the year of a deity, 1998,
> challenge Alan J. Richer,  1997 inaugural recipient of the OVLR Dork Tari
> award, to joust against me for the second instance of this honour at the
> OVLR  Birthday Festival, Ottawa Canada,  June 19 to 21, 1998.

	Be afraid.  Be very afraid.   I can not begin to imagine what
horrors can be infliced on a Series Land Rover in an attempt to make it
the most tacky.  

	Horrible images are going through my mind.   Just imagine for a 
moment.  A 101" FC painted pink with with purple polka dots and flowers and
yellow frilly things attached to the canvas top.    The horror.  The horror...

Ben
Benjamin Smith-----------bens@colltech.com----------Land Rover: '72 SIII 88"
Collective Technologies (a pencom company)                      '94 Discovery

"..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:12:44 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Towing with an 88

In 1969 a friend and I purchased a 109 for 12 pounds sterling ( approx $20
today but maybe $30 in those days  ) the brakes did not work so we towed it
approx 20 miles on a fixed bar to a friends farm, The tow vehicle was my 88.
No problems with this part of the journey apart from the reduced braking
efficiency.
 At the farm my "friend" suggested that we tow the 109 to a pond and use the
farmers tractors pto water pump to clean it. Because the pond was about a
hundred yards away we just used a rope to pull the 109, I foolishly sat
behind the wheel of the 109,  as we neared the pond the ground slope
increased and the 109 " accelerated " and overtook the 88, the rope fell off
and it's speed increased as we neared the pond, the slope to the  pond was
almost 45 degrees and boulder strewn, our original intention being to park
on the top of the slope and run a hose from the pond. I tried, in the best
stuntman fashion to abandon the 109, but each time I got into the doorway
the 109 struck a rock and bounced me back into the cab, my "friend" by this
time was standing at the top of the slope shouting 39 degrees which is the
approx roll over angle of a 109, ( by this time the 109 was going across the
slope and I was on the downside ) Fortunately the 109 struck a rock which
was large and firm enough to stop it dead, about 3 feet from the waters
edge. We cut it up where it came to rest.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:07:45 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award  (was Towball Award)

At 01:40 PM 1/27/98 -0800, John Hong wrote:
:John "is thoust a real word?" Hong

 'thoust' is a word created after many brews of ale
 are consumed and the tongue no longer listens to
 messages from the brain which itself has trouble
 processing direction to said tongue now taking on
 a life of its own.  The word in less lubrious times
 may be recognized as 'thou hast' before contraction.

-M 'Court Keeper or Words and Parts Thereof' C

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:22:30 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Frame

The other day I was reading an Auto industry magazine article discussing the
merits of SUV's  with frame construction and without frame ( chassis in
English  English )construction. A figure leapt from the page, they quoted
the typical additional cost of the frame as $125 ( one hundred and twenty
five dollars ) !!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Frame
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:17:25 -0800

>From what I read in January's LROI (about Freelander assembly), sounds
like the labour involved in bolting all of the components onto the frame
is the most expensive aspect.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	William L. Leacock [SMTP:wleacock@pipeline.com]
>Sent:	Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:23 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Frame

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:43:22 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award) 

Simple way to win, just show up in a Freelander P.O.S.  !!!

At 03:54 PM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote:
>John Hong doth challengeth:
>> I do on this day Tuesday, January 27th, in the year of a deity, 1998,
>> challenge Alan J. Richer,  1997 inaugural recipient of the OVLR Dork Tari
>> award, to joust against me for the second instance of this honour at the
>> OVLR  Birthday Festival, Ottawa Canada,  June 19 to 21, 1998.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>moment.  A 101" FC painted pink with with purple polka dots and flowers and
>yellow frilly things attached to the canvas top.    The horror.  The
horror...
>Ben
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> challenge Alan J. Richer,  1997 inaugural recipient of the OVLR Dork Tari
---
>Benjamin Smith-----------bens@colltech.com----------Land Rover: '72 SIII 88"
>Collective Technologies (a pencom company)                      '94 Discovery
>"..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any
>> award, to joust against me for the second instance of this honour at the
entries
> from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
> Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie
>"..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any
>> award, to joust against me for the second instance of this honour at the

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:55:21 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: Rover Calenders!?    (wasRe:No Help for Chinese LR Owner)

Hi Roger,

Thanks for the segue...

Somebody wrote:
> >to appreciate a HARMLESS, repeat HARMLESS, joke poking fun at the lousy
and then Roger wrote:
>Actually, it wasn't, as it caused pain to at least two people.  Not harmless.

Well,  all this talk about pain reminds me about one of my favorite movies,
the Princess Bride  which had a line when the Princess's'es' (ought to
cover all the bases)  is arguing with her still unrecognized/disguised
true love.

"Life IS pain Highness, anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell
you something."

Er...uh...ahem....okay Folks...

Life for you (and me:) will be pain free, if you buy a Landrover calender
from ME! 
(I did clear the concept of this post with BillC beforehand)

I only know of 2 LRO calenders, the LRO calender with the wonderful artwork
of Peter Wilford (I am the proud owner of the original artwork of one of
these LRO months, the one with the series towing a sailboat and a disco
towing a powerboat)  and the RoversNorth Calender (in artsy black and white
with many action/rovers&owners photos)   I am told that since BMW got a
hold of LR, no mo Factory calenders?

Here's the scoop - I'd be lucky if 500 of you bought a calender, so in
order to minimize my odds of ending up with 250 leftovers, I'd like to get
some sense of what you all would like to see in a Rover Calender?
There are many possibilities:

Dignified Rover Family Catalog - one from each model/type
Rover in Action Calender
Rover Humor Calender
Rovers and their Owners around the world (especially members from this
list!!!) Calender

and of course!

Rover Cheesecake Calender (we talking sheetcake or muffin?   G? PG?  more? :)

We could have the "jumble/mishmash"  which would alternatively
please/amuse/offend month by month...kind of an allegory on life eh?

I'd also appreciate some idea of what people would like to see in terms of
gloss vs cost.

Very Glossy means $12-16  usd
Glossy means            $8-12  usd
kinda shiny means     $4-8  usd

So any input would be appreciated - if you are interested in seeing your
Rover(s) in print or know of one that should be???

I would think replies directly to me (john@best.com) would be for the best?

John "yeah, 98 wuz the year I busted outta HighTech" Hong

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:10:56 -0500
From: Art Maravelis <amjas@gis.net>
Subject: Salisbury conversion in S3 88

Greetings,

I need to fit a Salisbury axle in the rear of my '72 S3 88. Since I also
want better highway speeds I'm fitting one with the 3.54 gears. I know this
isn't a drop-in and the clearance is an inch lower, but I need the extra
strength and since I'm already running bigger tires why not go for it? Some
questions:

1.  Is there only one type of this axle to consider? Is it the one from the
109 V8?

2.  I need to modify the propshaft. That's fine but what about anything
else, as in spring carriers?

3.  Do these come with the larger brakes? If so I'll plan on changing the
fronts to the larger size, right?

4.  It doesn't need shortening, I hope?

5.  About the weight, is this a concern? I now have fitted HD springs all
around, thanks to the PO, and these give a  VERY bouncy ride. If I keep
these the ride should be more in line with the stock ride, right?

6.  I also need 3.54 gears in the front. Can I use standard Rover 3.54s or
are there any other options (for better strength)?

7.  Any other considerations???

Thanks again for any help,

Art
'72 S3 88
Boston, MA  USA

------------------------------

From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:20:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: registering NSU, was Importing Land Rovers

In 1976 I rescued a NSU 1200C from a junkyard. Didn't get a title, though.
Had to register it like a homebuilt under South Carolina law at the time.
They send a trooper out to look at the vehicle and your receipts, he signs
off, send in a few buck and get back a letter giving you a new serial number
starting with SCHD. (South Carolina Highway Department)
Haven't tried anything like that in Georgia, yet.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

------------------------------

From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: Oil- -------------No Land Rover Content
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:32:20 -0500

I would Like anyone's input on Engine Oil.
One of the other vehicles(Besides a Ser IIA 109 in 100 Pieces, My wifes =
Disco and a Volvo 940) I own is a 1985 Toyota Pick-up 2wd with a gas =
engine (22R). I have owned this truck since it was new and it now has =
228,000 miles on the original engine. The truck is in great shape paint =
and interior are immaculate and the truck is a great commuter I drive =
about 600 miles a week commuting to work. The engine is still strong it =
handles the 60 mile trip at 80mph no problem. I just can't bring myself =
to get rid of it. It is like an old dog. It aint too flashy but it's =
loyal.
 	Ever since 200k it has been using more and more oil. it started at =
about 215k and I switched from Castrol 20/50 to RotellaT 15/40. Using =
Rotella my oil consumption dropped off a bit. Recently (@222k) I started =
using about 4 quarts every 600 miles. What gets me is it doesn't smoke =
and there are no leaks (had all the seals replaced at 196k).
	So anyway I had an Idea. Since I was going to rebuild the engine anyway =
and I have it in my mind not to do it until 300k, Why not try something =
else? I have just Replaced the RotellaT with 5quarts of 85/140 Gear =
Lube!!!!
	I don't know whats going to happen but I just had to try it. Maybe I =
can get to the 300k mark. And then again I may blow every seal in the =
engine. has anyone ever tried this if so what happened????

			Thanks for listening.

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:37:02 EST
Subject: Re:  RR&109 sighting

In a message dated 1/27/98 9:18:54 AM, you wrote:

>On 12/30/97, I passed an early 90's RR towing a late IIA - III 109" on
>Highway 26 (The 109 was on a flatbed).  The 109 was green and they were
>heading west (I was heading east - hence the lack of details).
>Kevin

I'm not sure, but the 109 could have been an elusive, rare "Green Rover".
Count yourself lucky to have spotted one, and call in for your green mug ;-)

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:19:42 EST
Subject: Re:  Importing Land Rovers

=0AIn a message dated 1/27/98 11:46:22 AM, Ben wrote:=0A=0A>>The section =
lists 49 USC 30112 (25 year rule) and 49 USC 30141=0A(which says that you=
nger then 25 vehicles may imported if brought up to=0Astandards).=0A=0ATh=
e only Land Rover listed on this list is the 1993 Defender 110.=0AWith an=
 eligibility number of 212 and is listed as:=0A"'VSP' eligibility numbers=
 are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be=0A=0Aeligible under 49 U=
.S.C. =A7 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a=0Amanufacturer or re=
gistered importer which establishes that a substantially=0Asimilar U.S.-c=
ertified vehicle exists. "=0A=0ASo it would seem to me that any '93 D110 =
is importable if brought up=0Ato US specs, but this is not necessarily tr=
ue for other LRs.<<=0A=0AI've often wondered if a European, alpine white,=
 93 model, 110 Station Wagon,=0AV8, with Safety Devices rollbars, square =
tail lights, etc, to the last detail,=0Abut *not a NAS 110*, would be abl=
e to sneak in as an impostor, or ersatz NAS=0A110. I would of course have=
 borrowed the dash VIN plate to make it look like a=0ANAS 110 in the comp=
uter.=0A=0AWho's to know how many have left the country, and presumably t=
hey can come=0Aback in, right? I know there's a few in Haiti and one in t=
he Philippines. So,=0Aif none of them want to ever come back to the US, w=
hy not borrow the VIN # off=0Aof one of those 110s? Will the feds ever fi=
nd out if there's two LRs=0Aregistered with the same numbers on two place=
s on earth? Clones, perhaps?=0A=0AAnyway, back to Ben's point, it would s=
eem that a 93 110 could be brought in,=0Adoes that apply to any 93 110? I=
 wouldn't mind a Hicap here too...=0A=0Apat=0A93 "already here" 110=0A

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:32:17 EST
Subject: Re:  Salisbury conversion in S3 88

In a message dated 1/27/98 8:23:27 PM, you wrote:

>4.  It doesn't need shortening, I hope?
You can add an inch or two to the middle of your rover to make up the
difference if you get the same axle I have on my 110... ;-)

>5.  About the weight, is this a concern? I now have fitted HD springs all
>around, thanks to the PO, and these give a  VERY bouncy ride. If I keep
>these the ride should be more in line with the stock ride, right?

The axle isn't sprung weight is it? I'm not 100% sure, but what's below the
spring shouldn't affect what the spring does for what's above it. ie: if you
have steel I-beams istead of springs, it will ride like hell whether it is a
rover or Salisbury axle beneath it, likewise if you have plastic springs, it
will ride like plastic springs no matter what type of axle you rested the car
on.

I may be totally wrong on that though.

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@pop3.mho.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:48:02 +0000
Subject: Generator/Regulator

Has any one seen this?
1959 SII 88"
Charging lite flashes occaisonally, not on full time just flashing.  
Ammeter flutters during the flashing. and regulator buzzes.  The rest 
of the time the ammeter reads positive or zero, but the fluttering 
goes from min to max on the gauge.  I've checked all of the wiring 
and have not found a short.  The whole thing has me somewhat 
perplexed.  

I believe that the problem is in the regulator, but I want to know if 
anyones experience knows its the generator.  

The whole thing is a pain, as I seem to only get about 2-3 years 
out of a regulator.  Is that common?

Thanks in advance 
Mitch

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:25:35 EST
Subject: How do I mount Rivnuts?

mounting rivnuts... ok, swing one leg over the rivnut...

 I'm mood to do things to the rover this week. One procedure calls for the use
of M6 Rivnuts, which I have, and a tab-washer, which I also have. So, I guess
I have to drill a hole just a little bit wider than the rivnut, and insert the
rivnut and somehow get the bit behind the panel to expand. What's the step-by-
step to getting these things to work?

Anything to *not* do or to look out for?

Thanks

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: Scott Cousens <scousens@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Importing Land Rovers
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:46:07 -0800

>From what I can tell, yes, any '93 110. BUT you got to be ready to fork over
to bring it up to specs, which probably aint gonna be cheap. 
As far as NAS 110s that left the US and are coming back, there are some
provisions in the EPA guide dealing with emissions stuff that may have been
removed (due to our particular petrol additives) and must be inspected and
verified to be back in working order.

> From:	SPYDERS [SMTP:SPYDERS@aol.com]
> Anyway, back to Ben's point, it would seem that a 93 110 could be brought
> in,
> does that apply to any 93 110? I wouldn't mind a Hicap here too...

------------------------------

From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:41:28 -0600
Subject: Yesterday's Digest

I get the list in digest format and digest it, so to speak, along with
all my other bloody email, at the end of each day. I always enjoy reading
the list, including the infighting, sniping, bitching, and other general
amusement. I have to say, though, that yesterdays digest was about the
best I've ever read.  What with the rollback story, the dog kicking
story, and Unk. Roger's comments about first grade teachers and
politeness, I laughed until I nearly wet my pants.  I DID drop my
computer and spill my beer. 

For all the BS that takes place here, it is certainly the only email I
always enjoy opening.

Rover content: Again, please, anyone who has bulkheads to spare please
contact me off list at Robot1@JUNO.com

Mark

P.S. to those more well educated than I, my errors in punctuation are
typos, I can spell and punctuate, I just can't type.

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: How do I mount Rivnuts?
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:16:13 GMT

Don't make the hole so big that the flange that keeps the rivnut from
falling through can fall through. This is very easy to do. 

Having the special riv nut tool helps, but is not required.

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:25:35 EST, you wrote:

. . . .
> I'm mood to do things to the rover this week. One procedure calls for the use
>of M6 Rivnuts, which I have, and a tab-washer, which I also have. So, I guess
>I have to drill a hole just a little bit wider than the rivnut, and insert the
>rivnut and somehow get the bit behind the panel to expand. What's the step-by-
>step to getting these things to work?
>Anything to *not* do or to look out for?

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:18:48 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Importing Land Rovers

-SPYDERS wrote:
-why not borrow the VIN # off of one of those 110s? 
-Will the feds ever find out if there's two LRs
-registered with the same numbers on two places on earth? Clones,
-perhaps?

Isn't that illegal? No matter what country you're in?

It would seem to me that working to meet our (country's) requirements to
legally bring a vehicle into our country is one thing.  But to illegally
alter or chang serial numbers something else entirely.  

Is Land Rover 110 ownership so rewarding as to make it worth spending
time in Federal prison?

------------------------------

From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: Oil- -------------No Land Rover Content
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:46 -0500

 would Like anyone's input on Engine Oil.
One of the other vehicles(Besides a Ser IIA 109 in 100 Pieces, My wifes =
Disco and a Volvo 940) I own is a 1985 Toyota Pick-up 2wd with a gas =
engine (22R). I have owned this truck since it was new and it now has =
228,000 miles on the original engine. The truck is in great shape paint =
and interior are immaculate and the truck is a great commuter I drive =
about 600 miles a week commuting to work. The engine is still strong it =
handles the 60 mile trip at 80mph no problem. I just can't bring myself =
to get rid of it. It is like an old dog. It aint too flashy but it's =
loyal.
 	Ever since 200k it has been using more and more oil. it started at =
about 215k and I switched from Castrol 20/50 to RotellaT 15/40. Using =
Rotella my oil consumption dropped off a bit. Recently (@222k) I started =
using about 4 quarts every 600 miles. What gets me is it doesn't smoke =
and there are no leaks (had all the seals replaced at 196k).
	So anyway I had an Idea. Since I was going to rebuild the engine anyway =
and I have it in my mind not to do it until 300k, Why not try something =
else? I have just Replaced the RotellaT with 5quarts of 85/140 Gear =
Lube!!!!
	I don't know whats going to happen but I just had to try it. Maybe I =
can get to the 300k mark. And then again I may blow every seal in the =
engine. has anyone ever tried this if so what happened????

			Thanks for listening.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:08 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Series LR Transmission Mainshaft Nut Tool

Kelly Minnick's drawings and Karen Sindir's production notes 
on the Series Land Rover Transmission Mainshaft Nut Tool can
now be found at  www.landrover.net/parts/transtool

The tool is available by special order this month at the
address given for $45 plus shipping.

-M

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:39:31 EST
Subject: Re: Importing Land Rovers

Okay...

Buy the damn truck in the U.K., dis-assemble it, bring it in complete MINUS
the chassis, so that you can call it "spare parts", order a "replacement"
chassis domestically, register it, and be done with it!
(this only applies to diesels)

Charles
(diesels are exempt from emissions tests)

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From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:09:07 EST
Subject: Mainshaft Nut Tool Info on Web Site

The information on the mainshaft nut tool including the picture can now be
found at http://www.landrover.net/parts/transtool/, courtesy of Michael
Carradine.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88
'95 Disco

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:03:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Ambulance

>WE are looking to purchase a 1967 LR ambulance to convert into a simple
>camper.  Has anyone out there had experience with the LR ambulance?  Any
>imput would be helpful.  thanks, Jim
 
Saw one once, that had been converted to a camper.  As I recall, the bed
was crosswise (perpendicular to direction of travel) and you could not move
from the rear section to the front without exiting the vehicle.  Had a fair
bit more room than a regular 109", but to me, it didn't seem like enough to
make it worthwhile (wider vehicle, heavier, more gas, etc.) 

The people that owned it seemed to love it, though.  

I think If I were to do something like that, I would probably put the bed
lengthwise, with maybe a desk/table area towards the front, with
storage/kitchen across from the bed.  Definitely would add windows too.  

Would probably be good for a family; you could do bunk beds.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:03:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience

>>Towing lightweight horseboxes 30 miles in the UK is not the same as towing
>>a heavy US box several hundred miles.  And over here, the speed limits are

>No,I agree,its very different.Firstly,roads in this country are narrow.
[...]
>Frankly,I dont see the relevance,here.I thought the original post was more
>about whether an 88" *would* tow,not over what sort of distance(although
>it clearly would,it seems to be a case of would you want to,which is

My point, which I managed to hide rather well (remind me not to do e-mail
without adequate sleep,) was that although an 88" may be perfectly suitable
(and popular) for towing in the UK, that doesn't mean one can run out and
replace a Chevy Suburban with an 88" for towing here in the US.  

People tow big horseboxes, speedboats, caravans, etc. at freeway speeds
here using big beasts like the Suburban (prolly fit a topless 88" in the
back!) or the big Dodge RAM trucks (like in Twister, only the big models).  

I worry that us dumb yanks might think that since everyone in the UK uses
their 88" for towing, we could do the same here, only US-style towing, not
UK.  

Mind you, I know almost nothing about towing, but I do know that people (me
especially!) don't always take into account the full picture.

>No,its a me thing.I dont leave a gap when I'm writing a letter,why
>should I do so just because I'm using a crappy heap of glass and plastic:-)

ah, okay...  Though that wee bit of whitespace does make it more readable.  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:40:33 +1300
From: graham@muddy.gen.nz (Graham Furniss)
Subject: Re: Salisbury conversion in S3 88

Hi, Art,

The following is gleaned from others who have done this, not from personal
experience so appologies for any errors.

>I need to fit a Salisbury axle in the rear of my '72 S3 88. Since I also
>want better highway speeds I'm fitting one with the 3.54 gears. I know this
>isn't a drop-in and the clearance is an inch lower, but I need the extra
>strength and since I'm already running bigger tires why not go for it? Some

What engine do you have? If it is the standard one then forget the 3.54
gears, it will be so over geared it will hardly move and you will never get
it into 4th! Remember the big tyres are already giving you an effectively
higher final drive. On the other hand, with a nice big V8 or I6 then this
will work well.

>1.  Is there only one type of this axle to consider? Is it the one from the
>109 V8?

If you want 3.54 then yes. If you want 4.7 then any long wheel base SIII
should give you what you need. I would imagine that a SIII unit would be
much easier to come by, particularly in the US. The other option is a SIII
unit and change the gears. A bit costly though.

>2.  I need to modify the propshaft. That's fine but what about anything
>else, as in spring carriers?

The spring pads have to be moved for the 88. On the 109 the springs are
mounted on outriggers and  sit outside the chassis rails. You can't fit the
outriggers to your 88 because the fuel tank is in the way (I think).

>3.  Do these come with the larger brakes? If so I'll plan on changing the
>fronts to the larger size, right?

Bigger brakes are always better! Go for the 109 11 inch ones.

>4.  It doesn't need shortening, I hope?

No. Only the ones from CS vehicles would need shortening, and I would hate
to try and source one of these in the US (Only about 500 were imported!)

>5.  About the weight, is this a concern? I now have fitted HD springs all
>around, thanks to the PO, and these give a  VERY bouncy ride. If I keep
>these the ride should be more in line with the stock ride, right?

Won't affect the ride one way or the other. Sounds like the shocks are
stuffed. Fit a set of good gas shocks and the bouncyness should go away.

>6.  I also need 3.54 gears in the front. Can I use standard Rover 3.54s or
>are there any other options (for better strength)?

Good question. I beleve some of the SIII's used a 24 spline axle in the
front so you would need to get a 24 spline Rangie diff if this is the case,
I guess you would need to pop the front axles to find out. Either way the
Rangie diffs will bolt in OK. There are also 4 pinion versions of the
Rangie diff around which are stronger than the 2 pinon ones.

You could also go to some form of locking or LS diff and just fit 3.54 ring
and pinion. KAM diffs in the UK also make a strenghtened version of this
ratio I think. Note that the 3.54 probably WON'T fit the 4.7 diff carrier.

>7.  Any other considerations???

Make very sure you get the drive flange angle right when welding on the
spring pads. The rear drive shaft on an 88 is pretty short to start with
and a Salisbury will shorten it about 3 inches which makes for some tight
angles.

The result is about as bullet proof as you can get though!

>Thanks again for any help,

You are most welcome. Best of luck.

Cheers, Graham.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:40:54 +1300
From: graham@muddy.gen.nz (Graham Furniss)
Subject: Re:  Importing Land Rovers

>>       "So it would seem to me that any '93 D110 is importable if brought up
>> to US specs, but this is not necessarily true for other LRs.
>         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)]
>> but it's something to look into if someone gets really serious about
>> owning a 101 legally in the US. Best, Dave
>I read the customs manual (check out the EPA page on importation too on
>the WWW) as saying that ANY vehicle can be imported if it can be bought
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>10 such licensed places around the US. Yes, it would cost a freaking
>fortune to bring a non conforming vehicle up to spec.

It occurs to me that since the 101 was manufatured from 1970 on there are
in fact 3 years of 101's which can be legally imported under the 25 year
old rule and each year there are more. In another 5 years they will ALL be
legal (if the rules don't change) so what is the problem?. Obviously there
are more problems or a longer wait for CS models though (except for early
Range Rovers, also made from 1970 on).

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Cheers, Graham.

'72 Range Rover (in a country (New Zealand) without import restrictions!)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:28:20 +0000
Subject: Re: BP

Yep, it appears to have been taken off line.  (I've just tried it again).
Going by the 3 emails I've had  saying it doesn't work, it went offline in
the early hours of this morning.

The original, had a copy of the BP homepage. On selecting any option, it
went to a series of pages from someone who had their car damaged (quite
badly) by a BP carwash. He had no luck getting any money out of BP, and
having no car he lost his job,etc,etc. He wasn't too happy, so he bought
the domain-name!!

The subtle use of language in the first page is quite striking! :-)
He has an unregistered/taxed Rover V8 if anyone is interested...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk on 01/28/98 08:40:57 AM

Please respond to uk-lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: BP

I can't seem to acces this site, Netscape says it doesn't exist.  Any tips?
Dave
>Someone at work has just shown me:   http://www.britishpetroleum.co.uk/
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>Someone at work has just shown me:   http://www.britishpetroleum.co.uk/
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:22:27 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: SIII 88" brake overhaul

My 88" is due for its inspection test and the brakes are showing signs
of age - I must decide whether to send her into the workshop (where they
have the advantage of a well stocked stores, so they only have to change
what they find) or wheether to do the job myself.

My guess is that all 4 wheels need 2 new shoes, and maybe slave cylinder
service/replacement.

I guess I can save money by doing it myself, so I have the following
questions -

Given that the car hasn't had a major brake overhaul since 1990, would
it be best to change all 4 pairs of shoes, and all four cylinders and
rubber hoses? Isn't it "easiest" to dp the whole lot in one go, rather
than a bit at a time - having to drain the lot each time?

Are the hubs a problem - I have once had to had these turned to clean
them (on the 109") - is this "normal" for such service intervals - is it
a "precision job" or can any machine shop with a lathe and a mechanic
with common sense turn them? Is there a standard amount to turn them out
to? Is this critical, or is concentricity more important then the actual
inside dimension?

Is there anything else (such as master cylinder) which should be
examined and overhauled at the same time?

Or is this all too ambitious? If everything is working, just the shoes
are worn, should I just replace the shoes and be done with it?

Advice and words of wisdom and warning warmly welcomed!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:41:20 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Shock absorbers

I referred in my posting yesterday to the monroe site whose explanation
of shock absorber functioning is IMHO very enlightening -

here's the link 

http://www.monroe.com/monroe/whatshdo.htm

hope its of interest

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: Motor Oill---------No LR Content
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:36:44 -0500

I would Like anyone's input on Engine Oil.
One of the other vehicles(Besides a Ser IIA 109 in 100 Pieces, My wifes =
Disco and a Volvo 940) I own is a 1985 Toyota Pick-up 2wd with a gas =
engine (22R). I have owned this truck since it was new and it now has =
228,000 miles on the original engine. The truck is in great shape paint =
and interior are immaculate and the truck is a great commuter I drive =
about 600 miles a week commuting to work. The engine is still strong it =
handles the 60 mile trip at 80mph no problem. I just can't bring myself =
to get rid of it. It is like an old dog. It aint too flashy but it's =
loyal.
 	Ever since 200k it has been using more and more oil. it started at =
about 215k and I switched from Castrol 20/50 to RotellaT 15/40. Using =
Rotella my oil consumption dropped off a bit. Recently (@222k) I started =
using about 4 quarts every 600 miles. What gets me is it doesn't smoke =
and there are no leaks (had all the seals replaced at 196k).
	So anyway I had an Idea. Since I was going to rebuild the engine anyway =
and I have it in my mind not to do it until 300k, Why not try something =
else? I have just Replaced the RotellaT with 5quarts of 85/140 Gear =
Lube!!!!
	I don't know whats going to happen but I just had to try it. Maybe I =
can get to the 300k mark. And then again I may blow every seal in the =
engine. has anyone ever tried this if so what happened????

			Thanks for listening.

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