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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:45:49 +0000 From: Axel Pawlik <axelpawlik@tinet.ie> Subject: Re: fuel tank level units Well, I took it apart Wednesday, fiddled with it, decided the resistance readings where not consistent enough (maybe contact problems). Mentally marked the sender unit to be replaced. I fixed it again, the same way I found it, with the second connector grounded with one of the sender's top screw. Strange to say, the gauge works again. What did I do? Nothing much apart from wiping off the dirt. Now it remains to be seen for how long it'll continue working... Bill wrote >should not be grounded, perhaps the wire is connected to the wrong terminal. TeriAnn wrote: >Some senders also have a ground lug. The new replacemnts made by Lucas >has the lug for the guage, a low level warning light lug and a ground >lug. I have that kind on each of my three petrol tanks. They are all >newish genuine Lucas sender units. I wondered about that, too. I didn't find the proper warning light on the dash, and then the sender hasn't got the third connector. If the instrument cluster hadn't been fiddled with a lot, I'd start thinking that maybe the Diesel was retrofitted earlier... cheers, Axel ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:18:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Winches Thanks for all of the responses concerning the Ramsey Winches. I think it's pretty obvious from the responses thus far that the REP8000 is not worth acquiring. I guess I should go with the ols "stand-by" Warn or Superwinch. Does anyone have the phone #'s for these guys so I can get a ctalog and more info. Thanks in advance!! Chris ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:22:52 -0600 From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net> Subject: Re: 101 kits for sale?? Hi Andy, I looked up that ad for 101 in crates. The Craddock salvage is the company & from 1765.99 lbs. (page 57 in land Rover World) It is just what we would love to have here in the US. IS there any company importing 101 legally or will for some one? -- Rob Davis_Chicago ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:25:57 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: Ace ventura pet detective and rovers >Kai ora.... Watched a movie on the tele last night called "Ace ventura pet >detective" if you have not seen it, it is well worth watching. Main vehicles >are landrovers and what this guy does to it is bloody amazing >Cheers.... Tom Dixon >ZL2UPG >79 series 3 lbw (in many pieces) >tomd@clear.net.nz Tom, We built a total of 8 (pieced together, barely running) 88's for the movie, 5 SIIA's and 3 late IIA's with SIII grills. We shipped them off to South Carolina where the majority of the movie was filmed, and the movie is pretty fun IMO (stupid, but in a funny way). Makes you want to drive fast through the woods doesn't it!? They looked pretty good didn't they!? It is amazing what a lot of bondo, a tune up kit, and a quicky all over (and I mean all over) paint job can do to a 400. Rover! Glad you enjoyed it! From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists* 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864 207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Colin Marshall" <colmar@picknowl.com.au> Subject: Re: The Chinese Wars... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:04:46 +1030 Hmm....Bitchy aren't they...heh heh.... Oh, didja hear the one about....only kidding.... Colin Marshall colmar@picknowl.com.au 54 Atkinson Drive, Burton. South Australia. 5110. '52 80" SWB #26660838 (3 more pending...Don't laugh!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:26:01 EST Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience In a message dated 98-01-23 05:57:42 EST, you write: << We use "overrun" brakes.That is to say,when the tug brakes,the towbar cup on the trailer is compressed rearwards on a spring and operates mechanical brakes on all four trailer wheels.I believe you people use a different system? I submit that towing horses is perhaps the acid test of both tug,and driver. (Comments,Nate?) >> Both overrun brakes and electric brakes (operated through the plug) are acceptable here at least in many states. Both work well if taken care of. Electric brakes suffer from the Prince of Darkness frequently but if well cared for, are supposed to be easier on the tow vehicle. Overrun brakes work very well but must be well maintained as well (probably easier for DIY to deal with). Most US trailers now come with electric brakes: I don't why. Horses are the worst for trailering. Not only do they move around erratically (often one is biting at the other and so the "attacked" horse will lurch back or worse to the side) but add to this that most of their weight is 3-4 feet above the trailer floor and you've got a serious elevation of the center of gravity. I agree with Mike's driving points and also will say that at least at low speeds (I haven't tried it on the freeway yet) the Brick (67 SIIa 88" single line brakes) will pull the 2 horse horsebox with little fuss. (Ours has electric brakes). Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:27:57 -0700 From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com> Subject: Re: Big Sky Rovers (Montana) Does anyone on the list have experiences (good or bad) with this outfit? They advertise a lot in Hemmings. Norm Lewis ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:39:22 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: 101 kits for sale?? >Hi Andy, > I looked up that ad for 101 in crates. The Craddock salvage is the >company & from 1765.99 lbs. (page 57 in land Rover World) It is just >what we would love to have here in the US. IS there any company >importing 101 legally or will for some one? In all my dealings with importing, I have to say that these 101's, even as kits are off limits. I got hired by a Disney Movie that wanted some 110's and 101's recently. The only way I could get the vehicles in, and remember these were for a movie and were never going to see the road, was to bring them in under a bond, then they would have to be crushed as a DOT guy watched after the movie, and in no longer than 6 months, or I would have to prove that they were shipped out of the USA. Needless to say, we never went to the trouble. I had about 7 people working on that project on both sides of the Atlantic, and not one of those freight forwarder professionals could come up with a way to make it work. Having said that... I saw a special a few days ago about the new Shelby Cobras that Carrol Shelby is making to battle all the "kit cars" that are out there. The story said that he ships them from his factory as a kit, and then a dealer puts them together with your choice of engine and trans. It said that this got them around all the crash protection stuff etc. That might be an avenue to check out, and might get you by some of the red tape. There are a few illeagl ways to get it in, but I haven't found the legal way yet, and I've been looking for 5 years. Lots of people claim to have the answer, but when you ask them about it, and where their Rover is, they then admit they have never actually done it. Hope you find the loop hole, and share it with the rest of us. :-) From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists* 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864 207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk> Subject: RE: 101 kits for sale?? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:52:29 -0000 Hi Rob, I'm afraid that if that advert is dated from last year you will not be able to get a 101. I remember ringing Craddocks and it was they who said that they sold out on the first day. Don't blame people for snapping them up though, over here that's an astounding price if the parts are all in good condition. Just to be sure, what is the date of the advert? I might even ring them just to check! Thanks for digging out the information for me. Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: car4doc [SMTP:car4doc@concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 1:23 PM > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Re: 101 kits for sale?? [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)] > -- > Rob Davis_Chicago ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:20:23 -0400 From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu> Subject: Sound-deadening kits Now that my SIII is a great-running, dependable daily driver which will experience no further mechanical difficulties, it's time to think about what to do with all this darned money I no longer have to spend on Smith's Functionator Straps, Weber Fuel Decelerant Cartridges, Hypoid Retention Preventers, ad infinitum. Investment portfolio? Child's college fund? No. I'm thinking Sound Deadening Kit. I've seen them in LRW (pretty fancy and thus pretty expensive) and J. C. Whitney (A roll of something which, in black and white on their flimsy catalog paper, looks suspiciously like a roll of tarpaper with a 7000% markup). I'm interested in your experiences with any of these. Do they work? How about for diesels? (currently I'm flogging my 2.2.5 petrol like a rented mule; someday I'll swap in a diesel for the MPG). Any replies appreciated. And thanks to all who helped out with locations for a Hi-Lift mount. I still can't figure out where I want to mount it, though: The right rear outside mount seems best, but - idiotically - I don't want to cover up my cool Land-Rover/Station Wagon badge. Even Series owners have a degree of vanity. Jeff Jackson 73 SIII 88 Waterford, CT ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:36:38 -0600 From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze) Subject: No LRO content - now bad towing experiences. > Ok, a serious answer: > There IS truth to what your friend says. I once towed an Alfa Romeo > GTV-6 about 250 miles on the interstate from the *local* dealer in > Atlanta back home to Knoxville, Tennesse with my 88 air-portable. > It was hair raising experience. Both for me, and the other drivers on > the road. We did not use a tandem trialer, but one of those which you > drive the rear wheels up on, leaving the vehicle facing backwards with Well, if we are getting into "when I was a kid" stories about towing, I have quite a collection at the old age of 26. Story 1. I'll skip the bit about taking my then girlfriend, now wife on a camping trip in my trusty '78 maverick (and she still married me!) ....needless to say it broke down. A few weeks later after deciding to not just abandon it, I towed it back to Champaign IL with a 4 cylinder S10 (weighs about 1/2 the maverick) on a tow dolly. The dolly/maverick combo managed to lift the rear wheels of the truck of the ground and push it sideways around corners :0 Story 2: Towing my TVR from Champaign to Chicago with my f250 w/ 460. Cruising up the county highway (route 47), whern I noticed a wheel bouncing thru the stubble field on my right..."Goddamn, that wheel looks familiar" I thought, What was best was people coming the other way were also looking at the wheel rolling thru the field, then looking at me! I pulled over, and found one of my hubs had sheared of the trailer. That 460 in my old ford never skipped a beat...didn't even feel it shear. Thank god it was a tandem axle. I just jacked up the axle, chained it up to stop it dragging on the floor, collected my wheel from the field, and drove the rest of the way to Chi'town with a three wheeled trailer. As you might imagine, I now check the grease caps on my trailer...I still tow grossly overweighted badly balanced tow dollys with an S10 though. ONLY JOKING (haver to say that so I don't get bashed by the goody goody crowd). Marcus ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:51 -0600 From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze) Subject: RE: 101 kits for sale?? Andy, Yes. You can buy one in bits, and get it thru customs as parts. Reassemble in US on private property, drive/use on private property. Heck, some, states (e.g., Nebraska) would maybe even title it (NE only requires the british export certificate, not the DOT/EPA certs!! However, you couldn't sell it easily/legally). Marcus > I'm sorry I don't have an answer for you but being in the UK I am > extremely interested in a 101 in crates. The last time I saw an add they > sold out on the first day! Can you tell me where I can find out more > info please? If the price is right I might buy one straight away. > I have heard on this list that if you don't plan on taking the vehicle > out on the public roads or property it won't be of any interest to the > inspectors and DOT in general. Look in the archive for references to [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] > inspectors and DOT in general. Look in the archive for references to > importing 110s from the UK or Europe. ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 9:48:22 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Blast from the past... Wow. I feel like it's 1996 all over again. These dusty old threads about winches, bulkheads, political correctness, origins of "breakfast", 101 importation and trailers have me pining for the old days. I guess the winter doldrums have set in for most of our fellow listers. Let's all wish real hard for an early spring so that these tired old subjects will be quickly forgotten and we can get back to talking about how to repair our Rovers. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: Re: In tow I seem to recall from Driver Ed (that's the name of the guy who taught me to drive) that the size of the tires on your tow vehicle has an impact on how fast you can travel. Something about diameter and rotational force vs. the law of mechanical advatange over the inverse square of how much weight and if you are in a series vehicle or a disco plushie times the amount of Guiness consumed at the time, or that may be the formula for picking the superbowl winner. Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: Breakfast I remember a discussion about this and theories about lights looking like eggs and dogs eating breakfast. This LR as meal theory is interesting, would that make the tailgate a snack? This would explain why many drivers seem to be trying to eat my a** in traffic!! Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:03:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Blast from the past... Talking about winter doldrums, you haven't had the news headlines dominated by two escaped pork chops, for the good part of a week! :-) Back to Landies... Just had a puncture repaired. By coincidence, I had one 2 weeks ago (at speed on a motorway sliproad). Luckily this one was during the day whilst I was on a fire training course (ie. I was parked). The repair place said I had two punctures and it was due to corrosion on the rim. Plausible. Rims: Rennovate, or replace? What does the panel think? I'd probably pay someone to do it, and fit new inners at the same time. Also get the tracking checked, and the steering tightened. (the sliproad puncture, is bound to have knocked the tracking for 6). Also, speedos: I've had a dead speedo. Just replaced the head with a 2ndhand one. The cog and the cable are both about 1yr old. The speedo is still dead. Anyone any ideas? Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR 25 yrs and 4 days old) PS: Yes, Beverley Archives are still open - I got my Vehicle Card p/copy 1 day after the truck's 25th Anniversary of being delivered to the British Army! badams@usia.gov on 01/23/98 02:48:22 PM Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: Blast from the past... Wow. I feel like it's 1996 all over again. These dusty old threads about winches, bulkheads, political correctness, origins of "breakfast", 101 importation and trailers have me pining for the old days. I guess the winter doldrums have set in for most of our fellow listers. Let's all wish real hard for an early spring so that these tired old subjects will be quickly forgotten and we can get back to talking about how to repair our Rovers. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:58:18 -0600 From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze) Subject: Re: 101 kits for sale?? > > I looked up that ad for 101 in crates. The Craddock salvage is the > >company & from 1765.99 lbs. (page 57 in land Rover World) It is just > >what we would love to have here in the US. IS there any company > >importing 101 legally or will for some one? > In all my dealings with importing, I have to say that these 101's, even as > kits are off limits. I got hired by a Disney Movie that wanted some 110's > and 101's recently. The only way I could get the vehicles in, and remember [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)] > to the trouble (USA) 04864 > 207.594.8086. Hmmmm. Really? I mean, say you ship the 101 in two lots, and that sucker is REALLY dissasembled. How the heck are customs going to be able to tell the difference between that pile of landy parts and the 100's of 40 foot containers that come loaded with landy parts for resale to places like ECRC?? You are importing parts. they stay as parts until they arrive on your ranch. Add water, bake for 6 months, presto, a fluffy 101. Just say they are parts, not a dissasembled 101. Note: I guess for a landy parts company, customs may get a bit shifty, but for a private individual....? Comments? Marcus ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:05:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Breakfast And my cab area smells of Austrian wine at the moment! :-) an icy morning. Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) pcg@tennis.org on 01/23/98 03:01:22 PM Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: Breakfast I remember a discussion about this and theories about lights looking like eggs and dogs eating breakfast. This LR as meal theory is interesting, would that make the tailgate a snack? This would explain why many drivers seem to be trying to eat my a** in traffic!! Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: Re: PC Submissions No not some sadomaschoist thing (See Subject line) I have seen from time to time arguments on the list of this sort when a member has been offended and we go into post after post discussing both sides. It can be ineteresting but it seems there is rarley a resolution. I suggest that all participants settle this like true Series LR owners. They get together on neutral territory and see who can get some old junk of a SIII to run at spec. In the interest of preserving the list I'll volunteer "Grendal" who is currently suffering from synchro problems in the tranny and bizarre wiper behavior. remember Keep Rovering Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JSmallals <JSmallals@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:01:30 EST Subject: Re: Big Sky Rovers (Montana) I have tried to order three seperate times from him: #1--he advertised four IIA jump seats in the original "elephant hide" for $50...I called him and he said "no problem" I'll ship them out to you in the morning. Three weeks later no seats. I call again and he says he got tied up and was unable to ship them, but he will send them the following morning...three more weeks, no seats. Starting to see a pattern??? #2--I tried again--he had a IIA hand throttle for $10!!!...I never saw the throttle...another canceled check. #3--good IIA tranny--$200--I call him and he tells me he has 3!! of them...will ship first thing in the morning C.O.D....ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...no tranny. Does this answer your question? James Small Denver, CO 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:03:41 EST Subject: Re: LWB Hoop Arrangement From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com> Could somebody tell me how the LWB hoods fasten to the windshield or bulkhead? It sounds to me that you have a set of hoops for a 3/4 canvas hood which still requires a truck cab to keep you dry. What you need are the 2 pieces that I believe are called "door frames" and the "screen top bar" that the canvas hooks onto. The "door frames" have gutters to help keep out the rain plus hooks that the canvas holds onto (and useually a hook to hang your coat on) these bolt to the "screen top bar" and to lugs on the frontmost of the rear "hoops" forming a solid frame for tensioning the roof. The "screen top bar bolts directly onto the top of the windscreen (surprising that) and is shaped to curve the canvas towards the screen and also has hooks for canvas atatchment. Now you know what you are looking for Good Hunting. Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid (with green mould covered rag top) <I ask this because I purchased via the phone the <3 hoops and crossmembers for about US$20 from a guy here in Finland, >who placed an ad in the bi-weekly trader paper here. Thus I presume I <have everything I need for a 3/4 hood, but what above my head? I don't <have a truck cab. What do you call the piece(s) I need above doors & <windscreen to fasten a full hood? Can one roll back the part above <the front seats with a full hood? What are my options? Excuse my [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] <naivete, as I've never seen up close a hood on a LR in my life! <R. Wade Hughes ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:28:14 -0500 From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: No LRO content - now bad towing experiences. Since we're sharing towing horror stories, I thought I might enter the fray. First, there was the time that we were towing a car trailer (unbraked) with a Toyota Cressida Station Wagon. One day, whole out for a ride, we threw a rod in our '09 Franklin...quick ride home, hook up the trailer and go back to retreive our car. Here's the picture: Franklin (rear wheel brakes only) facing uphill, Toyota (in park with no driver) with trailer backed up to rear wheels of Franklin...start rolling Franklin onto trailer....weight lifts rear wheels of Toyota off the ground....draw a diagram if you can't figure out what happened next. No one was hurt, thankfully. Next was the experience of flat towing my father's 109 back from Virginia with my 109. NEVER AGAIN!!!! Ten hours driving a naturally unstable rig...even at my young and stupid age...is way too much. Oh then there was the "Zippy-Tow" incident....but the towing wasn't so bad then ... everyone knows that story Seriously, I've had quite a bit of experience towing just about anything behind all different types of vehicles...the most important things to have are the proper equipment and patience. 1) Trailer: Anything beyond a lightweight utility trailer (1000 lbs or so) should have brakes....I've used both types (hydraulic and electric) and they both work fine...the electric have the advantage of being able to actuate them manually, the prevent a tail wagging dog scenario the hydraulics don't get drowned when you launch a boat...take your pick. If at all possible, use a trailer as opposed to a dolly or flat towing...if you know what's good for you. 2) Tow vehicle: Almost any heavy-duty vehicle will tow well (if you have the patience to put up with the lack of acceleration. What's most important is a proper hitch (I've seen some pretty good pretzel imitations) and a properly maintained braking system. Although I've never towed with an 88" or 90 the theory that they are better tow vehicles is sound. The moment for every movement of the tow vehicle is that much reduced....closer to the ideal of a fifth wheel trailer. I once towed a '31 Buick on a rental trailer behind a motorhome....talk about overhang....if not for the vastly greater weight on the part of the motorhome, the whole rig would have been seriously dangerous. 3) Tie-downs....very important...invest in some good ones. For years, I used whatever rope was available....until I saw an entire tow rig go over on the highway. Because the vehicle on the trailer was properly tied down, it never rolled off the trailer and suffered only minor damage. I cringe to think of the other option. 4) Loading: Follow the guidelines outlined in the "Land Rover Experience" Make sure that about 10% of the etire weight of the trailer is on the tongue...this makes a world of difference with stability. Many people don't do this becuase the rear suspension on newer vehicles is so soft, the nose of the tow vehicle ends up pointing in the air.... This is also a disadvantage with flat towing and tow dollies....its impossible to get such a weight on the dolly. 5) Patience---this says it all. What do I use now? I was lucky enough to win an aluminum fltbed trailer with four wheel electric brakes in a contest. Except for the lack of acceleration, the rig works great behind my V8 Rover. If I want a smoother ride or a little more stability, I borrow a friend's suburban. As always, YMMV Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:51:12 -0600 From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze) Subject: Re: No LRO content - now bad towing experiences. > 3) Tie-downs....very important...invest in some good ones. For years, I > used whatever rope was available....until I saw an entire tow rig go over > on the highway. Because the vehicle on the trailer was properly tied down, > it never rolled off the trailer and suffered only minor damage. I cringe > to think of the other option. Oh yeh Eric, you reminded of my third story... Towing a GT6 on the same trailer (now with 4 wheels again, and all grease caps in place) with an Isuzu Pooper (has no bearing on the story, other than to say it's a crap vehicle). Stopped at a toll booth in Chicago. Truck driver behind us is honking and flashing lights wildy at us. Get out and check the '6 to find the tie down chains have loosene/fell off and the GT6 rear wheels were hanging off the back of the trailer, almost ready to touch the ground (very Knightrider). Marcus ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 11:26:08 EST Subject: Re[2]: No Help for Chinese LR Owner > The RRO list >seems to have much less of this drivel. Hmmm... maybe I should check that out. I find it hard to believe though, considering how ridiculous things get on the Rovers North CoilSprunng P.O.S. b-board. (bored) later DaveB Coilsprung wanabee Arlington VA ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:58:51 -0600 From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> Subject: Breakfast >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Gussack <pcg@tennis.org> writes: Paul> I remember a discussion about this and theories Paul> about lights looking like eggs and dogs eating Paul> breakfast. This LR as meal theory is interesting, Paul> would that make the tailgate a snack? This would Paul> explain why many drivers seem to be trying to eat my Paul> a** in traffic!! Well, a breakfast is a piece of furniture, kind of like a hutch, with cabinets on the sides. If you squint at the front of a landy, I could see the resemblance. No, wait, that's a breakfront. Never mind. -MM ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:04:55 -0700 From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com> Subject: Re: Sound-deadening kits At 09:20 AM 23/01/98 -0400, LT J Jackson, wrote >I'm thinking Sound Deadening Kit. I've seen them in LRW (pretty fancy and >thus pretty expensive) and J. C. Whitney (A roll of something which, in black >and white on their flimsy catalog paper, looks suspiciously like a roll of >tarpaper with a 7000% markup). I just recently stumbled across a Web page that has some good information about doing your own soundproofing. The company in question sells sound deadening materials for aircraft which sure can be a lot louder than any LR. At any rate, in addition to flogging their stuff they have a very informative booklet on line about how to go about sound deadening for a/c, cars, trucks and boats without having to buy their stuff. http://aircraft_r.321media.com/soundprf.html The home page is http://aircraft_r.321media.com/sphome.html There's also a roofing material called "iceguard". It's a thin plasticky rubber like sheet substance sold in four foot wide rolls for about 75C$ which goes on before the shingles. There's a self adhesive kind I believe but I got the regular stuff and I found that two layers of it in the roof made an immediate difference. I do believe that I got the idea for using that stuff from someone on this list a couple of years ago but I can't remember who it was, sorry. Rick Grant 1959, SII "VORIZO" rgrant@cadvision.com www.cadvision.com/rgrant Cobra Media Communications. Calgary, Canada Aboriginal and International Relief Issues ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:16:50 EST Subject: Re: Sound-deadening kits >I'm thinking Sound Deadening Kit. I've seen them in LRW (pretty fancy and >thus pretty expensive) and J. C. Whitney (A roll of something which, in black >and white on their flimsy catalog paper, looks suspiciously like a roll of >tarpaper with a 7000% markup). get small sheets of sticky back tarpaper. Mount them individually on each piece of the friewall. One each on the floor panels. Spray the inside of the tranny tunnel piece with that tar-based undercoating. >Any replies appreciated. And thanks to all who helped out with locations for >a Hi-Lift mount. I still can't figure out where I want to mount it, though: >The right rear outside mount seems best, but - idiotically - I don't want to >cover up my cool Land-Rover/Station Wagon badge. Even Series owners have a >degree of vanity. aww come on jeff, just keep the jack in the living room. later DaveB ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:25:33 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Sound-deadening kits I do believe that I got the idea for using that stuff from someone on this list a couple of years ago but I can't remember who it was, sorry. That was your's truly...Mr. Cheapskate. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:29:27 -1000 From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Subject: Re: New Shelby Cobras I was reading something about the new old shelby cobra a couple of years ago. I seem to remember the article said that when shelby ended production back in the 60's or whenever, he had some left over pieces which he psuedo manufactured to get whatever is required as a titleable vehcile and then stored the pieces. They were not complete but I don't remember how far complete the article mentioned they were. The gist of the story was they were actually 1960's vehicles just being titled which allowed shelby to get around all the new safety requirements.. I could be wrong on the above but that is what I remember from the article. Aloha Peter >Having said that... I saw a special a few days ago about the new Shelby >Cobras that Carrol Shelby is making to battle all the "kit cars" that are >out there. The story said that he ships them from his factory as a kit, and >then a dealer puts them together with your choice of engine and trans. It >said that this got them around all the crash protection stuff etc. That >might be an avenue to check out, and might get you by some of the red tape. >From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)] >207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax >http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:53:18 -0800 From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com> Subject: Re: Sound-deadening kits Adams, Bill wrote: > I do believe that I got the idea for using that stuff from someone on > this > list a couple of years ago but I can't remember who it was, sorry. > That was your's truly...Mr. Cheapskate. > Bill Adams [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)] > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" More on this. Look into the black closed-cell foam used to insulate heating/cooling pipes, etc. Available from HVAC suppliers in rolls or sheets from 1/4" to 1" thick. Won't absorb moisture! Also I once used the waterheater insulating "kit" from a hardware store for the roof. It has a white liner and 2" fibreglas insulation. Maybe $10.00 total. Cheeeeeeeeep! Cheers Peter '60 109 '65 88 w/plow '70 88 for parts '73 88 daily '52 Champ getting uglier -- http://www.mailbag.com/users/nosimport/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:57:25 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: LWB Hoop Arrangement Paul Quin wrote: > Mr. Hughes writes: > >In my message about hoods, the bulkhead I referred to was the > one behind the seats...Isn't the front one the "breakfast"? < > The breakfast is the bit that holds up the radiator & headlights (on > older Series II's) [ truncated by list-digester (was 28 lines)] > > or: wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uhh, Your bulkhead would be a South African (regional derivative of Anglo Saxon normally referred to as "Sefrican") "firewall" - the thing that keeps your tootsies cool when your engine flames out. The "breakfast" is also known as the radiator panel. Regards Paul - for whatever this is worth - Oxley AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine http://Adventures.co.za ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:23:59 -0500 Subject: Re: No help for Chinese Land Rover Owner Folks, This is the last time you'll hear from me for a while (unless I see that the thread continues slamming me in public). My intent in my original followup to the thread was simply to state my opinion. If you don't agree with me that's fine. However, be aware that many different people and cultures are reading this list and it just doesn't make sense to offend people - there's no need for it. If you're looking for humor, there are plenty of appropriate forums for it. Consider that many people have limited time to read the list and non Land Rover content eats into that time. It's not a "PC" thing, it's a common courtesy thing. I checked the web archives today to see what was going on with this theread and was rather surprised what I found... As to the many follow ups from Michael Fredette that include text written by me (though never properly attributed), those were sent to him in private email. He never asked permission to post those to the list and I never intended them to end up there as I didn't want to keep this whole thing going in a public forum. It will be interesting to see if his final response to me ends up on the list, as it includes some very choice vocabulary that is not appropriate no matter what your opinion on the matter. I have unsubscribed from the list as of yesterday and will not be back in the forseeable future as I have quite frankly been soured on Series Rover ownership. If anyone wishes to continue this discussion, please take it to private email and don't subject the whole list to any more of this crap. As for Michael Fredette, please learn some internet etiquette - it could potentially save your skin sometime (there have been law suits over what you did). Don't worry, I'm not the sue happy type and have no intention of taking you to court over such a thing but think before you act in the future. The invitation is still open to you folks for the monthly meetings in Framingham, email me for details. I won't be posting the monthly invites to this list in the future. Finally, if you were driving a 109 west bound on the Mass Pike this morning in the Newton/Needham area around 7:30 this morning I saw your truck - nice. I was heading eastbound :(. Have fun and don't forget to play nice, Jeff Reynolds 1995 Beluga Black Discovery Rovers North Roof Rack 4 Hella Rallye 4000's 1 Hella Work Lamp ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:12:44 -0600 (CST) From: Neil Lamont <nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu> Subject: Re: EALeveritt@aol.com: E-mail Charges: (fwd) On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Mark Stephen Worthen wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:24:55 -0600 > From: Leonel J Bernard <joyleob@juno.com> > To: fbolek@aol.com, ddg001@sprynet.com, edagrahamsr@juno.com, > jhonca@juno.com, dale166@juno.com, sylvialn@aol.com, > tmason1@maine.rr.com, singl5@juno.com, mwballet@juno.com, > pablovance@juno.com, hlweaver@email.msn.com, fwise@juno.com, [ truncated by list-digester (was 76 lines)] > >>>Thank you. > --------- End forwarded message ---------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:14:17 -0600 (CST) From: Neil Lamont <nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu> Subject: Re: EALeveritt@aol.com: E-mail Charges: (fwd) On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Mark Stephen Worthen wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:24:55 -0600 > From: Leonel J Bernard <joyleob@juno.com> > To: fbolek@aol.com, ddg001@sprynet.com, edagrahamsr@juno.com, > jhonca@juno.com, dale166@juno.com, sylvialn@aol.com, > tmason1@maine.rr.com, singl5@juno.com, mwballet@juno.com, > pablovance@juno.com, hlweaver@email.msn.com, fwise@juno.com, [ truncated by list-digester (was 76 lines)] > >>>Thank you. > --------- End forwarded message ---------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:20:29 -0500 From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net> Subject: FRIENDLY WORD OF CAUTION WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES!!!!!! I sit here at my computer, attempting to focus with one good eye, and one with a half a dozen sutres in it. Last friday, I was cleaning up the shop (see what I get for that) and I disconnected a shop air hose. The end of the hose shot back at me and struck me in the left eye. I came very close to losing sight in that eye forever. Take my advise, invest in a decent pair of shop glasses, keep them clean and wear them!!!!! Its aufully hard to off-road by braille. ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: Holes in "Packet Shelf" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:20:37 -0800 A rather pointless question: I was sipping coffee and checking over my newly painted bulkhead last night when I noticed the four holes in the bottom of the 'packet shelf' (for lack of a better term) near the lip, in front of the passenger seat. There is a matching line of four holed under the steering column. I had assumed that these were drain holes for the shelf but that wouldn't make sense as they are not at the lowest point, where water would pool. Anybody know what they are for? Paul Quin 1961 Series II Victoria, BC Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:31:59 -0800 From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com> Subject: Re: Holes in "Packet Shelf" Paul Quin wrote: > A rather pointless question: > I was sipping coffee and checking over my newly painted bulkhead last > night when I noticed the four holes in the bottom of the 'packet shelf' > (for lack of a better term) near the lip, in front of the passenger > seat. There is a matching line of four holed under the steering column. > I had assumed that these were drain holes for the shelf but that [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > 1961 Series II > Victoria, BC Canada Paul, They probably facilitate navigation devises from the now-passenger seat. Whaddya think? Cheers Peter Too many LR's -- http://www.mailbag.com/users/nosimport/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:32:11 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: Holes in "Packet Shelf" On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Paul Quin wrote: > Subject: Holes in "Packet Shelf" > I was sipping coffee and checking over my newly painted bulkhead last paul, did you paint the bulkhead on or off the vehicle. i am thinking about painting mine on-the-vehicle a little at a time. move some stuff, degrease, sand some, mask some, spray. go on to next area. about 3 on the inside and 5 or 6 in the engine compartment. what do you think... the idea of taking it out is unpleasant. unhooking lots of things and doing bigger areas is not either... Sincerely, Ray Harder ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:43:14 +1000 From: Jack Chomley <tlink@pronet.net.au> Subject: Location Fairey Factory? Hi Roverologists, Can anyone please help me with the current address in the U.K. where the Fairey Overdrive is manufactured? I am making a trip to the U.K. soon and wish to visit them. Please reply to my personal E-Mail address, as I am not on the digest, Thanks in advance. Regards, Jack Chomley Telelink Communications (Australia) E-Mail: tlink@pronet.net.au ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:49:32 -0800 From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com> Subject: Re: Holes in "Packet Shelf" Ray Harder wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Paul Quin wrote: > > Subject: Holes in "Packet Shelf" > > I was sipping coffee and checking over my newly painted bulkhead last > paul, did you paint the bulkhead on or off the vehicle. i am > thinking about painting mine on-the-vehicle a little at a time. > move some stuff, degrease, sand some, mask some, spray. go on to next [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)] > Sincerely, > Ray Harder can't help it... it is Friday afterall. Is this where difficuties are made harder? (sorry ray) Peter http://www.mailbag.com/users/nosimport/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Holes in "Packet Shelf" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:59:53 -0800 Hi Ray, I had to replace both footwells so I decided to remove the bulkhead. It wasn't that hard to remove but as I haven't put it back yet...I'll let you know how it goes! If yours is not too rusty, your method of attack may work. I find that the more that I take off, the more work I find to do, so maybe some things are better left hidden ;-) I am also putting in a new wiring harness and stripping and repainting the frame. There was quite a bit of rust in the footwells and at least three coats of different coloured paint on the bulkhead so I decided to have it chemically stripped by a local company, along with the breakfast panel (that word again) Both panels were dipped in a strong solvent/acid solution and then pressure washed. They came back looking great with all the paint and rust gone from inside and outside. They were so clean that one of the body shops that I took them to thought they were stainless steel until I pointed out the rust holes...didn't go back there. I then took the bulkhead and breakfast panel to a local body shop and had new footwells put in along with some other minor body work. Both panels were then primed and painted in Limestone. They look great but the whole process ended up costing my about C$900.00 Still cheaper that a new bulkhead. Your process of working at it a little bit at a time is how I ended up doing the frame. Grind off the rust/old paint with an angle grinder and wire wheel on a drill, prime with Rust Destroyer (really good stuff) and paint. So far, I've done the frame from the 'Bulkhead Behind The Seats TM' forward. I'll take off the box and do the rear when the front is back together. I'll also be putting on a new rear cross member. Paul Quin 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray Harder [SMTP:ccray@showme.missouri.edu] >Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 1:32 PM >To: Paul Quin >Cc: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Re: Holes in "Packet Shelf" >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Paul Quin wrote: [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)] >Sincerely, >Ray Harder ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:54:42 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Nigel Strikes....Again Well, it happened again. I was asking a fellow lister how his rear lens was doing ( he'd just replaced it) when guess what, yep, your right. A few hours ago, I was taking another LRO baby for a run to show him how well it worked. As my driveway was blocked by a J&%p ( belonging to another lister, there John, I'll spread the heat ) I decided to back over the front lawn. While I was backing up, my fellow lister ( who shall remain nameless, right Cr*nfield ? ) was sitting in the back and watched me do a real nice number on one of my front trees ( I've never seen that one before). I heard his yell before impact, but alas, too late. And all this with the owner sitting next to me! I tell him we're just breaking it in for him, but I don't think he's too amused. The little spin through the woods went without incident ( I steered well clear of the trees ) and back home took a look at the damage. Broke the 4" amber lens,broke the red stop lens (yes, the hard to find long lens) and the reflector that goes inside this light, as well as a little crinkle in the galv strip. So I repalced the lens for him, and off he goes. He thought I was #1 though, waiving that finger at me as he left. Nice guy he was. Now if I can only remember where I put the chainsaw..... Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: caloccia@senie.com Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:11:05 -0000 Subject: Re: PC Submissions No. This list is definitely NOT the place for the discussion of submissive Police Constables. Maybe you could weasel it in on the UK list, but definitely not this one. Yours, the list TERMINATOR ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: Big Sky Rovers (Montana) >Does anyone on the list have experiences (good or bad) with this outfit? >They advertise a lot in Hemmings. >Norm Lewis I've never head anything good. You pay your money, you take your chances Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh, Pa. ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: FRIENDLY WORD OF CAUTION >WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES!!!!!! >I sit here at my computer, attempting to focus with one good eye, and one >with a half a dozen sutres in it. Last friday, I was cleaning up the shop >(see what I get for that) and I disconnected a shop air hose. The end of >the hose shot back at me and struck me in the left eye. I came very close >to losing sight in that eye forever. [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] >Take my advise, invest in a decent pair of shop glasses, keep them clean >and wear them!!!!! Its aufully hard to off-road by braille. Zippy, relax that's why god gave you TWO eyes. Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh, Pa. ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jtwinkle88 <Jtwinkle88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:56:46 EST Subject: Stripping off paint I was interested in a quicker way to take the 3 layers of paint off my Series IIA. I am currently working on the rear tub section. I am currently using chemicals to get this done. Has anyone used plastic media blasting to accomplish this. I restored a steel Vespa body and it worked well. This could be disaster for aluminum or is it?? Please don't suggest another stripper as I have tried several. Thanks John Jtwinkle88@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:05:55 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Nigel Strikes....Again Con P. Seitl wrote: > Well, it happened again. I was asking a fellow lister how his rear lens > was doing ( he'd just replaced it) when guess what, yep, your right. A > few hours ago, I was taking another LRO baby for a run to show him how > well it worked. As my driveway was blocked by a J&%p ( belonging to > another lister, there John, I'll spread the heat ) I decided to back over > the front lawn. While I was backing up, my fellow lister ( who shall > remain nameless, right Cr*nfield ? ) was sitting in the back and watched [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)] > Con Seitl > 1973 III 88 "Pig" Put that Chain saw down that is is Rose's tree! Besides it's not PC to cut down a tree ( see many other posts to see what happens if you arn't PC). And To all Lister please forgive me for owning a Jeep Cherokee...You see (sob) some times I just can't control my need for speed ( snivel snivel whine ) John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Rob Horstman <resrch!robh@molienergy.bc.ca> Subject: Question RE : Brakes Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:13:51 -0800 I have a question regarding the brakes on My '68 Series IIA. I have now removed all of the wheels , drums, etc... from my Rover, and have found something different on each corner ! On the rear, I have one wheel cylinder with 1 1/4" cups, and on the passenger side, the wheel cylinder has only 1" cups (and cylinder to match) On the front I also have one of each size ? Which is the correct one for the front ? Rear ? So far, all the suppliers local to me have given me conflicting answers. Also, anything special to making the brakelines myself ? I've been told to use a Double flare tool, but other than that ? So far, this is the extent of my buildup on my rover, one I get it rolling (and stopping <grin>) I will undertake the body and paint. Motor and drive train are excellent, so I suppose I will be cleaning them up, and painting everything there as well. Thanks in advance for any help. Rob ________________________________________________________________ Rob Horstman, Systems Administrator Email : robh@molienergy.bc.ca Moli Energy (1990) Ltd. 20000 Stewart Crescent, (604) 466-6654 local 1488 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada V2X 9E7 Visit us on the WEB @ www.molienergy.bc.ca ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:38:27 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Question RE : Brakes Rob Horstman wrote: > I have a question regarding the brakes on My '68 Series IIA. > I have now removed all of the wheels , drums, etc... from my Rover, and > have found something different on each corner ! > On the rear, I have one wheel cylinder with 1 1/4" cups, and on the > passenger side, the wheel cylinder has only 1" cups (and cylinder to [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)] > them up, and painting everything there as well. > Thanks in advance for any help. The small cylinders should be on the back and the larger ones should be on the front. Some PO got a little mixed up. John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:20:12 -0600 From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU> Subject: Ultimate towing story Hi all, As you may know I am a new owner. I bought my 88" from a farmer in a town about 20 miles from where I live. The vehicle had been sitting for 18 years and had no liscense or registration. I contacted a buddy of mine with a F-150 and arranged for he and I to go pick it up. The rover had a tow bar on it so we thought no problemo. But I never noticed that the towbar was intended for a tractor hookup. i.e. no ball only tow jaw w/a pin to hold it. Also there were no chains for safety nor lights. We got it all hooked up paid the man and were on our way. We got onto the highway and were cruising along at about 50mph when BLAM! SNAP! BANG! "What the hell was that" I said turning around to see. Sure enough my rover which I had just paid for and had no insurance was FREE!! Okay, I am hysterical screaming F%^K! F*&K! I had no Idea what to do. It is freewheeling at about 50mph directly behind us and as we try to slow down it is catching us. SHIT! we pull over into the ditch and slow down as my rover PASSES!!!! us. F*^K! It now has gone into the oncoming lane with no intention of slowing down. I can see the tow bar bouncing and taking chunks out of the asphalt. It then is headed directly for a speedlimit sign. WHOOSH!! it passes the sign on the right side in the bar ditch. Okay then it goes down in the bar ditch and comes back out. Back on the highway. Still must be doing 40mph. Misses another sign by no more than 3 feet and hits the soft shoulder. The tow bar still bouncing finally grabs ahold and digs in for good. Flips under the rover and LAUNCHES it about 4 FEET in the air. WHAM! the rover lands in the ditch front bumper digging into the grass rear end way up in the air with the tow bar firmly flipped under the bumper! It digs a TRENCH in the ditch about a foot deep and 15 feet long and finally comes to a stop. Okay you understand I was watching all of this from the F-150 and almost jumped out twice like I could do anything. So I go over to the rover and my buddy and I are wondering what to do. I get in it turns right over and I put it in reverse. Flipped the towbar over lifting the front end up in the process and gave it the quick onceover. DAMN the windshelid cracked. PERIOD. That was it. I was stunnned. These rovers are bad ass. I love it. I did finally get it home ALOT slower and ALOT of bailing wire. Thought ya'll might get a kick out of my first LR experience. Steve Fullwood ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:24:18 -0600 From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu Subject: ATTN: "Huub Pennings" "Huub Pennings" I am in Baton Rouge, LA , U.S.A. That's about one hour north of New Orleans. I couldn't e-mail you...kept getting returned...said your address requires 27 "hops" and 25 is the limit. This and the "nl" tagged to the end of your e-mail address, leads me to believe that you're pretty far away...like in New Zealand! Regards, Neil Lamont P.S. Is "Huub" a first name and "Pennings" a last name, or.....? -- ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:35:31 EST Subject: Re: Stripping off paint In a message dated 1/23/98 6:03:01 PM, Jtwinkle88 wrote: >Has anyone used plastic media blasting to >accomplish this. I restored a steel Vespa body and it worked well. This could >be disaster for aluminum or is it?? Can be done, but usually costs $$ or $$$. Airplanes, especially the Air Farce, use that method. The B2 "Spirit" uses walnut shells or something organic like that to strip off the stealth coating. Many places won't do flat aluminum because they're afraid of warping it and are unfamiliar with LRs. Some plastic media blasters can take paint of layer-by-layer, which is the greatest benefit to aircraft owners who only need to update a colorscheme without damaging the still-good primer layers, and it doesn't expose the skin to the environment. >Please don't suggest another stripper as I have tried several. So, tell us who was the best one?! I'm always looking for a stripper worth the money. >Thanks >John >be disaster for aluminum or is it?? Yer welcome, Pat. ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:27:11 EST Subject: Re: FRIENDLY WORD OF CAUTION In a message dated 1/23/98 5:32:06 PM, Eric Zipkin wrote: >>WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES!!!!!! >>I sit here at my computer, attempting to focus with one good eye, and one > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)] >>Take my advise, invest in a decent pair of shop glasses, keep them clean >>and wear them!!!!! Its aufully hard to off-road by braille. Then Russ added: >Zippy, relax that's why god gave you TWO eyes. Hmm interesting logic, but I follow it, that's why I wear a "box" or "cup", I was only given *one* you-know-what... pat 93 110 ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:44:25 EST Subject: Re: Ultimate towing story In a message dated 1/23/98 7:13:36 PM, you wrote: Everyone must have seen the story, and besides lro-muncher would digest the whole thing for dinner... [snip] >Steve Fullwood Steve, There's several awards given out each year, and you may be in the running for the "Towball Award"... There is probably an accurate description of the awards on the E.R.O.S. or OVLR faq pages. Congratulations on towing it home. BTW, anyone know who else is in the run for the Lugnut, etc. awards? pat 93 110 ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:47:15 EST Subject: Re: Ultimate towing story In a message dated 1/23/98 7:13:36 PM, Steve wrote: >As you may know I am a new owner. I bought my 88" from a farmer in a town >about 20 miles from where I live. The vehicle had been sitting for 18 >years and had no liscense or registration. I contacted a buddy of mine >with a F-150 and arranged for he and I to go pick it up. The rover had a >tow bar on it so we thought no problemo. See, here's testimony that one shouldn't let a Ford touch a Land Rover, let alone *pull* one ;-) pat 93 "been pulled by a Ford*" 110 *if you beg, I'll tell you. ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:55:35 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Landrover technical descriptions I've only seen the term "breakfast" used for the radiator panel used on this list and in OVLR publications. It seems to be local slang. I find "radiator panel" less confusing. Regards, David Cockey > Now for the real reason for the post: How did the radiator > shell/grill > come to be known as the breakfast. Was it the time honored tradition > of > cooking your morning 'bangers' on the rover grill over an open > fire????? ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:54:49 EST Subject: Penultimate Towing Story :( Along the lines of bad news towing... A friend of ours had loaded up their two foxhunting horses in the 2 horse and started to pull out. They headed up the hill from their barn and turned on to the main road. At that moment, the truck suddenly lurched forward. Looking back they saw their trailer heading back down the hill =8-0 The trailer crashed into the barn, at probably 30-40 mph; both horses had to be put down and the trailer was nearly totalled. All this from forgeting to put the cotter pin in the pin which holds the towball to the trailer hitch...safety chains snapped. On another note, my wife tells me the overrun type of trailer brakes have a greater propensity for jackknifing on hills and in emergencys. No person experience there. Oh yea, Rover related question: How far can one evaluate a gearbox on the workbench by just opening the top and bottom covers? Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:12:31 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience Garret Scott wrote: > We did not use a tandem trialer, but one of those which you > drive the rear wheels up on, leaving the vehicle facing backwards with > the front wheels on the ground (for a rear wheel drive vehicle > anyway). > The combination was stable only at certian speeds. Between the effective toe-out of the front-wheels when traveling backwards, and the compliance in the steering system I'm surprised it was stable at any speed. Trailer stability is strongly dependent on proper tongue weight. Generally 10% of trailer weight is recommended, though I've had good luck with 5% to 7%. Also, dual axle trailers are much more stable than single axle trailers (assuming the axles are straight). BTW, too much tongue weight can cause problems by unloading the front axle. We discovered this when towing a 88 on a U-Haul car hauler behind a Suburban. We used the tie down straps at the front of trailer, which place the 88 too far forward. On wet roads the front tires tried to lock when braking. In North America "over-run" brakes are commonly called surge brakes, and are the standard brake system used on boat trailers. Electrical brakes supposedly don't like submersion. I wouldn't trust 88 brakes with an unbraked trailer much over 1000lbs. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:37:14 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: New Shelby Cobras That was a different vehicle from the ones being sold as kits today. Shelby got in trouble with the Feds, and was able to negotiate a deal that let essentially let him sell the cars as race cars never to be driven on the public highway. I think that his celebrity status helped him with the deal. BTW, I don't think anything resembling proof of the exisistance of the chassis was ever established, but even if it had the Feds would not have cared. Another "loop hole" closed (or never opened). Regards, David Cockey > I was reading something about the new old shelby cobra a couple of > years > ago. I seem to remember the article said that when shelby ended > production > back in the 60's or whenever, he had some left over pieces which he > psuedo > manufactured to get whatever is required as a titleable vehcile and [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > to get > around all the new safety requirements.. ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:27:51 EST Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience In a message dated 98-01-23 20:13:13 EST, you write: << Trailer stability is strongly dependent on proper tongue weight. Generally 10% of trailer weight is recommended, though I've had good luck with 5% to 7%. >> Ya' know, everyone talks about tongue weight percentages but I gotta say, other than eyeballing how compressed the springs of the tow vehicle are, I really don't know a good way to estimate tongue weights when loading a trailer. Mostly I've trusted the design of the trailer and distributed the weight across the axles with slightly more weight in front of the axles than behind. Anyone have a good way to measure tongue weight? Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:44:06 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: 101 kits for sale?? East Coast Rover Co. wrote: > The story said that he ships them from his factory as a kit, and > then a dealer puts them together with your choice of engine and trans. > It > said that this got them around all the crash protection stuff etc. > That > might be an avenue to check out, and might get you by some of the red > tape. I believe several British kit cars including Caterham Sevens are openly and legally imported into the US in partially assembled form without powertrains and several other major components. The kits imported were not originally complete vehicles turned into kit form. There are also a number of kit cars sold in the US. Building your own vehicle is legal. So importing parts to build a vehicle seems to be legal as long as you are not trying to circumvent the laws on the importation of complete vehicles, assembled or dissasembled. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:03:53 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience Rest the hitch on bathroom scale (or put a bottle jack on a bathtoom scale and jack up the hitch) if the tongue weight isn't likely to exceed the range of the scale. Do this with the trailer unhitched from the tow vehicle. If the tongue weight is too much for the scale directly, use a timber as a lever to reduce the load on the scale. One end of the timber on a support and the other end on the scale. Then put the hitch in the middle of the timber. Measure the distance from the support opposite the scale to the hitch, and the distance between the support and scale. Then the tongue weight is the scale reading * (distance from support to scale) / (distance from support to hitch). Alternately, the tongue weight ratio is equal to: (the distance of the center of gravity of the trailer including load from the axle) / (distance from hitch to axle) Positive is cg ahead of axle. Regards, David Cockey > Anyone have a good way to measure tongue weight? ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:11:02 EST Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience In a message dated 98-01-23 21:04:29 EST, you write: << If the tongue weight is too much for the scale directly, use a timber as a lever to reduce the load on the scale. One end of the timber on a support and the other end on the scale. Then put the hitch in the middle of the timber. Measure the distance from the support opposite the scale to the hitch, and the distance between the support and scale. Then the tongue weight is the scale reading * (distance from support to scale) / (distance from support to hitch). >> Thanks David! I'm going to try this method this weekend for both the two horse bumper pull and the 5 horse gooseneck. Should be interesting. Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:19:35 -0500 (EST) From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" - My experience On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, David Cockey wrote: << David Cockey's clever use the bathroom scale elided>> I have seen a trailer tongue jack that included a scale. It only read to 300 lbs or so, so you might need something else if you have a heavy trailer. I have no idea where you can get such a thing. David/Mr. Sinclair, whose exhaust manifolds get really hot! > > Anyone have a good way to measure tongue weight? ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GA D 90 <GAD90@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:16:08 EST Subject: No Subject To any D 90 owner out there, will P255-85R-16 BFG MT tires fit a stock D90 without a problem ??? ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:09:20 -0500 From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net> Subject: Re: Towing with an 88" Mike, Thanks for the comments. I don't claim to be a towing expert either. But I do understand just how this European-car-fetish-disease works for American males. You buy/borrow/steal/take-donation-of/ that classic, sexy, older sports car which needs restoration, and, well, the next thing you know, you have to get if home at all costs. Possibly an accident waiting to happen. On the subject of trailer brakes, yes, our over-run or surge braked trailers work the same way. Most utility trailers in the US have over-run brakes, if they have brakes that is. Many trailers here do have electric brakes. They work well, but must be adjusted to the vehicle/trailer combination. As such, they are rarely found on utility or rental equipment. Perhaps I was a little bit too militant in my response. I agree that most imnportant of all is the driver, and his level of knowledge, experience and skill. I have used either one of my 88's for towing trailers without problems. I regularly tow a military trailer, often with a full ton load. But NOT for a long duration on an interstate highway, where the speeds these days in the US average 75-80 miles and hour, or higher. That in itself isn't terrible, but combined with the fact that most US drivers now become insane behind the wheel, it can make things hairy on the road. Much has changed here in the last decade. I'm trying to be honest, sure you can do it, but for me, and I would bet most people, it is not worth the risk or aggravation when there is a safer and reasonably economical alternative solution available. A major safety problem in the US, is that in many states there is NO kind of vehicle/equipement inspections or requirements outside of semi-trucks. I have NEVER had any of my vehicles, trailers, etc. inspected in Tennesse. Kind of like old Land Rover heaven, as you can drive with no brakes, wobbly steering, a swiss-cheese frame, broken springs, no lights, no wipers, no fenders, and bald tires. All with complete freedom (God Bless the USA). Well, until you have a accident anyway. I have rented more than one trailer that had NO working brakes. Sure, the manager/owner/mechanic/yardboy said they had good brakes, but they didn't. I can honestly say that in Knoxville Tennesee (I know, what do you expect for Tennesse) that of the tandem axle trailers I have rented over the last 2 years, that probably only 1 in 4 offered to me had good working brakes. One several occasions I have had to make the renter get me a different trialer, only to find out that althought the hydraulics were there, the brakes still didn't work. If you own your own trailer, or can source one you trust, you are far better off. On a more positive note, just a couple months ago I towed a large sized skid-steer-loader, with backhoe attachment and two extra buckets several dozen miles to my house with my Lightwieght, all after my FORD (FIX OR REPAIR DAILY for those who don't own one, and I'm not ashamed to admit it) F-250 (My Tool for towing) broke in route. The load, not counting trailer was around 12,000 lbs, and I was absolutely amazed that my lightwieght handled it. But I never went over 35 mph, and the skid-steer-loader was on a tandem axle, overload-braked trailer. I did have to move the skid-loader a little to reduce tongue weight. It took forever to get to speed and I used my TORO overdrive to split gears, but once going, it was no problem. I did hold up traffic, and didn't dare get near any interstate highway. But it was a Short, Slow trip during perfect weather in brite daylite. I suppose my strong feelings about the whole towing ordeal are the result of an accident that happened during my first year in college. Didn't involve me or LR's, but rather a large construction truck was towing a home made trailer on the interstate highway(I-40/75). The trailer was empty, but going about 65 mph. Unfortunatly the trialer broke behind the pintle eye, and the safety chain (only 1 in use) was a crappy, rusted-up piece of junk. Anyway the trailer, after breaking loose (and still going 65mph) smashed accross a 24" concrete center divider and hit several vehicles in oncomming traffic head on (also going 65 mph, for an impact speed of 130 mph). The result was that three of my classmates are now DEAD. Well that was many years ago. But I swear, everytime I look at a safety chain on a trailer I think of them, and thier mothers. ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihull@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:00:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phone number for Superwinch needed If anyone has a phone number or address for the below, Please let me know and I'll pass it on to this fellow. ******** X-From: UPBNICHO@ACS.EKU.EDU (Jami Nichols) Reply-to: UPBNICHO@ACS.EKU.EDU Hi. I apologize for this strange message, but I'm trying to find someone and I hope you can help. I live in Kentucky -- used to live in Leicester -- and lost track of an old friend whom I just found out works at Superwich in Tavistock, Devon. I typed Superwich on the internet search and Landrover stuff came up. Your e-mail address was one I thought might be in England. If you know what Superwich is, or how to get a phone number, could you pass it on to me? I'd love to get back in contact with this family and I've tried phoning the operator for a number but I keep getting cut off from the USA to England. I know this is odd -- I'm sorry! Have a good day, and greetings from Kentucky (where it's wet and chilly today). Thanks in advance if there's anything you can do. Jami Nichols ************* Cheers!! John Dillingham near Canton, GA KF4NAS LROA #1095 SoLaRoS #23 73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" 72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:21:32 EST Subject: Minshaft nut tool picture I posted an earlier message about getting a machinist to make new mainshaft nut tools (he will sell them). I managed to get ahold of a digital camera and get a side view of the tool in jpg format. Email me if you want a copy of it. You will need a viewer like Paint Shop Pro to look at it I think (free shareware download from web). I also think British Pacific may post it on their web site. I also have engineering design details available. (Please note, I am not affilated either with the machine shop or BP. I am just a Series LR owner who wanted a mainshaft nut tool for her kit & am providing this info as a public service). Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 '95 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: PTO What am I thinking At 10:25 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >Radio Emergency Corps here and having this vehicle with the pump, AC >generator and an HF and VHF station with a safari roof rack with a >tripod and antennas, makes this a very good emergency vehicle. I was Do you have any pics on the web or anything? This would be a totally cool vehicle to see. If not, I'd be happy to scan and post 'em for you. Thanks! Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:00:28 -0500 (EST) From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> Subject: wiring diagram help I have been having electrical problems with Land-Rover, which I don't suppose anyone is too likely to find suprising. I have sorted everything out, except the turn signals. I went to go look at the wiring diagrams, but I discovered that I have left my shop manuals at my parents. Is there an early IIA (positive ground) wiring diagram somewhere on the 'Net? The flasher circuit seems insanly complex. It is not helped by having wires that have more or less indistinguishable wire colors. David/Mr. Sinclair ------------------------------[ <- Message 71 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve & Leona Campbell" <campbell@zeta.org.au> Subject: Fw: The Chinese Debacle, Bulkheads&Canopys, and other Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:13:11 +1100 > I have been enjoying this list for a few weeks now (beats the NGs) but I'm > a bit worried at the amount of energy people seem to spend fighting over a > trivial matter which is long since over and done with (I don't want to go > into rights and wrongs), as far as I see it (and I may be wrong) someone > posted something that he thought we might find amusing or even be able to > help with, someone posted a parody of that letter which was dubious in its > 'correctness' but (I think) was intended to be humorous, someone was > offended by it and said so (fair enough), then all of a sudden it's world > war 3 (Land Rover style!)!!!! Perhaps I am looking at the newsgroups by > mistake! I dunno', it just seems a shame, that's all. I am a bit of a > comedian myself and had thoughts of writing a few funny articles and > sharing them with this list. I'm having second thoughts now! I'd hate to > factionalise the list even further. Perhaps we ALL need to take a step [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > As far as the canopy thing is concerned there are a couple of Galvanized > triangular sections (called Galvanized triangu...ok ok! ) which bolt to the > windscreen and attach to a couple of Aluminum runner type things that slot > down behind the doortop to accommodate the canvas and make it rainproof (?) > It sounds like you didn't get those bits. They also bolt to the first hoop. > (hope I'm not being too tecknuckel!) > Towing, all I can say is I'm glad I didn't hear those horror stories > It sounds like you didn't get those bits. They also bolt to the first before > I towed two and a half series ones behind a 2.4petrol Hilux 1500km across > Australia. I made it ok but in retrospect it was probably stupid. > Thanks once again for all those great people who sent onfo about S1s to > mistake! I dunno', it just seems a shame, that's all. I am a bit of a me, > I really appreciate it! And thanks to everyone who keeps this list such an > enjoyable read. I made myself a little ASCII signature before I found out > that they were offensive, sorry! > Thanks once again for all those great people who sent onfo about S1s to .......................................................................... > ___ __ > __| |_| \__ __/ S1 Steve Campbell > [_/~\__/~\_}; _/ 1950 campbell@zeta.org.au > ____(o)__(o)_______/ 80 inch ICQ# 5036527 > mistake! I dunno', it just seems a shame, that's all. I am a bit of a ............................................................................ ------------------------------[ <- Message 72 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:15:43 -0800 From: John Hong <jhong@best.com> Subject: read me? Re: Mr. AH SO, Chinese Landy man. Oh...I didn't have my glasses on and thought the subject was Mr. Asshole, Chinese Laundry man so I started loading my gun! :) Now now, no unisex undergarments in a twist, etc. When I saw the first reply (faux Chinese) to the rather lengthy tale of woe, I was slightly annoyed but, hey in the grand scheme of things...would we have reacted so if the original post was by an Italian and the reply was in faux Italian? While I have the soap box, if I could ask for ONE thing on the list, I wish people would take more care in <SNIP>ping when replying. Am I asking for a little or a lot? I guess that depends on if you are on digest mode or not! :) i guess these are the points I'd like to make. 1. To me, the really important thing is the tone/spirit in which something is said. In other words, was it said with ANGER? In Hawaii, (Hi Peter O!) the land of my youth, the races there make fun of each other all the time, they also share food, music, culture and genes. There would appear to be an increase in race problems recently in Hawaii but I would say they are really economic in origin. Hawaii is still the most harmonious place I know of in the world. I'd like to relate an incident at the last ARC rally I attend. A group of locals were talking about 4x4 vehicles and one of them said something to the effect of "all this rice burning garbage" just after he said it, he saw me and a look of deep and genuine embarassment crossed his face. I was not offended because I can appreciate how an economic distortion can express itself in racial terms. If he was genuinely racist, his reaction to me would not have been one of embarassment. I Sincerely hope that I will be able to attend the ARC rally this year! 2. To me the really sad thing is this Chinese incident has rekindled ill will between several people on this list. Much ANGER! As we say in the People's Republic of California, that's a lotta BAD karma Dude... I was living in the People's Republic of Cambridge (Boston, usa) when this PC/multiculturism stuff flared up. What if my heritage is to be a "redneck" Accepting a culture's food and song and dance is one thing - how about the tough stuff? Who are you to tell me what to think? Who are YOU to say my way is backward or barbaric or unnatural? What if WE WANT to make fun of each other? 3. I think Mike Rooth makes a lot of sense in his post below. We all use squelch, just to varying degrees. :) I will put words in his mouth and say that of course there are somethings you shouldn't ignore. But, IHMO, I would have considered this all ignorable. I say this as an Asian person who feels that with the fall of Communism, it seems that political polarization is being replaced with racial/economic polarization. I am assuming that Frank Yap is also Asian and I don't speak for him, but if anyone posts something to this list that I, as an Asian person finds *truly* offensive, I'll let you know, perhaps privately, perhaps publicly. Promise. Now about trimming them replies... :) Happy New Year! Happy 50th Rover Anniversary! john Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:08:46 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Mr. AH SO, Chinese Landy man. >Gentlemen,please. >It would seem to be much less stress to the psyche,on occasions such >as this,to adopt the English attitude.If there is something you dislike... >Ignore it.It will go away. >Cheers >Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 73 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980124 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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