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1 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world15Disco Wheels
2 "Paul Gussack" [pcg@tenn10spark plugs
3 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy18PTO Drives
4 "William L. Leacock" [wl9Gear lever
5 Sandra Harris [sharris@n15Re: Re[2]: Series Driver Tool Kit
6 Sandra Harris [sharris@n22Re: Ice Storm no LR content
7 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy17Squishey steering solved
8 "Steve & Leona Campbell"24Series1 Parts Lists/URLs/e-mail needed
9 "VAN HORN, JOHN" [jvanho20Removeable hard top
10 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns9Where is everybody??
11 David Scheidt [david@inf18Re: Where is everybody??
12 "T. F. Mills" [tomills@d14(Fwd) Tyres on 97 Camel discoverys
13 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [20Re: Isn't the hard top removable
14 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [64RE: Dilemma / expense.
15 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [35Re: propane
16 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [21Re: Wiring Harness Question Positive to negative earth


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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:09:08
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Disco Wheels

I think this has already been answered, but I can't find it in my files. So
here gos.

Will the steel Discovery wheels fit a series IIA 109 sw with 16" wheels? I
think I remember that the bolt pattern was ok, but I don't remember about
the center hole.
Also will these wheels take the 235-85R16 size radial tires?
 
Thanks in advance.
Jim Wolf 1966 109 12 seater sw "Vicky"

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:43:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: spark plugs

What would happen if you put spark plugs for an 8:1 2.25 in a 7:1?

Thanks
Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:59 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: PTO Drives

Has anyone got the rear PTO hooked up on the 88" IIA?  Is the shaft from
the rear PTO a one piece affair and is there a shaft hanger somewhere
along the way to the rear.  Does the shaft fit into a bearing at the big
hole or does the power take off head pulley unit carry the load in an
internal bearing.  What RPM is possible in each gear?  I suspect I will
have to reconnect the hand throttle unit up on my IIA.  So far I have a
lead on two units but does anyone have a complete unit with shaft and
pulley unit for sale.  The ones so far sound fine but are only the unit
that goes on the transmission.  One has the shifter and one doesn't.  I
have had the rear type but ones that use the other output locations seem
rare in Canada.  The net by the way has some really fine pictures if you
look under Land Rover PTO.
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:10:48 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Gear lever

Steve, if you don 't like the position of your gear lever, just  heat up the
bar and bend it to your preference.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:23:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Series Driver Tool Kit

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> > but running without that 
> >smelly 80/90 does slow down your forward momentum. ;-)
> ...and there are those who would dispute even that...right dix?

	90wt in the rear diff?  Mine has been without for 18 months now.
Amazed the thing has not blown up.  Missing at least six bolts.  When it
goes, the salisbury goes in (diff case is shot, doesn't hold oil very
well...)

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:43:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Ice Storm no LR content

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, john cranfield wrote:

>  The Toronto area escaped the worst of the storm while Montreal caught
> it the worst but Ottawa took a real bashing which we haven't heard too
> much from the OVLR crowd lately but I am sure Dixon will enlighten with
> afull report.

	As of today, Ottawa, Montreal , basically all the urban areas are
back to normal.  Power was out over huge areas.  In eastern Ontario at
least 4,000 poles are still down.  One OVLR member south of the city has
been told to wait about six weeks for power.  Most areas should be back on
like within the week.  Most of Toronto's hydro workers seem to be in the
region looking at the signs on the hydro trucks.  NY state too.
Everything was closed last Friday through Tuesday for the most part.
Montreal core was closed until Thursday I believe.
	Forests are heavily damaged.  In some places, acres of trees are
down.  Many look like toothpicks standing (conifers survived pretty well)

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:08:41 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Squishey steering solved

Well my question about the bad feeling I had with the suspension after I
replaced the springs has been solved.  I took it for a 4 wheel alignment
and the results showed a -0.95 left toe in and a right front of -1.15.
Both should have been at +.05 and +.10 for road crowning.  The rear was
not bad.  It makes a world of difference and my son says he can now let
go of the steering wheel and it tracks.  I wonder which of my last 7
Land Rovers ever did that.  Anyone care to comment on how a steering
damper felt before and after on the Land Rover.  This is something I
have often thought of buying.
Dave VE4PN
P.S.  if any hams are around this evening from about 0100 GMT at
14150-14160 I will be on 20 meters.

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From: "Steve & Leona Campbell" <campbell@zeta.org.au>
Subject: Series1 Parts Lists/URLs/e-mail needed
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:11:55 +1100

Hello there brothers (and Sisters)
This is my first posting to this list, though I have been watching with
interest for some time. I am a little disappointed at the lack of Series 1
owners out there (It can't be that the vehicle is so reliable that their
owners have nothing to talk about?). But anyway, perhaps someone can help
me. I would like to know if any parts suppliers (of S1 parts) have URL's
and e-mail addresses. I am a bit impatient and thought that if I could
e-mail for a list it would save a few weeks in the snail mail
(Syd->UK->Syd). I particularly need information on electrics and rubber
seals. Thank you all for providing a varied and entertaining list, I look
forward to it every day. If there are any other 'Original' Land Rover
owners out there who would like to get in touch, please do so. Mine's a
1950 80" (narrow springs), Truck cab, 2 Litre. Vehicle number 06110316.

Steve Campbell
Driver Trainer - Land Rover Owners Club of Australia (Sydney Branch) 1997-8
Member Yorkshire Land Rover Owners Club 1996
President - Land Rover Owners Club of Australia (Sydney Branch) 1995

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From: "VAN HORN, JOHN" <jvanhorn@premier1.net>
Subject: Removeable hard top
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:06:56 -0800

I'm concidering having a removable hard top made for my truck... is there
anyone else who has made one or would be interested in one.  John.

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> From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
> To: mog@ListService.net
> Cc: lro@playground.sun.com; rro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: MOG Surplus Tyre Chain site on the Web
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 1:50 PM
> I found this site a few weeks ago on the web.  They seem to be selling a
> lot of US Mil surplus tyre chains in a large range of truck tyre sizes. 
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> Rover and UNIMOG vehicles.  I have no connection, other than as a
> possible customer, with any of the companies involed.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:17:07 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Where is everybody??

Is it just me or is the Major having problems again??

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:03:50 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: Where is everybody??

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Con P. Seitl wrote:

> Is it just me or is the Major having problems again??
> Con Seitl

I got this.  I am getting messages, though at a rate lower than normal.
There are on the order of 275 names on the real time list, which seems
right, so I don't think there has been a mass unsubscription.  

david/ mr sinclair 

> 1973 III 88 "Pig"
> Con Seitl

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:20:56 +0000
From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: (Fwd) Tyres on 97 Camel discoverys

Please reply to <dbruce@logicworld.com.au> as well as to the list.  
TIA
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> From:          Daniel Bruce <dbruce@logicworld.com.au>
> Subject:       Tyres on 97 Camel discoverys

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> Many thanks
> Dan Bruce

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:03:46 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Isn't the hard top removable

	Four bolts on the body and the bolts on the windshield and two people can
remove the top.  
	What different type of removable hardtop are you considering???
Aloha Peter

At 06:06 PM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm concidering having a removable hard top made for my truck... is there
>anyone else who has made one or would be interested in one.  John.
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>> From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
>> To: mog@ListService.net

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>> Rover and UNIMOG vehicles.  I have no connection, other than as a
>> possible customer, with any of the companies involed.

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:00:49 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: RE: Dilemma / expense.

	I agree with Bill.  My two rovers are the cheapest auto's that I have
owned.  Even my 109 which was bodily perfect but mechanically trashed
hasn't cost me more than $6,000 and that includes a professionally rebuilt
5 main engine.  Of course its been a garage queen since I haven't installed
the new engine after the supposedly just rebuilt one that came with, spun a
bearing after 4 years of ownership.  But its got all new brakes, wheel
bearings, springs, a rebuilt trans, an overdrive, etc.  The 88 that's been
mine since 1984 probably has cost less than $8,000 and that includes a
parts car and rebuilding practically every system including the engine
since I bought it.  	
	The outlay seems to go in spurts, however.  I dropped a couple grand in
the 88 within six months of purchase for things like exhaust, head
machining, seats, weber two barrel, rebuild kits for the hydraulics, etc.
It then ran for 7 years and many 10's of thousands of miles without a
problem.  The trans went so while I had the trans out to swap in the one
from my parts car, I thought I'd repair a slight rear main leak, one thing
lead to another and I ended with the engine's guts spread around the garage
and doing a complete rebuild.  Once I got it rebuilt and running I had one
problem after another as parts that I didn't replace during the rebuild
quit, apparently because of the two years it took me to get the engine back
together.  Still it wasn't that expensive to do all the work, just
frustrating as one small thing after another went over a period of a couple
of months.  Engine parts and machining were something over $1,000.  New
water pump was terrible at $200 plus but I paid $220 just to have the
thermastat replaced in our Maxima.  I think it cost me $8 and about 20
minutes to replace the one in the rover.  New fuel tank, distributor, a
power brake biscuit, new brake shoes, and other parts came to something
over $1,500 but I now have a ratty old, nearly new 20 year old 88.
	In contrast, my ex Montero Super Deluxe would cost me $500 to allow the
dealer to let me drive in the parking lot.  4 sets of front brakes, several
thousand dollars in routine maintenance and a manufacturer that wouldn't
stand behind their product, convinced me I needed only the rovers for a
4x4.  With depreciated value and the repair/maintenance costs, the Montero
cost us more than $10,000 to drive for 6 years.  Makes the rovers look a
deal as they have been around nearly three times as long, have gone more
than twice the miles and  have only cost a few thousand more dollars, not
counting the value of the rovers as I still own them.  
	Doing nearly all the work myself has definitely made the rovers
affordable.  But I can do the work myself.  Open up the bonnet and there is
an engine under there.  20 minutes and I can have the front wing off and
get right into the innards.  The newer cars seem to take more time just to
find the offending part and twice that long to figure out how to start to
get at it.  The thermostat on the Maxima is a prime example.  Had to remove
the intake manifold to get at it.  Since its my wife's car which she can't
afford to have it tied up while I fiddle with it, it was off to the
professional garage to have the $40 thermostat replaced.  40 f*****g
dollars for a thermostat and 3 hours labor.   
	Give me the rover, any day.  
Aloha Peter

At 11:44 AM 1/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I have to argue the point of Rovers being expensive to repair/maintain.
>As far as imports go (speaking from Canada) my '61 88 is the cheapest
>vehicle I have owned - by far.
>They are cheap because they are simple.  I just bought a brand new

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>>'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
>>"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:44:12 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: propane

	Don't think I'd go to propane, it has a significant impact on the
horsepower output.  Something about lower BTU output.  Did a propane
conversion on the 5K generator we used to use to power our house.  It
functioned like a 4k generator afterwards.  Wouldn't power the same amount
of electrical equipment as with gasoline power.  We lived with it and cut
down on the number of electrical goodies we tried to run at same time.  The
rover is so underpowered, don't think you'd be happy, especially if there
are any hills in your future.  
	I also think you get poorer gas mileage though I may be wrong about this.
In normal parts of the world, propane is cheaper than gasoline by a
significant amount so the actual cost to run is actually lower with
propane, however.  Here in Kona, for some reason, propane is more expensive
than gasoline which is a $1.80 a gallon.  Check and make sure that the
propane is actually cheaper where you live.  
	One thing about propane is that it sure burns clean.  Ran the same plug
for a 1,000 hours and only changed it because I didn't think it would last
forever. 
Aloha Peter 

At 11:47 AM 1/15/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a company that makes the 
>propane components for the Rover 2.25 litre engine. I was thinking 
>that if I could get just the asperator parts then I already have a 
>good system which I could move over to make a duel propane/petrol 
>system. The idea was sparked by reading an article a few months ago 

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>Charlie
>and Flannigan (1967 Dormobile)

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:47:37 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Question Positive to negative earth

Changing from + to - earth is only the matter of reversing a couple of
wires.  Shouldn't be a concern.  Check the Rovers North Web Site for
instructions on making the changeover if you want to know how to do it.
Aloha Peter

At 08:55 PM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, I'm almost ready to hire a new wiring harness for my '68 IIA from 
>British Wiring Inc (Olympia Fields IL), who I'm told have about
>the best price going.  Couple of questions:
>1. there are 2 options a) braid wrap and b) pvc wrap.  The second is
>less expensive.  Any reasons I shouldn't go that route?
>2. the ownership for my 88" says 1968, which according to the 

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>Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
>  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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