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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:02:08 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe

R. Wade Hughes wrote:
> Price from Paddock delivered:  £65
> Local Price:    750mk approx.  £75
> Made by Jackall in Milverton, Ontario
> What do they cost at home?...
> "2nd Law of Thermodynamics be damned...Just fix it."

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
>  or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
They cost about those numbers but in Canadian Dollars. so UK prices are
high given the exchange rate.
     John and Muddy

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From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com>
Subject: RE: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:20:56 -0500

In the US SAM's club sells them for $39

-----Original Message-----
From:	R. Wade Hughes [SMTP:hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com]
Sent:	Friday, January 16, 1998 4:12 AM
To:	lro@playground.sun.com
Subject:	Re: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe

Just brought my hi-lift up from the receptionist here to my desk:
Price from Paddock delivered:  ?65
Local Price:    750mk approx.  ?75
Made by Jackall in Milverton, Ontario
What do they cost at home?...

"2nd Law of Thermodynamics be damned...Just fix it." 
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, Network Management Systems    
NTC Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor        82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    (in Canada)
00045 Helsinki, Finland       70 Land Rover SIIA Petrol Hardtop "Zenith"
Tel. (358-9)-511-6332         73 Citroen 2CV (6-engine) Red     "Zephyr"
Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Net: hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
 or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:37:23 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

Wasn't it the A-class Mercedes that failed this test?

At 07:39 PM 1/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Easton Trevor wrote:
>> The Mercedes SUV sufferred from a potential rollover condition
>> highlighted by the "Moose Test" in a Swedish car magazine. Mercedes
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 11 lines)]
>> keeping lateral g within safe limits. Thus the vehicle can't roll over.
>> It hits the moose but doesn't roll!!!

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>introduced at the Tuktoyaktuk International Motor Show.
>    John and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:41:42 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe

-- 
Just goes to show you that it's not always such
a dilemma having a LR in N. America,
especially with your petrol/gas prices ;?)
R. Wade Hughes in Helsiki, Fi.
Outside 1-2C, rain...
Wishing I was in sunny Vancouver.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:53:56 -0500
From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe

$39-45 in the Central tractor stores(agricultural supplies) in the UAS

matt Nelson

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:58:34 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Dunsfold

	Does anyone have Dunsfold's Fax number handy?  I don't have a copy of LRO
or LRW here at work....thanks.

	Eric

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:08:09 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Dunsfold

I've got here:
ph. 44-1483-200-080
fax 44-1483-200-738
Have a good weekend...
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, Network Management Systems    
NTC, Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor        82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    (in Canada)
00045 Helsinki, Finland       70 Land Rover SIIA Petrol Hardtop "Zenith"
Tel. (358-9)-511-6332         73 Citroen 2CV (6-engine) Red     "Zéphyr"
Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Net: hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
 or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dan Prasada-Rao (301)757-1571x18" <prasadaraodp.nimitz@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner

>>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:13:21 -0500 (EST)
>>From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)

>>I went through this a short time ago, and I don't know what the
>>advantages/disadvantages between the two are. I know if you get the new
>>type of tesioner with the pad you have to get the corrisponding chain for
>>it. I already had a brand new chain for the old style so I went with the
>>original wheel type, if this hadn't been the case and I needed the chain
>>also I would have gone for the new type just because it was a few bucks
>>cheaper and availability in the future will probably be better, mind you
>>the original one lasted 37 years so who really cares right... :)

>>Keith

>>1961 Series II 88"
>>Ottawa

I didn't realize they required two different chains.
You probably hit the biggest difference on the nose with the few bucks
cheaper comment.  It just seems a shame to compromise what seems like a
great set up.  I'm continually amazed at some of the features these old 
engines have.  These are things that hot rodders and other motor heads
drool over.  Things like roller lifters, oil jets under the pistons,  and
the windage tray in the oil pan. 

Thanks for the help,

Dan Rao
'63 109" Station Wagon

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 18:03:01 EST
Subject: Re: Dilemma

anybody out there have a late IIa/SIII smiths heater motor that works? 
mine's pretty bad.
I'd take it w/the fan if its available.

thanks
DaveB
arlington VA 

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From: JB Kropp <JB@flycast.com>
Subject: Wanted LR
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:31:55 -0800

I am looking for a Series IIa or III in good running condition.  I live
in the SF bay are and willing to travel to get it.  Anyone have any
leads?

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From: "MALCOLM R FORBES" <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:20:33 -0500

Although they can run a lot faster, the series LRs are 40-45 mph cars. 
Much over that and you can sense - if you  have any feel at all for a
machine -  that you Landie is not really enjoying itself.  

I can tell when I am going fast enough thanks to a sort of semi-automatic
cruise control.  When the engine, transmission, tire, wind, exhaust and
road noise are loud enough that I can no longer hear the radio, I back off.
 That occurs at about 55.  

I get depressed when I check gas mileage though I think I do better than
many on the list at near 16mpg.

Diesel is easy enough to find any place they have trucks.  You get to know
the gas stations that stock it and go there regularly.  (I had a Ford
Escort diesel for about 250,000 miles@ a 50mpg & 0 acceleration).  

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   ________
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\____Dory____/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm Forbes
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> From: "Michael Bateman" <mbateman@telisphere.com>
> Subject: Advice - engines
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:11:18 -0800
> 	so how slow is slow and how noisy is noisy?  
> 	How much of a pain is it to find diesel in the boonies?  

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:54:13 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: That diesel experience...

The Mostly Metro listers will attest to the fact that my diesel isn't 
exactly Smokey bait on the roadway (oops, forgot to unlock the hubs). On 
the other hand, they'll certainly agree that the diesel outperformed the 
v-8 powered 90 in a deep mud situation. Who cares if the Forest service 
dropped a load of fire retardant on what they must have assumed was a 
rolling inferno ( it smokes a little )

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Michael Bateman" <mbateman@telisphere.com>
Subject: Diesel LR's
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:39:08 -0800

Well, from the responses I've gotten here and on the Rovers North bulletin
board, as well as all the searching I've done through web pages and
archives etc, I am still firmly on the fence in regards to whether or not I
want a diesel.  So -what I'd like is to find someone in the general
vicinity of Seattle, WA who could take me for a spin in a diesel and let me
see for myself what it's like.  

Also, if there's anyone out there interested in trading a Series IIa for an
'83 Mazda RX-7 Limited, '83 Ford F150 4x4, assorted Pentax cameras and/or a
10"x24" logan metal lathe let me know.  These all have to go before I can
really entertain LR ownership, so help me out here ;)  Hint - the lathe
fits in the back of the Ford nicely.....I'll even load it for you.....

Am I correct in assuming that it is no problem to purchase a LR in Canada
and bring it into the states (WA) if it is '71 or older?  I also gather
there is an import duty due, of around 2.5 percent - is that also correct?

Michael

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:45:52 +0100
From: Ketil Oftedahl <ketil.oftedahl@robin.no>
Subject: Re: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

SPYDERS wrote:
> In a message dated 1/16/98 1:22:45 AM, you wrote:
> >The Mercedes SUV sufferred from a potential rollover condition
> >highlighted by the "Moose Test" in a Swedish car magazine. Mercedes
> >responded quickly with mods to the suspension, tyres and ECU.
> Wasn't that the A-class mini-sedan for Euro markets? I didn't think they got
> the US-built SUV (ML320?) yet...

Yes, it was the A-class that rolled over.
I heard that (one of) the reason(s) this problem wasn't detected during
the pre-production testing was
that somebody in the management decided to run computer simulations
insted of doing "real" testing of 
the prototypes - to shorten the development time and get the car on the
market earlier!

> Whatever. I think they look funny (both the A- and the SUV); and I heard a
> reference to airplanes that probably applies here too. "If it looks funny it
> probably flies funny; if it looks right, it probably flies right..." And to me
> they just don't look right. Not like some of the other MB products (55 300sl,
> 69 280sl etc.)

The 4WD Mercedes Geländewagen (G-class ?) also looks "right" - almost as
good as a series LR.

Ketil
1973	SIII 109" diesel

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:21:06 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Diesel LR's

> F> Also, if there's anyone out there interested in trading a Series IIa for an
> '83 Mazda RX-7 Limited, '83 Ford F150 4x4, assorted Pentax cameras and/or a
> 10"x24" logan metal lathe let me know.  These all have to go before I can
> really entertain LR ownership, so help me out here ;)  Hint - the lathe
> fits in the back of the Ford nicely.....I'll even load it for you.....

What kind of shape is the 4x4 and mazda in? If Ok I may be interested...

> Am I correct in assuming that it is no problem to purchase a LR in Canada
> and bring it into the states (WA) if it is '71 or older?  I also gather
> there is an import duty due, of around 2.5 percent - is that also correct?
> really entertain LR ownership, so help me out here ;)  Hint - the lathe

Correct. However, easiest is a vehicle up to December 31st, 1967, no messing
at all. If using the 25 year roll around thing, there is a bit more paperwork 
involved (i.e., for bringing in a 1968 to 1972, depending on build date for
the latter). Yes, the duty is 2.5% on the value of the truck determined
by the purchase price/bill of sale.

Marcus

Also

> Michael
> and bring it into the states (WA) if it is '71 or older?  I also gather

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:22:42 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Wanted LR

> I am looking for a Series IIa or III in good running condition.  I live
> in the SF bay are and willing to travel to get it.  Anyone have any
> leads?

Look at http://www.calmit.unl.edu/tooze/carawagon

If you don't have web access, give me a call at 402 472 0306.

Marcus

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: FW: Help with rough idle - sucking exhaust.
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:04 -0500

Dave,

Have you found the trouble with the rough idle yet?

If not, here are some thoughts for you:

> 1)  The compression sounds a little low.  Factory specs call for 145
> lb / sq in for a 7:1 and 160-170 for an 8:1  This could be one cause
> of your problems... Your rings may be going.
> 2)  High HC levels are a result of only a few possible root causes
> other than compression.
	A)  Carburetor set too rich.
	B)  Ignition timing retarded.  I assume that the ignition timing
should be somewhere around 3-6 degrees BTDC (see specs and set per
spec).  Note that the vaccum advance would have nothing to do with idle
HC, but it could be a factor on WOT power if not functioning.  I would
check for ignition being off one tooth or so.
> 3)  Valves could be sticking, floating, or not sealing.  The
> compression is an indicator.  
> 4)  Valve timing could also be a cause.  Check the cam timing per the
> manual.
> other than compression.
Hope this helps.

Kevin
Greenville, SC USA
'67 SIIA 88"
http://members.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:17:39 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dilemma

If you arn't too attached to authenticity a motor and fan cage from a 
Chev Cavalier will fit if you enlarge the hole. It moves at lot more air
which is good.
     John

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:55:38 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: Main Lever

Hi,
	I have a 61' Ser II LHD.  I was wondering if anyone else thinks their main
lever is WAY out there.  It seems far to reach.  Is this just a
idiosycratic thing.  Is there a specific LHD main lever made.  I have to
justify this in saying mine is the ONLY series LR I have ever seen and was
bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.

Steve Fullwood

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Main Lever
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:55:43 -0800

I also have a '61 Series II LHD and find the shift lever ( I am assuming
that's what your talking about?) just about in the right place.  I also
drive a 5speed BMW and find the lever locations similar in reach,
although the Landy's is much higher and has a much longer throw.

Paul Quin

1961 Series II SWB
Victoria, BC  Canada

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Steve Fullwood [SMTP:ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU]
>Sent:	Friday, January 16, 1998 2:56 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Main Lever

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
>bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
>Steve Fullwood

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:07:47 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: RE: Main Lever

At 02:55 PM 1/16/98 -0800, Paul Quin wrote:
>I also have a '61 Series II LHD and find the shift lever ( I am assuming
>that's what your talking about?) just about in the right place.  I also
>drive a 5speed BMW and find the lever locations similar in reach,
>although the Landy's is much higher and has a much longer throw.
>Paul Quin

Other than the higher location and longer throw, can we assume that other
characteristics for the cars are about the same???

Clayton

>1961 Series II SWB
>Victoria, BC  Canada
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	Steve Fullwood [SMTP:ansdf@TTACS.TTU.EDU]
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]
>>justify this in saying mine is the ONLY series LR I have ever seen and was
>>bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>>bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
>>Steve Fullwood

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:19:56 EST
Subject: Hummbug-little LR content

I saw this miniHummerthing and thought that the same concept could be applied
using D90/Series bodies as inspiration. 
<A HREF="http://www.kitcar.com/hummbug.html">The Hummbug--a hummdinger of a
sport utility vehicle</A> Or try this URL: http://www.kitcar.com/hummbug.html

pat
93  110

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:44:37 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Main Lever

Steve Fullwood wrote:
> Hi,
>         I have a 61' Ser II LHD.  I was wondering if anyone else thinks their main
> lever is WAY out there.  It seems far to reach.  Is this just a
> idiosycratic thing.  Is there a specific LHD main lever made.  I have to
> justify this in saying mine is the ONLY series LR I have ever seen and was
> bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
> Steve Fullwood
If you don't like it you can heat the stick at the bottom to a cherry
red and bend it to the position you prefer.Total job time 3 mins.
       John and Muddy

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Main Lever
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:47:03 -0800

Clayton speculates:

>Other than the higher location and longer throw, can we assume that other
>characteristics for the cars are about the same???

Actually, the Bimmer's 2nd gear synchro is about toasted,  so the shift
is really quite similar...

Don't think that I'll try re-building that one myself yet.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Clayton Kirkwood [SMTP:kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com]
>Sent:	Friday, January 16, 1998 3:08 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	RE: Main Lever

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
>>>bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
>>>Steve Fullwood

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:02:59 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: timingh chain

Damn writes. 
I noticed in the R#$^s N*&^h catalog that there seem to be two types of
timing chain tensioners, one with a wheel and a different type with a pad. 
The wheel type is the one that I've seen in Haynes and other books and on
my engine.  The pad type is listed the catalog as an update. 

Can anyone help me out with advantages or disadvantages of either type?

 Both pieces are necessary, the pad goes on the tight side of the chain and
the  hydraulic ? spring loaded wheel is fitted to the slack side of the
chain. The picture in the manual, when you get it, will make it all plain.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:01:22 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: lucas 18 acr alternator help?

I have a Lucas 18ACR a;ternator (at least i think that is the lucas
number, it's the 43 amp thing found in lots of LBC from about 1975.  I
presume it is internally regualted?  And which of the terminals is which?
There are three, one in the middle with a 1/2 disconnect plug, which I
presume is the outut, and two others with 1/4 inch male disconnects.

thanks

david

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Subject: Re: That diesel experience...
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 16:06:25 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>

I keep listening to diesel owners say how much better their LRs are 
beacuse the torque is so high  and it peaks at a lower RPM. {A quick run 
out The Green Rover to grab vol 1 of the work shop manual out of the 
right wardrobe}

4 cyl Petrol(7:1) 77Hp @ 4,250 RPM, 124lb/ft @ 2,500 RPM
4 cyl Petrol(8:1) 81Hp @ 4,250 RPM, not provided
4 cyl Diesel(23:1) 62 Hp @ 4,000 RPM, 103 lb/ft @ 1,750 RPM
6 cyl petrol (7:1) 90 Hp @ 4,500 RPM, 132 lb/ft @ 1,500 RPM
6 cyl petrol (8:1) 95 Hp @ 4,500 RPM, 134 lb/ft @ 1,750 RPM

Looking at the specs provided in the factory manual, it looks like the 
Land Rover six cylinder is the best all around FACTORY engine for the 
series III and older Land Rovers.

For everything except very low RPM driving it looks like all the petrol 
engines will out perform the 2-1/4L Land Rover Diesel.

One of the problems we owners of series LRs encounter when offroading in 
situations like serious rock crawling where you need to go very slow, or 
in places where the engine simply does not have the power to keep the RPM 
up is that the first gear is geared too high for the engine.  When you 
can not go fast enough to reach 2,500 RPM in a LR with a 4 cyl LR, the 
Diesel LR will have the advantage.  But once you can get up on the petrol 
engine's torque curve it has the advantage. The much maligned LR 6 cyl 
has the advantage all the time.

The 8 cyl LRs are geared much higher. They seem to have a hard time going 
slow enough for serious rock crawling, and are WAY down on the torque 
curve when the are.  Some people on the West coast solved the problem by 
placing series diff ratios under their 8 cyl LRs.  They loose off the 
high end but they are MUCH improved off road.

I have been told that there are cab forward transfer cases with a much 
lower low range.  That would really help the 4 cyl petrol engined LRs.

>The Mostly Metro listers will attest to the fact that my diesel isn't 
>exactly Smokey bait on the roadway (oops, forgot to unlock the hubs). On 
;the other hand, they'll certainly agree that the diesel outperformed the 
;v-8 powered 90 in a deep mud situation. Who cares if the Forest service 
;dropped a load of fire retardant on what they must have assumed was a 
;rolling inferno ( it smokes a little )
;;>Bill Adams

TeriAnn Wakeman 
Santa Cruz, California

NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS twakeman@cruzers.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:13:12 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

Ketil Oftedahl wrote:

> Yes, it was the A-class that rolled over.
> I heard that (one of) the reason(s) this problem wasn't detected
> during
> the pre-production testing was
> that somebody in the management decided to run computer simulations
> insted of doing "real" testing of
> the prototypes - to shorten the development time and get the car on
> the
> market earlier!

I've read that the M-Class was recently tested and passed the "moose
avoidance" test. But the Swatch car had problems also.

This test is not a govenmental standard, rather it is a test by an
influential magazine in Sweden that MB either wasn't aware of or didn't
use during development. I doubt the use of computer simulations had much
to do with it. Computer simulation permits exploration of a much wider
envelope than prototype testing alone.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:21:13 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>

Paul writes :-
The John Craddock parts catalogue lists parts for two types of tail
lights: Sparto & Wipac.  My tail lights just have Lucas written on them.
 What are Sparto & Wipac?  I am specifically looking for lens mounting
screws.

 Cheap imitations of the quality Lucas product.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:18:48 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel LR's

Michael Bateman wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that it is no problem to purchase a LR in
> Canada
> and bring it into the states (WA) if it is '71 or older?  I also
> gather
> there is an import duty due, of around 2.5 percent - is that also
> correct?

Not a problem if the Customs folks are up to date. If they try to tell
you it has to be pre '68, point out to them the section on the form for
vehicles 25 years or older. There is a duty, but if the value is not
high enough ($4000) you pay at a higher generic rate (10%?) than at the
vehicle rate (2.5%?).

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:52:18 +1300
From: peachey@es.co.nz (Eric Peachey)
Subject: RE: Replacement Engine, Nissan LD28

>I have a 1985 110, Diesel, Naturally Aspirated Landrover which cruises along at
>between 80 - 90 KM per hour.. and that's on a good day.  So I'm thinking about
>replacing the engine with a Nissan LD28 Turbo which I can get for a third 
of the
>price of a new Landrover TDI engine..  Does anyone have any experience of this
>engine or any alternative suggestions..
>Thanks.. Paul.

The LD28 conversion (and other Nissan diesel engines like SD33 and FD35?) 
are quite common in Land Rovers here in New Zealand. Some say they can have 
a bit too much grunt for the older part-time 4WD LRs.

Our SIII 109 hardtop was repowered about 3.5 years ago with a second hand 
naturally aspirated Nissan LD28 imported from Japan. (Such engines cost 
about 1500 NZD here (1NZD = 0.60 USD, 0.35 GBP)). This was done by a local 
Land Rover specialist garage shortly before we bought the vehicle. I think 
it is easier to fit this engine to 110s and 90s than it is to fit it to the 
88s and 109s etc - ours has had modifications to the front cross member and 
bulkhead. I don't think you need to change the chassis in the 110s and 90s. 
I should think that the turbo version will give you a much improved 
performance over the original LR engine. I met a bloke who'd put an LD28 
Turbo into his Jaguar and he was rapt with its performance and economy!

The June 1996 issue of Land Rover World had an article on the Nissan LD28 
and three conversions (90, 101 and RR).

We're pleased with the performance of our truck with its LD28. You can cut 
down the noise in the cab and under the bonnet quite easily. Ours will do up 
to about 115-120kph if you're wearing hearing protection but it's revving 
far too much for my liking at that sort of speed. (We run 235/85R16 tyres 
and standard transmission.) Normally we cruise on the open road at 80-90kph. 
Above that and the noise from the engine and the whine from our tired 
transmission is a bit much for comfort on longer trips. Off road the engine 
performs well and is still economical (especially compared to a friend's 
Toymotor LambBruiser 4.2litre petrol).

Fuel consumption is in the range 9-11 litres/100km (31-26mpg?). I change the 
oil and filter every 4-5000km. 

The UK company Chiltern Automotive that deal with Nissan LD28 conversions 
for Land Rovers  has a Web page at: 
http://www.chinnor.demon.co.uk/col/chiltern/chiltern.htm

There's an Aussie Web site which mention LR/RR engine conversions - see 
http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/4WD.html

Hope this is of some use.

Eric Peachey
Dunedin, New Zealand
SIII 109 Hard Top with Nissan LD28 re-power

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:25:58
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Main Lever

At 07:44 PM 1/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Steve Fullwood wrote:
>> Hi,
>>         I have a 61' Ser II LHD.  I was wondering if anyone else thinks

their main
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
>> bought on the spot. I fell in love and am learning as I go.
>> Steve Fullwood
>If you don't like it you can heat the stick at the bottom to a cherry
>red and bend it to the position you prefer.Total job time 3 mins.
>       John and Muddy

Seems like you have a RHD shift lever in a LHD truck. You can heat it 
up like John suggests or get a LHD lever. It would take about an hour to 
do the swap. If you get a LHD stick make sure you get one with the 
metal ball at the bottom end instead of one with the plastic ball. Dave 

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:24:50 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Where is?

Tom Bache and Bill Leacock, could you send me your addresses?  (Wrote them 
down, then lost 'em.)  Sorry for the bandwidth.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:45:20 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: British Wiring

Baby's new wiring harness has arrived from British Wiring, and was about
half installed when the weather turned.

Color me suitably impressed by the quality of this product.

Connections are soldered, and beautifully too. The PVC wires match the
diagrams, or at least one of the three slightly different diagrams I have.
So far, all the wires have matched the original color coding in the
birdsnest. To avoid confusion, I cut the old wires out, leaving a coded
stub wherever possible attached to the fixture. Where the old coding was
legible, it was a help.

The main reason I bought the PVC was because I couldn't read the faded and
dirty cloth-wrapped wires that were installed at Lode Lane 28 years ago. In
fact, my original harness was a mixture of both cloth and plastic covered
wire.

One quibble: The harness does not include little stub wires, like the
six-inch one from the choke handle switch to the connector at the bulkhead
for the second temperature sensor. I don't understand why they didn't
include that little piece (white with brown, bullet connector on one end
and quick disconnect right-angled spade on the other).

The harnesses are perfectly fitted. Stick the ends through the proper holes
and  branches will fall in exactly the right place. Impressive.

Total price for the four harnesses required on the 88" was $282.69, which I
can assure you is much, much, much cheaper than the harness for a Dodge
Dart of the same vintage..

When the weather breaks, I'l finish wiring. I am going to challenge the
Prince by adding a few in-line fuses to supplement the puny original
two-fuse box.

Wool, and visiting Iceland:          http://www.dmv.com/~iceland
Latest research papers:   http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html
    _____
___(_____)          QUESTION: How many Land Rover enthusiasts
|Baby the\              does it take to change a light bulb?
|1969 Land\_===__   ANSWER: One to change the light bulb, One
|  ___Rover   ___|o     to curse Lucas, Prince of Darkness,three
|_/ . \______/ . ||     to reconcile conflicting wiring diagrams,
___\_/________\_/_____  and one to discover that the real problem
Ned Heite Camden, DE    was a loose ground, and the bulb was okay.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:03:28 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Mysterious dying L-R

>L-R is a '66 88 2.25 gas model. It has been doing fine until recently.
>It now sometimes just dies after being driven for 20-30 minutes. Starts
>to cough, slows down and dies.

Could be the float level in the Zenith?

Chris S.

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:15:30 -0600
Subject: Generators

I have an old 2-cycle snowblower engine which I've attached to a Delco
single wire type alternator(voltage regulator built in) and use it to
jumpstart vehicles. Weighs about 15 lbs. Bent a frame for it out of
conduit, and it's less than two cubic feet. handy little thing to own.
Better than a battery charger, because it has the power to immediately
start about any vehicle and is totally portable.

I have a catalog around here somewhere which lists tons of generators;
email me off the list and I'll dig it up and get the address. 

Rover content: Please, again, anyone having a IIa bulkhead in repairable
condition please email me at Robot1@juno.com. I'm in the midwest, near
Chicago.

Mark

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Subject: Hot rod 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:16:16 +1300

Kia ora
Just a query that is a wee bit off topic. I have a friend that has seen this
mailing list and he asked if I knew one that dealt with Hot rods. I searched
the webb and it come up with a hit of 1 mill plus. I was wondering if anyone
out there knew of a direct way to finding one or better still an email
address.
Cheers.... Tom Dixon
79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)
tomd@clear.net.nz

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Date: 17 Jan 98 09:45:14 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Your comments

I am posting this to the two lists to see what the general comments are

I was reading about a lot of conversions going on, Nissan, perkins, Ford etc 
being planted in a Land rover.

Now in my view this will result in a landrover minus the rover as I think that 
the hearth of the truck is the powerplant.  If you change the powerplant you have 
changed the characteristics of the truck.

I would prefer to recondition or fit another rover engine than transplanting a 
Japanese or american engine in and english truck as these where not designed for 
each other.

I know that many will not agree.

This is my opinion
What about yours

Geff Sherman
Series III for sale
90 Turbo Diesel
Malta

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From: "John McMaster" <john.chia@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:01:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Your comments

> I am posting this to the two lists to see what the general comments are
> I was reading about a lot of conversions going on, Nissan, perkins, Ford etc 
> being planted in a Land rover.

I have a Perkins 4.236 (3.86 litre) in my 110 (+40K miles), before 
that it was in a (highly modified) 88" (65K miles).

> Now in my view this will result in a landrover minus the rover as I think that 
> the hearth of the truck is the powerplant.  If you change the powerplant you have 
> changed the characteristics of the truck.

Partly why I changed it ;-)

> I would prefer to recondition or fit another rover engine than transplanting a 
> Japanese or american engine in and english truck as these where not designed for 
> each other.

Perkins are English................

> I know that many will not agree.
> This is my opinion
> What about yours

I have had this engine from just prior to TDi engines appearing, at 
the time Land Rover did not have a decent powerful diesel engine.  
Did you notice how all the magazines changed their tune over the old 
turbo diesel when the TDi appeared?  At that time it was a "do not go 
near it" comment -recommending NA or TDi, same magazines had said go 
for the TD for the previous few years ;-)

My reasons?  Cheap and powerful engine, 200lbft torque at 1450revs 
but only 82HP at 2800.  With a modified gearbox I get a very low 
low-1st (rarely used) and 35mph/1000 revs in top, cruises at 60mph 
for hours on end and does 27-31 mpg (drops to 22/23 if I am towing 
the trialler).  This is similar performance to a friends 90 NA, but 
despite the weight and 33/12.5 tyres I get BETTER fuel economy ! Not 
sure what I would repace it with, but it probably would not be a TDi 
- in my opinion 2.5ltr is far too small for a heavy Land Rover.

cheers

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: African Land Rover Fax Numbers
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:19:57 +1030

Can anyone help me with the fax numbers for the following dealers?
>Puzey and Payne Ltd - Harare
>Cooper Motor Corporation - Nairobi
>Cooper Motor Corporation - Kampala
>Mitchell Cotts Ethipoia Ltd - Addis Ababa
>I want to fax them for some info, but my Land Rover dealer listing does not
>include any fax details

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>Ph +61-8-83228965
>Fax +61-8-83875535

Logue & Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale
South Australia
Ph +61-8-83228965
Fax +61-8-83875535

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