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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:25:42 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Using an AC motor for power

Dave Place wrote:
> old radio training and some help from my engineer friends say you need
> perm. magnets or at least a field in the motor and AC motors have
> neither.  It did kick one to start looking for an alternative and I
> found an old but repairable AC generator that I am going to try to
> modify on its drive so I can use it on the Land Rover.  I think I can
> get it to drive off the bull nose pulley system I mentioned yesterday.

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> takeoffs for sale out there?
> Dave VE4PN

I too have been thinking of using the LR for a power source, and have a 
PTO sitting in the garage. Unfortunatly, I have a winch (electric) 
mounted on front, and an overdrie as well, so I guess using the PTO would 
be out of the question. And, with limited knowledge of generators and 
such, building a power source could be hazardous to my health! Some 
fellows out there could probably take a wheel barrow and come up with 
some brilliant power generator! However, when everything does settle down 
around here, I am considering getting one of those 5000w gas powered 
units from the Price Club or Sears, and it wouldn't take much to rig it 
up to drive my wood furnace, some lights (have many oil lamps as well) 
and keep the hot water on as well. I sympathize with my fellow Canadians, 
it's  8 deg F here now, and I wouldn't want to be without heat!

Cheers,

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:06:01 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: stationary power

>If you can come up with an inverter cheaply, you can build a small
>generator for very little:  a horizontal shaft gasoline motor driving an
>alternator.   60 Amperes at 12v is only about 700 watts, but it is enough
>to run a gas furnace and some lights.  One method of taking power from the
>Land-Rover no one has mentioned is via a wheel.  Jack one of the rear
>wheels up and hook a belt or some such to it.  Not necessarly the safest
>way to do it, though.
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>way to do it, though.
>david

When we lost power here and got tired of bailing out the basement with pails
I had the idea to buy the biggest dc/ac inverter I could find and use that
to power the sump pump. When I thought of this we happened to be at a local
truck stop and they had a big inverter available. The thing was hugh, and
rated for 1000W continous and 2000W peak. Well I tried it on the LR first
and as soon as I pluged the pump in the inverter would overload and
shutdown. I tried everything including hooking two running vehicles together
in parallel thinking that would give it enough juice but no chance. I
thought that I had the greatest idea of the storm but... Oh well, at least
we could have a couple of lights on and watch TV for one night before we
returned the inverter.

Keith "Lights out and were still home" Elliott
1961 Series II 88"
Ottawa  

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 8:21:26 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: IIA hazard light options

Way cheaper than four-way flashers is a xenon strobe or even a 
bubble-type flashing light that can be temporarily affixed to the 
coachroof. To my mind this is superoir to four-ways as it signals caution 
a-la tow truck or some such thing, and is way brighter. JC Whitn*y has 
them on sale right now for 18.49....plugs into your cigarette lighter (as 
IF!)

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:59:49 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Who stole MY winter?

Hey, 
I'm at 60 degrees N here, and it can't get below -2c anymore...
A foot of snow falls in Jerusalem & the mid-east...
I remember once when I was a kid in A Jan. ice storm in Sudbury,
we were skating on paved Long Lake Road...
I've seen -40C infinite times there...
Ah, the good ol' days at home.
When Sam Steele & his Mounties trekked out West the 1st time,
there were only two "buildings" between Winnipeg & Edmonton,
no hydro, no Kenlowe pre-heaters, no inverters...
No Parti Quebecois, no Lucien Bouchard,
No Hydro Quebec...
-- 
"Today will be partly occasional sun with occasional cloud
with probably a chance of rain or snow" -CFCF tv 
R. Wade Hughes, sitting at his terminal shooting breeze,
because he's too lazy to fix the flat tire on the 109.
I have a monthly bus ticket...
I'm going home, good morning Ottawa Valley...

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:16:54 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: hear hear Eric

I figured that six months would be realistic for a recent single college
grad without much of a social life....change any one of those factors and
the time requirement goes up.

Rgds,
Eric

At 07:00 PM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree  with your sentiments Eric, however 6 months does not seem like a
>realistic time scale these days, I have had mine for 12 months and only half
>way there. Twenty years ago I did a complete build, and I mean complete,
>motor, tranny, axles etc in six months as a Christmas present for the wife,
>but nowadays I have other claims on my time as well.
>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.

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>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:27:15 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA hazard light options

Monty C Brandenberg wrote:
> I like controls and indicators and a P*O had made a completely useless
> attempt at fitting a hazard light to my '69.  The switch was out
> of some sort of Brit car but of unsuitable type.  A simple make-two-
> break-two thing which, with some work, now gives me a volvoesque
> right-flasher-only operation.  I don't want to be so modern as to
> use a pair of diodes so I'm looking for a break-two-make-three switch
> like so:
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> is about $80+ so I'm looking for cheaper alternatives.  And a
> pair of diodes is one option.  Suggestions appreciated..
    Do the Diode thing, they are so cheap and it is a neat little
project.
     John and Muddy

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:30:21 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Question

Kathleen Hollington wrote:
> Ok, I'm almost ready to hire a new wiring harness for my '68 IIA from
> British Wiring Inc (Olympia Fields IL), who I'm told have about
> the best price going.  Couple of questions:
> 1. there are 2 options a) braid wrap and b) pvc wrap.  The second is
> less expensive.  Any reasons I shouldn't go that route?
> 2. the ownership for my 88" says 1968, which according to the
> catalogue should be a D suffix, but my serial number ends with a C.
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> Regards,
>         --Rob
 The only reason to use the braided harness is for authenticty if you
you are doing a concourse rebuild. The PVC wrap is actually more
practical for every day use.
     John and Muddy.

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Solihull Society's Rally
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:15:58 -0700

Norm!!
I most definately do know where and when.

June 25-28 
Steamboat Springs, CO

Please go to www.solihullsociety.org in the next few days and you can
register and get info.

Yours'
K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society

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> From: Norm Logan <nolo@paralegal.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Solihull Society's Rally
> Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 1:16 PM
> Anyone know where and when the Solihull Society's

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> "National" Rally is being held at this year?
> Norm

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:44:07 EST
Subject: Heat generator from LR in Winter

Instead of using the engine to drive a Generator, couldn't you just park =
the=0Alr next to the room you wanted heat inside and run longer radiator =
hoses? Just=0Aput a mobile radiator under the recliner, sofa or whatever =
chair you happen to=0Abe sitting on. It would just be a *personal* heater=
, though.=0A=0Apat=0A93  110=0A=0AMiami Beach. =0AHigh:77=B0 Low:64=B0=0A=
No Parti Quebecois=0A

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:50:36 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Heat generator from LR in Winter

>pat
>93  110
>Miami Beach.
>High:77=B0 Low:64=B0
>No Parti Quebecois

Yeah, sure, rub it in eh!!!! ;)

Keith

Ottawa
High -17c Low -22c Wind chill -31c
No comment on the last part incase someone is listening ;)

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Date: 15 Jan 98 16:53:50 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: RE:Africa Land Rover prices

I would go for 109" as You must take a lot of supplies.  Also it is more stable 
and I think in Africa the 109" sell better.

Thanks
Geoffrey
109" Series III Diesel (for sale)
87 90 Turbo Diesel
Malta

Huub Pennings:
>Hello
>A friend of mine is looking into the possibility of making a trip
>through the sahara, and selling the LaRo at the end of the journey.
>We wonder if their is a marked for "88 Series vehicles in this region 
>(South Sahara,Niger)?
>Any advice, source of information on this one???

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>e-mail adress
>Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:54:58 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Heat generator from LR in Winter

Keith Elliott wrote:
> >pat
> >93  110
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> >High:77° Low:64°
> >No Parti Quebecois
> Yeah, sure, rub it in eh!!!! ;)

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> High -17c Low -22c Wind chill -31c
> No comment on the last part incase someone is listening ;)

What?? There's a party in Quebec ?? How come we weren't invited??

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:18:21 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: cam timing

 >  "Most engines have a dwell period at peak lift. All you have to do is mark
>the point when the tappet starts lifting and mark the point at which the
>tappet begins to descend, find the halfway point between thes two marks on
>your degree wheels  (as I recall it's something like 5 degrees dwell?) and
>you have the peak lift point. Rather a pain in the butt, though."
>        Jim Allen
> Jim, I enjoy reading your contributions to the digest, and have always
>found them to be acurate and informative,  in this instance I have to take
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>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
> 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR

Bill,

        Much of the quotes above will be trucated by the Major (so those of
you  who didn't read the original messages will lose context -sorry) but I
see an error I made in choice of words when I said "when the tappet start
to lift." It should say "stops lifting". Besides this glaring error, I also
admit I was guilty of trying to oversimplify.
        To clarify, I always use a degree wheel on the snout of the
crankshaft. It's large and marked down to half degrees (most are in
degrees, but this is an old diesel piece swiped from the Army). I use this
in concert with a dial indicator on the tappet. I have never done it the
way the Rover book says and use the method most racers use. This is much
more accurate than using the flywheel marks and scribing marks on th ecam
gear, though one could argue "why" on a low tolerance engine like the 2.25.
        Anyway, splitting the dwell as I described to determine peak lift
is a perfectly acceptable procedure - if you have the accurate tools I
mentioned. If you took issue on my statements basing your argument on using
the factory manuals method and tools, then I guess you'd be right.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dan Prasada-Rao (301)757-1571x18" <prasadaraodp.nimitz@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Timing chain tensioner

I noticed in the R#$^s N*&^h catalog that there seem to be two types of
timing chain tensioners, one with a wheel and a different type with a pad. 
The wheel type is the one that I've seen in Haynes and other books and on
my engine.  The pad type is listed the catalog as an update. 

Can anyone help me out with advantages or disadvantages of either type?

Sorry about the all the questions, I'm still waiting the factory workshop
manual I have on order. 

Dan Rao
'63 109" Station Wagon

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 09:59:08 EST
Subject: Re: Locking Hubs

>I am thinking about getting a set of locking hubs for my IIa.  I looks like my
>options are narrowed down to Superwinch or Mile Marker,

Are you sure WARN doesn't make them anymore? Try them at 1 800 543 WARN.
also you should be able to find a set of the old M11's secondhand.

later
DaveB. 

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:35:05 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: RE:Africa Land Rover prices

>I would go for 109" as You must take a lot of supplies.  Also it is more
>stable
>and I think in Africa the 109" sell better.

I'm not too sure about this,so it would need confirmation,but I've an
idea that there are some African countries in which you are not permitted
to sell your vehicle.Anyone confirm or otherwise?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:42:00 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: RE:Africa Land Rover prices

> >and I think in Africa the 109" sell better.
> I'm not too sure about this,so it would need confirmation,but I've an
> idea that there are some African countries in which you are not permitted
> to sell your vehicle.Anyone confirm or otherwise?

There are many rules for each seperate country concerning your ability (or
lack thereof) to sell a vehicle if you don't live there. I suggest
getting one of the several guidebooks that are out there 
such as 'Let's Go (and get a better guidebook)' or 'Africa on a shoestring'
etc etc. They all contain info on the varios permits that require, and the
various hassles border guards inflict in the search for hard currency bribes...

Marcus

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From: "VAN STRAUBENZEE-CHARLES" <cvanstra@Ice.Lakeheadu.ca>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:47:22 +0000
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a company that makes the 
propane components for the Rover 2.25 litre engine. I was thinking 
that if I could get just the asperator parts then I already have a 
good system which I could move over to make a duel propane/petrol 
system. The idea was sparked by reading an article a few months ago 
in Land Rover Owner which was quite good about propane conversion.
Thanks for your comments,
Charlie
and Flannigan (1967 Dormobile)

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:42:00 -0500

The Mercedes SUV sufferred from a potential rollover condition
highlighted by the "Moose Test" in a Swedish car magazine. Mercedes
responded quickly with mods to the suspension, tyres and ECU. Now, says
I, what could they do to the ECU to prevent rollovers. Then I hit on the
solution. Variable rate power steering controlled by the computer. ECU
responds to attempt at Moose avoidance by preventing steering being
turned faster than is safe for the vehicle speed at the time thereby
keeping lateral g within safe limits. Thus the vehicle can't roll over.
It hits the moose but doesn't roll!!! 

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:13:21 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner

>I noticed in the R#$^s N*&^h catalog that there seem to be two types of
>timing chain tensioners, one with a wheel and a different type with a pad. 
>The wheel type is the one that I've seen in Haynes and other books and on
>my engine.  The pad type is listed the catalog as an update. 
>Can anyone help me out with advantages or disadvantages of either type?
>Sorry about the all the questions, I'm still waiting the factory workshop

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>Dan Rao
>'63 109" Station Wagon

I went through this a short time ago, and I don't know what the
advantages/disadvantages between the two are. I know if you get the new type
of tesioner with the pad you have to get the corrisponding chain for it. I
already had a brand new chain for the old style so I went with the original
wheel type, if this hadn't been the case and I needed the chain also I would
have gone for the new type just because it was a few bucks cheaper and
availability in the future will probably be better, mind you the original
one lasted 37 years so who really cares right... :)

Keith

1961 Series II 88"
Ottawa

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:57:03 EST
Subject: Re:  Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

In a message dated 1/16/98 1:22:45 AM, you wrote:

>The Mercedes SUV sufferred from a potential rollover condition
>highlighted by the "Moose Test" in a Swedish car magazine. Mercedes
>responded quickly with mods to the suspension, tyres and ECU.

Wasn't that the A-class mini-sedan for Euro markets? I didn't think they got
the US-built SUV (ML320?) yet...
 
Whatever. I think they look funny (both the A- and the SUV); and I heard a
reference to airplanes that probably applies here too. "If it looks funny it
probably flies funny; if it looks right, it probably flies right..." And to me
they just don't look right. Not like some of the other MB products (55 300sl,
69 280sl etc.)

To me, *most* lr's look right...

I think the SUV is one of the few MBs that the US has gotten before the rest
of the world; mainly because it is being built in the US and SUV demand is so
high here. BTW, I've seen them here in Miami since August last year.

pat
93  110

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:03:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

To Me All Land Rovers ARE RIGHT!!!!  (except Freelander, of course)

Chris
91 RR County SWB (w/ a few extra's)
  __ __ __
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//__|__|__\___
\__ - ____ - _|}
   (_)    (_)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Tail Lights Sparto/Wipac?
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:08:25 -0800

A question for the collective Borg/List

I am looking for some bits for my rear lights.

The John Craddock parts catalogue lists parts for two types of tail
lights: Sparto & Wipac.  My tail lights just have Lucas written on them.
 What are Sparto & Wipac?  I am specifically looking for lens mounting
screws.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Freelander comes to North America
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:02:00 -0500

I placed an order today for my Freelander. It should be delivered next
week.
To Hamilton, Ontario

Trevor "How do I get this grin of my face" Easton

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From: "Michael Bateman" <mbateman@telisphere.com>
Subject: Advice - engines
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:11:18 -0800

Hi -

I'm new to this list and lusting after a series 2a Land Rover.  It'll be a
little while before I gather the scratch to buy one, which is probably good
as it gives me time to think about what I want.  I'm especially interested
in advice related to diesel engines.  I've perused most of what I can find
on the net, and it seems the best I can find is the diesel gets good
mileage, but is noisy and slow.  I already drive a VW Vanagon and the 300 6
in the ford f150 that's for sale right now is no screamer, so how slow is
slow and how noisy is noisy?  What kind of mileage do you get from the gas
engine?  How much of a pain is it to find diesel in the boonies?  Any
advice welcomed!

Michael
Seattle, WA

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:16:00 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: updated photos on web site

I have updated the photos on my Carawagon for sale web site. The truck has now
been cleaned!!! I will be including swivel ball, bulkhead and chassis
photos after this weekend (managed to get the dig. camera from work).

http://www.calmit.unl.edu/tooze/carawagon

Marcus

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: My Freelander
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:18:00 -0500

Oh, I forgot to mention. It's a 1/18th scale diecast model by ERTL

Trevor "did you rush to your dealer?" Easton

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:33:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dilemma

If you are serious about wanting a Land Rover, you must be prepared to spend
either time or money, and quite possibly, both.  Series Land Rovers have not
been imported into the US since the early seventies.  This means that any
Land Rovers available here are over 25 years old.  This makes them antiques.

If you have read all the LRO responses, you should have an abundance of
advice on this subject.  The best advice was the suggestion that you get a
real car and a rebuildable Land Rover and rebuild the thing your self.  Old
english cars (and some new ones) are just not reliable enough to be your
only transportation.  Parts are still available.  I can occasionally find
them in Boulder at the First National Garage.

Another resource for you is the Solihull Society, a Colorado Land Rover
club, who have lots of members in the Peoples Republic of Boulder.  Check
out our website at www.solihullsociety.org, come to one of the meetings and
ask your questions.

If you are sufficiently dedicated (crazy) perhaps Allah, in his wisdom, will
allow you to become a Land Rover owner.

Best Regards,

Paul Donohue
Secretary, Solihull Society
Denver
1965 Land Rover Dormobile

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Emergency Heat and Power
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:32:00 -0500

I recall some years back where Fiat were developing a small natural gas
powered heat pump. Using a Fiat 500cc engine driving a compressor it
transferred the engine and exhaust heat so effectively that it reached
an efficiency level well over 90%. They actually had to make it
inefficient so the exhaust gases were hot enough to disperse. And it was
too powerful for a single dwelling.

Fit a large belt driven A/C compressor to your LR route the hot side via
a pipe wrapped around the exhaust pipe. From here to a radiator inside
the house. Back to a condensor mounted in front of the vehicle radiator
where the cold air can help cool the engine. A 12volt fan blows air
through the hot radiator inside the house. Run Landy at a speed
sufficient to generate enough power for the vehicle and 12V fan. (Say
1200-1500 rpm) Top up gas tank occasionally. 12V also provides lighting
for house using readily available halogen track lights.

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:25:09 EST
Subject: Re: Advice - engines

In a message dated 1/15/98 4:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mbateman@telisphere.com writes:

<< so how slow is
 slow and how noisy is noisy?  What kind of mileage do you get from the gas
 engine?  >>

Boy, you really don't want to ask.  The petrol rover 2.25L is slow.  Real
slow.  On hills, old arthritic women on bicycles will ring their bell at you
to get outta the way.  The diesel is a little slower.   The lack of top end
speed is well matched with the lack of acceleration, however, it'll pull
through a deep muddy, boggy section like you can't believe.

It won't seem as noisy over time since you'll experience a mild degree of
hearing loss.

MPG:  with a weber 1bbl  I get 13 to 14 mpg on road.  Much less off road.

Nate

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:03:16 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Advice - engines

  What kind of mileage do you get from the gas
>  engine?  >>

MPG: 109 carawagon (weighs in at 6600ib, a lot more than your average
rover) 13mpg over 1000 miles of interstate driving. Top speed
downhill 75mph (w/out OD!), uphill 50 - 55mph

Diesel: take another 10mph off! Add 50dB to noise level!

M

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From: Rob Horstman <resrch!robh@molienergy.bc.ca>
Subject: First Time Landrover Owner - General Question
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:51:30 -0800

This is my first post into this forum, so please be patient with me...
:->

I was just given a 1968 Series IIA 88 Landrover. The body, pan and
drivetrain are all in excellent shape, but I do need to do some frame 
repair (Minor welding on the outriggers, etc...)

Being as this is my first Landrover, I suspect I will have many
questions to post here, but by the looks of things, I am in the right
place.

I plan on doing a total restoration, I have all the service manuals,
etc... So it shouldn't be too bad. <grin>

My only question at this time is ;

	Does anybody know of a good parts supplier on the west coast of
Canada ? I am in Mission, BC, Canada, and would like to find something
local.

Any help would be appreciated...

Rob Horstman

________________________________________________________________

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Email : robh@molienergy.bc.ca
Moli Energy (1990) Ltd.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:21:54 -0800
From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: Advice - engines

NADdMD wrote:
> In a message dated 1/15/98 4:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mbateman@telisphere.com writes:
> << so how slow is
>  slow and how noisy is noisy?  What kind of mileage do you get from the gas
>  engine?  >>

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> MPG:  with a weber 1bbl  I get 13 to 14 mpg on road.  Much less off road.
> Nate
Been watching this group, couldn't hold out any longer. Recall a trip
from NJ to WI when I moved. '60 109 loaded with worldly possessions got
passed on I-80 in PA climbing a 12 mi. hill by a hiway
LAWNMOWER...MOWING!  got 19MPG  2-bbl DGV weber. (not on that hill
though)    Cheers   Peter
'60 109 SW
'64 88 w/ plow & Kodiak
'72 for parts
'73 ser.3 almost daily driver
'52 Austin Champ   (real ugly)
assorted LBC's
-- 
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison
2517 Seiferth Rd. Madison WI USA 53716
(608)223-9400  fax 223-9403 WATS (800)362-1025
http://www.mailbag.com/users/nosimport/

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: First Time Landrover Owner - General Question
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:56:32 -0800

Hi Rob,

There are at least three Landy parts suppliers in Vancouver.

My favorite is Wise Owl Innovations, a.k.a. Octopus, in West Vancouver
(604) 921-7277 Ray knows his Rovers!

Also try All British Car Parts in Burnaby @ (604) 294-5747

And there's Best British Auto Parts in Port Coquitlam (604) 941-6865

Best of luck,

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88 under construction
Victoria, BC  Canada

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Rob Horstman [SMTP:resrch!robh@molienergy.bc.ca]
>Sent:	Thursday, January 15, 1998 1:52 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	First Time Landrover Owner - General Question

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:09:25 -0500
From: prowney@unicef.org (Paul Rowney)
Subject: Replacement Engine, Nissan LD28

I have a 1985 110, Diesel, Naturally Aspirated Landrover which cruises along at
between 80 - 90 KM per hour.. and that's on a good day.  So I'm thinking about
replacing the engine with a Nissan LD28 Turbo which I can get for a third of the
price of a new Landrover TDI engine..  Does anyone have any experience of this
engine or any alternative suggestions..

Thanks.. Paul.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:21:37 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: First Time Landrover Owner - General Question

Try Wise OwlInnovation in West Vancouver  604 921 7277.
   John     usual disclaimer. I did some business with them when they
were Octopus parts.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:39:42 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Mercedes SUV-No LR Content

Easton Trevor wrote:
> The Mercedes SUV sufferred from a potential rollover condition
> highlighted by the "Moose Test" in a Swedish car magazine. Mercedes
> responded quickly with mods to the suspension, tyres and ECU. Now, says
> I, what could they do to the ECU to prevent rollovers. Then I hit on the
> solution. Variable rate power steering controlled by the computer. ECU
> responds to attempt at Moose avoidance by preventing steering being
> turned faster than is safe for the vehicle speed at the time thereby
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> keeping lateral g within safe limits. Thus the vehicle can't roll over.
> It hits the moose but doesn't roll!!!
I think I heard that Mercedes has a lab in Labrador where they are
developing a Moose and Cariboo sensor to combat this problem. It will be
introduced at the Tuktoyaktuk International Motor Show.
    John and Muddy

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:11:50 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Lights Sparto/Wipac?

> The John Craddock parts catalogue lists parts for two types of tail
> lights: Sparto & Wipac.  My tail lights just have Lucas written on
> them.
>  What are Sparto & Wipac?  I am specifically looking for lens mounting
> screws.

Sparto and Wipac are 2 alternative makers of lamp assemblies. LR used a
variety of lamps in the 50s and early 60s. The lamp designs are somewhat
different from Lucas. I've never seen Wipac lamps on a NA exported
SII/IIA. One of our SIIs has Sparto lamps.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:13:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: movie sighting (sorta)

Okay, I hadn't seen the whole movie, so I didn't see this part...  Rachel
spotted it.

In the movie "First Wive's Club" (is Goldie Hawn fine or what?) the three
ex-wives band together to seek revenge on their ex-es.  At one point, one of
them is going around repo'ing all her husbands stuff to sell it (per the
agreement he suggested.)  She gets his lamborghini, he's pissed and calls
her up to vent, and she goes to a big white board to cross the lambo off.

Well, listed right below the lambo on the board is "95 Land Rover".  

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: First Time Landrover Owner - General Question
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:02:59 -0500

Rob,

I have listed a number of suppliers for LR parts on my website.  Feel
free to check them out.  I don't check the links daily, so some of them
may no longer be good.  http://member.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

A wise man once said:  "Nothing is as easy as it looks, and everything
takes longer than you expect"  - Murphy must have been an LRO.

Good Luck!

Kevin Murphy
Greenville, SC USA
'67 SIIA 88"

> This is my first post into this forum, so please be patient with me...
> :->
> I was just given a 1968 Series IIA 88 Landrover. The body, pan and
> drivetrain are all in excellent shape, but I do need to do some frame 
> repair (Minor welding on the outriggers, etc...)
> Being as this is my first Landrover, I suspect I will have many
> questions to post here, but by the looks of things, I am in the right
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:40:55 -0500
From: Shaun Oriold <soriold@worldchat.com>
Subject: LR sighting

I never thought of it before.  But I have a shirt made by YAGA which
shows a 88. on the front and back.  The one on the back shows a great
picture, expidition loaded and everything. looks great.

Shaun Oriold
Astor Sales Inc.

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From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:15:22 EST
Subject: Tools I carry

I carry a number of the items already mentioned and continue to build my kit.
One item I will be getting is a mainshaft nut tool which I have persuaded a
machinist from my company (who owns a small machine shop on the side) to
manufacture. One way I pursuaded him was to tell him that others may be
interested. Please note I am not selling these things, all I did was provide
him a design drawing provided by Kelly Minnick, test the prototype, and work
to incorporate a couple of modifications. The machinist does not have Email
access so anyone interested can Email me and I will provide the details (but
that is as far as my involvement goes). Just a public service to the LR
community.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 "Red Rufy"
'95 Disco "EFE" 

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:11:35 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift Jack comes to Europe

Just brought my hi-lift up from the receptionist here to my desk:
Price from Paddock delivered:  £65
Local Price:    750mk approx.  £75
Made by Jackall in Milverton, Ontario
What do they cost at home?...

"2nd Law of Thermodynamics be damned...Just fix it." 
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, Network Management Systems    
NTC Nokia Group            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor        82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    (in Canada)
00045 Helsinki, Finland       70 Land Rover SIIA Petrol Hardtop "Zenith"
Tel. (358-9)-511-6332         73 Citroen 2CV (6-engine) Red     "Zéphyr"
Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Net: hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
 or:  wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com (MS Mail)

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From: Bryn Hackland <bryn@hackland.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Replacement Engine, Nissan LD28
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:31:41 -0000
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I have had the naturally aspirated version of this engine in my Series =
IIA Station Wagon for about 4 years. I must say that I have been very =
pleased with it's performance and can manage 70MPH quite comfortably =
although noisily. You do need to have either an overdrive unit or a =
different gear ratio in the diff to get top end performance. The engine =
mates quite nicely on to the gear box without any major conversion =
hassles.

Bryn

-----Original Message-----
From:	Paul Rowney [SMTP:prowney@unicef.org]
Sent:	15 January 1998 23:09
To:	lro@playground.sun.com
Subject:	Replacement Engine, Nissan LD28

I have a 1985 110, Diesel, Naturally Aspirated Landrover which cruises =
along at
between 80 - 90 KM per hour.. and that's on a good day.  So I'm thinking =
about
replacing the engine with a Nissan LD28 Turbo which I can get for a =
third of the
price of a new Landrover TDI engine..  Does anyone have any experience =
of this
engine or any alternative suggestions..

Thanks.. Paul.

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