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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:59 -0500
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Subject: Commercial Siting Air Singapore

There is a great arial shot of an early series rover driving down a dusty
road at the tail end of the latest Air Singapore commercial.  Looks to be a
beautifully restored blue or green hardtop.  Anyone's truck on the list?
Does this qualify as a mug shot?			-Bob

GTE Labs, MS-38            rvirzi@gte.com         voice: +1.781.466.2881
40 Sylvan Rd                                        fax: +1.781.466.4035
Waltham, MA, USA  02254

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:22:37 EST
Subject: LRO in HI

Would the LRO w/ an 88 who is in Honolulu (and works down by Dole St. or the
dock area?) please e-mail me. I thought I made a note of your e-mail address.

thanks

pat
93 110

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:27:58 +0000
Subject: Re: LRO in HI

Read that title, and I thought it was about a transfer case problem!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:31:41 -0600
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: LR prices 

I agree, it's tough to find a good rover for $5000. 
I just wanted to say though don't be fooled by the relatively cheap 
prices in the UK. Yes, most 88's are at about the 1000 to 1500 level
($1700 to $2500), but the majority of them are not in great shape.
Expect a plated chassis etc etc...they are mainly drivers (sometimes you 
get lucky though). On top of that you have $1000 for shipping, then a 
few odds and ends for customs/taxes etc. By the time you are finished,
and you figure in your vacation costs while looking for a good truck in
the UK, you will be up around the $5000 mark...

Comments?

Marcus

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:40:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dan Prasada-Rao (301)757-1571x18" <prasadaraodp.nimitz@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Dist drive gear/Cam timing

To answer your question, Dave, this is the old engine.  Yup, I think I may
have found the cause of some of the noises in this old motor.  I finally
followed your recommedation to start taking parts off and have serious look
inside.

I'm goin' to start ripping stuff out next week, probably.  I actually
measured the amount of freeplay between the crank and cam last night.  I
can get as much as 25 degrees of motion out of the crank without seeing any
cam movement.  This was measured/checked by watching the cam at the distrib
drive gear interface and checking crank movement at the flywheel.

The play is definitely not from a loose sprocket on the crank.  My best
guess is that it's either from slack in the timing chain or a loose chain
sprocket on the cam.

In either case it sounds like an excessive amount of play to me.  I'm used
to messin' with timing belts and a couple motors with direct gear drives.  
 I have a factory workshop manual on order but havent' recieved it yet. The
Haynes manual doesn't really say anything that I can find on this.

Later

Dan

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:42:45
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ice Storm no LR content

"Sounded pretty vicious on the radio this morning - wood (ie. trees and
telegraph poles) splintering and disintegrating with the shear cold!

I've experienced long power-outs in the UK due to the cold, but this was
due to the "tropical" temperatures which wavered around freezing point (so
ice built up on all the cables, pulling the poles down like match-sticks).
Being in a group of about a dozen houses at the time, the power lines were
low down on the repair lists.

Is Toronto affected?"

>From the weather maps and reports on CNN it looked to be worse closer
to Montreal. 
CNN showed an shot from the air where about 10 large rural power line
towers were crumpled to the ground. It was very weird looking, like
something out of a Godzilla movie. Good luck up there. Dave 

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 Jan 98 08:24:35 MST
Subject: LR sighting - "The Omega Man"

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
The old '70's movie "The Omega Man" was on the TV on Monday night, and I
happened to catch the very last scene, when I noticed a series LR used by
the few remaining "normal" people in the world. I thought it very fitting to
re-start the world with the best 4x4xfar!

Dave (eyes peeled) Brown

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:33:07 -0500

	I am in the process of putting together a webpage devoted D130/D110 =
Pickup. Since I live in the U.S. I will include a section on Importing =
to the states. I will also include pics, Specs, and whatever else I can =
get my hands on. I invite anyone who is interested to share any info, =
pics, links, Import experiences, ETC. I am hoping to have the page up by =
early February. Please contribute anything you can. I will give proper =
credit where it is due.
	Since the these models aren't available here I figure we can enjoy them =
virtually and maybe get our heads together on how to bring them in.
	Please e-mail me Directly kevinsel@gte.net
						Thanks
=09
Sorry to crosspost but I wanted to get everyone.

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: Aussies and Brits Help us Yanks out with D130/D110 Info
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:50 -0500

I am in the process of putting together a D130/D110 Pickup Page. Since =
these Models are not available here (sigh!) I would like you help in =
gathering info for a webpage I am creating for the D130/D110 Pickup. If =
you have any info you can send electronically that would be great. I =
will pay postage for any original sales Brochures or Printed ads that =
you may come across. I live in Sarasota, Florida, U.S.A. (a popular =
tourist destination) If any of you are headed this way and would like to =
deliver anything personally I would gladly buy you a few Pints!!!! =
Please e-mail me Directly.
																	Thanks

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:47:42 -0600
From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Subject: Re: Dilemma

>>>>> "john" == john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:

    john> Hey this is the late 1990s you don't get any near
    john> perfect vehicle for 8 Grand particularly if is
    john> 4x4. For that money you will get a road worthy truck
    john> that needs some work.  

I dunno, $8K will buy you a pristine Norton Commando or
a really fine TR-7.  (But I can't tow my TR-4 with either 
of them)
							-MM

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:08:19 -0500
Subject: Gas Addative

This may seem like a dumb question, if it is SORRY.  Is it safe to add
something like STP to a tank of gas in my RR. I think that I may have
pumped a bad (even though it was 93 oct) tank of gas in my RR. Thought I
would check with the list before doing it. Thanks ahead of time!! Sorry for
any cross-postings

Chris
91 RR County SWB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:31:04 EST
Subject: Baltimore Sighting

Baltimore, MD, 12/10...grey 88, alpine windows, no tropical panel, II or 
IIa, with brit and MD tags, headed west on Northern Parkway, crossing Falls 
Road. I (Green SIII 88) was parked at the stoplight facing south on Falls 
Rd.

Anybody?
DaveB.
Arlington VA

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:47:38 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dilemma

My humble appologies I had forgotten how under valued the TR7 is. 
We had one in the family and with the execption of the head light
actuators and 1 ignition module ran flawlessly for 100,000 + miles.
And for those whose hobby is antilucasism the Toyota Celica had head
light actuator too only it cost 5 times as much to fix that.
       John"Mr. Mike" Passaretti wrote:
> >>>>> "john" == john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:
>     john> Hey this is the late 1990s you don't get any near
>     john> perfect vehicle for 8 Grand particularly if is
>     john> 4x4. For that money you will get a road worthy truck
>     john> that needs some work.
> I dunno, $8K will buy you a pristine Norton Commando or

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> of them)
>                                                         -MM

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:01:08 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Ice Storm no LR content

David Kurzman wrote:
> "Sounded pretty vicious on the radio this morning - wood (ie. trees and
> telegraph poles) splintering and disintegrating with the shear cold!
> I've experienced long power-outs in the UK due to the cold, but this was
> due to the "tropical" temperatures which wavered around freezing point (so
> ice built up on all the cables, pulling the poles down like match-sticks).
> Being in a group of about a dozen houses at the time, the power lines were

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> towers were crumpled to the ground. It was very weird looking, like
> something out of a Godzilla movie. Good luck up there. Dave
 The Toronto area escaped the worst of the storm while Montreal caught
it the worst but Ottawa took a real bashing which we haven't heard too
much from the OVLR crowd lately but I am sure Dixon will enlighten with
afull report.
  The Sate of Maine also got hit very hard and declared a State of
Emergency.
  As a side bar it shows the strange reporting practices of the TV. I
wanted to find out how my friends in Maine might be doing and so tuned
in to a TV news station in Boston that promised a report from Maine.
They dribbled on for 1/2 hour about a woman who wanted to adopt another
woman's baby (Don't get me wrong I realize that this very important to
those involved) and the report on the storm damage which was effecting 
many thousands was about 1 1/2 minutes with the reporter asking a few 
very harrassed looking folks how they felt!!
   Sorry for the Rant but it made me mad.
     John

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: D90 Prices
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:59:26 -0500

Has anyone noticed a change in the value of used D90's in the US since
LR stopped importing  them in December?  These could end up like their
big sister, the '93 D110, whose value seems to appreciate with time.  

	Kevin
	Greenville, SC (USA)
	'67 SIIA 88" (Nancy)
	http://members.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Ice Storm no LR content
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:12:07 -0800

Richard writes:

>Sounded pretty vicious on the radio this morning - wood (ie. trees and
telegraph poles) splintering and disintegrating with the shear cold!

[Paul Quin]  I should point out that the trees and poles weren't
splintering from the cold, but from the weight of all the ice.  To have
a freezing rain storm, the temperature has to be around the freezing
point of water (O deg C or 32 deg F).  The rain falls as water and
freezes to the ground (or tree) when it lands.

Montreal & Quebec City are having problems now because the temperatures
have dropped to -15 or -20 overnight and most people still have no
power.  Carbon monoxide poisoning has become a problem as people are
trying to stay warm by using their camping heaters & stoves inside.
Plumbers will be kept busy once things warm up as about 500,000 homes &
their waterpipes have frozen solid.

>I've experienced long power-outs in the UK due to the cold, but this was
due to the "tropical" temperatures which wavered around freezing point
(so
ice built up on all the cables, pulling the poles down like
match-sticks).
Being in a group of about a dozen houses at the time, the power lines
were
low down on the repair lists.

>Is Toronto affected?  I know someone who has just gone out there on
secondment (read "holiday") for a few months. The news items I've heard
have been a bit lacking on where exactly its cold!
No doubt she'll be telling us *all* about it when we get back!

[Paul Quin]  No, Just the corridor from Ottawa east through southern
Quebec and into the New England states.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

>Is Toronto affected?  I know someone who has just gone out there on

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Subject: RE: Dealing with Freezing Rain
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:15:18 +0100

		
Hello all,

There are electric heated windscreens available from Landrover. Remove
your old one and fit 
the new electric heatet ones. but they cost about 100 GBP. So I`am still
collecting money for this
item.

If you are interested i can look after the Rover numbers

bye

Oli

Oliver Gottlob

1976 Landrover 109 Diesel "everyday vehicle" looking for heated
windscreens 

>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:55:04 -0800
>From: "Bert P. Krages" <krages@teleport.com>
>Subject: Dealing with Freezing Rain

>I was driving in freezing rain yesterday and ended up with my
windshield
>covered with ice.  The Smith heater couldn't keep the windshield warn
>enough.  Any suggestions on how to deal with this problem?  Taking the
top
>off and lowering the windshield is not a viable option.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:22:07 -0500 (EST)
From: ABERCROMBIE <MAA0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Locking Hubs

I am thinking about getting a set of locking hubs for my IIa.  I looks like my
options are narrowed down to Superwinch or Mile Marker, since Warn no longer
makes them for series trucks.  Has anyone had any experience (quality issues)
with either Superwinch or Mile Marker hubs? 

Thanks-
Matt Abercrombie
Belfast, Maine USA

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:54:12 -0700 (MST)
From: "DAVID J. TEGART" <tegart@jnov.colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: Dilemma

Hey again-
I want to say thanks for those who helped me in my search, and I have 
decided to not give up.
	I did not mean to imply that $8000 Landies are not worth 
every penny; it's just that as a recent college graduate, I am not 
exactly making the big bucks yet.  Plus, I can't imagine what my 
friends will say when I tell them I bought a $5000 "truck" that has a 
hard time maintaining the speed limit. :)
	However, there seem to be differing opinions on whether a Land Rover 
is or is not expensive to just maintain, assuming it runs well to 
start with.  Would a running LR compare well or worse to, say, an old 
J**p, T*y*ta, or Sc*ut, in terms of maintenance, parts, etc...?
	Anyhow, it is good to know there are people out there who can "feel 
my pain" and are so willing to help.

Dave T.
Lookin' for a Landy

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: PTO Generator
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:08:08 -0800

>From the mouth of one of the power engineers that I work with.

Generators can be bought that are designed to run at various specific
rpm's.  The trick is to keep the driving engine running at that rpm with
a governor so that when the electrical load increases, the engine
increases it's output to keep the crank turning at the right speed.  If
the crank speed drops off, the voltage will fall but the crucial factor
is that the A/C frequency will also drop.  All North American A/C
equipment is designed to run on a 60Hz mains frequency.  Resistive loads
such as lights and heaters are not to sensitive to this, but bad
frequency regulation will play havoc with electronics like computers &
stereo's.

One horse power = 746 watts so in theory, in a perfect world, a Land
Rover 70 hp 2&1/4 lump should be able to generate about 52kw (52,000
watts) of electricity.  Enough to power a few homes!  To get this, you
would have to find a generator that is designed to run at the landy's
optimum rpm, or use the appropriate gearing.

Paul Quin
Power Measurement Ltd.
Victoria, BC  Canada
'61 Series II 88 'under construction'

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Hank Rutherford [SMTP:ruthrfrd@borg.com]
>Sent:	Tuesday, January 13, 1998 6:31 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	PTO Generator

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>idea, though.
>                                                 Regards, Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:19:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Dilemma

Maintenance costs vs: old Detroit or Japan iron:

Well - depends what you're looking at.

First off, don't think that any of these are turnkey operations - that is
just NOT the case with any of the above. An acquaintance of mine has an old
FJ40 LandCruiser that rots out from under him every few years - reliably. I
lost a Toyota pickup to the tin worm in the 80s myself.

Old American iron rusts too, maybe not as fast, but certainly as reliably.
Old American iron's as scarce in the US Northeast as old Rovers are - and
certainly not as well-maintained.

However, both the rice-burner and Bubba-truck are likely to be easier to
get parts for at the local Pep Boys. The LR's parts just aren't that easy
to get.

They cost more too, but not so much as you'd thing. $60-70 for a brake drum
is right in there below all the newer iron, if not as cheap as Dad's old
F150 Ford. One of the problems is that things like drums and axles don't
exist here in junkyards - so there's no cheap second-life parts available.
This masks relative parts costs.

There are other alternatives for parts - getting stuff from the UK for
bigger (read more expensive) bits is a viable option.  For example, I
needed to do some major repairs to my overdrive. Rather than dropping $260
for the mainshaft, $80 for the clutch and another 50-60 for seals and the
like, I sent to Superwinch in the UK and got all the bits I needed for he
repair for a bit less than $200 AT MY DOOR in a week!

I can handle a 50% savings.

The whole thing boils down to basic intelligence - if you're bright enough
to look around and think for yourself you can do OK, despite some folk's
insistence this is an expensive rich-man's hobby.

Mind you, it ain't as cheap as driving a beater Honda, but any vehicle that
can do what my 109 does deserves the maintenance.

               Al Richer/Mr. Churchill

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:53:38 -0500
Subject: Mercedes SUV Sighting

At lunch today I saw the new Mercedes SUV (here in the states) it has a "A"
frame type front guard w/ 2 Hella 1000 driving lights. I had to do a double
take as I thought that it was some new mercedes minivan.  Very strange
looking. Does anyone know the capabilities of this vehicle? Maybe it's of
no concern just thought that I would FYI.

Chris
91 RR County SWB (w/ a few extra's)

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Date: 	Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:06:48 -1000
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: LRO in HI

Aloha Pat!

I guess I'm the person you're trying to get an address from. Yes I do
work on Dole Street up near the university. We corresponded once before.
I think you said you travel between Miami and Manilla and stop in Hawaii
now and again. My email is:

whaight@hawaii.edu 

My office telephone is 943-1236, give me a call if you are in town and
we can get together and talk Rovers.

SPYDERS wrote:
> Would the LRO w/ an 88 who is in Honolulu (and works down by Dole St. >or the dock area?) please e-mail me. I thought I made a note of your  >e-mail address.

-- 
Wayne R. Haight
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: 	Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:37:28 -1000
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: LRO in HI

Aloha and WOOPS!

Sorry about posting a personal reply to the list. My mistake :(

Anyway now you all have my office number in Hawaii, so I'll extend the
offer to get together to talk Rovers with anyone on the list who comes
into town!

-- 
Wayne R. Haight 1970 Series IIA SWB (Kololohi)
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:30:19 +0000
From: Mike Cattell <mike@mikecat.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Vin Numbers

  ------- Forwarded message follows -------
To all Club members on Email.
 I knew this thing email would come in usefully sometime!
Just before Christmas, I went with Steve Graham to the Heritage centre at
Gaydon . the aim of the visit was to resreach the chassie numbers of ALL S3
Land Rovers, so when members require information i.e. To  obtain a age
related number plate and get rid of a "Q"plate or to qualify for Free Road
tax the Club will be able to help.
It will also be useful to the Club to have a record of the vehicles.
So how can you help.
Could you please e- mail me the following details 
Chassis number 
Model LWB or SWB etc.
Fuel type 
Date of first registration

If you have friends who also own S3 and not a club member could you ask
them also please  

This article will be in the next magazine as well to contact all members.
And it may also help you if you have any queries on the age of your
vehicle, and if it come to light that you have a special Land Rover I will
contact you to let you know 
Frank King
landrover.series3@btinternet.com
 
Mike Cattell, Christleton, Cheshire, U.K.
http://www.mikecat.demon.co.uk/

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From: GNBull3 <GNBull3@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:03:01 EST
Subject: RE: Mysterious dying L-R

>I'm not a motorhead so cut me some slack if there is an obvious 
>solution to this.
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>I drive it but I thought I'd run this by you guys. I forgot....
>along with the dying, it has also started to diesel (run on) a bit.

David,
	It sounds like carb frosting to me. The fuel is freezing up in your carb but
after you let it sit for a few moments, the heat from the engine will thaw it
out. If it is really cold, i.e constantly below freezing, I would block off
the entire radiator at the grill or leave just a small hole. This will not
overheat your LR unless you have problems with your rad or are towing or
something. Also, try putting some dry gas in your tank as moisture in lines
will cause carb frosting as well as the obvious line freezing. 

George Bull

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From: GNBull3 <GNBull3@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:03:45 EST
Subject: Re: need 3.54 diffs!

A while ago Winn wrote:
>Hi all,
>The first day or so I enjoyed having 4.77 diffs in my hybrid because in low
>range it would crawl like a snail.  Then I quickly realized that I can't
afford
>to drive the damn thing- it drinks gas like you won't believe!  The LT95 is
>geared to run 3.54's so I think I'll try to find some.

Winn,
	The LT 95 has several different hi ratios for the transfer box. They range
from 1: .99X to 1: 1.4XX Anyway, if you have a LT 95 that came out of an early
RR, 110 or a Stage 1, then chances are your high range will be in the 1: 1.3+
range. You can buy the tallest high ratio gear for your LT95 for about $150
and it is an easy swap with the other gear. You don't even have to remove the
gearbox! This will give you approx 25% (or more) taller gears in high range
(depending what is in there now) but won't effect your crawling in lo range.
To figure out what is in there now, jack the rear wheels off of the ground.
But the gearbox in 4th (1:1) and the xfer box in Hi. Now turn the motor over
ten times and count how many times the propshaft spins. Divide this number by
10 and you have your ratio. You could just turn the motor over once but it is
less accurate. The taller high ratio is a lot better than swapping in 3:54s
and its easier and cheaper as well. Good Luck.

George Bull

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:20:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Ice Storm some LR content

	Methinks those PTO driven generators are for 540 rpm operation, 
you most likely would have to gear down for proper operation.

Michael Roberts
Vernonia, Oregon
 
> I was sitting in the dark last night and wondered about getting a PTO driven
> generator that they are using on tractors and driving it from the front of
> the crank on the LR. I figure that I could replace the starter dog with a
> shaft with a couple of u-joints on it and there we go instant power. I
> wouldn't be trying this anytime soon but I think that it would be an
> interesting project in the future when things get back to normal. My
> question to the list is does anyone else think that this would be possible
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> 1961 Series II 88
> Ottawa Area

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From: "John McMaster" <john.chia@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:56:11 +0000
Subject: Re: need 3.54 diffs!

> 	The LT 95 has several different hi ratios for the transfer box. They range
> from 1: .99X to 1: 1.4XX 

they go to 1:0.993 (ish), which is what I run in my 110.

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: More Tyre Chains-The ones I got for My Rangie...more
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 14:47:03 PST

----------
> ----------
> > Garrett writes abnout Chainquest....

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> BTW I used to know a girl in NYC named Cherrish but she didn't sell
> chain...she used it   hehehe

before I get myself in trouble here...
To clarify that statement..I knew her, she never used the chains on me =

> Rgds
> Steve Bradke  68 lla 88
>                         72 lll  88
>                         96 Disco

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:33:05 -0800
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Tyre Chains a plenty

For those who need chains...

The people here in Portland have figured out a way to remove the chains
w/out ever stepping out of the vehicle, which of course, leaves I-5
littered with various sizes and styles of chains.

Let me know what you need, and I'll head out on chain patrol tonight.

Later,

Michael Slade
'90 RR
Portland, OR

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:42:28 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Tyre Chains a plenty

ROTFL!!!!

Thanks Michael, I needed to laugh.

Clayton

At 02:33 PM 1/14/98 -0800, Michael Slade wrote:
>For those who need chains...
>The people here in Portland have figured out a way to remove the chains
>w/out ever stepping out of the vehicle, which of course, leaves I-5
>littered with various sizes and styles of chains.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
>'90 RR
>Portland, OR

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From: MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: Dilemma
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:49:37 -0500

Dave,

Don't worry about your friends picking on you.  I was actually relieved
at my bachelor party last spring when the worst my family and friends
could do was pick on me about the LR!  I think my wife was abused more
at her bachelorette party for MARRYING someone who just bought a LR that
didn't quite go the speed limit.     

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:04:48 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Dilemma

> Don't worry about your friends picking on you.  I was actually relieved
> at my bachelor party last spring when the worst my family and friends
> could do was pick on me about the LR!  I think my wife was abused more
> at her bachelorette party for MARRYING someone who just bought a LR that
> didn't quite go the speed limit.

Right On!

I proposed in October in the LR.  Pulled over feigning a break down,
told her something was stuck in the "steering", she walked around to the
front while I was removing said DIAMOND from the "steering", she said
yes.

Did I mention that she loves a cruise in the rover.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:39:34 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: D90 Prices

I've recently been shopping for a 110, and noticed that they have come
down a LOT.

C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD
...

MurphyK1@psgvl.ps.ge.com wrote:
> Has anyone noticed a change in the value of used D90's in the US since
> LR stopped importing  them in December?  These could end up like their
> big sister, the '93 D110, whose value seems to appreciate with time.
>         Kevin
>         Greenville, SC (USA)
>         '67 SIIA 88" (Nancy)

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>         '67 SIIA 88" (Nancy)
>         http://members.carol.net/murphyk/index/rover.html

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:00:26 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: hear hear Eric

I agree  with your sentiments Eric, however 6 months does not seem like a
realistic time scale these days, I have had mine for 12 months and only half
way there. Twenty years ago I did a complete build, and I mean complete,
motor, tranny, axles etc in six months as a Christmas present for the wife,
but nowadays I have other claims on my time as well.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:42:52 EST
Subject: bending wheel centers

A while back, there was a thread concerning steel wheels that got bent for
some reason. I thought Wayne in Hawaii had the problem, but it wasn't him. 

Can the LRO who suffered that problem e-mail me the method of preventing it
from happening when my new tyres are mounted; or these *slicks* taken off.

My memory is terrible, but I think it had to do with the size of the mounting
machine or the balancer...

I'm going to order the tyres soon, the size I'm planning on is 245/75 16 which
is close to 30.5 inches (?); which I was told is close to the 7.50's I have on
there now (minus the tread?).

Thanks,

pat
93  110

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Tyre Chains a plenty
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:04:43 -0500

You might also want to check Hwy 26 Just after the Tunnel heading towards Hillsboro. That is if you can get past the abandoned cars : )

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From: 	Michael Slade[SMTP:slade@imagina.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, January 14, 1998 5:33 PM
Subject: 	Tyre Chains a plenty

For those who need chains...

The people here in Portland have figured out a way to remove the chains
w/out ever stepping out of the vehicle, which of course, leaves I-5
littered with various sizes and styles of chains.

Let me know what you need, and I'll head out on chain patrol tonight.

Later,

Michael Slade
'90 RR
Portland, OR

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Wiring Harness Question
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:55:34 -0500 (EST)

Ok, I'm almost ready to hire a new wiring harness for my '68 IIA from 
British Wiring Inc (Olympia Fields IL), who I'm told have about
the best price going.  Couple of questions:
1. there are 2 options a) braid wrap and b) pvc wrap.  The second is
less expensive.  Any reasons I shouldn't go that route?
2. the ownership for my 88" says 1968, which according to the 
catalogue should be a D suffix, but my serial number ends with a C.
I believe the difference is whether the vehicle was originally
positive earth (C) or negative (D).  I have every reason to believe
that mine was pos earth, but an alternator has been installed
on the engine which indicates a negative earth conversion.  Should
I get a positive or negative earth harness in this case, or does
it matter?  I assume I want negative.  I would be using the wiring
diagrams in the Haynes book (neg earth) to guide the installation.
All in all it looks like it will cost me around $250 US for a 
complete harness, shipped, which sounds reasonable.  I have heard
good things about their products.
I thank you for your help.
Regards,
	--Robert
-- 

Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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Date: 14 Jan 1998 16:42:29 U
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re- Dilemna  

Alan Richer wrote:

 - my first Rover was an extremely tired Diesel 109 pickup (with Bondo in the
chassis I found later) that I paid $3500 for. ( months and an equivalent
amount of cash later, Mr. CHurchill appeared and has been a boon companion
ever since.

Hallelujah - I finally have the strength to admit my shameful past.   I
thought that I was the only one who'd ever paid in the mid-3's for a car with 
"space-age composite material" in the frame (sidebar:  when I finally reframed
my car, I pulled the old frame out of the garage and
rolled it upside down.  It broke in half.  I had driven this car for six
months.)

The upside with Rovers is that your investment in time and money will work out
if you are patient and persistent (you don't have to be a great mechanic, just
handy).   Did I mention patience and persistence?  Oh, and you'll need to
either have, or develop, a sense of humor.  

Series Rovers have one especially good quality - they extract a quick, painful
toll from those new owners who are "doing fashion"; the herd thins fast at
about the six-month point.   If you don't appreciate the mechanicals and are
just hunting for that Daktari element that's missing in your life, go Jeep. 
This is not criticism (I like jeeps), just advice.  Check the classified
boards and you'll always see a number of partially-completed rebuilds, usually
with a tag line like "wife having a baby - need money" or "too many toys".   
None of them ever say "I cannot see the end of the tunnel, so I'm giving up." 

If you want a Series truck that starts, runs and performs well enough to avoid
becoming a laughingstock, you're gonna spend the 8K.  Either up front for a
strong, not esp. pretty example or during your rebuild of a basket case.  
Both ways have merit, but I vote for doing the work yourself.   You've gotta
have confidence in your ability to diagnose and repair minor problems  or
you'll never be comfortable driving any distance.  Doing the rebuild yourself
will make you feel fairly invincible in this regard.

JCJ
73 SIII 88 

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Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:07:18 U
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Tools I carry

1.  4-cell flashlight
     1A.  Three batteries for item 1.
2.  Two biological fastener tightening devices w/opposable   
     thumbs and all-weather tactile sensing capabilities to supplement items
1, 1A.
     Kit includes 10 flathead, lightweight composite screwdriver blades of
various sizes,       
     shapes, lengths.
3.  Variable capacity (0 - 1.5 pint) driver-mounted emergency coolant
reservoir with          
     temp-sensitive filler hose.  Not recommend for use in extinguishing
electrical
     fires.
4.  Road flare (grease-impregnated Haynes manual).  2 minute burn time @900
deg F. 
     Thick-black smoke allows daytime signalling use if req'd.   
5.  One 35 amp fuse (blown, wrapped in foil)
6.  One can "Fix-a-Flat", c. 1991, partially used.

Anything else seems a bit overkill, don't you think?

JCJ

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:38:21 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: More Tyre Chains-The ones I got for My Rangie...more

ASFCO wrote:
> ----------
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 16 lines)]
> > BTW I used to know a girl in NYC named Cherrish but she didn't sell
> > chain...she used it   hehehe
> before I get myself in trouble here...

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> >                         72 lll  88
> >                         96 Disco

  Yea, sure, sure., nudge nudge, wink wink.....

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
Canada

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:10:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Tools carried in LR

Though I don't carry it in a series LR, a tool I like to keep in the RR is
an impact screwdriver.  I don't remember seeing anyone list one of these.

Now that I think of it, I should probably start carrying a hammer to the
thing with incase I every actually need it away from the house.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover (also carries Torx sockets)
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:18:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Freezing Rain

One trick I sometimes use, if I am dressed warmly (always in a LR in
winter), is to NOT turn on the heat in the vehicle, or direct it to the floor.

This actually works better with snow, but if the windshield does not warm up
the stuff a little than it will not refreeze when it cools (like on the
wiper arm).

I have never been able to use this method when my wife is with me.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover (pre heated windshield and heated seats)
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:57:55 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: Tools carried in LR

zOn Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Jeff & Laura Kessler wrote:

> Though I don't carry it in a series LR, a tool I like to keep in the RR is
> an impact screwdriver.  I don't remember seeing anyone list one of these.

I carry one of  these.  I don't remember if it made it to my list or not,
but I have it.  Hammer is definatly a good idea.

david> 

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:10:58 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Using an AC motor for power

Well it seems it can't be done.  I started thinking about it more and my
old radio training and some help from my engineer friends say you need
perm. magnets or at least a field in the motor and AC motors have
neither.  It did kick one to start looking for an alternative and I
found an old but repairable AC generator that I am going to try to
modify on its drive so I can use it on the Land Rover.  I think I can
get it to drive off the bull nose pulley system I mentioned yesterday.
If I could get enough power just to keep my furnace going I could last
just fine.  I have lots of oil lamps since my house is totally furnished
in the 1890 style in furniture and lighting.  All the talk of the big
storm out east here has got me thinking about a similar thing happening
here and our temps get way colder than in Montreal.  Minus 40 is not out
of the question and with no heat, you would die in a few days once the
latent heat left the house.  The Land Rover however is an excellent
stationary power source in neutral in the transfer case.  Any power
takeoffs for sale out there?
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:28:49 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: stationary power

If you can come up with an inverter cheaply, you can build a small
generator for very little:  a horizontal shaft gasoline motor driving an
alternator.   60 Amperes at 12v is only about 700 watts, but it is enough
to run a gas furnace and some lights.  One method of taking power from the
Land-Rover no one has mentioned is via a wheel.  Jack one of the rear
wheels up and hook a belt or some such to it.  Not necessarly the safest
way to do it, though.

david

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:10:27 -0500
From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Additive

Chris Dillard wrote:

> This may seem like a dumb question, if it is SORRY.  Is it safe to add
> something like STP to a tank of gas in my RR. I think that I may have
> pumped a bad (even though it was 93 oct) tank of gas in my RR. Thought I
> would check with the list before doing it. Thanks ahead of time!! Sorry for
> any cross-postings
> Chris
> 91 RR County SWB

 I once got a tank of bad hi-test in a 88 RR I had.  The local Caddy dealer
filled up several cars that day, also.   The guy that owned the station had to
pay about 200 bucks a car to have the tanks removed to be drained.  I told him
that I would do the work on my car myself, and he gave me $100.00.  I just went
to the shop and opened the drain plug!
--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464
Americus, GA 31709
912-924-6513 (H)                     100" hybrid (sawed-off 109, RR chassis&
running gear)
912-928-4984 (CELL)

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From: mcbinc@world.std.com (Monty C Brandenberg)
Subject: IIA hazard light options
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:13:24 -0500 (EST)

I like controls and indicators and a P*O had made a completely useless
attempt at fitting a hazard light to my '69.  The switch was out
of some sort of Brit car but of unsuitable type.  A simple make-two-
break-two thing which, with some work, now gives me a volvoesque
right-flasher-only operation.  I don't want to be so modern as to
use a pair of diodes so I'm looking for a break-two-make-three switch
like so:

		o   .    .   o    .   o
		 \        \        \
		  \- - - - \- - - - \
		  o        o        o
		           +--------+

I don't know if the SIII used a switch like that but the RN part
is about $80+ so I'm looking for cheaper alternatives.  And a
pair of diodes is one option.  Suggestions appreciated...

m

-- 
Monty Brandenberg					  Software Consultant
MCB, Inc.
mcbinc@world.std.com					
617.864.6907					

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