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1 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea9110 Salisbury Axle for sale
2 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea47LRO and charities
3 "Huub Pennings" [HPS@fs135 Re:remember Minerva or what?????
4 caloccia@senie.com 24LRO list Web Archives /// Any interesting Mendo or southern LR events soon ?
5 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns16Re: Series Differential
6 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea26Name Confusion
7 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com17Re: Name Confusion
8 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud21Re: New Addition to the Stable
9 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud34Re: Zipkin's SI 80"
10 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa52Re: 1979 101 For Salein Luxembourg
11 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa53Trans. part needed
12 Lodelane [Lodelane@aol.c18Powder Coating
13 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com32Re: Powder Coating
14 Solihull@aol.com 29Gettin' registered in NA; was 1979 101 FS in Luxembourg
15 Solihull@aol.com 21E Coating, was Powder Coating
16 David Cockey [dcockey@ti20Luxury Land Rovers
17 Granville Pool [gpool@pa19Re: E Coating, was Powder Coating
18 Jeff Goldman [roverboy@g27Re: Series door seals
19 Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuart@e31The SLROC events'98 list...
20 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b23Brake lights


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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: 110 Salisbury Axle for sale
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:53:00 -0500

I just heard of a 110 Salisbury axle for sale in Toronto.$400 or $500
with brakes etc. 416-504-3633
Usual disclaimers.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: LRO and charities
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:00 -0500

A while back we had a thread going about LROs supporting charities.
Nothing much came of it from the listserver end. I managed to interest
LRC in supporting the Canadian Feed the Children and TARC have made
donations to the same cause.

Another chance is coming up for you to show some support. In September
98 the Morgan Sports Car Club of Canada features Land Rover in their
Santa Claus Toy Run on Sunday 27th starting from the Halton Regional
Museum in Milton, Ontario. the run winds through the beautiful fall
colours of Halton Region to finish at Mapleview Mall, Burlington and
then on to a Chili Bash and prize giving.  We already have at least one
101FC for Santa and his elves to ride in (and freeze their Bo***cks off,
as the owner points out).

This annual run supports the Jimmy Lomax "Operation Santa Claus". In
1996 Bill Leacock won furthest travelled coming from Lockport, someone
can do better this year.

To quote Santa (Vern from MSSCC) " The Toy Run is a
roving car show, a show for DRIVERS.  All the participants & spectators
are
encouraged to bring toys & other donations for Jimmy Lomax's charity,
which,
since 1958 has been helping people of all ages to have a merrier
Christmas.
Jimmy has received many recognitions for his years of voluntary
dedication,
one of which is the Order Of Canada.  Inspired by the toy runs done by
motorcyclists, the Morgan Sports Car Club of Canada began hosting this
event
in 1995.  As Jimmy Lomax says, -the Toy Run is +more upscale+ than the
biker
runs-, as one would expect with the marques present: Rolls, Jaguar,
Marcos,
Aston-Martin, Bentley, Morgan,Land Rover, Lotus, Austin Healey, MG,
Triumph, etc."

Put it in your calender, contact me as bluerover@unforgettable.com for
more info
See you at Greek Peak
Trevor

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:14:44 +0100
Subject:       Re:remember Minerva or what?????

Hello 

Ihave bought another one..... 

Some of you might remember me mentioning the 2x4 ex-Belgian army
landy's which were up for sale in Holland last juli. 

I have bought one yesterday (Dfl 2200,- , UKP 666 ,$1100,-)and am 
going to use it as a donor vehicle for old Rusty. She is actually in 
quite good shape and I feel somewhat reluctant to tear her apart.
She is a sound SIII '88 1977 with 2.25 petrol engine, superb chassis 
and reasonable firewall. 

It should be possible to just replace the transfer box with a 
standard unit, then add front propshaft and driven axle......

But no, I wil just use the frame, firewall, softtop gear, swivell 
balls, rear axel and sell the rest.

So Mike if you are still interested to hear more of these unusual 
vehicles just say so.
I will have insight information (and some pictures) in the near 
future.
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 8 Jan 1998 16:33:40 -0000
Subject: LRO list Web Archives /// Any interesting Mendo or southern  LR events soon ?

Hi all and Happy New Year, 

	There was a minor glitch coming into '98, and the presentation of 
web digests was delayed a couple days, but all seems to be well again.

	Was there a Framingham gathering this week, I don't recall
seeing anything on it ?

	Also, if there are going to be any good mendo trips before March 14th,
could one of the left-coasters give me a shout. I've got a free trip on U.ScAIR
and flying out  to the bay area for the weekend wouldn't suck.  (If there
are any really interesting trips down South, I might interested too. Some place
warmer anyway..)

	Ciao,
	Bill

PS: ouch ! the 7.50x16 Trac Edges came in at $159 each...plus...

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:43:23 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Differential

Autoconv wrote:
> Hi Con
> Ratio =   No of teeth on crown wheel / No of teeth on Pinion
> Regards
> David Ashcroft

Thanks to David, Thomas Spoto and all the other private e-mailers for the 
re the diff ratio's. Got 'er straight now!

Con Seitl
1973 III "Pig"

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Name Confusion
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:50:00 -0500

Con Seitl called me Easton and then pointed out the confusion
surrounding the mailserver's listing of my name.

"My apologies Trevor. I had a little trouble with the name. Had a
friendly argument with another "lister" about your name, and we still
were left in doubt, I can't even remember which way I argued! I'm sure
if
you signed your name "Trevor" at the end of your e-mail alot of listers
would probably sigh with relief, knowing without having to ask!"

Please call me Trevor, most of the time or Mr Easton if your begging for
something.

Regards and a Happy New Year to all listers,
Trevor
SO Mary
LRS Miss Golightly and Flossie
Yrs 1962 and 1958
WBS 88 and 109
Colours Not Green (DK Blue) Not Green (Lt Blue)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:03:45 EST
Subject: Re:  Name Confusion

In a message dated 1/9/98 12:59:42 AM, you wrote:

>Please call me Trevor, most of the time or Mr Easton if your begging for
>something.
>Regards and a Happy New Year to all listers,
>Trevor

Hmmm, "most of the time" is indeed a strange choice.

pat
93  110

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:19:20 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: New Addition to the Stable

At 06:46 PM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Sounds neat and a real rarity. I hope you keep it original.

Gonna try.

>Also purchase "Original Land-Rover  Series I" by James Taylor. I've seen
>it in B&N and Border's. Not perfect but much more info then you're find
>elsewhere.

Looking....

Thanks for the help!

Rgds,
Eric

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:29:37 -0500
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: Zipkin's SI 80"

Thanks for the info...I'll keep you apprised of how things go.

Rgds,
Eric

At 05:31 PM 12/20/97 MST, you wrote:
>Eric;
>Congratulations on finding an 80".  According to my SI birthday papers it was
>born on 28 June 1951 and it's serial number is 16136629.  The sheet has 24
>numbers on it that date from late June and early July 1951.  Yours was

probably
>born around late May or early June.  Strangely the numbers run
sequentially, but
>the born on dates start at 2 Jul 1951 at the top of the page and end with
2 Jul
>at the bottom of the page.  In between are dates in late June (22-27-26-28),
>then four numbers dated 3-2 JUL, then back to four on June 22.  Shipping
dates
>also vary from 27 JUN to 31 JUL.
>Get yours from John Riley, Project Eng., Traceability, Lode Lane , Solihull,
>West Midlands B92 SNW, England
>Rob Modica
>Rob Modica, Tucson AZ      '51 SI 80" hardtop      #16136629 "La Rana"
>Arizona Land Rover Owners  '60 SII 109" SW Safari  #16400620 "The Tortuga"

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Home of the University of Arizona Wildcats * 1997 NCAA Basketball Champions
>Home of the 1998 USA Volleyball National Championship Tournament

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: 1979 101 For Salein Luxembourg
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:48 -0800

From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:27:28 -0500
Subject: Re: 1979 101 For Salein Luxembourg

> I just have to ask . . . Why couldn't I bring this thing into the US
and
just not register it -- that is, not use drive it on public roads?  What
would Customs say to that?  Maybe I just want it for a lawn ornament
because it has more class than plastic flamingoes.

If you have not already done so, pick up a copy of the US Customs
pamphlet about importing a vehicle into the US.  You will find that the
only vehicles allowed in are those that meet the US emissions and safety
requirements that were in force at the time of the vehicle's manufacture
OR any vehicle more than 25 years old.  The one-per-person-per -life
waiver that used to be available for importing a non-US spec vehicle
less than 25 years old has been eliminated.  Customs will not allow a
vehicle that doesn't comply with the requirements set out in the
pamphlet off the dock.  Your choices will be 1) bring the vehicle into
compliance with US emissions and safety specifications, 2) ship the
vehicle back to where it came from, and 3) destroy the vehicle on the
spot.  These are your only choices for the importation of a non-US spec
vehicle less than 25 years old.  Customs could care less what you intend
to do with it or what you promise to do with it.  If it doesn't comply,
you won't be able to remove it from the dock or the Customs impound
yard.

The only alternative you have is to disassemble your 101 and ship it
over in several shipments of pieces.  They'll still have to go through
Customs, but as it's not an assembled vehicle you could probably pass it
off as spare parts.  However, once put back together, it's likely that
you won't be able to register it as the 101 does not exist in the US as
far as the vehicle registration people are concerned.  Depending on your
state's regulations you may be able to get around this or you may find
that they refuse to register it.  This is no problem if you're going to
drive it on your own property, but it will obviously keep you from using
it off your property.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Trans. part needed
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:40:16 -0800

Date: 7 Jan 1998 09:03:17 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Trans. part needed

> I'm looking for the stuff that I need to be carrying in case my
overdrive
fails.  The overdrive was installed by the PO and it sounds fine, but
there is
a bit of play/driveline lash when it's engaged, so I'm prepping my spare
parts
bag for trouble ahead.

> I don't have the backing plate for the SIII transmission and whatever
internals that were removed to make way for the OD, so if the OD  fails
I am
SOL. Can anyone specifically identify the parts I need, and better yet,
does
anyone have the parts for sale/trade or know of a reasonable source?

You will need the cover for the hole where the overdrive enters the
transfer case.  You will need the original input gear (upper gear) that
fits on the output shaft of the transmission and mates with the
intermediate (middle) gear in the transfer case.  You will need the
various thrust washers that fit on one or both sides of the input gear.
You will need the piece that screws (I think) onto the end of the
transmission output shaft and locks the input gear in position.  There
may be a cotter pin or bendable tab washer required that locks the nut
in place behind the input gear.  The cover that fits on the back of the
transfer case supports the rear of the transmission output shaft, so
make sure it has the proper bushing/bearing installed.

I believe that's about it.  I installed my overdrive shortly after I
bought my Series III new in 1973.  I've had it off only once a number of
years ago, but I don't think I've left out any essential parts.  You
should be able to get the parts you need from Rovers North or Atlantic
British.  If you get a factory service manual for your Land Rover,
something you should have anyway, you will be able to identify the parts
you need.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Lodelane <Lodelane@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:44:44 EST
Subject: Powder Coating

Just got a new Eastwood's Catalog.  They are now offering a rig for do-it-
yourself powder coating called HotCoat.  Kit goes for $150.00 and extra
colors/refills are $12.00.  Is a three step process - strip the part,
electrostatic powder coat, bake in an ELECTRIC oven at 400 degrees Farenheit
for 10 minutes (says in the ad not to use an oven used for preparing food).
Anyway, for those interested, there it is - no connections with Eastwood's on
my part.  However, if someone does get the rig and tries it, please let the
lists know how you fair.  Eastwood's 1-800-345-1178 US/1-800-820-9042 Canada
Product Number 1980

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:35:23 EST
Subject: Re:  Powder Coating

In a message dated 1/9/98 5:03:02 AM, you wrote:

>They are now offering a rig for do-it-
>yourself powder coating called HotCoat.  Kit goes for $150.00 and extra
>colors/refills are $12.00.  Is a three step process - strip the part,
>electrostatic powder coat, bake in an ELECTRIC oven at 400 degrees Farenheit
>for 10 minutes (says in the ad not to use an oven used for preparing food).

What's the fascination with the Powder Coating method of surface treatment?
I've had several items that were done when I bought them and none lasted too
long. One example was a brushguard on a 94 D90 TDI that got nicked in a few
places and started to rust and bubble immediately and there was no apparent
cure.

I guess it looks ok at first, and is relatively cheap to do, but doesn't seem
to offer real protection and a way to repair it if damaged, and a cosmetic
fix; if you know what I mean.

What parts would you consider powdercoating that wouldn't be better off primed
and painted or galvanized? I'd even prefer cadmium or industrial chroming then
paint of the preferred color over that.

Just curious.

pat
93  110

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:55:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Gettin' registered in NA; was 1979 101 FS in Luxembourg

Marin's points are well taken, but...........
  Next time you're by a golf course, notice all those daihatsu and mitsbishi
 trucklets the grounds keepers use. In Japan, that's a regular size
pick-m-up, yet they're imported to NA and sold as off road only utility
vehicles. Be kinda hard passing off a 101 that way, though. Bummer. 
  Bringing over the bits and putting it together is doable. Here in GA, you
can get just about anything registered. Thankfully, even though the federal
government can say what gets in as whole vehicles, registration is still done
by  the individual states, and in some places by county. My county is most
cooperative, as long as it's over fifteen years old. 
  I used to drive NSUs, over here, which were legally imported, talk about a
funny look and a roll of the eyes as they type up the registration! Those are
fershur not in the digests anymore, either!! 

  Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:00:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: E Coating, was Powder Coating

Jack Walter in Roswell, GA recently had the bulkhead to his IIa E-coated. He
said they charged the item to be coated and then dipped it. It looked great,
except where two bubbles were in the right parcel shelf, POR 15 ought to take
care of that, though. He said the process withstood some kind of mega hour
salt water spray test. 
  Jack, why don't you fill us in!?
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:04:00 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Luxury Land Rovers

Wall Street Jounal today:

"Luxury items have been so hot for so long that it's hard to turn heads
with mere Land Rovers, private jets or Aspen, Colo. vacation homes."

The author was obviously not refering to Series LRs.
1)  No one would consider a Series LR a "luxury item" (other than
prehaps customers of BNW)
2)  Series LRs still turn heads.

BTW, the article was about luxury motorhomes costing from $150,000 to
$800,000.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:51:41 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: E Coating, was Powder Coating

John Dillingham said:
 
>Jack Walter in Roswell, GA recently had the bulkhead to his IIa E-coated. He
>said they charged the item to be coated and then dipped it. It looked great,

Gord'n Perrott of Seattle was building an 88" coiler (Arrow chassis) and
had the bulkhead powder-coated.  Looked awesome.  When I saw it (Portland
meet, several years ago), it was a running chassis with the bulkhead and no
other bodywork.  If I were going to do that phansie a refurbishment of a
Series Land-Rover, I'd powder-coat the radiator breakfast panel as well.

Cheers,

Granny who's thinking that--someday--he might actually paint the Snark

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 02:56:17 -0500
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Series door seals

At 02:39 PM 1/4/98 EST, you wrote:

>While cutting, grinding, drilling and otherwise separating my 32 year old LR
>from her door seals this afternoon, I seemed to remember that these old
rubber
>seals once they become brittle and glazed over are hazardous and that you
>should wear gloves, respirator etc.  Anyone know anything about this?  Have I

  Hmmm... Don't think so. There is a hazardous substance called
Hydroflouric acid which remains after certain types of synthethic rubbers
have been burned and melted. This is the substance described in the Haynes
guides. It manifests itself in the black, charred, sticky residue. 
  Natural rubber shouldn't pose a threat, and definitely shouldn't merely
because it's old. However, I'm not the chemist... Breathe/touch at own risk.

Jeff G.

Boston, MA
1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover - needing frame
1990 Range Rover County - hybrid fodder (ask about parts, especially body)
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD - the anomaly, albeit a competently quick 4x4
1991 Range Rover Hunter - basically OME-ified

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:55:44 +0000
From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Subject: The SLROC events'98 list...

I have updated the Scottish Land Rover Owners Club web pages, and have
available our 1998 calander of events.

The main page is at:
	http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/
The events are listed at: 
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/events98.shtml

Note, 1998 is the 40th for the SLROC as well as the 50th for the LR marque
- so this will be a good year for us!

If anyone is in the area for one of our events, come along and watch...

The big event for all you competitive types is our ENDURO in mid-August,
open to anyone with an RAC race-licence and a properly specced motor (even
if it isn't a landy!).  This will be a really spectacular event!

-- 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 
    Phone: +44 131 650 3027

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Brake lights
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:13:32 +1100

>Thanks to a very nice truck driver I was informed yesterday that I was
driving without the lower brake lights
>What's going on!!!

Are you sure they aren't the rear fog loamps?  The Rangies loer lights are
the fogs.  They only work when switched on and  the headlights are on low
beam

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual
check my home page at
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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