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1 bmc@syspac.com 33Re: Prop shafted
2 Winn Bearden [wbearden@a14Major
3 john hess [jfhess@wheel.43heaters
4 "David Lee" [djflee@emai41V8 Heritage
5 "Dries Venter" [ventera@30The Phantom lives where?
6 "Dries Venter" [ventera@19V8 starter - must it be shielded?
7 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 18Prop shaft update
8 "William L. Leacock" [wl12Roundf heater core
9 "Colin Marshall" [colmar21Finally got 1...um...3
10 "FHYap" [FHYap@ix.netcom15Re: The Phantom lives where?
11 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy20Heater and insulation for your Rover
12 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns29Re: Heater and insulation for your Rover
13 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b39Prop shafted
14 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b50Slant 6 madness


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From: bmc@syspac.com
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 05:44:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Prop shafted

Take the propshaft to a specialist (usually found in large town and
cities of any good size.) They can weld a new style joint and fix the
whole thing for generally the cost of another used shaft will cost with
new UJ's fitted.

Regards,

Jon Nyhus

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
 
Nate wrote:
 
when the sliding joint in a prop shaft goes bad, can it be replaced?
Depends on what goes bad.  By design, there was no zerk fitting on the
front prop shaft.  Rover reasoned that every time it got lubed, the
front
shaft would get pumped full of grease.  This would cause
"hydraulising";  when the front axle gest displaced by a bump, the shaft
shortens and the compressed grease would blow out the seal.  By
comparison, the rear shaft gets lenghtened in the same situation - no
worries.  So the front shaft only has  a bolt in the grease nipple hole.
Yes, it can be disassembled.  Unscrew the collar and *gently* remove the
castelated fiber washer inside. Be forewarned.  This washer is one part
unavialable anywhere at any price.  (It can be super-glued back
together, however.)  However, if the splines are worn/sloppy due to a
lack of grease over the years, the whole shaft must be replaced.  Cheers

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:39:46 -0500
From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Subject: Major

> Does the Major have a hangover like the rest of us, or am I the only one who
> hasn't gotten the list since New Year's?

--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464
Americus, GA 31709
912-924-6513 (H)
912-928-4984 (CELL)

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:20:24 -0800
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: heaters

From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Heaters/John

The only heaters from Series IIA's I'm aware of were;

1) The little circular Smiths Heater, to left of centerline on the bulkhead.

2) The Kodiak, which was a North American option and  took up most of the
passenger (right side) foot well.

Hi again, (my $0.02)

My dormie has a rectangular Smiths heater mounted below the instrumental
panel, on top of the tranny hump.  It is about a foot wide, 10 inches hi
and 2 inches thick.  It was pictured in the old British Pacific catalog I
had and listed for something like $1000.  While pulling the engine for a
rebuild, I had to pull the heater to get the floor boards out.  A central
fan recirculated air in the cabin, drawing no air from the outside.  Small
doors on the left or right end open and close.  the standard corregated
tubing was used to direct air from the heater core to the windshield for
defrosting.

Here in the great central valley of california, where the lowest T is about
35 (F) the heater is fine.  Not that it warms up the whole vehicle mind
you, but it does create a zone around the front seats of warmer than
ambiant air.  Alos, it will keep the front windows defrosted unless it's
cold outside and you have three adults and three dogs (two of them
Vislas(pointers)) in the dormie.

cheers,

John F Hess   jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

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From: "David Lee" <djflee@email.msn.com>
Subject: V8 Heritage
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:38 -0000

A P (Sandy) Grice wrote
>Spot on.  The motor was actually discovered quite by accident.  Rover
>engineer William-Martin Hurst was touring a Mercury Marine (boatbuilding)
>plant in the US when he literally stumbled across the little GM V-8 on the
>floor.  At that time, the "100 inch station wagon" project AKA the Range
>Rover was in the design stages, with the Rover P-6 six cylinder slated as
>the powerplant.  As the V-8 was lighter, shorter and more powerful than the
>P-6, Rover soon purchased the patent rights from GM...

I think the chronology may be slightly out. The first car Rover put the V8
into
was the P5B. (B for Buick) the P6 was certainly on the drawing board,
possibly
even in production; but I think the Range Rover was still a few years away.
I could be wrong obviously.
The P6 originally came with an ohc (a novelty at the time) 2 litre, 4
cylinder
engine with a single SU carb.  - My first car...sniff.......The addition of
a second carb
improved the performance dramatically,  - my second car...sniff....sniff....
and boring it out to 2.2 litres improved the mid-range grunt. After that
The V8 was put in with an auto box, and eventually in 3500S form
with a 4 speed manual. - My third car...sniff...sob...sob..wonderful car!
I don't believe it was ever produced with a 6 cylinder engine. I'm not sure
but the P5s
had a 6 cylinder at one point I think; Triumph (another BL subsidiary)
certainly did, as of course
did LR. Could it have been on of these? I'm sure the truth is out here
somewhere.

Dave Lee
1976 SIII 109 Safari
1955 Triumph TR2
Forres
Scotland

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From: "Dries Venter" <ventera@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: The Phantom lives where?
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:53:39 +0200

`>*BUT*, I am now more confused as to where he might live.  I've always
`>assumed that it was in Africa, perhaps because of the animals.  I've also
`>assume it was in a piece of country which developed under British rule
`>because of the style of the Jungle Patrol clothes etc.
`I thought it was south america somewhere, but I couldn't be sure.  (There
`was a Phantom movie made here recently (not bad, but too short; I liked
the
`well-choreographed fighting) but I'm afraid I didn't pay that much
attention
`to details.)

`>Tigers and lions feature in the comic strip, so it can't be set in the
`>Americas.
`Unless the artist is clueless.

Hey, when last did you guys hear of dinosaurs living ANYwhere?  He must be
living on another planet, or maybe he got mixed up with Jurassic Farce and
is living on an island somewhere off the South American coast.  Maybe the
one that Papillon escaped from?  Now that would be good movie idea...the
Phantom meets T. Rex while trying to escape from Devil's Island in an
inflatable Land Rover...

Dries Venter
1985 110 PUP V8 aka "The Yellow Submarine"

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From: "Dries Venter" <ventera@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: V8 starter - must it be shielded?
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:30:50 +0200

All this talk about starters has set me thinking.  A friend, while looking
at the underside of the Yellow Submarine noted that the strter motor is
awfully close (like 1") to the R.H downpipe of the V8.  He said performance
in the long run would suffer because the starter's insides get cooked to a
frazzle.  The starter has been rebuilt already due to poor cranking speed
and high current draw.  He suggested trying to poot some sort of a shield
ver the starter, bolted onto the starter retainng bolts (I suppose he meant
sandwiched between the starter and the mounting flange)

Any ideas/experiences on the subject?

Dries Venter
1985 100 V8 PUP aka "The Yellow Submarine"

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:27:28 EST
Subject: Prop shaft update

Hi all,

Talked with the local NAPA which also does driveline repairs and they about
gagged when they heard the price of a new front prop shaft.  
"You bring a driveshaft that's not bent, and we can get it back together for a
whole less than a new one.", they said.  Price depends on the spline pattern.

On another note, I have a propshaft that I thought one of the U joints was
shot.  Not the case! Just the wrong size circlip in the groove.  I went with a
slightly thicker circlip and it's as good as new.  Anyone else ever see this?

Nate

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:02:40 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Roundf heater core

John Hess writes re a round Smiths heater core.
 A similar round heater was fitted to the Morris Minor car and van. The core
is actually the same dia but about 1 inch wider, can be fitted to the LR if
the pipes are modified, there may be more sources for a Morris Minor core
that for a Land Rover core.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Colin Marshall" <colmar@picknowl.com.au>
Subject: Finally got 1...um...3
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:14:48 +1030

G'day gang,
                 I can now declare that I have proven my insanity!
What started out as one 80'' has now turned into three 80"'s...that will
teach me to go looking for parts!
At the moment I've got Serial no. 26660853 sitting in the driveway, with
two more to come from Kangaroo Island
as soon as I can get down there from Adelaide.
Are there any other 80" owners in South Australia?, as I'd like to take
some photos to help with the restoration of these beasts.
By the way, I watched a movie called "RACE the SUN",with James Belushi last
night.
It has a fairly flash Oz Ex Army Series 3 in it.

Happy Repairing...
                           Colin Marshall.

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The Phantom lives where?
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:39:11 -0800

> `>*BUT*, I am now more confused as to where he might live.  I've always
> `>assumed that it was in Africa, perhaps because of the animals.  

I remember reading Phantom comis back in the 60s and in my memory are
scenes from Africa.  I just checked and there is a Phantom FAQ at
http://members.aol.com/tgoldberg/phantom.txt and the location is given as
Central Africa.

Frank

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:28:25 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Heater and insulation for your Rover

To give my vehicle enough heat to make it usable in a Canadian winter, I
have installed a rear heater.  The original was from the 1979 Chev.
Vandura Van.  It comes with a three speed fan and all the cables and
does a great job of heating the cab of my 88.  I ran the hoses under the
cab over the main cross member by the transmission and into the rear
wheel arch on the drivers side.  It works fine.  I have my Rover well
insulated, but this summer I am going to take some of the fibre glass
out and put in the silver covered foam I saw at my local lumber yard.
It comes in about 4 foot wide rolls and sells for about $4.00 a foot so
that gives me about a $1 per foot.  Not bad for price and it can be cut
with scissors and gluded in.  I think because of the aluminium foil
covering it will keep engine bay heat out as well.  It is only about
1/4" thick and has lots of air cells in it so I think it will be great
for the roof.
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:14:34 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Heater and insulation for your Rover

Dave Place wrote:
> To give my vehicle enough heat to make it usable in a Canadian winter, I
> have installed a rear heater.  The original was from the 1979 Chev.
> Vandura Van.  It comes with a three speed fan and all the cables and
> does a great job of heating the cab of my 88.  I ran the hoses under the
> cab over the main cross member by the transmission and into the rear
> wheel arch on the drivers side.  It works fine.  I have my Rover well
> insulated, but this summer I am going to take some of the fibre glass
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> for the roof.
> Dave VE4PN

I've done the same thing. My heater has only one speed, high, but it puts 
out enough heat to bake your....butt. I have copper lines to under the 
back floor for safety, then switches to rubber hose under the floor right 
up to my heater core for flexibility and ease of replacement. I also 
scrounged a bunch of the silver covered foam from job-sites and plan to 
insulate the doors as well. You can glue this stuff about 5 layers thick, 
also deadens the noise. Just don't put it where there is alot of heat    
  ie: near the exhaust if insulating from underneath. Also great under 
the rear floor mat about 2 layers thick.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Prop shafted
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:06:13 +1100

Nate wrote:

>when the sliding joint in a prop shaft goes bad, can it be replaced?

Alexander P. Grice replied:

<<Yes, it can be disassembled.  Unscrew the collar and *gently* remove the 
castelated fiber washer inside.  Be forewarned.  This washer is one part 
unavialable anywhere at any price.  (It can be super-glued back together, 
however.)  However, if the splines are worn/sloppy due to a lack of grease 
over the years, the whole shaft must be replaced.  >>

I just checked the Four Wheel Drives catalogue (Aussie firm) and they list
a kit to repair your own prop shaft.

Flanged yoke A$35 (US$22)
Female slip joint complete with grease nipple, cap and seal A$60 (US$37). 
Specify universla size 2-15/16" or 3-7/32".
Male stub shaft fits all props with around 2" OD prop tube 1948-1981  A$65
(US$40)

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Slant 6 madness
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:55:05 +1100

Ron wrote:
>You can also get a kit for a Chrysler Valiant slant-6 hemi
>engine (Plymouth Valiant in the USA).  A mate of mine has 
>a SIIA LWB with a hemi and it goes like the wind.

Russ Wilson wrote:

>Ron, you can't leave everyone hanging like that.  

Yes I can 8-)

>You have atleast a dozen people in the throws of slant-6 envy.... 
>Is someone still producing this conversion as a kit?  Where 
>can this conversion be had?? 

It was a fairly common conversion back in the 70's down here in Australia. 
I'm not sure if Mark's 4WD Adaptors does a kit (check their site
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~marks4wd).

I recall my mate bought it in Darwin back in the 70's when he was on a
round-Australia touring holiday.  He also had to carry spare half-shafts
when he put the hemi in.

For more info, I'll have to ring my mate next week - he lives on Norfolk
Island but the car is in Sydney.  His SIIA on Norfolk is GM Holden 186ci
powered.

> I'm just another silly American that wants to go everywhere
> fast....or at least faster.

No different to the rest of us......

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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