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From: gehl@at.crane.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:15:28 +0000
Subject: NewZealandExperiences?

Greetings,
I am interested in determining if there are any active New Zealand 
subscribers to this list.  The web lists two major clubs but no email 
addresses.  Is this a LandRover friendly country?  How do Series 
vehicle/parts prices compare relative to the US? Are there 
prohibitive green regulations?  Is there a phenomenal assessed tax to 
import and/or operate older vehicles?  Are diesels preferred?  What 
of taxes in general?  Tolerance or disdain for Americans? 
All comments/experiences/rumors appreciated!  Mark

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:33:50 +0100
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:39:33 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Marijn van der Himst wrote:

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>  Im am getting this message lots of times lately, instead of the digest.
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I suspect what this means is that your mailer thinks you don't want to
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:22:55 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR

OVLR = Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Ottawa= the capital of Canada
Valley= an area of land bordering a river between hills
Land = the surface of planet earth
Rovers= those who wander around said planet

    John and Muddy (Who is)Ron Beckett wrote:
> Adrian Redmond wrote:
> >At last - after 18 months on this list, I have finally discovered what
> >OVLR means -
> Well, don't keep the rest of us in suspense!  What does it mean?
> Regards,

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> check my home page at
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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Date: 16 Dec 1997 08:29:26 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pickup Tube Screens

        Reply to:   RE>Fuel Pickup Tube Screens

Just a reminder that if you have a Weber (the 1bbl at least), there is a
removeable, cleanable filter screen just downstream of where the fuel
line attaches to the carb body.  The advantage is that its easier to clean
than a screen in the fuel tank.  There's also a screen in the mechanical fuel
pumps, of course.   

It's probably better to cut the gunk off at the earliest moment (in the tank),
but if you don't have pickup tube screens, it's not a dire emergency.

Jeff

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:35:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Music???

I like most of the bands that you listed but must point out that
MINISTRY IS NOT PUNK.  I have been a big PIL fan for years.

CIrvin1258 wrote:

> What do you listen to, when you're skeptical about going up that
> ridge?
> Or - when you just can't seem to wake up, and go on that off-road
> outing?
> The answer is simple - Punk Rock.

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> Charles
> P.S. It works for me

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:43:14 -0500
Subject: RE: Music??

Personally, whenencountering a questionable ridge or hill I usually like to
hear "SWEAT" by TOOL. This usuall just about does it for me.  So far it
seems to work every time.

Chris
91 RR County

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:59:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Music??

I think off roading music must be FAST, somthing like The Land of Rape
and Honey(Ministry), Beers Steers & Qveers(Revolting Cocks), or just
about anything by skinny puppy.  Hell, a lot of the songs even include
sound bytes of car crashes :")

Chris Dillard wrote:

> Personally, whenencountering a questionable ridge or hill I usually
> like to
> hear "SWEAT" by TOOL. This usuall just about does it for me.  So far
> it
> seems to work every time.
> Chris
> 91 RR County

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:01:46 -0500
Subject: RE: Music

I agree!!  The music definately has to be heavy and fast when off-roading.
I like James Taylor but somehow "Copperline" just doesn't cut it when your
up to your *ss in muck!!  Viloent Femmes work nicely as well!!

Chris
91 RR County
64 SER IIA 88

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:01:21 -1000
From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Beleive it or not the thing is 4x4 using a VW petrol water cooled four
cylinder.  Dixon can maybe say more.  NATO had tons of those things and the
few I saw in Bosnia had been gifts to the Non-Governement groups working
over there.  I did see one being used by the Canadians.  Comments weren't
too bad but they are considering changing.  My bet is they will go for the
Landy because it is cheaper than a hummer and easier to service.  But the
guys in the field never get in on those kind of decisions.

Roy - 81/2 months in a damm hummer.  3 months re-training for my Rover.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:19:07 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Music???

CIrvin1258 wrote:
> What do you listen to, when you're skeptical about going up that ridge?

   I turn the damn radio OFF so I can concentrate!!!!!!!
> Or - when you just can't seem to wake up, and go on that off-road outing?
  I can get up at any time at the prospect of a good days Off Roading

> The answer is simple - Punk Rock.
  Sorry but Punk Rock isn't the answer to ANY of my problems. 
> Anything by the Dead Kennedeys,Sex Pistols, Fear, Circle Jerks, P.I.L., UK
> Subs, Ministry, Sparks, etc., is guaranteed to make you want to drive that
> Land Rover ANYWHERE! Even if you don't want to.
 Here you are correct. It is guaranteed to make me drive as far away as
possible. 
> Charles
> P.S. It works for me
  I am Happy it works for you but I really don't understand why.
     John and Muddy (who ain't no punk)

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:20:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Music

Not much of a James Taylor fan but I use to dig the Femmes.  Man, I feel
realy old.  Most of the new 'alternative' music just does not have the
same bite.  BTW, I saw somthing on tv the otherday, I think it was
called south park.  They had a puppet show of a fight to the death match
with Marilyn Manson facing Charles Manson!  I don't care for either
Manson, though the beautifull people is a great song, but this show was
f*c*i*g funny.

William & Beast

Chris Dillard wrote:

> I agree!!  The music definately has to be heavy and fast when
> off-roading.
> I like James Taylor but somehow "Copperline" just doesn't cut it when
> your
> up to your *ss in muck!!  Viloent Femmes work nicely as well!!
> Chris
> 91 RR County
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> 91 RR County
> 64 SER IIA 88

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From: gehl@at.crane.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:40:17 +0000
Subject: FineMesh

Trevor,
... mesh fine enough to stop water and pass fuel ... that's quite a 
fine mesh.  Can you see through it?  Does the women's garment 
industry know about this? m

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:39:28 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Thomas Spoto wrote:
> matt wrote:
> > Thomas Spoto wrote:
> > > Paul Quin wrote:
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 21 lines)]
> > all the pink panther makers, even the 110 and 130 'panthers...
> > matt...

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> part with. I'll pass on anything he sends to me.
> Tom
thanks I'd appreciate it...
matt

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:37:14 EST
Subject: Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

In a message dated 12/16/97 8:49:27 AM, Richard, the ex-Gurkha SIII with great
searching & typing skills, wrote:

>I think I've trawled the web before, but I'm doing another search...
>So far AltaVista on +"Dr Who" +UNIT   comes up with St. Aidans Anglican
>Girls School!
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

So, what's the URL, and how would you rate their site? ;-)

Pat (human, maybe)
93  110 (Land Rover, sometimes)

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Join in the BSROA off-road trip on Jan 1st
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:46:02 GMT

On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:52:25 -0500, you wrote:

>The BSROA are hosting a New Years Day off-road event in South West NH.
>Restricted to 5 vehicles. There are 4 more slots open to non-BSROA members.
>Any takers ????
>This is on non-damaging routes, lunch near a water fall.

Notice the careful choice of words. He did not say you would see the
waterfall. If you want to see if bring crampons and an ice axe or snow
shoes. Or boots that have some grip on ice. I only fell once on the
way to the waterfall and was not damaged.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: BFG URL info
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:56:13 GMT

Try http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:40:39 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: FineMesh

gehl@at.crane.navy.mil wrote:
> Trevor,
> ... mesh fine enough to stop water and pass fuel ... that's quite a
> fine mesh.  Can you see through it?  Does the women's garment
> industry know about this? m

All you want is for the fine mesh to be fine enough for the surface
tension of the water to keep those pesky water molecules together on the
upstream side of the mesh. Put enough pressure behind them however and
they will go thru the mesh. If you want I can look into just how fine a
denier that is, or should I say the mesh size.

Tom

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:08:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

http://www.staidan.qld.edu.au/

But there's just a Handbook (the English Page lists UNITs, one called "Who?
 Dr Who?"), and
information (ie. WWW links) for staff and students.
Senior Student totty level is lacking.

No doubt the whole Web Site is the first stage of a full indoctrination
programme...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

SPYDERS@aol.com on 12/16/97 02:37:14 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

In a message dated 12/16/97 8:49:27 AM, Richard, the ex-Gurkha SIII with
great
searching & typing skills, wrote:
>I think I've trawled the web before, but I'm doing another search...
>So far AltaVista on +"Dr Who" +UNIT   comes up with St. Aidans Anglican
>Girls School!
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
So, what's the URL, and how would you rate their site? ;-)
Pat (human, maybe)
93  110 (Land Rover, sometimes)

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:11:30 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: (Rover for sale in Houston)

Thomas Spoto wrote:

> > Steve Miller
> > Series III 72 Original Owner
> > 88 RR
> > Houston Texas
> Steve,
>  I just got back from Houston yesterday. While on Westheimer going east
> from the Galleria on the way to see the Houston Symphonies Christmas
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> have a for sale sign on it. My friend who was driving didn't want to
> stop,we'd be late for the concert. Anyway know anything about the car?

It's got a nice paint job on it, and my mechanic "says" he knows
something about it.  Lemme know if I can help.

Herman in Houston

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:02:06 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Wrecked 90 4 sale

Dear all,
        Just got a call from Progressive Auto Insurance in Burlington, VT.
They are selling off a wrecked 1995 D90 with 28,000 miles to the highest
bidder. A left front accident I was told, hit the frame pretty hard I
guess. Never seen the car, but a lot of people call here asking for wrecked
D90's and we rarely have them, so here is the info. if anybody is looking
for one.
usual disclaimers
Have a great day.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:24:46 -0800
From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Subject: 2.25 in cars

I don't know about the 2.25 but there was a Rover 2200TC which had a
115bhp twin carb engine.  Whether this is the 2.25, connected to the
2.25, or totally unrelated I don't know.  The dunsfold Collection do
have an 88" with this engine which was a factory guinea pig.  If you
really want to know about the engine try the UK LRO List.
Merry Christmas everyone, I'm leaving the list for the holiday period.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:02:07 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?! (Iltis)

>The Iltis doesn't have much in common with the VW thing other than the
>company which designed them. The Iltis was originally designed for the
>West German Army, and I believe the drivetrain was based on the Audi
>90/Fox of the early '70s modified for 4wd. The engine is a watercooled
>L4 mounted longitudinally in front of the front axle, and the gearbox is
>behind the axle. 4wd was obtained by coupling a propshaft to the rear of

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>between front and rear axles. This drivetrain setup then used (with a
>more powerful engine) in the first Quattro rally car.

I just did a search on excite and found that the DND have the specs for the
Iltis on a web site, The URL is
http://www.lfc.dnd.ca/english/equip/vehic/iltis.htm

Keith

1961 Series II 88"
Ottawa

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:36:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?! (Iltis)

Re: Iltis:

Gak - what an ugly litte spud.

Looks like a Moke on Steroids.

               aj"Not for me, thanks...."r

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:38:20 -0500
Subject: Triumph Spitfire question (no LR content)

A friend is purchasing one of these, and I want to drop a radio in it for
ferry-travel communications.

Do these little monsters have a cigar lighter, or plugs like an LR?

                         Alan/Mr. C

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:55:07 EST
Subject: Billings '98?

Does anyone have the dates available for Billings '98?  Thanks in advance..
Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:09:17 -0800
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Driveline bolts

     
     dumb question but.......
     
     Does anyone know the size of the flange bolts for the front driveline 
     of a IIA? The driveline was out when I bought the truck and I want to 
     install it without having to make multiple trips to the hardware 
     store. 
     
     thanks in advance
     tew

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From: aworsley.ox@miebach.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:29:59 +0000
Subject: LRO + UKLRO

2 very basic questions.
Is I post to Uklro does it appear on lro page and vice versa. This is so that 
I do not end up copying everything to everybody twice.

Alasdair S Worsley
Aworsley.ox@miebach.com
Big Red and Not Very Clean (and that's just my Land Rover)
Land Rovers Drive where others Fear to Tread
101FC The best a man can get.
Smokey and Goliath

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From: "Andy Best" <abest@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25 engines
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:59:39 -0000

Braman Wing wrote...

>Subject: 2.25 engines

>Forgive my lack of British car knowledge, but did any other cars ever use
the Rover 2.25 petrol block or head? Thanks,

>Braman

The Rover 80 variant of the P4 car used the 2.25 petrol engine. 5900 of
these cars were built between 1960 and 1962, but I don't know how many were
exported.

Andy Best
abest@dial.pipex.com
1955 S1 86"
1985 90 2.5D

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Date: 16 Dec 1997 15:57:59 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Troubleshooting

Check out www.troubleshooters.com

It has diagnostic process flowcharts for many purposes, and even has a section
devoted to automotive troubleshooting. 

LR Content:  If you own a Series Land Rover, your need for troubleshooting
information is prima facie, as the law types would say.  

Jeff 
73 SIII 88 

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:23:32 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Clutch Flush

Hello all;  I in the process of finishing rebuilding my clutch slave, 
have already done the master, and I've got the good 'ole Dot 4  to put 
into the system. After blowing out all the old rubber eatin' and 
dissolving brake fluid, what should I use to clean the lines? Is it good 
enough to leave as is or should I try to flush it with another type of 
cleaner? It may not seem like much, but I'm going to have to do the 
brakes soon as well. :-(

Cheers,

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:37:33 -0400
From: Doug Loader <dloader@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: Iltis

The Canadian Iltis is quite a nice vehicle for driving.  Good off road,
hard to get stuck, lots of guts.  On the highway, it's slow to get up to
speed, but I was able to cruise with a 1/4ton trailer at around 95-105
km/h on the autobahn.  Cargo space is okay of you don't use the rear
seats.  The ambulance (still a soft top) would provide a bit more room,
and the linelaying rig would make a very small pickup once all the
cabinetry was removed (or you could make it into a little repair/welding
rig).

Mechanically they are terrible.  They overheat a lot, and are difficult
to work on.  They do break down a lot, various things.  If you were to
buy one, get three so you have some spares.

If they go up for sale it would be through Crown Assets Disposal
Corporation.  You have to get on their mailing list for different item
coming up for bid.  Try phoning Reference Canada (1-800-6673-355) for
contact information.  Normally they have a silent auction, mail in your
bid sort of thing, but not always.

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: NewZealandExperiences? longish reply
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:09:00 +1100

"
I am interested in determining if there are any active New Zealand
subscribers to this list.  The web lists two major clubs but no email
addresses.  Is this a LandRover friendly country?  How do Series
vehicle/parts prices compare relative to the US? Are there
prohibitive green regulations?  Is there a phenomenal assessed tax to
import and/or operate older vehicles?  Are diesels preferred?  What
of taxes in general?  Tolerance or disdain for Americans?
All comments/experiences/rumors appreciated!  Mark
"

Keiora(as the locals say)
There is no special intolerance for Americans, the Kiwis treat every one
with equal disdain! No, only joking, the majority of kiwis are friendly
towards just about every one apart from members of visiting sports teams
on the field of play (but make up for it in the bar after the game!)
I cant compare to the situation in the US, I arrived here from the UK
about 4 1/2 years ago and have been a LR owner for 4years.
There are quite a lot of Series Land Rovers over here(but not as many as
the UK) The most common is the S2 and 2a, with S1 and S3 in about equal,
but smaller, numbers. Sadly, the most common 4WD is now the diesel
powered T#y*t@ Hilux ute(pickup), usually fitted with a flat deck(the
farmers choice!), mainly due to a huge price advantage. The decline of
Land Rover over here is closely linked to the arrival of the Japanese
machinery. FJ 40? Land Cruisers and the tiny Suzuki SJ range are popular
choices amongst the 'hard' off roaders. The luxury 4WD market is
dominated by Japanese used Imports of all types and sizes. All is not
lost though, as there are a large number of Discoveries (some of which
are ex Japan) and a slightly smaller number of Range Rovers around
(especially in the Auckland and Hamilton areas of the North Island)
There are a few 90 and 110 models around, but they are not that common.
Amongst the 'hard off roader' fraternity, the FJ Land Cruiser is
considered to be the 'real mans' 4WD, with the Land Rover regarded as
very capable but under powered and rather fragile in the transmission
department. Engine transplants are very common, with the six cylinder
Holden (GM Australia) being a very popular choice. (cost to rebuild a
Rover motor is around NZ$2000, a good used Holden motor can be had for
about $500) Parts prices are not cheap (reading the ads in LRO or LRW
can induce tears in the strongest of men) Typically prices seem to be
between 2 and 4 times UK. If you can wait, it is often cheaper to import
your self from the UK. There are a number of specialist wreckers as well
as the small adds in the local (Auckland area) 'Trade and Exchange'
paper. Also knowing who to ask can often turn up an unexpected parts
source. So most used parts are easily available, although not always at
the price you want to pay. Prices for vehicles aren't to bad. A halfway
decent SWB2a can be had for around NZ$4000. 90's start at around
NZ$20,000. A parts car can be yours for anything from 'take it away' to
$1500+ (but these are usually acquired by 'word of mouth' it would
seem). A new D90 Station Wagon (diesel only )is about $55,000. Used
discos are around $35-40,000 upwards, new around $70,000. By comparison
a new J*#p W@ngl#r is yours for a bit less than $36,000 and the Hilux
ute is $40,000.
There are lots of 4wd Clubs open to all makes, and a couple of Land
Rover clubs as well. Plenty of off roading opportunities as well,
ranging from tracks that the 'real' camel trophy would reject as
'impassable' to gentle drives along a beach or through a farm.
There are no emissions tests as such, and the only obstacle to old
vehicles(once you manage to get through the bureaucratic mess of
importing obtaining a compliance certificate, and registration) is the
six monthly WOF (warrant of fitness). Compared to the UK MOT test, this
is a joke. As long as there is some evidence of a tread pattern having
once been present on your tyres, the lights work, the tester can drive
once round the block, apply the brakes and return to the garage with out
having to change his underwear, you pass. Oh, you might also fail if he
is unable to see the garage through the smoke screen coming out the
exhaust pipe or if he can see the road through certain parts of the body
work. Currently, there is talk of making the test tougher, what ever
that means. Left hand drive vehicles are a problem to import, it can be
done, but it is more difficult (even more bureaucracy) Usually there is
duty and tax to pay on imports, but if you are a newly arriving
immigrant you may be exempt, depending on yet more bureaucracy. There
are 2 grades of petrol, 91 octane, (92cents/litre) and 96 octane (97
cents/litre), both unleaded. If your motor needs leaded fuel(like around
60% of petrol engined vehicles still on the road ), then an additive is
available which you squirt into your tank. Diesel is currently about 55
cents/litre, and is very popular. With diesel you have to pay 'road user
charges', which is a sticker costing about NZ$80 for 5000 km for
cars/light trucks. Heavier vehicles pay more. This is in addition to the
annual registration fee.
Any inaccuracies are entirely due to my confused memory. Hope this is
useful

Richard 1973 S3 SWB (with Holden 202 motor)
Pukekohe (50 km from Auckland), New Zealand

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:38:19 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Engine usage

>From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
 >Forgive my lack of British car knowledge, but did any other cars ever use
the Rover 2.25 petrol block or head? Thanks,

 Yes, the block was used in a version of the London Taxi which was fitted
with the LR diesel. the diesel  engine was also used for a time in one of
the Freight Rover vans, the petrol and diesel blocks are the same.
 Not aware of the use of the complete petrol engine, fuel efficinecy is so
poor nobody in Eurpoe would buy them.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:40:56 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Metric threads

Mike Fredete asks for info on metric threads.
 The pitch refered to in the metric thread data is just that, the pitch, i.e
2 = 2 mm from one thread to the next ( approx 12. 5 threads per inch ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:38:48 -0500
From: Clay Cunniff <clayton@worldpath.net>
Subject: TR8 engine swap

I have nearly completed the restoration of my 61 II/IIA? 88 sw. I like
everything about it except the lack of power. So - I am now rebuilding a
Triumph TR8 engine to replace the 2.25. - so American!
The swap is not the problem - but I have read of drivetrain damage from
leadfoot-itus.
What will fail? Can I replace propshafts/axles with beefier stuff and be
safe? or is the entire drivetrain at risk? I plan on limiting my racing
to funny cars (: > . I have machine shop / foundry resources to exploit.

Anybody  witnessed the damage from one of these swaps?

Thanx,
Clay Cunniff, New Hampshire, USA
4 wheel - 61 88" trop sw - formerly known as 'BELCH'
tire on bonnet and no problem with RR radio codes
2wheel - Triumph Bonneville 'TT Special'

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:09:23 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Driveline bolts

Todd Wilson wrote:

>      Does anyone know the size of the flange bolts for the front
> driveline
>      of a IIA?

>From parts book:
3/8 UNF x 1 1/8 bolt  PN 509045
3/8 UNF Self-locking nut PN 509751

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:12:11 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: TR8 engine swap

Clay Cunniff wrote:
> I have nearly completed the restoration of my 61 II/IIA? 88 sw. I like
> everything about it except the lack of power. So - I am now rebuilding a
> Triumph TR8 engine to replace the 2.25. - so American!
> The swap is not the problem - but I have read of drivetrain damage from
> leadfoot-itus.
> What will fail? Can I replace propshafts/axles with beefier stuff and be
> safe? or is the entire drivetrain at risk? I plan on limiting my racing
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Thanx,
> Clay Cunniff, New Hampshire, USA
 It is the axle 1/2 shafts that will be at the biggest risk. The tranny
should stand up if driven sensibly and you don't use big tires ie. the
small tires will spin and act as a safety valve for the extra power.
There is an article on beefing diffs and axles in the Dec issue of LRO
magazine.You could install a Salisbury axle I believe that Seth at
British Bulldog has a supply of these and Quoted me a decent price.
      John and Muddy (who does have a Salisbury)

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:53:16 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Somethings still loose!
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Ron Beckett wrote:
> Adrian Redmond wrote:
> >At last - after 18 months on this list, I have finally discovered
> what
> >OVLR means -
> Well, don't keep the rest of us in suspense!  What does it mean?

I wrote a posting a couple of days ago about a rattling noise from the
clutch/flywheel/startermotor region, which is only present during start
- i.e. when the starter motor is running. Once that car is started,
everything sounds fine, but under start it sounds like a bag o' bolts.

we're talking SIII diesel, 1979 with the later version starter motor and
solenoid set-up.

Yesterday I pulled the starter motor off, stripped, dismantled and
cleaned everything. No worn armature or worn brushes, solenoid was
greasy (is now pristine). I even gave it a coat of paint whilst I had it
out.

I have calibrated the eccentric cam which pivots the bendix-actuator to
the solenoid, adjusting the travel of the bendix gear according to the
manual.

I have tested the solenoid on the bench, and it works fine. I have also
tested the starter motor, and it runs fine. I found no rattling noises
or intermittent behaviour on the bench.

I have remounted the starter-motor, but the rattling noise is still
there - still only under startup.

Logic says that if it's only under start, and it's coming from that
region, then it must be the startermotor or solenoid.

Logic adds that if these units are services and checked and work on the
bench, it must be something else.

Conjecture leads me to suppose, that if locig 1 and 2 do not apply,
there must be something which I have missed?

Other theories welcome from anyone!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Deezil bob <Deezilbob@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:52:10 EST
Subject: chassis  swap

 You can use a Series 2a frame to replace a Series 3, but you will have to cut
out a portion of the cross member that goes beneath the  transmission, where
the clutch slave cylinder is located on the Series 3, not too hard, a sawsall
with a bi-metal blade will do the trick in short order. Did one about 4 years
ago... ..good luck

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:12:33 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Somethings still loose!

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --------------DC1FB93BB39E46E0ECFF4A05
> Ron Beckett wrote:
> > Adrian Redmond wrote:
> > >At last - after 18 months on this list, I have finally discovered
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 46 lines)]
> there must be something which I have missed?
> Other theories welcome from anyone!

Adrian, is it possible that the starter drive is slipping on the ring
gear? When this happens it makes some very unpleasant noises and it
isn't long before it won't engage at all. I hope for your sake that it
isn't  because the flywheel has to come off to replace the ring gear.
     John and Muddy

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From: Deezil bob <Deezilbob@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:44:09 EST
Subject: john cranfield and muddy

hey john, been a while, just came across some photos of muddy up at A.B. a few
years back. we were off road and you were going up a rather challenging hill.
i think you'll remember as you managed to snap a front prop-shaft! out comes
an extra that you had and you had it replaced in short order. later on that
day 7 of us headed off on a side trail that mike liodice said we get through
and some fella with a beautiful orange 88 snapped his frame (wonder what
happened to him?) if you would like some copies e-mail me direct with an
address and i'll send them,...... regards

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From: "RYDER, Tom" <rydert@npdc.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: NewZealandExperiences?
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:43:18 +1300

Hello Mark.
I've been sprung!
I am a New Zealand subscriber to the list and have been just sitting
quietly observing on and
off for about 18 months.
I have owned a landrover for about 8 years now and currently use a 107"
as my daily driver.
New Zealand was always a Landrover stronghold due to nature of the
terrain and the fact
that farming was by far the most important sector of our economy. Things
change though
and the arrival of japanese 4x4s in the mid seventies coupled with the
unrealistic pricing of
the Landrover product saw its popularity decrease substantially. They
are becoming even rarer due
to the proliferation of used imports. The importation of used vehicles
from Japan is very easy and they arrive
by the shipload. 4x4s are very popular at the moment (diesels in
particular).
In provincial areas the series vehicles are still regarded as a work
tool and not the domain of enthusiasts.
Consequently they are driven until they stop (usually from a terminal
illness) and then left.
There are still areas where they are a common site sitting in paddocks
and behind sheds etc.
New parts tend to be very expensive, due mostly to the cost of
freighting items to this small corner
of the globe. However it is usually easy enough to find servicable
second hand parts although series
1 parts are becoming increasingly rare.
As for registering an older car, once they become 40 years old, the fee
is less than half that for
other vehicles. It seems to be an incentive to keep some of our motoring
history alive.

Tom Ryder
55 107
57 88

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	gehl@at.crane.navy.mil [SMTP:gehl@at.crane.navy.mil]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:15 AM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	NewZealandExperiences?

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> of taxes in general?  Tolerance or disdain for Americans? 
> All comments/experiences/rumors appreciated!  Mark

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:30:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: LRNA policy?  also, used Disco price

At 04:45 PM 12/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>The new lease program:
>33 months, $2995 down payment, $450/month.  $0 security deposit, $0
>scehuled maintenance.
>purchase option at maturity $23,533.
 
33*450=14850
  2995
+14850
+23533
------
 41378 Total cost to purchase.
======

Leases are rarely a good deal if you plan on keeping the leased item.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:40:06 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Somethings still loose!
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john cranfield wrote:

There were a few marks on the teeth of the flywheel, but nothing which I
would term serious - just a few spots which were a bit shinier - so
despite the problem which this could herald - please elaborate on the
ring gear story... Is the ring gear a separate part? I thought the teeth
were a part of the flywheel (they were last time I had the flywheel off
to check the rear seal...

OH - looks like the gearbox might have to be pulled yet again!!!
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:40:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Paul Quin wrote:

> One of the big grieves of the Canadian Army over the last couple of
> decades has been the purchase of their Iltus general purpose (Jeep)
> ...so apparently now the army is looking at replacing them.  The two

	Two lots of them have appeared at Crown Assets Disposal in Ottawa
already...  Give PWGSC a ring on availability.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:42:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Thomas Spoto wrote:

> off memory several years old. I always wondered when they would start
> replacing them and I might have a chance to get one. 

	They are being sold as "parts".  Licensing it might be
interesting.  They are going for under Cdn3k I understand on average.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

	PS They are rubbish...

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:59:57 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Somethings still loose!

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Is the ring gear a separate part? I thought the teeth
> were a part of the flywheel (they were last time I had the flywheel
> off
> to check the rear seal...

The ring gear is a large ring with teeth on the outside. It is shrunk
around the outside of the flywheel, and might appear to be part of the
flywheel.

The gearbox does need to be pulled so that the flywheel can be removed
and laid horizontally. Ring gear replacement on the flywheel is
straightforward if you have use of an oven. The old ring gear is removed
by partially drilling a hole through the gear between teeth without
touching the flywheel, and the then striking with a chisel. The new ring
gear is heated in the oven to 220C / 425F so that it expands. Then it is
dropped in place, and allowed to slowly cool and shrink around the
flywheel.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:06:21 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Somethings still loose!

> Ring gear replacement on the flywheel is
> straightforward if you have use of an oven....The new ring
> gear is heated in the oven to 220C / 425F so that it expands.

Clarification: A kitchen oven is acceptable.

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From: CBeireis <CBeireis@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:45:43 EST
Subject: Re: (Rover for sale in Houston)

where is it located- i'm in the katy area and would be interested if price is
right

christopher beireis
'88 RR
'80 IH Scout II
'72 Jag XJ6 Series 1

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Religious Content/Land-Rover Content

       Ten Commandments of the Land-Rover Owner

I      Thou shalt not park thy Land-Rover indoors.

II     Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's workshop, nor his tools, nor his
manuals. Coveting his Land-Rover will be forgiven.

III    Thou shalt not love thy Land-Rover more than thy wife; as much, but
not            more.

IV    Thou shalt not read shop manuals on company time, lest the company
make it impossible to continue to purchase parts for thy Land-Rover.

V     Thou shalt not despise thy neighbor's J**p, nor his Toy*ta,  nor even
his             Expl*rer. Thou may need to be winched one day.

VI    Thou shalt not let thy daughters nor thy sons marry during the holy
days of          Billings nor Downeast, nor any large pilgrimage of the
followers of the faith.

VII    Thou shalt not deceive thy spouse into thinking that thou art taking
her for           a romantic Sunday drive, when, indeed, thou art going to
look for another           Land-Rover.

VIII   Thou shalt not but thy spouse a hi-lift jack for Christmas

IX      Thou shalt not tell thy spouse the entire cost of thy latest
restoration or                repair project, at least not all at the same time.

X       Thou shalt not promise thy spouse her own Land-Rover, intending it
to be           your own.

     * Parts of the above were *borrowed* without permission from The
Classic Car Gift Shop, Kennebunkport, maine, and adapted for use above.

                                  Happy Holidays,   Ruthrfrd@borg.com  

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:40:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Dixon,

I've been in contact with someone who just recently bought one. Price I 
think was CDN$2400. Licensed for the road. Now can I bring one into the 
States? Possibly easier than a Lada. Oh as a side line after people meet 
me they generally quote the poem about marching to the beat of a diferent 
drummer.

Tom Spoto

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Sandra Harris wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Thomas Spoto wrote:
> > off memory several years old. I always wondered when they would start
> > replacing them and I might have a chance to get one. 

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> 	Dixon
> 	PS They are rubbish...

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:47:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: (Rover for sale in Houston)

Head into (read east) Houston on Westheimer. Go past the Galleria. 
Start paying attention to the car lots and gas stations on your left. 
It's sitting towards the back of the lot if it hasn't moved since last 
Thursday. The lot is on the east side of the cross street on a corner.

Tom Spoto

Who'd like his friend from England to buy it so she could deliver it to 
WA when she goes back to England in a year.

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, CBeireis wrote:

> where is it located- i'm in the katy area and would be interested if price is
> right
> christopher beireis

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> '80 IH Scout II
> '72 Jag XJ6 Series 1

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From: "Jon Dunster, Head of Computer Support Servic" <jond@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:28:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Smoking 2.5D 90, paste like engine oil

Thanks to all those who sent messages with advice about my 2.5D 90 
and its 9000 a day habit.

The upshot of it was that I took it to a Diesel engine workshop 
(Powerdrive in Portsmouth, UK) and had the injectors replaced.  They 
were demonstrated to me on a rig and were sending out thick jets 
rather than atomising.

With the injectors changed it is a little more difficult to start, 
smokes on startup, but doesn't smoke at all on load or idle.

However, in true 'murphys law' fashion, a week after fixing that the 
oil pump seized causing the top end to seize killing all the valve 
gear, push rods, timing belt etc etc !

When the engine was repaired the guy took the sump plug out and no 
oil poured forth.  There was an oil level, but it wouldn't come out.  
After removing the sump he found the cause of the oil pump seizure 
and disaster to be where the engine oil (Commer Eurodiesel) had gone 
into a deep black sludge that barely moved.

The questions...  Has anyone experienced this kind of problem ?  What 
could cause the engine oil to go so bad (sooting up ? Over fuelling 
?)

Cheers for any help

(please CC any reply to jond@chichester.ac.uk, thanks)
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Jon Dunster
Head of Computer Support Services
jond@chichester.ac.uk
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