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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:16:11 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: SNOWBALLS!!

adrian_hyde@playground.sun.com wrote:
> hit.
>                                 snowballsnowball
>                             snowballsnowballsnowball
>                        snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballs
>                     snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowball

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>      You are now involved in an e-mail snowball fight
>      ENJOY!!

Incoming !!!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:25:43 +0000
Subject: Re: SNOWBALLS!!

>>      It's the first snowball fight of the season.  Consider yourself
>> hit.
>Incoming !!!
Quack!

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Subject: BFG web adress / email ?
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:25:56 +0100

> Hello all,
>
> I=B4am looking for a web / email adress of BF Gooderich ?
>
> thanks
>
> Oli

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:43:29 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Mathilda's 2nd Gear Problem Solved?

Frank, the situation you describe is common to Series II trannys as
there 
is no syncro in 1st and 2nd gears. When the oil warms up the gears will
continue to rotate after you push the clutch in. You are doing the right
thing by double clutching, perhaps your technique needs amending.
   John and Muddy (who now has a series III tranny)FHYap wrote:
> > Well, I finally got some time to get the seat box out and start
> > looking at Mathilda's SIIA gearbox to find the 2nd gear problem.
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
> > driving back in Oct.]
> > I inspected everything in place and all the gears seemed fine
> Jeremy,

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> anyone have any idea as to what is going on?
> Frank

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:46:19 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: BFG web adress / email ?

West wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > IŽam looking for a web / email adress of BF Gooderich ?
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> > thanks
> > Oli

 try <http://www.uniroyalgoodrich.com>

        John and Muddy (Who would like a set of BFG mudterrain tires)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:51:55 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: BFG web adress / email ?

john cranfield wrote:
> West wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > IŽam looking for a web / email adress of BF Gooderich ?
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> > > thanks
> > > Oli

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>  try <http://www.uniroyalgoodrich.com>
>         John and Muddy (Who would like a set of BFG mudterrain tires)
That doesn't work today sorry.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:21:44 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: inexpensive tire source

Granville Pool wrote:
> Matt,
> >I found a site that sells tires for restoration and mil.surplus
> >vehicles, I called them once about 7.5*16s and they were in the $60
> >range new ndt tube type...
> I think you missed my point.  I want a Radial 7.50x16 which is why I
> said 7.50R16 not 7.50x16.  Thanks for the thought, all the same!

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> said 7.50R16 not 7.50x16.  Thanks for the thought, all the same!
> Granny

I realize that now but...
they carry radials too... not just bias ply, they have just about
everythin including rarer and discontinued brands, wallace wade might
still be worth looking into...  
matt

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 8:19:04 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Items for sale

Hi all,
Winch:
Husky 8500lb Superwinch. Includes: HD roller fairlead, hand remote, 90' of 
heavy 9mm cable, manual and box.
Excellent condition. $550.

Lights:
1 pr. Hella 3000 55W fog lights. Includes Mounting hdw, stone shields, in 
original boxes.
Excellent condition. $150.

If interested please post back direct to me.
Sorry for the x-post.
Cheers,
Barnett

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 08:42:18 EST
Subject: Re: NPR

>Just for the record  NPR is National Public Radio. 
>I saw the NPR and immediately thought "Noise Power Ratio".  The KPFDM has
>me wondering. 

Actually it's KMFDM, and it stands for "Kill Mother Fu*kin' Depeche Mode"

Now you know.

Cheers
Dave "Pop Culture Encyclopedia" B.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:59:32 -0500
From: Chris Stevens <chris_stevens@dc.sba.com>
Subject: Re: Sputtering Along

Hi all,

For wanna be future gas tank replacer, I solved the short pick-up tube
problem in the new gas tank by carefully removing the screen with a
razor blade; hack sawing off about half and inch; then re-applying the
screen and securing it with a small hose clamp. 

Thanks to all for the suggestions.

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIa 88" SW

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 08:53:02 EST
Subject: Re: replace SIII chassis with SII chassis? 

>>Is It possible to use a SII chassis for a SIII '88 frameover.

Yup. I did it last summer actually. You do have to cut away a little of the 
gusset on the center x-member to make way for the sIII slave cylinder. Also the 
front mounts of the rear body tub are over a little bit, so you have to drill 
new holes.

later
DaveB

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From: Ralph.Pyne@ps.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:00:00 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: NPR

     _
     
>Just for the record  NPR is National Public Radio.
>I saw the NPR and immediately thought "Noise Power Ratio".  The KPFDM has 
>me wondering.
Actually it's KMFDM, and it stands for "Kill Mother Fu*kin' Depeche Mode"
     
     >>I hate to be sad, but KMFDM actually stands for Kein Mehrheit fur 
     die mitleid, which loosely translated from the German means no pity 
     for the majority. The above is a common misnoma. I'm suprised to see 
     so many industrial fans on the list, good news :-). I tend to listen 
     to house in the 101 as it is the best music to drown out the noise. 
     
     so now you know,
     
     Ralph (sad music pedant) P.
     
Now you know.
     
Cheers
Dave "Pop Culture Encyclopedia" B.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:25:52 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: replace SIII chassis with SII chassis?

>Is It possible to use a SII chassis for a SIII '88 frameover.
>Is this a straight fit?
>Regards,

Yes it is "almost" as straight fit. There are a few areas that you'll have
to modify, but overall the chassis is basically the same. Items that are
different that come to mind are, hand brake pivot mount is different SII to
SIII. SIII's had another set of mounts that were used for the seat belts
behind the seat box, those won't be there on a SII chassis, nothing that
you couldn't overcome though.
Have a great day.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:36:11 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Music???

I am truly puzzled as to how it is possible to "drown out " the various 
noises that batter ones ear drums when driving your Favourite Beast by
adding to the cacophony with what ever might be your taste in music.
  While we are at it does anyone know the difference between Rap and
Hiphop?
      John and Muddy (who makes enough noise for anyone's ears)

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Date: 15 Dec 1997 09:38:41 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re- Roof Height

Matt wrote:

could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the roof
is in the rear? I just put the body on mine last night and its measures
6'8" and looks like a grasshopper or something... I think its about 
three inches too tall because of my new springs/military shackles and
overload shocks but I need a height to use as a reference.

Matt:  I replaced my springs last summer and had the same reaction.  The car
barely fit in 
garage.  It has since  "settled" about one inch.  Mine's about 6'4" at the
rear now (but I
have 15" tires so yours may be taller).

Jeff

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:49:05 -0500
Subject: Diff Rap/HipHop

The only real difference I can say for sure (in my opinion) is that one
s*cks and the other REALLY S*CKS.   You decide which one goes in what
order.  ( as you can tell i'm not very fond of either)

Chris
91 RR County

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:52:27 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Re- Roof Height

> barely fit in
> garage.  It has since  "settled" about one inch.  Mine's about 6'4" at the
> rear now (but I
> have 15" tires so yours may be taller).
> Jeff

mine have 15 inch tires too, and its still 6'8", I thinkthe overload
spring shocks are responsible, anyway i think I'll live with it until I
can aford some new shocks this spring.

still the way the body and frame are so high over the rear axles it
looks VERY strange, 500lbs load barely moved it down 1/2"! 
matt

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Fuel Pick-Up Tubes and Socks
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:00:00 -0500

Four years ago at the Down East I sufferred a fuel blockage problem due
to mistakenly using silicone on the fuel gauge sender. This resulted in
large globs of disgusting orange silicone "snot" which plugged the pick
up tube and fuel pump. The screen on the pick-up tube was split and
ineffective. A solution was provided by Ted Howard of Warren, who set me
up with a sheet of fine mesh brass, some solder and a propane torch. The
brass mesh (used on marine installations, where it is fine enough to
stop water while letting gas through) was cut and folded into a sock
which was then sealed along the edges and soldered to the pick-up tube.
No fuel problems from debris since. Check out your local marine chandler
for suitable material.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:23:42 -0500
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@citenet.net>
Subject: New springs, shocks, frame.

I think I've got the same problem someone else on the list had. But
since I wasn't there yet I didn't pay enough attention. I can't get my
new shocks to reach the new galvanised frame. Springs are new, and there
is no engine in yet nor is the body on. So, not to start another thread,
can whoever figured out what was wrong give me a dingle via email
direct? Sure don't want to putt around with the shocks fully extended!

Dean Meyer

1964 Morris Mini Minor Traveller "Wanna see my woody?" - (Having the big
snooze)
1966 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III "The moneypit from Vegas" - (Sealed in an
Andy Warhol time capsule and buried in the yard)
1967 Austin-Healey Sprite MK III "The big block" - (95 BHP Swiftune
Sports Tourer from Longs Corner Farm is here!)
1974 Land Rover Series III 88" "Kinabalu" - (It's a rolling chassis!)

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:53:06 -0500
Subject: Re: NPR

That is exactly right.  I do not know what moron came up with the
depeche mode deal, but it is completely wrong.

Ralph.Pyne@ps.net wrote:

>      _
> >Just for the record  NPR is National Public Radio.
> >I saw the NPR and immediately thought "Noise Power Ratio".  The KPFDM
> has
> >me wondering.
> Actually it's KMFDM, and it stands for "Kill Mother Fu*kin' Depeche
> Mode"
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> Cheers
> Dave "Pop Culture Encyclopedia" B.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 10:53:01 EST
Subject: Re: New springs, shocks, frame.

> I can't get my
>new shocks to reach the new galvanised frame. Springs are new, and there
>is no engine in yet nor is the body on.

no worries, mate. you wont need those shocks for a while. They'll go one 
once everythings in and the body's on.

later
Dave

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 10:55:19 EST
Subject: Re[2]: replace SIII chassis with SII chassis?

> SIII's had another set of mounts that were used for the seat belts
>behind the seat box, those won't be there on a SII chassis,

seen this on a '74, not on my '72 though. Anyone know why this was done? perhaps
the mountings for the belts there weren't quite enough without the reinforcement
to the frame? 

daveb.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:24:26 -0500
From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: help, I'm FREEZING

my 25 year old smith's heater fan just took a crap and I'm freezing in this
buffalo winter.  does anybody know either:

	1.	other fans (w/part #'s) that will fit in fan housing.  gm or ford?

	2.	other heater fan units that will fit in place of smiths blower unit.
(please read that "easily obtainable at local junkyard or available at
local auto parts store")

i have a series III smith's heater fan unit.  i have bypassed all other
fault possibilities and tried leads to the battery. the motor works fine
for a minute or two, then slowly comes to a halt where it remains.

thanks in advance,

rick

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 11:13:23 EST
Subject: Re[2]: NPR

>That is exactly right.  I do not know what moron came up with the
>depeche mode deal, but it is completely wrong.

oh well, it seemed like a good idea anyway...

later
Dave "pop culture know it all" B

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:20:26 -0500
Subject: Depeche Mode

Touchy, Touchy aren't we!!  It was just a joke I'm sure!!

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:24:40 -0500
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

You are probably right.  I just get a little upset when someone says
that one group or another is the bad while their group is the good.
Personally, I love all 4x4's.  However.  I think that, at least in the
us, a Land Rover is the only new 4x4 to buy.  Hell, I have never had a
truck to give me so much trouble that I still love so much.  I think
rovers are like children.  I know that if I had a Jeep with the same
problems I would have gotten rid of it long ago.

William & Beast

Uncle Roger wrote:

> At 08:00 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >You know, I am sorry but this realy bothers me.  I complete aggree
> with
> >what you are saying and then you insert 'rover owners'.  This is a
> BIG
> >problem in my eyes.  I read in a recent mag that a bunch of jeepers
> and
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> San Francisco, California
> http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:25:33 -0500
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

Hell, I would rather not give you the benifit of the doubt so that we
can argue about it :")

Uncle Roger wrote:

> At 07:52 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >I agree with this post much more than the last :")
> Contrary to popular opinion, I *am* human, and sometimes, for whatever
> reason, (tired, sick, boss looking over shoulder, working with idiots,
> too
> much/not enough "liquid" in my diet, etc.) I don't always say things

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> San Francisco, California
> http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:43:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode

I am sorry, that did sound a bit snappy.  I just had an argument with
this 'lady' I work with.  Mis place aggression and all.  Sorry...

Chris Dillard wrote:

> Touchy, Touchy aren't we!!  It was just a joke I'm sure!!

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 11:44:43 EST
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode

>>Touchy, Touchy aren't we!!  It was just a joke I'm sure!!

no, we REALLY want to kill depeche mode
but KMFDM is good for listening to in LR's. 
Not that I have.
All my KMFDM on tape has bitten the dust

later

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:04:08 -0500
Subject: 82,500 mile check-up

Sorry to post this on both lists but I want to reach as many people as
possible.  My wife is nagging me about taking my 91 RR in for it's 82,500
mile scheduled check-up.  I am just curious as to what the general
consensus is concerning this check-up. Is it a major check-up? Can my home
mechanic do it?  Or should I fore-go it and just change the oil? Or should
I exchange my wife for the Check-up? (Just kidding !! It was a joke!!) She
may be reading this.  Any info is helpful. You can e-mail me direct if you
like.

Chris
91RR County
64 SER IIA 88 (hope ful x-mas present)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:12:03 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: help, I'm FREEZING

richard a. nicotra wrote:
> my 25 year old smith's heater fan just took a crap and I'm freezing in this
> buffalo winter.  does anybody know either:
>         1.      other fans (w/part #'s) that will fit in fan housing.  gm or ford?
>         2.      other heater fan units that will fit in place of smiths blower unit.
> (please read that "easily obtainable at local junkyard or available at

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> thanks in advance,
> rick
Rick, you,re in luck a motor and fan cage from a late 80s Chevy Cavlier
 will go in the smiths housing and be a whole lot more efficient as it
will fit the case more closely. It may not center exactly but that won't
matter. Ive been use just this setup for years in spite of having a good
smiths unit on the shelf.
    John and Muddy (Who things warm)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:15:56 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode

DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote:
> I am sorry, that did sound a bit snappy.  I just had an argument with
> this 'lady' I work with.  Mis place aggression and all.  Sorry...

 Or would this be  Ms placed aggression to be perfectly PC?
      John and Muddy ( who saves aggression for the tires) or would that
be aggressiveness?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:21:17 -0800
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: Question Re: RR radio codes

Michael answers Michael...

> LRNA will issue the security code for the radio if you bring the
> RR in to the dealer.  I believe they track them by the VIN number
> or the serial number on the radio itself.

In every case, the radio has been removed from the vehicle.  I have the VIN
for one of the stereos and will contact my dealer and see what happens.

I guess I could drive MY range rover to the dealer with the other stereo in
it and say "look, this came out of my range rover" or some BS like that.

We'll see.

Thanks for all the replys, my mail has been jammed for the past 2 days so
hence the delay in replying.

Michael Slade
'90 RR
Portland, OR

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mathilda's 2nd Gear Problem Solved?
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:17:38 -0800

> Frank, the situation you describe is common to Series II trannys as
> there 
> is no syncro in 1st and 2nd gears. When the oil warms up the gears will
> continue to rotate after you push the clutch in. You are doing the right
> thing by double clutching, perhaps your technique needs amending.

I suppose it's not too late to teach an old dog new tricks .. I've been
doing it (double-clutching) for the past 30 years (learned to drive in a
'59 bug).  But, I didn't have any such problems with the S1 that I had been
using as my daily driver over the last year.  And the S1 doesn't have
syncho either.  Is this something particular to the SII transmission?

Frank

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:24:53 -0800
From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Subject: Bryan Adams

Bryan Adams drives a 100" hybrid not a D90.  It has a tuned 200TDI,
difflocks, big 15" tyres and a kicking sound system.  That was the
vehicle on the CD cover.  You can read a test of it in the Defender Gold
Portfolio published by Brooklands.  And it was the 1500000 vehicle he
drove off the line, a green D90 SV.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:31:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Bryan Adams

>And it was the 1500000 vehicle he
>drove off the line, a green D90 SV.

Must have kept him busy, driving 1,500,000 vehicles off the production
line! :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk on 12/16/97 01:24:53 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Bryan Adams

Bryan Adams drives a 100" hybrid not a D90.  It has a tuned 200TDI,
difflocks, big 15" tyres and a kicking sound system.  That was the
vehicle on the CD cover.  You can read a test of it in the Defender Gold
Portfolio published by Brooklands.  And it was the 1500000 vehicle he
drove off the line, a green D90 SV.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:37:48 -0800
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

The plot thickens...

I just confirmed that my local dealer can indeed provide stero codes based
on several different numbers.  VIN, serial # from stereo, and stereo code
(I think it's on a sticker on the top) which is different from the 'secret'
code.

I guess knowing the parts manager personally helps a bit.

So, now the question is price.  The place here in portland that has one for
a 90 is quoting me $250 which seems steep for a used stereo.

I know that the LR unit goes for between 600-1000, so don't tell me for 250
I'm getting a deal.

I was thinking around 150, but maybe I'm a dreamer.

Does anyone have the # for AAA wrecking in Texas?  They're bound to have
several in stock and a more realistic idea of what they're worth.  Then
again, maybe they'll quote me 400 bucks.  Who knows, it's worth a shot.

Thanks again for all the help.  I'll keep everyone posted.

Michael

P.S.  Are all Range Rover owners as cheap as I am?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:58:44 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

>Does anyone have the # for AAA wrecking in Texas?  They're bound to have
>several in stock and a more realistic idea of what they're worth.  Then
>again, maybe they'll quote me 400 bucks.  Who knows, it's worth a shot.

AAA's number is 817-831-0946
>P.S.  Are all Range Rover owners as cheap as I am?
>several in stock and a more realistic idea of what they're worth.  Then

I think so. I blew my trans. oil cooler in ECR 1 at an event last weekend.
525. from the dealership just for the part. Looks like it gets an
aftermarket one. ;-)
Have a great day!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Sputtering Along
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:22:09 -0500

>Chris, i think it was John Tackley who found some fuel filters or something
>that
>made a good replacement for the pickup tube screen, that would enable you to 
>shorten yours (pickup tube that is) and then replace the screen. John?
>later
>DaveB

Gee, Dave, I was having such a good nap, YAWNNNN..........
Yup, go to your local auto paint supplier.  Ask them where the paint gun
pickup tube strainer screens are.  Pick one that will fit your pickup
tube.  Buy a spare or 2.

L8r, snorrrrrrre....................

John Tackley
>Richmond, VA

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:36:41 -0800
From: Blair Gillespie <BlairG@fix.net>
Subject: Re: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

Good morning,
	With all these subject headers regarding stereo codes I didn't pay
attention because I do not have the stock stereo in my RR.So I might of
missed something.
	I guess my question is why anybody would go to the time and spend the
money on OEM stereo equipment? The first thing I did was to replace the
stereo in my RR with a head ( removable face )unit that accepted a changer.
I then saved up the money to buy the changer a few months later.
	Even if you did not want a cd system and wanted an am/fm cass. only you
would be able to find other brands that are higher quality and are easier
and cheaper to repair. 
	Mine is a Pioneer AM/FM Cassette with a six disk changer. I had the same
setup in my last SIII and it worked great.
Rover On,
Blair
At 09:37 AM 12/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>So, now the question is price.  The place here in portland that has one for
>a 90 is quoting me $250 which seems steep for a used stereo.
>I know that the LR unit goes for between 600-1000, so don't tell me for 250
>I'm getting a deal.
>I was thinking around 150, but maybe I'm a dreamer.

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>I'm getting a deal.
>I was thinking around 150, but maybe I'm a dreamer.

Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo 
California USA

1988 Range Rover
1972 SIII 88
1967 HD FLH
1940 Ford Pick Up

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From: "Stephen C. Miler, Jr." <bomilcar@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:38:43 -0600

Mike:
I have missed the first part of this radio conversation, but I just pulled
my radio out of my 88 RR and put in some old German radio whose name I could
not come close to spelling.  I put it some where on the used parts shelf but
I bet I can did it up.  The code would come from my vin number and that
would be easy to find.  Let me know if you are interested
Steve Miller
Series III 72 Original Owner
88 RR
Houston Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 11:36 AM
Subject: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

>The plot thickens...
>I just confirmed that my local dealer can indeed provide stero codes based
>on several different numbers.  VIN, serial # from stereo, and stereo code
>(I think it's on a sticker on the top) which is different from the 'secret'

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>Michael
>P.S.  Are all Range Rover owners as cheap as I am?

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 13:43:06 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Sputtering Along

>>L8r, snorrrrrrre....................

yes, the list is pretty boring these days. too much crap about rovers and not 
enough guns, drugs, rock'n'roll, and perversion.

later
Dave B

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Ammeter
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:00:53 -0500

Herman, 
I gotta suggestion fer ya.  Don't burn yer truck to the ground!! (Please
Don't Ask...I nearly did puttin an ammeter in the SIII)
I suggest that you go to NAPA or local auto parts place and get 2 of the
biggest Fuseable Links they got.  Put one in line (splice it in series)
with the Ammeter supply wire(to solenoid) .  Splice the other one in
line with the return wire(rest-of-car-lead).  Locate them under the
bonnet in a convenient spot where you can get to them when they melt
away.  Steer clear of the fuel pump/fuel line (Imagine, if you will, the
result of a red hot glowing wire butted up against you plastic fuel
line...).  
...only the fuseable link will melt when (Not IF...) a dead 'Lucasshort'
occurs behind the dash somewheres, and not the wiring harness...

John Tackley
Richmond, Va

>So I bought an ammeter (new Lucas) to fit the 2 1/16" hole in my lower
>dash from PO.  Its instructions say to attach one lead to starter
>solenoid the other to the alternator (SIII).  Charlie @ RN says that
>this will only register charging current not draining.  Therefore, for
>the instrument to function properly I must get the brown push in wire
>that goes from the starter solenoid to the "rest of the car" (Charlie's
>words) attach it to the ammeter then go from the ammeter back to the
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>I'm new at this stuff, anyone got any ideas, comments, etc.
>Herman

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Canadian Military Defenders!?!
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:06:09 -0800

My girlfriend has just started taking her military 404's driving course
(she is an army reservist medic), quite a good  course that teaches them
to drive and maintain most non-tracked military vehicles right on up to
heavy trucks with air brakes.

As an interesting side effect, we spent about half an hour on Saturday
beside the still-disassembled Landy, playing the "what's this bit for"
game.  She had learned a lot in 8 hours of class!

One of the big grieves of the Canadian Army over the last couple of
decades has been the purchase of their Iltus general purpose (Jeep)
vehicles.  They have been found to be pretty much useless for anything
other than running to the corner store...

...so apparently now the army is looking at replacing them.  The two
vehicles that they are looking at are the Hummer (HUMVEE?) and the Land
Rover Defender!  Having military Defenders mucking about could help to
raise the profile of the civilian ones!?!  Has anybody else heard about
this?  I won't hold my breath as these decisions usually take the army
years to make...

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:12:34 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

> One of the big grieves of the Canadian Army over the last couple of
> decades has been the purchase of their Iltus general purpose (Jeep)
> vehicles.  They have been found to be pretty much useless for anything
> other than running to the corner store...
> Paul Quin
> Victoria, BC  Canada

isn't the Iltis a VW thing copy? I'm not even sure they are 4wd, the
original Kubelwagons weren't. in any case they're made by Bombadier
Logic or some such company that usually makes snowmobiles, I'm not
really surprised that they aren't satisfactory being more car than
truck.

but in any case they aren't jeeps, I think they replaced the m151 jeep
or the m38a1 jeep in canada, anyone know for sure?

matt

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:29:20 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: 84 Defender 110

Dear all,
Since we were talking about grey market 110's, and the fact we can't get
them in the US...
An add in Hemmings Motor News, December 97 issue, has a green 1984 D110 for
sale for 17,000. Don't know anythng about it, or the seller, but the price
sounded right for someone who might be interested.
Usual disclaimers
Have a great day

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Canadian Military Defenders!?!
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:25:26 -0800

Matt says:

isn't the Iltis a VW thing copy? I'm not even sure they are 4wd, the
original Kubelwagons weren't. in any case they're made by Bombadier
Logic or some such company that usually makes snowmobiles, I'm not
really surprised that they aren't satisfactory being more car than
truck.

That makes sense, they kind of look like a cross between a Jeep and an
Amphicar.

Paul.
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	matt [SMTP:nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu]
>Sent:	Monday, December 15, 1997 2:13 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

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>or the m38a1 jeep in canada, anyone know for sure?
>matt

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Filters
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:36:07 -0500

>Sandy, them's be fightin' words!

>This is what John found...and sent me one.  It fits *inside* the pickup tube 
>and I think could easily be blocked by debris.

I have been running mine that way since I sent you yours lasst summer.
No problems to date, and I have cleaned enough rust and other gunk out
of the sediment bowl and my clear glass fuel filter to to have easily
clogget it many times over.  Apparently the crud falls with gravity at
rest and does not clog the inverted cone screen.
Why not forward yo

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:42:24 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Subject: Spare on door / bonnet / roof

>> Paul Quin
>> I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
>> put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
>> opinions on this?
> eheite@dmv.com
> As to visibility,Baby's tires are pretty fat, but the spare on the hood is
> much narrower.
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> Baby's rear door latch would not function properly with the spare mounted,
> but after I put the middle hinge on, she has not complained.

Mine is in the 'wrong' position, which is in the middle of the door, but I 
appreciate the fact it does not foul the NATO hitch there.

It does obscure the door handle, but when the spare is screwed on tight, it _is_ 
a further security 'feature' :-)

I really hate the spare on the bonnet, which is why I decided to wear out the 
door hinges, I'd rather replace the hinge pins than the wings, as the bonnet was 
attempting to meet the fan in a warm embrace. 
(hole completely worn through in one wing ....)

Also, the visibility is much improved without it - saves running over Minis and 
Robin Reliants in the dark.

I don't fancy the roof slope mounting idea, it's as aerodynamic as a bus as it 
is, without a dirty great spare in the "airflow" (read "turbulence") !!!

Cheers

Paul.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:11:29 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Paul Quin wrote:
> My girlfriend has just started taking her military 404's driving course
> (she is an army reservist medic), quite a good  course that teaches them
> to drive and maintain most non-tracked military vehicles right on up to
> heavy trucks with air brakes.
> As an interesting side effect, we spent about half an hour on Saturday
> beside the still-disassembled Landy, playing the "what's this bit for"

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> Paul Quin
> Victoria, BC  Canada

My question is what are they going to do with the Iltis's? Do the CDF
auction them off, or what?

Tom Spoto

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:15:50 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Paul Quin wrote:
> Matt says:
> isn't the Iltis a VW thing copy? I'm not even sure they are 4wd, the
> original Kubelwagons weren't. in any case they're made by Bombadier
> Logic or some such company that usually makes snowmobiles, I'm not
> really surprised that they aren't satisfactory being more car than
> truck.

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> >or the m38a1 jeep in canada, anyone know for sure?
> >matt

The original Iltis was built by Volkswagen and the Canadian Government
bought the rights to have them manufactured domestically. This is going
off memory several years old. I always wondered when they would start
replacing them and I might have a chance to get one. 

Tom Spoto

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Filters
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:43:07 -0500

urs to the fellow that inquired?

John Tackley
Richmond, VA

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:52:50 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

Thomas Spoto wrote:
> Paul Quin wrote:
> > Matt says:
> > isn't the Iltis a VW thing copy? I'm not even sure they are 4wd, the
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]
> > >or the m38a1 jeep in canada, anyone know for sure?
> > >matt

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> replacing them and I might have a chance to get one.
> Tom Spoto

Me too i love collecting vehicles... I wrote the compay that made them
last fall and asked for info but they never got back to me the
bastards... Come to think of it its called a Bombadier Iltis, and the
wing that makes it is Bombadier logistics(not logic) I've got the
address somewhere in a Military Equiptment catalog.

maybe they would know how they are being disposed of...
I'll see If I can find it, that book also had the addresses and specs of
all the pink panther makers, even the 110 and 130 'panthers...

matt...

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:31:05 -0800
From: jory bell <jory@mit.edu>
Subject: IIa tranny in III?

i want to swap my Series IIa tranny into my series III. is there a problem
with this? it looks like as long as i do the bellhousing unit as a whole,
then all i have do to is rerun the hydraulic line from the clutch master.
does ths sound reasonable?

::jory

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:15:01 -0500

Blair, 

My '92 Rangie had a RR factory radio/cassette.  Actually, this unit was
made by Panasonic and OEM'd to RR.  Already had the 6 disc controls in
the head unit, so I simply bought the Panasonic changer and the standard
Panasonic control cable from Crutchfield and hooked it all up to the RR
head.  Worked perfectly and saved hundreds over the dealer price.
Hope the one you took out wasn't the Panasonic...

>---------- The first thing I did was to replace the
>stereo in my RR with a head ( removable face )unit that accepted a changer.
>Blair Gillespie

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:30:21 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Iltis (was canadian defender)

The Iltis is based on a VW  but not the Kubelvagen. it has 4 wheel
independant suspension, doesn't have a 2speed transfercase but uses a
low 1st gear 5 spd gearbox (sound familiar?). It is very light and
because of that are surprisingly able Off Road except where lowdown
grunt is called for. I was unexpectedly impresssed when I drove one.
 They have a life of about 30,000 miles before  is not economical to
repair them. So of course the Canadian Military fixes them because there 
is money in the repair budget but none in the capital budget. Just
 like our 30 year old helicopter fleet. Defenders would be nice and if 
BMW did a deal with Bombardier like Volks Wagen  did we could get them.
  There are 2 101s in Ontario that the Canadian Forces had for
evaluation in 1972. I had a conversation with a gentleman who was on the
evaluation team. At the time it was a choice between the 101s and Dodge
3/4 ton pickups. The 101s beat the Dodges on every one of the tests so
naturaly we got the Dodges! Ah! the famed military logic. 
    John and Muddy (Who has beaten her share of Dodges too)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:32:00 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: IIa tranny in III?

jory bell wrote:
> i want to swap my Series IIa tranny into my series III. is there a problem
> with this? it looks like as long as i do the bellhousing unit as a whole,
> then all i have do to is rerun the hydraulic line from the clutch master.
> does ths sound reasonable?
> ::jory

You will need the seriesII slave cylinder too

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode

Heh, I did not even notice that untill you pointed it out :")

john cranfield wrote:

> DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote:
> > I am sorry, that did sound a bit snappy.  I just had an argument
> with
> > this 'lady' I work with.  Mis place aggression and all.  Sorry...
>  Or would this be  Ms placed aggression to be perfectly PC?
>       John and Muddy ( who saves aggression for the tires) or would
> that
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> that
> be aggressiveness?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:47:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: Re: Iltis (was canadian defender)

Now that I think about It there was also an iltis type thing being made
under lisence in Brazil, for their Military and for export, (they
supposedly stil make Fj-40s there too)

How come everywhere I look in the world there are interesting and unique
vehicles and I can't get them here:(

matt
dont bother telling me I already know the answers
(no new Uazs, FJ-40s, VW things, Iltis, m151a1s,)
at least I can get a Hotchkiss jeep
ha ha

> The Iltis is based on a VW  but not the Kubelvagen. it has 4 wheel
> independant suspension, doesn't have a 2speed transfercase but uses a
> low 1st gear 5 spd gearbox (sound familiar?). It is very light and
> because of that are surprisingly able Off Road except where lowdown
> grunt is called for. I was unexpectedly impresssed when I drove one.
>  They have a life of about 30,000 miles before  is not economical to
> repair them. So of course the Canadian Military fixes them because there 
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> naturaly we got the Dodges! Ah! the famed military logic. 
>     John and Muddy (Who has beaten her share of Dodges too)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:27:22 -0400
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: 2.25 engines

Forgive my lack of British car knowledge, but did any other cars ever use
the Rover 2.25 petrol block or head? Thanks,

Braman

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:10:12 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Ramsey PTO winch still FS

The reconditioned Ramsey 8000# PTO winch is still up for grabs. 
Drum-style winch for gearbox-type PTO. Has roller fairlead and all 
mounting hdw. New paint and shiny guts. Ready to haul a** (yours!) Have 
pic if interested.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Subject: Join in the BSROA off-road trip on Jan 1st
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:52:25 -0500

The BSROA are hosting a New Years Day off-road event in South West NH.
Restricted to 5 vehicles. There are 4 more slots open to non-BSROA members.

Any takers ????

This is on non-damaging routes, lunch near a water fall.

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Subject: Metric fasteners/not much LR content
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:59:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Hey kids,

     I have a rather obscure question re: metric bolts and their
   thread pitches. Metric bolts are supplied in three thread pitches,
   1.5 coarse,1.25 fine, and 1.00 extra fine. My question is, what
   do those numbers refer to. It does not refer to the number of
   threads per mm as one would suppose, else 1.5 would be xfine and
   1.00 would be coarse. SAE sizes are easy, 1/4x20 is coarse, 20 
   threads per inch, 1/4x28 is fine with 28 threads per inch. So 
   what's the explanation? Later LR's use metric fasteners, so there's
   your LR content.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or. 
101FC

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:32:39 -0800
From: Blair Gillespie <BlairG@fix.net>
Subject: RE: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

John,
	I guess (hope) that that RR would have got their stuff together and
offered a decent sound package by the 90's. I have been in only a few cars
that the OEM sound system was worth a darn. The stereo that was in my RR
(stock) was horrid and went into the dumpster as soon as I was able to buy
something better.
Blair
>Blair, 
>My '92 Rangie had a RR factory radio/cassette.  Actually, this unit was
>made by Panasonic and OEM'd to RR.  Already had the 6 disc controls in
>the head unit, so I simply bought the Panasonic changer and the standard
>Panasonic control cable from Crutchfield and hooked it all up to the RR

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>>stereo in my RR with a head ( removable face )unit that accepted a changer.
>>Blair Gillespie
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo 
California USA

1988 Range Rover
1972 SIII 88
1967 HD FLH
1940 Ford Pick Up

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From: Jon McDowell <Jon.McDowell@southmark.com.au>
Subject: How do I change the welch plugs on a Series IIa?
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:57:34 +1100

I'm new to Land Rovers and a tad naive (gee I thought the 1950 Series 1
would have a Series 1 engine in it!)

Anyway I want to change the holy welch plugs but find two of them are
hidden behind the exhaust manifold.  Since the manifold is held together
with various bits of hardware which I'm sure Rover never thought of - I
don't want to take it off.

Has anyone managed to do it?  Please let me knoe how.

Jon 

Jon.McDowell@souhmark.com.au

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:46:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Heliographs:

It's a signaling device that uses a moving mirror to send messages -
simple, but an advance in communications when you don't have electric
lightbulbs.

Picture, if you will, a swiveling mirror behind a lens. With the sun in the
right spot, tilting the mirror up and down will send flashes of light out
the lens toward whatever you aim it at.

Not having ever seen one personally, i assume they had redirecting mirrors
to allow you to send flashes in directions other than that allowable by the
sun-s position, but there are several methods that could be handled
(prisms, lenses and the like).

" N one could have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century,
that human affairs were being watched by intelligences vast, cool and
unsympathetic....."

Great book!

               ajr

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: help, I'm FREEZING
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:45:00 +1100

"
my 25 year old smith's heater fan just took a crap and I'm freezing in
this
buffalo winter.  does anybody know either:

	1.	other fans (w/part #'s) that will fit in fan housing.
gm or ford?

	2.	other heater fan units that will fit in place of smiths
blower unit.
(please read that "easily obtainable at local junkyard or available at
local auto parts store")

"

Rick,
 It's probably not much help, but when the heater fan motor on my 1973
S3 packed up I was able to get a replacement motor from a wrecked Austin
Princess, (a wedge shaped fwd car, which may or may not have made it to
the States, they're probably more common than S3 Land Rovers here in NZ)
of similar vintage ie late 70's. This was also a Smiths (related to
Lucas?) motor, and was identical in size, mounting etc., apart from one
end of the shaft being slightly too long to fit inside the fan casing.
This was cured by simply drilling a suitably sized hole in the casing. A
lot of British cars of that sort of age used Smiths electrics so may
also yield a suitable motor. Best of luck,
Richard  1973 S3 SWB
New Zealand

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:51:12 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?! (Iltis)

matt wrote:

> isn't the Iltis a VW thing copy? I'm not even sure they are 4wd, the
> original Kubelwagons weren't. in any case they're made by Bombadier
> Logic or some such company that usually makes snowmobiles, I'm not
> really surprised that they aren't satisfactory being more car than
> truck.

The Iltis doesn't have much in common with the VW thing other than the
company which designed them. The Iltis was originally designed for the
West German Army, and I believe the drivetrain was based on the Audi
90/Fox of the early '70s modified for 4wd. The engine is a watercooled
L4 mounted longitudinally in front of the front axle, and the gearbox is
behind the axle. 4wd was obtained by coupling a propshaft to the rear of
the gearbox which went to a rear differential. There was no differential
between front and rear axles. This drivetrain setup then used (with a
more powerful engine) in the first Quattro rally car.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:29:23 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR

Adrian,

Not all of us are Canadians, eh? 8*)

Yup, OVLR is a great club to be a member of, as it leans more toward the
Series owner but doesn't forsake the custodians of newer vehicles.

That, and they throw a great Birthday Party...

Please do join - you'd be more than welcome, and as the average OVLR member
owns 3 Rovers, you'll fit right in!

               ajr/OVLR member too!

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:01:31 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25 engines

Braman Wing wrote:

> Forgive my lack of British car knowledge, but did any other cars ever
> use
> the Rover 2.25 petrol block or head?

I'll say no non-LR use of the petrol 2.25 until someone comes up with an
obscure application. London taxis and some a Leyland van used the diesel
2.25 though, and the part number for the blocks is the same.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:04:15 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Metric fasteners/not much LR content

Michael Fredette wrote:

>      I have a rather obscure question re: metric bolts and their
>    thread pitches. Metric bolts are supplied in three thread pitches,
>    1.5 coarse,1.25 fine, and 1.00 extra fine. My question is, what
>    do those numbers refer to.

It is distance between threads in mm.

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Metric fasteners/not much LR content
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:19:00 +1100

"    I have a rather obscure question re: metric bolts and their
   thread pitches. Metric bolts are supplied in three thread pitches,
   1.5 coarse,1.25 fine, and 1.00 extra fine. My question is, what
   do those numbers refer to. It does not refer to the number of
   threads per mm as one would suppose, else 1.5 would be xfine and
   1.00 would be coarse. SAE sizes are easy, 1/4x20 is coarse, 20
   threads per inch, 1/4x28 is fine with 28 threads per inch. So
   what's the explanation? Later LR's use metric fasteners, so there's
   your LR content.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
"
Pitch, ie distance between adjacent peaks?
Richard
New Zealand

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:27:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Large holes and drill bits:

One of the legacies of having been a ham operator who built a lot of gear
is a set of chassis punches. These little darlings, once having been used
to make holes in chassis for tube sockets (yes I AM old...) are perfect for
punching holes in sheet metal for antennas, tyre mounts and the like.

They leave a clean, round hole and require little effort to operate -
simply drill a 3/8" hole, thread the cutting bolt through, put the punch on
the other side and turn with a wrench.

Greenlee in the USA still makes and sells them (and are a bit pricey), but
oftentimes sets of interchangeable punches and dies with a common bolt set
are available moderately inexpensively.

Take a look in an electronics-supply catalogue, or talk to an electrical
supply house - they're also often used for punching holes in panels for
switches and indicators.

               ajr/N1TWY

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:37:41 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: Question Re: RR radio codes

> :Is there a source (LRNA) for the stereo codes on file?  I
> had assumed that
> :there was no original database for them, but I could be
> wrong.
>  LRNA will issue the security code for the radio if you
> bring the
>  RR in to the dealer.  I believe they track them by the
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> VIN number
>  or the serial number on the radio itself.

Yes, they are VIN.

>  Here's a question of my own...  When I reconnected the
> battery on
>  the 89RR the stereo prompted for a 'code'.  Relying on my
> faulty
>  memory I programmed in the wrong code.  The radio keeps
> displaying
>  the wrong code and refuses to reset itself, even after
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>  or combination of buttons to have it prompt me for a new
> code?

The radio needs to be on for at least 1 hour and then will
ask for the CODE again.

Regards,

Jon Nyhus

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From: "Steve Stoneham" <stoneham@kos.net>
Subject: Iltis's for sale 
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:33:27 -0500
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Auto Trader.
I think it was an Ottawa heavy equiptment dealership or something along =
those lines.
Prices ranged from $2400 to $4500.
In large letters under the photo "For off road use only".

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:49:29 EST
Subject: BFG URL info

I didn't have luck accessing the uniroyal url (www.uniroyalgoodrich.com) but I
*did* have luck with www.bfgoodrich.com. Unfortunately, they say that they
don't make tires anymore. They did list the 800# for uniroyal goodrich's p.r.
dep't for questions. 

What will MT's be called? "Uniroyal-Goodrich-Mud-Terrains"? Perhaps a longer
name is necessary, maybe they could add some "@"s, a few "www"s and some
".org"s to the name just to keep it in vogue.

pat
93 110

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:44:26 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: BFG URL info

Pat,

>What will MT's be called? "Uniroyal-Goodrich-Mud-Terrains"? [snip]

Or maybe Michelin MTs?

Granny

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:33:37 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Used RR stero price (was: Range Rover stock stereo codes)

Stephen C. Miler, Jr. wrote:
> Mike:
> I have missed the first part of this radio conversation, but I just pulled
> my radio out of my 88 RR and put in some old German radio whose name I could
> not come close to spelling.  I put it some where on the used parts shelf but
> I bet I can did it up.  The code would come from my vin number and that
> would be easy to find.  Let me know if you are interested
> Steve Miller
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> Series III 72 Original Owner
> 88 RR

My 72 88 has a Philips 777 in it, AM/FM/SW Casette. Way back in the
mountains, AM and/or FM don't always come in, but I can still get the
BBC or AFR. I know, it's not RR related.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:44:37 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Used RR stereo price (Rover for sale in Houston)

> Steve Miller
> Series III 72 Original Owner
> 88 RR
> Houston Texas

Steve, 
 I just got back from Houston yesterday. While on Westheimer going east
from the Galleria on the way to see the Houston Symphonies Christmas
concert last Thursday, I saw a late 88" IIA or III at I believe a
service station or a small car lot. It had no front bumper but it did
have a for sale sign on it. My friend who was driving didn't want to
stop,we'd be late for the concert. Anyway know anything about the car?
My friend is over from England for the year, and will need a car while
she is in Houston. Her family has an 88 back in Cornwall so she is'nt
averse to owning one. I figure if I can get enough information about it
I may be able to get her to not fix the Bui** she bought and promptly
had the timing chain slip on. Besides when it's time to go back to
London I can get her to deliver it to me up here.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:05:40 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Military Defenders!?!

matt wrote:
> Thomas Spoto wrote:
> > Paul Quin wrote:
> > > Matt says:
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
> > off memory several years old. I always wondered when they would start
> > replacing them and I might have a chance to get one.
> > Tom Spoto
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> all the pink panther makers, even the 110 and 130 'panthers...
> matt...

Matt,

I ran a search and found someone who just purchased an '85'Iltis, and I
assume surplus. Anyway I asked for what information he is willing to
part with. I'll pass on anything he sends to me.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:55:35 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Lr Content Threads was Re: Metric fasteners/not much LR content

Michael Fredette wrote:

>     Metric bolts are supplied in three thread pitches,
>    1.5 coarse,1.25 fine, and 1.00 extra fine. My question is, what
>    do those numbers refer to.

It refers to mm between threads.

> Later LR's use metric fasteners

Ah.. but beware!  Many later LR fasteners in fact have metric heads but
UNC or UNF threads.... those devious bastards!   So check very very
carefully before you go fitting hardware bolts or using taps/chasers.

I guess that saves them most of the cost of retooling plant :)

cheers,

Jermey

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:36:47 EST
Subject: Re: Music???

What do you listen to, when you're skeptical about going up that ridge?

Or - when you just can't seem to wake up, and go on that off-road outing?

The answer is simple - Punk Rock.

Anything by the Dead Kennedeys,Sex Pistols, Fear, Circle Jerks, P.I.L., UK
Subs, Ministry, Sparks, etc., is guaranteed to make you want to drive that
Land Rover ANYWHERE! Even if you don't want to.

Charles
P.S. It works for me

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:17:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Something's loose!

Re: Rattling:

Diesel starter? I'd suspect something gone wrong in the Bendix assembly
(the solenoid and lever bits) on top.

Check to see that the solenoid hasn't loosened up, or that one of the pivot
pins hasn't come loose. I've seen this particular trick on Chevrolets more
than once - and the starter's a similar design.

Anothe rpossibility is that the Bendix itself (on the shaft - the bit the
solenoid shoves into the ring)has cracked or gone wonky and is wobbling
about.

Also, check with Mike Rooth in UK - he's got personal knowledge of the
Lucas starter (isn't that an oxymoron?) for Diesels.

               ajr/Mr. C

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:15:49 +1100

Check the Tamiya model kit for the Pink Panther.  It's sure to give you the
right colour.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: OVLR
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:15:39 +1100

Adrian Redmond wrote:

>At last - after 18 months on this list, I have finally discovered what
>OVLR means - 

Well, don't keep the rest of us in suspense!  What does it mean?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Dormobile Bits etc
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:15:57 +1100

When I was at the last LRO Club meeting in Sydney, I noticed the following
items on the notice board:

Dormobile Camper Roof with sides & 2 bunks A$500
Dormobile Seats, fold to double bed A$500
Tropical Roof with sides, lining, vents and lights A$300
Deluxe Bonnet A$100
Rear side opening SW door A$100
SW rear bench 12 seat triple split type A$200
LR pattern trailer axle with disc brakes A$150

Contact: Paul on 0417 246 284 (mobile), (02) 9692-8684

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet visibility
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:15:52 +1100

SPYDERS  wrote:
>(The bonnet kit is still in the closet because I can't find a 3/4" drill
bit
with a small enough piece to fit the chuck on my drill. And I don't want to
buy a huge drill just to drill one hole.)

Pat, there is a simple fix.  Somewhere near where you live will be a car
stereo installation mob or a 2-way radio dealer.  Go and see them.  They
will use a chassis punch to put a hole in the bonnet for far less money
than you cna buy a 3/4" drill.  They use them for making holes for antennae
etc.  If you lived near me, I'd do it with my chassis punches.

Actually, drilling a neat 3/4" hole in thin aluminium sheet can't be done
with a standard drill- you'll end up with a triangular hole as the drill
graps and tears thru the metal.  The drill has to be specially sharpened to
cut a disc out of the metal.  I used to have drills sharpened that way.  I
made them up nearly 30 years ago when I was a trainee electronics
technician.  We used them in the training school to cut holes in aluminium
radio chassis.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:59:02 +0000
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

Visions of purchases of 10,000 little tins of Humbrol/Airfix/Tamiya
paint....

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

hillman@bigpond.com on 12/16/97 06:15:49 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

Check the Tamiya model kit for the Pink Panther.  It's sure to give you the
right colour.
Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual
check my home page at
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Music???

On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, john cranfield wrote:

> I am truly puzzled as to how it is possible to "drown out " the various 
> noises that batter ones ear drums when driving your Favourite Beast by

It certainly wouldn't be possible  to do so in my Beast.  I was paged five
times on the way home from work this morning, and didn't know it until I
got out of the Land-Rover.

David/mr. sinclair

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Dr.Who...was Burnout....
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:50:42 +1100

Thanks for the advice on why a Landie could be called a Tardis.  The
Dormobile suggestion was the best although the other suggestions were all
good.

It reminds me of a great cartoon I saw in, I think, Punch.  Two Daleks were
at the bottom of set of steps and one says to the other "Well, there goes
our plans for world domination"

Apologies to all those who have never had the pleasure of watching Dr. Who.

Oh, LR content?  Didn't Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart drive a Landie?  I've
just checked my Dr Who Technical Manual and Doctor Who The Making of a
Television Series and I can't find any pix of any LRs.

 Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:20:06 +0000
Subject: Re: Dr.Who...was Burnout....

He might not have done, but UNIT soldiers called "Private Dead-Meat"
definitely did.
About 6 months ago, I saw the first Tom Baker story on UK-Gold, and they
had a couple of SIII 109" GS. Bumpers were white, which I quite liked, so
my bumpers are now white too.
(its possible they were galv. - you often see genuine mil. vehicles with
bare galv. bumpers)

I have wondered about adding UNIT logos to the vehicle....

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

hillman@bigpond.com on 12/16/97 09:50:42 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Dr.Who...was Burnout....

Thanks for the advice on why a Landie could be called a Tardis.  The
Dormobile suggestion was the best although the other suggestions were all
good.
It reminds me of a great cartoon I saw in, I think, Punch.  Two Daleks were
at the bottom of set of steps and one says to the other "Well, there goes
our plans for world domination"
Apologies to all those who have never had the pleasure of watching Dr. Who.
Oh, LR content?  Didn't Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart drive a Landie?  I've
just checked my Dr Who Technical Manual and Doctor Who The Making of a
Television Series and I can't find any pix of any LRs.
 Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual
check my home page at
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:27:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

Anyone manages to come up with the UNIT graphics, please let me know. I'd
love to get a set made up at the local sign-shop....

Yes, indeed, UNIT drove Series LRs. I have pictures in some of my Dr. Who
books at home - they seemed to be Series 109 Regulars with canvas tops.

     aj"60 tapes of Dr. Who episodes....."r

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:46:36 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@darc.net>
Subject: Re: 2.25 engines

>Braman Wing wrote:
>> Forgive my lack of British car knowledge, but did any other cars ever
>> use
>> the Rover 2.25 petrol block or head?

>I'll say no non-LR use of the petrol 2.25 until someone comes up with an
>obscure application. London taxis and some a Leyland van used the diesel
>2.25 though, and the part number for the blocks is the same.
>Regards,
>David Cockey

The only other application I know of was a boat.  I think someone on the
list here has a Marine Turner.

Michael Johnson
johnsonm@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:25 +1300
From: graham@muddy.gen.nz (Graham Furniss)
Subject: Re: Various 110 TDi recommendations needed

<snip>

>>3) The camshaft belt will need replacing soon, and I'm thinking of getting
>>a Zeus gear conversion.  Again, has anyone looked into this, and if so, is
>>it worthwhile, expensive, noisy, a Good Thing, a Bad Thing?
>I just changed the timing belt on my 300Tdi this morning, for the first
>time. The
>reason was that I had a small oil leak out of the bell housing drain hole,
>and oil

I assume you mean timing case drain hole?

>on the belt is a quick route to a much bigger job. In anticipation I had
>crankshaft

VERY true!

>and camshaft oil seals ready, and it turned out to be the first.
>I have also got the details from Zeus, which is a 511 pound conversion kit
>for the
>300Tdi. I had planned to go that route as well. The background I have is
>that there
>were some problems with the early kits, but that they are now fine. Having
>done the
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>could be inspected easily then it would be no more vulnerable than the fan
>belt.

While this is true, the consequenses of a broken timing belt are
considerably more expensive!

I would add a point or two to this. The first is that being able to inspect
the back of the belt will tell you nothing about the condition of the belt.
Infact, from personal experience, the only time you can tell a belt is worn
out is when it breaks. I have one in the garage which I show to people who
don't believe me. It is pristiene, no cracks, no missing teeth, teeth are
still perfectly attached to the belt etc. etc. except for one point, where
it snapped. The engine this belt came from smashed 4 rockers in half and
bent 3 valves = LOTS of money. These belts are totaly un-like fan belts,
they carry far more load and are not smooth on the load carrying surface.
Failure seems to occur inside the belt and work outwards. The manufacturer
specifies a replacement interval which is at the short end of the MTBF bell
curve so that they don't get hit with too many waranty claims and it pays
to stick with this interval, or shorten it. The last belt I saw go cost the
owner nearly $8000 NZ to rebuild the motor (bent con rod) and replace the
head (cracked) on a small T*y*ta diesel motor.

The Zeus timing gears have two advantages. They don't break suddenly, (they
will make a lot of noise before failure), and they don't stretch as they
wear, which the toothed belts do. These two facts alone make them a good
prospect. Obvously the best time to do the conversion is when the timing
belt is due for a change. Also, since they run in oil they will not be
damaged by oil leaking from the front engine oil seal as the rubber belts
will be.

Just my .02 worth.

Cheers, Graham

72 Range Rover (Red, I think, under all the mud 8-)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:49:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

I think I've trawled the web before, but I'm doing another search...

So far AltaVista on +"Dr Who" +UNIT   comes up with St. Aidans Anglican
Girls School!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

"Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus"@lotus.com on 12/16/97 11:27:50 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Dr.Who (UNIT logo)

Anyone manages to come up with the UNIT graphics, please let me know. I'd
love to get a set made up at the local sign-shop....
Yes, indeed, UNIT drove Series LRs. I have pictures in some of my Dr. Who
books at home - they seemed to be Series 109 Regulars with canvas tops.
     aj"60 tapes of Dr. Who episodes....."r

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