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1 john cranfield [john.cra22Re: Speedo problems
2 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea12Re Gay Bashing in UK
3 eheite@dmv.com 63Tire on the hood
4 Adrian Redmond [1214072335Re: Tire on the hood
5 Adrian Redmond [1214072334Re: Speedo problems
6 Adrian Redmond [1214072345OVLR
7 "John McMaster" [john.ch20Re: Tire on the hood
8 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com32RE: Tyre on bonnet visibility
9 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com15Weather Report
10 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com18Re: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code
11 Adrian Redmond [1214072336Re: Tyre on bonnet visibility
12 john cranfield [john.cra21Re: Tyre on bonnet visibility
13 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [14Re: Still looking for actual experience with parabolic springs
14 "Christopher H. Dow" [do39Re: Tyre on bonnet
15 Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um32Bike tube bleeder & the Boston Bruins
16 Daniel Oppenheim [daniel97Our upcoming trip and Kermit's status
17 David Kurzman [kurzman@i13RE: Tyre on bonnet visibility
18 "Charles Morris" [scimg@33Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
19 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world11misc.
20 David Cockey [dcockey@ti12"every imaginable Genuine part"
21 Allan Smith [smitha@cand57Re: Various 110 TDi recommendations needed
22 Solihull@aol.com 23Think of it as a CKD
23 Solihull@aol.com 23Tyre on bonnet, looks so Roverly
24 Adrian Redmond [1214072338Re: misc.
25 john hess [jfhess@wheel.35LRNA policy? also, used Disco price
26 rover@pinn.net (Alexande24Yard sales
27 rover@pinn.net (Alexande29Filters
28 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com22Re: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code
29 Michael Slade [slade@ima43Range Rover stock stereo codes
30 Michael Carradine [cs@la32Question Re: RR radio codes
31 Adrian Redmond [1214072342Danish?
32 john cranfield [john.cra23Re: "every imaginable Genuine part"
33 CIrvin1258 [CIrvin1258@a18Re: Boston Area Get Together
34 CIrvin1258 [CIrvin1258@a11Re: Gearbox case
35 "FHYap" [FHYap@ix.netcom19Re: Question Re: RR radio codes
36 "FHYap" [FHYap@ix.netcom15Re: Question Re: RR radio codes
37 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet22Re: Range Rover stock stereo codes
38 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b26NPR
39 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b31Re: A Little Lightweight Music
40 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b22Re: ECR etc
41 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b24Flash from past (parabolic springs), brakes, Castrol
42 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b32Re: Rover music
43 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b25Re: Burn-Out Cure music
44 "David Lee" [djflee@emai21Re: Non LR-Military Content (Heliographs)
45 David Scheidt [david@mat42Re: Non LR-Military Content (Heliographs)


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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:39:51 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Speedo problems

Tom you have a common problem that is almost certainly cause by the need
to tighten a nut that lurks behind the flange at the front of the rear
drive shaft. It is a fairly simple job if the flange nuts are kind to
you. when you find the castlated nut tighten it as much as you can with
1/2 drive ratchet handle and don't forget to put a new cotterpin in.
    John and Muddy (Who's loose nut is behind the steering wheel)Tom
Dixon wrote:
> is the second one he has had fitted and has developed the same problem. What
> happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work
> normally for a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated
> Cheers.... Tom Dixon
> ZL2UPG
> 79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)

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> 79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)
> tomd@clear.net.nz

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Re Gay Bashing in UK
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 07:40:00 -0500

Yet another example of the manner is which language and lexicography is
evolving. Or was it just a spelling error? Perhaps he really meant a
simmering faggot, ie a meatball cooking on a low heat.
To be gay once signified a happy demeanour. Now it is more likely to
result in a response to perceived threats like we have just seen.
BTW How does Hazel like being bundle up in the faggots?

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From: eheite@dmv.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:01:20 -0500
Subject: Tire on the hood

Adrian Redmond wrote:

>I have renovated three rovers, all of which had holes in the rear door
>for the spare mount, all of which were placed in the lower half of the
>door, so if the spare is mounted, the tow-hook has to be removed - was
>this a "standard" bluff from solihull, or just a danish peculiarity?

And Paul Quin wrote:

>I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
>put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
>opinions on this?

And Paul Oxley wrote:

>The spare mounted directly on the safari door is death to the hinges (even
>on the Defenders with the extra hinge). Much better idea is to manufacture
>a gate which you can secure directly to the frame at the bottom and the
>(galvanised) support at the top - use an anti-loose pin to close it on the
>other side of the door.

As to visibility,Baby's tires are pretty fat, but the spare on the hood is
much narrower. So how many miles are you going on the spare? It really
doesn't matter what kind of tire you are using as a spare, if the only
purpose is to get to the nearest tire shop. Have you ever tried to drive on
one of those undersized ones? Of course, you could always fill it with
concrete so it won't run out of air.

Baby's rear door latch would not function properly with the spare mounted,
but after I put the middle hinge on, she has not complained. My middle
hinge is actually a Defender part, which is identical to the bottom hinge.
The new mount has been in place for over a year and the door is none the
worse for it.

As for raising the mount, there was an article in one of the magazines a
couple of years ago on this subject, but interference with the door latch
is a problem. Instead, I lowered the trailer hitch, because my usual tow is
a low and light boat trailer that formerly followed a Dodge Colt. The ball
and hitch just barely clear the tire. As for one of those swing-out spare
mounts, I thought they were just for wimpy-bodied beer-can thin
lawyermobiles like Pajeros, Troopers, and Explorers that don't have enough
metal to support anything.

I removed Baby's bulkhead spare (and might sell the mount if tempted) to
make space inside. Two spares are enough, but the ones mounted on the
sloped front roof are cool looking, IMHO. They are popular in Iceland.

All about Iceland:        http://www.dmv.com/~iceland-----------
Research and Land Rovers: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html
    _____
___(_____)
|  Baby  \
|the Land \_===__
|  ___Rover   ___|o            Join us in Iceland for Wool Camp
|_/ . \______/ . ||
___\_/________\_/______________________________________________
Ned and Louise Heite  Camden, DE             

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:29:48 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tire on the hood

Well everyone who has rovered in Iceland knows that you need more spares
tyres on the roof,door,bonnet, inside, than on the hubs to get round the
country in one piece.

I learnt a good trick before my trip to Iceland - overinflate all the
spares to about 60-80 lbs - then with a long rubber tube, with a
inflater-pistol on one end, and a valve-connector on the other, you have
a perfect way of feeding air to deflated tyres when in the bush - one
tyre at 80 lbs (use a good tyre for that!)  contains enough compressed
air to reflate two road tyres to 28 lbs. I took four spares with me, and
only had one puncture, but had to drop pressure a few times to give
better off-road characteristics - the "portable reservoir" was a boon.

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:36:14 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Speedo problems

Simple cure - remove reat transmission shaft from transmission brake
drum, see that castle nut? remove the cotter pin (if it's there),
tighten the nut hard, replace cotter pin, reassemble tranny. Now the
worm gear which drives the speedo output will be effectivly clamped
between the respective parts on the output shaft inside the box.

This is a perennial Series III problem - why the worm gear doesn't have
a key or something to prevent this beats me - but then I have never
opende this part of the toy myself.

good luck

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:42:45 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: OVLR

At last - after 18 months on this list, I have finally discovered what
OVLR means - this morning in the post, besides the usual threatening
messages from the tax authorities, was a curious mail from the Canadian
Customs and Excise department - "S&%t! do we owe them too?" I asked -
but on opening discovered a most welcomne yuletide missive from Dixon
Kenner, including four copies of recent OVLR magazines.

Now my understanding of this list is slowly falling into place - from
the mag I can see many contributors whose names I recognise as daily
contributors to my G: drive. Canadians abound! It seems you folks have a
healthy and fun club going over there - lots of out of state members -
maybe I should enroll?

It made interesting breakfast reading, and will enjoy pride of place in
the house "library" for a few months I'm sure. (I did like the viking
jokes about the "Sold de hull" story - more Caribean than viking
though?)

Thanks dixon, I'll try to dig up something in return from this side of
pond.

Have a roverly christmas,

Adrian Redmond

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From: "John McMaster" <john.chia@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:26:09 +0000
Subject: Re: Tire on the hood

> So how many miles are you going on the spare? It really
> doesn't matter what kind of tire you are using as a spare, if the only
> purpose is to get to the nearest tire shop. 

In the UK, if you are away from "rural" areas, it can be really absurdly hard
to find someone with a 750 inner or who has ability/urge to actually
undertake the job :-(

john
______________________
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john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:41:47 EST
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet visibility

In a message dated 12/13/97 9:49:46 AM, you (paul quinn?) wrote:

>I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet.  
>I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you
>*do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle...

Agreed about the looks with it on the bonnet. Re: the visibility thing, I've
become used to looking at things when they are 6 feet away (or more) and
worrying about them then, before they get to 3 feet. If there's stuff at 3
feet that's really dicey, I'm usually going slow enough to stop, get out and
have a good look at tire placement. Also, in conditions where one *has* to see
what's three feet in front (or below), the bonnet mounted tire becomes a perch
for the spotter. Or the spotter gets to walk. 

In a rover I was driving in E.Transvaal, there was a seat welded onto the arb-
bumper on the side opposite the driver, I guess for a tracker to sit and see
the ground ahead. Now there's an impediment to visibility. How legal would
that be in Connecticut going down I-95 with one's insignificant other perched
on a bumper seat?!

pat
93  "bonnet kit is in the closet" 110

(The bonnet kit is still in the closet because I can't find a 3/4" drill bit
with a small enough piece to fit the chuck on my drill. And I don't want to
buy a huge drill just to drill one hole.)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:38:19 EST
Subject: Weather Report

My official Land Rover Weather Reporting option informed me that it rained
while I was away from the vehicle. I found puddles on the floor. 

I'm so glad LRs come with this as standard. It took 15 years before my VW bug
told me we were driving down muddy roads by allowing mud up through the
floorboards.

pat
93 "met office" 110

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:44:14 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

Trying to match SAS Pink? How about asking someone who has one (J.P.?) to
*chip* some off for a paint match? Good Luck ;-) ! Maybe one fortunate owner
who has one can drive it to a paint store that has one of those optical-eye-
paint-matching-computers. There's a place locally that advertises that service
on TV. Some lady walks in with a watermelon and asks the man to match the
color for her living room. In her mind she's imagining a nice dark green
shade. He matches the red instead!

Just my two zens

pat
93  110

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:44:41 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet visibility

Nice solution for the extra child seat - here in Denmark, if our trucks
are registered with "yellow" number plates, only seats in the front are
permitted (a typical way of punishing rich and conservative businessmen
forcing them to register their company cars with white plates, whilst
allowing the village plumber to have a trade van with only seats in the
front - the price difference in incredible. It actually works against
the interests of the green lobby, as there are so many yellow-plates
cars on the road, all not able to carry passengers in the back - if we
go 4 people out on an off-road recording, we have to take two
smoky-solihulls with us instead of one - just for the seats!

But I like the idea of the "balcony seat" - reminiscient of cheap
airline tickets???

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:57:23 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet visibility

SPYDERS wrote:
> In a message dated 12/13/97 9:49:46 AM, you (paul quinn?) wrote:
> >I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet.
> >I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you
> >*do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle...
> Agreed about the looks with it on the bonnet. Re: the visibility thing, I've

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> with a small enough piece to fit the chuck on my drill. And I don't want to
> buy a huge drill just to drill one hole.)
If there was a Rhino loose on the I95 and your tracker was in a bumper
seat trying to snag it the powers that be may turn a blind eye(I saw a
movie from the 60s where a bumper seat was used for just that purpose)
  Hole wise you could use a hole saw in your small drill and get a 
better finish than a bit would give you.
     John and Muddy ( who saw the hole and went in anyway)

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:36:29 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Still looking for actual experience with parabolic springs

	Posted a while back asking for anyone with hands on experience with
parabolic springs or other options to stock springs.  Got information on
where to find them, anecdotal information about how someone heard, etc. but
no information from a real live user.  
	Is there anybody out there who has tried custom or parabolic springs or
any other spring than the stock spring or stock non oem springs that could
give us some input.  Especially someone who has had them on their vehicle
for some time to test the performance over time.  
	Aloha Peter

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:19:32 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet

Granville Pool wrote:
8<
> On the road it's fine except in hot weather (of which we have quite a lot)
> because it seems to restrict the airflow into the all-important cowl vents.
8< 
Forsooth, Granny.  That makes a *big* difference.
8<

> >I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
> >put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
> >opinions on this?
> It definitely does.  I think the rear door needs a third hinge and some
> reinforcement as well to handle the weight of a spare.  

My rear door is one of the last corrosion spots on my IIA, and I had the spare
mounted low (a s Adrian mentioned).  When I got my rear door interior piece, I
found that the bottom support was broken.  I figured that I no longer needed to
worry about it, since it's already gone.  Eventually, I'll have to replace the
rear door and door tops with ones that aren't rusted, but then I'll have to
paint the beast, and I've grown fond of its patina!

8<
> On the other hand, I don't want to move it up any more than I have to because 
> it restricts rearward vision and access to the door handle.
8<

I'd like to hear thoughts on how to do that.  On mine, there was a box grid of
four places the mount could be placed on the rear door.  One row of two was too
high (where mine is now), one row of two was too low (where LR put them
originally), one column of two was too far to the left (covers up handle--where
mine is now), and one column of two was too far to the right (interferes with
door opening if you have 235/85R16 tires).

C

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:24:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Bike tube bleeder & the Boston Bruins

Most of the time lately this group has been reminding me of a Bruins
hockey game I went to in the sixties at the old Boston Garden.... It was a
continuous fight that occasionally broke out into a game of sport.

However, nestled in the gun, gay, garage mania I managed to read a really
nifty trick to "power bleed" the brakes on my model 8 (not a typo) RHD,
Military and I would like to thank the chap who submitted it.

It worked marvelously, only took me 20 minutes to bleed all the brakes and
clutch (which were dry) by myself.

Thank you, It was really worth sifting through all the other rubbish.

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
1962 Model 8, RHD, British military communications unit
1962 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Troop carrier
1985 Audi Quattro

POB 352, Machiasport
Maine,USA, 04654
207-255-4036

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the chefs are British, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics
French, the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:36:58 -0800
From: Daniel Oppenheim <daniel5@best.com>
Subject: Our upcoming trip and Kermit's status

First, thanks to all (John, Bob, Chris, Blair) who gave me your thoughts on
Kermit's recent woes. I learned a lot about the rig, and myself.

The headlights had a disconnected wire, easily repaired once I found it.
The Hella's needed a new relay (replaced for free.) The alternator is fine.
It's a 55 amp Delco, which was tested to put out 67 amps under a high load
at 2500 RPM. The indicator light only came on at low idle, like 500 RPM. We
adjusted the idle up to a bout 660. 

The big mystery, and ultimately the most satisfying (and embarrassing) was
the alleged steering problem. It only manifested as a steering problem, but
the real culprit was the rear diff locker. It was engaged and stuck. I have
this manually operated, spring loaded mechanism which works great. Only
this time I didn't turn the de-activation bolt in far enough. So every time
I steered hard, one of the rear tires dragged. The car lurched, and
steering was challenging. Solved with the phone diagnosis of one Master
Doug Shipman, and a bigger wrench. Yeah!!

I am so grateful to BMC for their sponsorship help. They offered me the use
of their hot shot technician who knows Series rigs, as he has a couple
himself. He just returned from the Peking to Paris road rally, where he was
the driver/mechanic for a guy's Rolls. [BTW, there were D110's for support,
a Rangie, a Ser IIa, and a Disco- all of which finished. Unfortunately, a
Ser I fell fifty feet down a revine, and was totaled. Both occupants walked
away, with only minor cuts. How about an NCRC outing to Nepal??] His wisdom
about expedition motoring was so helpful. On Thursday and Friday
afternoon/evenings (til 11:30 p.m.) we had the shop floor to ourselves and
put about 12 hours into getting Kermit ready. Boy is it easy to work on
truck when it's over your head, and your standing!! They even have a
hydraulic lift on the floor lift, so manipulation of the axle was a lot
easier. New brakes, Old Man Emu shocks and heavy duty springs in the rear
has made all the difference in the world. Luckily, I had solved the locking
rear diff problem before going there, so I didn't have to spend time
explaining what a poor, uninformed, misguided jerk I am. (I still was, but
I didn't have to admit it to the mechanic:))

Bob, and others, as to gas mileage increase: Yes it was getting terrible
results before, but a 30% increase is significant when gas is about $2.25 a
gallon (leaded-as unleaded is hard to find I guess.) We went from about 9
to 12 mpg, with the truck weighing around 4850 lbs.plus the extra wind
resistance of a filled-in roof rack (I built an aluminum locking storage
box for the sloping part of the rack) On the advise, and I mean immediate
advise, of Mike Pierce (Pierce manifolds in Gilroy), it was suggested to
"Get rid of that oil bath filter!" While it is efficient for cleaning, it
starves the Weber 2bbl of air. K&N was the solution.  The increase in power
was noticeable, as was the top speed. On the trip I'll blow out the dust as
often as possible and take a couple of spares. Additionally, the room
provided by the now extinct oil bath unit made way for a specially designed
double Optima battery box. Solved!

We also made a tarp "room" off the rear of the truck, from a 10 foot by 20
foot dark green, treated canvas. Using the conduit idea from Armando's
tarp, an awning rail (riveted to the rack), and a slick sewing job from SF
Canvas (Van Ness) we have a three- sided cooking area/dining room for
inclement (or romantic) conditions. All for about $120.00. I made a
stainless steel shelf, which is also attached to the roof rack, to hold the
rolled up tarp over the rear door.

We have been very fortunate to receive sponsorship from lots of great
folks. Starting with Blair at Triton Container, the folks at Cosdell
Forwarding are donating their services (paperwork, customs, etc.) as is
International Triax, the warehouser who packs the rig into the container
and delivers it to the dock. Kodak gave us a DC 120 digital camera, Good
Guys gave us a Compaq Presario 1610 lap top, Ericsson said they'd donate a
GC 25 Mobile Office data card ( to call the local ISP in South Africa) as
well as the temporary use of a GSM cellular phone while in their country.
The only major disappointment, and it is major, is the shipper. A member of
the Maersk family had offered round-trip transport for the container, but
his relatives in Copenhagen weren't so cooperative. So as you can tell from
my prior post, we will be picking up that tab ourselves. For the trip our
lifetime, so far, it's not such a bad deal. In light of all the other
assistance we've received, we're very blessed.

We should have a web site (Julia is figuring it out as we speak), something
like "Julia nd Daniel's Great African Adventure" up and running after the
first of the year. We're hoping to get pics posted of the containerizing,
loading, and ship sailing out under the Golden Gate Bridge. Then we can
take a deep breadth, relax as we know our little baby is tucked in well
(with warm blankets and desiccant) for its 45 day cruise to Durban, SA.
We'll meet up with it on March 5th, and then take it back to the docks in
Durban (there's a song there...) on May 12th. It will arrive back to
Oakland about July 1st, just in time to have missed TeriAnn's great
adventure. Shucks.

Well, again, thanks to all for your support and words of encouragement. Who
would have ever thought that the purchase of a car would open up the world
to us. The world of adventure, of technology, of travel, and most valued,
the world of great people like you. Thanks.

Cheers for now,

Daniel

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:27:42
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet visibility

pat
93  "bonnet kit is in the closet" 110

(The bonnet kit is still in the closet because I can't find a 3/4" drill bit
with a small enough piece to fit the chuck on my drill. And I don't want to
buy a huge drill just to drill one hole.)
Don't get a bit. Get one of those 3/4" hole cutters that fit in a regular
size drill. I bought one at Sears for about $5. Best, Dave in Va.

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:30:41 -0800

Good to hear we are among friends.....:)
What part of the country are you from?? I'm from Sacramento.
CHarles

From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:49:39 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Kewl, I love The sisters!  I have been into the industrial/heave gothic
music since I was a teen.  I think I have seen Ministry about 11 times
and the Puppy 7.

William PIttman

Charles Morris wrote:

> Wow another Ministry fan. Me, I love listening to Minstry, Skinny
> Puppy,
> and Sisters of Mercy when I'm on the dirt, and Live when i'm on the
> pavement.
> P.S. does your Rover sputter when playing the good stuff? The
> commercials
> always are playing the classical stuff.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> am
> >> with my girl friend.

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:12:20
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: misc.

>the 109 has stndard 11 leaf spings and standard shackles, with BFG
>750x16 tyres, and her roof is 77" above the floor.

Adrian, you must REALLY have head room, if the floor is the Landy's floor8^).

Jim Wolf

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:57:49 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: "every imaginable Genuine part"

>From the Novers Rorth WWW homepage:
"As well as selling every imaginable Genuine part for every conceivable
Land Rover made, we also provide the best accessories available for Land
Rovers."

So is this the ultimate source for all those NLA parts? Or is someone
guilty of slight overstatement? What if the source was BNW?

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Various 110 TDi recommendations needed
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:28:09 -0300

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za> wrote:

>I have ust bought a new 1995 110 TDi, and need some help with a few issues:
>1) The owners manual talks about the oil requirements of everything expect
>the R380 gearbox and 300 TDi motor.  The previous owner (as far as I know)
>has been using ATF fluid in the gearbox and SAE90 in the transfer case,
>plus a synthetic oil in the engine. Any ideas about what the factory recommends?  

Any personal recommendations?

The gearbox needs F type ATF fluid, M2C33-F spec.

>2) I'm thinking of getting a turbo oil feeder (one of those devices that
>keeps pumping oil into the turbo for 3 minutes after switching off).  Has
>anyone got any ideas about whether they are worthwhile?

Someone on the US list gave me a source:
Turbo Power
2317 De La Cruz Blvd
Santa Clara
CA 95050
tel + 408 748 0151

I haven't followed it up yet but still intend to
>3) The camshaft belt will need replacing soon, and I'm thinking of getting
>a Zeus gear conversion.  Again, has anyone looked into this, and if so, is
>it worthwhile, expensive, noisy, a Good Thing, a Bad Thing?
>has been using ATF fluid in the gearbox and SAE90 in the transfer case,

I just changed the timing belt on my 300Tdi this morning, for the first time. The 
reason was that I had a small oil leak out of the bell housing drain hole, and oil 
on the belt is a quick route to a much bigger job. In anticipation I had  crankshaft 
and camshaft oil seals ready, and it turned out to be the first.

I have also got the details from Zeus, which is a 511 pound conversion kit for the 
300Tdi. I had planned to go that route as well. The background I have is that there 
were some problems with the early kits, but that they are now fine. Having done the 
job this morning, which meant about 25 pounds in parts, I now plan to stick with the 
belt system, but fabricate an inspection panel out of the top of the cover plate, 
where the air con mounting is, to be able to check the belt periodically in a matter 
of minutes without dismantling the front of the truck. This job must be really 
expensive at a UK dealer. A few months ago there was a letter in LROI asking the same 
questions, based on the fact that the ZEUS kit was twice the cost of a belt 
replacement. Although I missed the best windsurfing conditions so far this year, my 
morning covered the job at a 20th of the cost.
In my limited opinion, the only fault of the timing belt system is the chance of a 
failure and resulting collisions between pistons and valves out of sync. If the belt 
could be inspected easily then it would be no more vulnerable than the fan belt.

 
Allan.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:38:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Think of it as a CKD

I met a fellow here in Metro Atlanta who has a complete 2a 109 SW,
disassembled. Including  new galvie frame.  Sez he want's what he's got tied
up in the parts (don't they all!), but that amount is $7500. Might be worth
it, if the engine is a new Turner. If anyone's interested, I'll put y'all in
touch. The usual disclaimers apply.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:49:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tyre on bonnet, looks so Roverly

I think we put up with the tire on the bonnet over here, because it just
looks sooooo Roverly. Like those silly, rusted,
catch-on-anything-on-the-trail, voted most likely to get twisted during the
ride, side steps.
We keep 'em  'cause J**ps, 'Y*tas &c, don't have em.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" Spare on lower half of read roor, no probs.
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:23:48 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: misc.

Oh that it were Jim! - I mean't WORKSHOP floor - didn't I say that?
Excuse me, I am probably suffering from an overdose of qwertyorrhea.

Of course I could have meant the SAME  floor that I referred to in the
preceding paragraph about the 88" dimensions.

All that talk about DOORS yesterday - I now have an attack of DTND -
Digitally Transmitted Nigels Disease - when spray washing the only set
of doors which I haven't yet rebuilt - on the 109", I removed a little
paint to discover dissimilar metal disease - of the digitally
transmitted variety.

So I know what i want for Xmas - 1 sheet aluminium plate, 2 tubes
silicone mastic, 1 tin rust paint, ½ litre series green, light, sticky,
new-trousers-for-the-use-of.

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:45:43 -0800
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: LRNA policy?  also, used Disco price

Hi,

Just saw an ad for a disco lease in the Sacramento Bee (Northern
California).  You guys in the UK are gonna be pissed.  Seems that the bad
news about Rover quality or lack there of has (IMHO) caused LRNA to up the
warranty:  4 years, 50,000 miles!  Course having a four year warranty and a
33 month  lease is a bit counterintuitive.  (unless you buy the thing at
the end).

The new lease program:
33 months, $2995 down payment, $450/month.  $0 security deposit, $0
scehuled maintenance.
purchase option at maturity $23,533.

In other news from the paper, I saw the first disco listed for less than
$20K.  the ad:
Range Rover '95 Discovery 4x4 loaded.  Stk # J2242 ID# 133525 $19,995
Sacramento Jaguar, 916 483-2886.

holiday greetings to all!

PS.  I made a few changes to the dormobile page, including a few photos of
real dormobile stuff.

John F Hess   jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:26:06 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Yard sales

Russ wrote:

>The widow has a huge something or other....

You never what you are going to find at yard sales.  Mike McCaig dropped by 
one and the ex-Marine Corps stainless steel water tank used at the 
Mid-Atlantic Rally is the result.  Mike said he thought that it had *never* 
been used.  Bought a second tank on skids.  The widow lady was also selling 
a 15kw diesel genset, but he couldn't figure a way to get it home.... Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:26:02 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Filters

Alan Richer wrote:

>There are stainless-steel screens available for the input lines of spray-
>painting gear

This is what John found...and sent me one.  It fits *inside* the pickup tube 
and I think could easily be blocked by debris.

>Also, someone mentioned that a filter sock...is also used on VWs....

Tried that route, too.  The local beetle barn didn't have anything like it 
(or couldn't be bothered to help a non VW owner).

Currently, I'm running with a 'naked' pickup tube.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:32:30 EST
Subject: Re:  Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

In a message dated 12/13/97 12:44:14 PM, you wrote:

>Trying to match SAS Pink? How about asking someone who has one (J.P.?) to
*chip*
>some off for a paint match? Good Luck ;-) ! Maybe one fortunate owner who has
one
>can drive it to a paint store that has one of those optical-eye-paint-
matching-computers.
>There's a place locally that advertises that service on TV. Some lady walks
in
>with a watermelon and asks the man to match the color for her living room. In
her
>mind she's imagining a nice dark green shade. He matches the red instead!
>Just my two zens
>pat
>93  110

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:29:54 -0800
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Range Rover stock stereo codes

Hi all,

First off, sorry for the mega cross-posting, I just know there are many who
are not subscribed to all the lists.  Thanks for indulging me.  :)

*sigh*

I'm looking to put in an original RR stereo back into my '90 RR because the
first one got full of mud (don't ask).  :)

Anyway, I went to the local 'stereo shop' and they informed me that no
current tape deck would work with the stock RR CD changer because the
original one is an 'M' bus, and the new style decks use a 'P' bus.

So, it looks like if I want to use the OEM CD changer I need to find an
original RR stereo.  Right?

Ok, I found several in Seattle, and one locally here in Portland, only they
do not come with the security codes.

Question:

Is there a source (LRNA) for the stereo codes on file?  I had assumed that
there was no original database for them, but I could be wrong.

If there is no way of obtaining a security code, is there a source for
original RR stereo's that do have the codes w/them?  Anyone got one in
their garage that they took out of their car?

We're driving to Utah on the 21st and want to be able to listen to real
music instead of us singing Christmas carols the whole way down.  ANY help
would be appreciated (including voice lessons).  :)

Thanks a ton.

Michael Slade
'90 RR
Portland, OR

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:04:37 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Question Re: RR radio codes

At 05:29 PM 12/13/97 -0800, Michael Slade wrote:
:Is there a source (LRNA) for the stereo codes on file?  I had assumed that
:there was no original database for them, but I could be wrong.

 LRNA will issue the security code for the radio if you bring the
 RR in to the dealer.  I believe they track them by the VIN number
 or the serial number on the radio itself.

:We're driving to Utah on the 21st and want to be able to listen to real
:music instead of us singing Christmas carols the whole way down.  ANY help
:would be appreciated (including voice lessons).  :)

 Considering the code is 4 digits to a base of 6, it won't be too
 long until you can find the combination by trial, error and luck.
 If you're determined, I'd guess somewhere around Ely, Nevada ;)
 There are only 1,296 possible codes.

 Here's a question of my own...  When I reconnected the battery on
 the 89RR the stereo prompted for a 'code'.  Relying on my faulty
 memory I programmed in the wrong code.  The radio keeps displaying
 the wrong code and refuses to reset itself, even after disconnecting
 the battery for over 20 hours!  Is there are a secret button to push
 or combination of buttons to have it prompt me for a new code?

-Michael

 www.landrover.net

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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 03:37:15 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Danish?

Arte there any Danish LR Klub members here who know what's happended to
the DLRK website - sometimes it's there, sometimes not. After 15 years
of non-membership, I feel I ought to join, but every time I use the link
to their membership secretary, I get the mail returned saying no such
address.

Of course I could use the post or the phone, but I'm lazy, and I have
sort of grown used to e-mail - by the time of the day when I have time
for frivilous, non-productive pastimes, e-mail is the best option - its
usually about 2:00 AM.

Or is this just a special feature to keep immigrants out of the klub?
Just kiddin' venner!

No, I ought to join up, and I ought to invite a few roverlige typer out
for a beer in the country one weekend. Reading Dixon's red-cross package
of OVLR magazines gives me a bad conscience!

pøj pøj!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:16:28 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: "every imaginable Genuine part"

David Cockey wrote:
> >From the Novers Rorth WWW homepage:
> "As well as selling every imaginable Genuine part for every conceivable
> Land Rover made, we also provide the best accessories available for Land
> Rovers."
> So is this the ultimate source for all those NLA parts? Or is someone
> guilty of slight overstatement? What if the source was BNW?

Rovers North has an unbelievable stock of parts on hand, they always on
the look out for sources of NLA parts and are generally good folks to
deal with. 
   When I was on the way from Nova Scotia to Maine on one occasion my 
 rear drive shaft gave up the ghost. I called by cell phone beside the 
highway  and by the time I arrived at my friends home the UPS truck had
just delivered my new shaft. Remember that my  Rover is a Series III 109
with the salisbury axle and this model was never imported by Rover to
Noerth America yet RN had a shaft for it  and yes it is a special one
     John and Muddy (who has been known to rove north)

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:34:52 EST
Subject: Re: Boston Area Get Together

//The BSROA Holiday Party will be held this Friday (12/12)//

That was very mean...I arrived in Boston Thursday (12/11) at 2130, and I left
on Friday night/Saturday morning (12/13) at 0215! Wish I'd known this in
advance.

Aside from the usual Discos/Rangies, I only saw 1 Series vehicle while I was
there (an amazing feat, considering I was there only 1 day!) - it was Marine
blue/Limestone top w/fixed side windows and a tailgate. It was backed into a
space in a fenced-in parking lot, somewhere near the harbor/airport.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:40:00 EST
Subject: Re: Gearbox case

Too late, Mike. I already found one.

Thanks anyway.

Charles

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Question Re: RR radio codes
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:10:48 -0800

>  Here's a question of my own...  When I reconnected the battery on
>  the 89RR the stereo prompted for a 'code'.  Relying on my faulty
>  memory I programmed in the wrong code.  The radio keeps displaying
>  the wrong code and refuses to reset itself, even after disconnecting
>  the battery for over 20 hours!  Is there are a secret button to push
>  or combination of buttons to have it prompt me for a new code?

Mike,

On mine I had to leave the radio ON for an hour or so then try again. I
think this requirement was buried somewhere in the instructions.

Frank

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Question Re: RR radio codes
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:13:01 -0800

>  Considering the code is 4 digits to a base of 6, it won't be too
>  long until you can find the combination by trial, error and luck.
>  If you're determined, I'd guess somewhere around Ely, Nevada ;)
>  There are only 1,296 possible codes.

That won't work.  As I recall, you only get 3 chances then you have to wait
an hour to try again.

Frank

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:19:02 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Range Rover stock stereo codes

Michael Slade wrote:

> Is there a source (LRNA) for the stereo codes on file?  I had assumed that
> there was no original database for them, but I could be wrong.

You should be able to provide the serial number off the back of the unit to
anyLR dealer who in turn should be able to get the code off LRNA.  The more
recent
units may be obtainable right off an online database but the older ones will
probably
have to be called in.

Hope that helps.

cheers

Jeremy

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: NPR
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:35:42 +1100

Chris Dillard wrote:
>Just for the record  NPR is National Public Radio. 

Funny, isn't it.  It depends upon one's trade.  I'm an electronics tech and
I saw the NPR and immediately thought "Noise Power Ratio".  The KPFDM has
me wondering.  I thought it was something to do with Frequency Division
Multiplexing (FDM).

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: A Little Lightweight Music
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:48:10 +1100

Easton Trevor wrote:

> Ignorant of the finer nuances of musical appreciation, I have noticed
> that one album from Bryan Adams is adorned with a somewhat recognizable
> 5 stud wheel.

Turn the CD cover over and look at the back picture and you see he is
sitting on the roof of his Defender.  In the front picture, you can see the
coil spring tower.  (I assume it is the CD "So Far So Good" - as it was
sold in Australia)

Yes, he is an LRO.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: ECR etc
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:20:44 +1100

From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
I wrote:
<<  And the models they work on haven't changed in thousands of years.
  >>

Nate replied:
>Yea, all true but they don't have any say over quality control during
production. ; )

In most cases this is true, but *I'm* perfect.  Ask my wife.  If you don't
believe her, ask me.

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Flash from past (parabolic springs), brakes, Castrol
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:38:38 +1100

Richard Chala asks:
>Quick question on parabolic springs..Has anybody on the list tried them

I've seen these mentioned at times.  Would someone be able to explain the
difference from standard leaf springs, please?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Rover music
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:57:53 +1100

I used to do a bit of disc jockeying on a local radio station request
programme.  My interests are good rock, be it old or new, light or heavy so
some requests e.g. crap, hip hop and the like went straight into the bin.. 
I often taped my show so I could check where I was stuffing up, to make
sure I didn't "umm" and "er" as I hear so many DJs do.

I used to find my driving got faster and faster as I listened to the
programme.  Perhaps I should have driven a Series - that way I couldn't go
too fast.

Oh, I used to open the programme with my theme song "Bad to the Bone" by
George Thorogood and finished the show with "Born to be Wild" - the INXS
version, not Steppenwolf (get your motor runnin'.....).

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure music
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:28:15 +1100

I want to know why Erik Barr calls his LR "TARDIS"

Everyone knows that the Tardis was bigger inside than out.  This doesn't
apply to a LR.  Perhaps it is because the good Doctor was always under the
control panel trying to keep the old girl going?  Oh for a "sonic
screwdriver".

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "David Lee" <djflee@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Non LR-Military Content (Heliographs)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:25:24 -0000

David Kurzman was asking about heliographs, the replies you have got have
suggested that this is an obsolete piece of kit - not so. As it needs no
batteries and has no moving parts it is still in use for emergency
situations.
The RAF ejection seat PSP (Personal Survival Pack)  -  the glass fibre box
you actually sit on and which hangs below you if you eject, contains a
heliograph. In this case it is a 2" square mirror with a small hole in the
middle and cross wires to allow it to be aimed.
Don't write off old technology just cos it's old - Ah!  there's the LR
content.

Dave Lee
Kinloss, Scotland
1976 SIII 109 Safari
1955 Triumph TR2

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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:13:44 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Non LR-Military Content (Heliographs)

On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, David Lee wrote:

> The RAF ejection seat PSP (Personal Survival Pack)  -  the glass fibre box
 you actually sit on and which hangs below you if you eject, contains a
 heliograph. In this case it is a 2" square mirror with a small hole in the
> middle and cross wires to allow it to be aimed.

There is a rather lot of differance between a signal mirror and a
heliograph.  A signal mirror is just that, a mirror.  A heliograph is
usually mounted on a tripod, and has several mirrors or lenses, that allow
it signal in any direction, regardless of postion of the sun.  They often
also have a mechanisim to make flashing code (Morse, or the like) easier.  

Signal mirrors are certainly very, very useful in a wide variety of
survival situations.  You really need two though, so you can signal in 360
degrees.

> Don't write off old technology just cos it's old - Ah!  there's the LR
> content.

I don't get accused of this much.

David/mr Sinclair

> Dave Lee
> Kinloss, Scotland
> 1976 SIII 109 Safari
> 1955 Triumph TR2

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> 1955 Triumph TR2

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