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1 | john cranfield [john.cra | 19 | Re: Sputtering Along |
2 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 24 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
3 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 20 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
4 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 30 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
5 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 26 | Gay bashing in the UK... |
6 | "Chris Dillard"[cdillard | 14 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
7 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea | 20 | Re: Sputtering Along |
8 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 28 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
9 | dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o | 17 | Re: Sputtering Along |
10 | dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o | 15 | Beavers&Winches oh my... |
11 | john cranfield [john.cra | 18 | Re: Beavers&Winches oh my... |
12 | matt [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 15 | Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code |
13 | matt [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 14 | land rover height |
14 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 18 | Re: Sputtering Along |
15 | "Davies, Scott" [sdavies | 44 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
16 | "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd | 68 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
17 | "Chris Dillard"[cdillard | 13 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
18 | Duncan Phillips [dunk@iv | 24 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
19 | M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M | 11 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
20 | john cranfield [john.cra | 22 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
21 | "Davies, Scott" [sdavies | 10 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
22 | Roydon Woodford [roydon@ | 17 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
23 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 36 | Re: land rover height |
24 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 25 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
25 | "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns | 30 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
26 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 29 | Re: land rover height |
27 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 8 | Re: land rover height |
28 | "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jberg | 40 | Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover |
29 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 13 | Re: land rover height |
30 | M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M | 13 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
31 | "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd | 24 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
32 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 21 | Re: land rover height |
33 | "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns | 20 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
34 | M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M | 14 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
35 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 18 | Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover |
36 | "M.Gaines" [MikeGaines1@ | 7 | Re: Rick Valentino pissed off |
37 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 20 | Ammeter |
38 | Mark Sullivan [marks@dat | 5 | At last something worth reading! |
39 | Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml | 26 | RE: land rover height |
40 | Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml | 22 | 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle) |
41 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 20 | Re: Landy Music |
42 | "Christopher A. Glaves" | 20 | It's cold... |
43 | nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.one | 15 | Re: land rover height |
44 | Michael Carradine [cs@la | 21 | Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code |
45 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 12 | Re: Ammeter |
46 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 19 | Re: 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle) |
47 | matt [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 23 | Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code |
48 | Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa | 26 | Re: Beavers&Winches oh my... |
49 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 60 | Tyre on bonnet |
50 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 29 | Re: Ammeter |
51 | john cranfield [john.cra | 18 | Re: Ammeter |
52 | Michael Carradine [cs@la | 31 | Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code |
53 | tc971613@student.paisley | 14 | Bryan Adams |
54 | Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml | 28 | RE: Tyre on bonnet |
55 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 23 | Re: Ammeter |
56 | "John McMaster" [john.ch | 26 | Re: Tyre on bonnet |
57 | gpool@pacific.net (Granv | 40 | RE: Tyre on bonnet |
58 | MATT [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 18 | Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source |
59 | MATT [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 12 | Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source |
60 | "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b | 26 | Re:Burnout |
61 | gpool@pacific.net (Granv | 15 | Re: inexpensive tire source |
62 | Wayne Haight [whaight@ha | 24 | Re: Burnout |
63 | Tom Coron [tcoron@nswc.n | 17 | Tyre on Bonnet |
64 | "LT J Jackson" [lt_j_jac | 17 | Maine Winter Romp |
65 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 20 | Re: Tyre on Bonnet |
66 | Solihull@aol.com | 24 | Re: Re: Series burn out cure? |
67 | john cranfield [john.cra | 19 | Re: Maine Winter Romp |
68 | "Mathew Stace" [landyman | 21 | Series Music!! |
69 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 22 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
70 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 50 | Re: Gay bashing in the UK... |
71 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 68 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
72 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 36 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
73 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 16 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
74 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 29 | RE: Gay bashing in the UK... |
75 | "K. John Wood" [jwrover@ | 38 | Re: land rover height |
76 | "K. John Wood" [jwrover@ | 41 | Re: i want a winch!!!!!! |
77 | David Kurzman [kurzman@i | 17 | non-L-R; Brit Military Question |
78 | "T. F. Mills" [tomills@o | 26 | Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph) |
79 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 24 | RE: Tyre on bonnet |
80 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 80 | Re: Tyre on bonnet, wobbly back doors and all things rusting |
81 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 30 | Re: Tyre on bonnet |
82 | David Kurzman [kurzman@i | 30 | Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph) |
83 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 59 | Re: Tyres on back doors and other towhook tricks |
84 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 26 | Lightweight music |
85 | Paul Oxley [paul@adventu | 20 | Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question |
86 | Paul Oxley [paul@adventu | 31 | Re: Tyre on bonnet |
87 | Faye and Peter Ogilvie [ | 13 | Re: keep the screen. |
88 | kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Cald | 13 | Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question |
89 | "Tom Dixon" [tomd@clear. | 14 | Speedo problems |
90 | Tony Yates [tonyy@pilbar | 14 | Re: Speedo problems |
91 | Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet | 23 | Re: Speedo problems |
92 | SFmms [SFmms@aol.com> | 23 | O/D tool Status |
93 | "Charles Morris" [scimg@ | 13 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:37:32 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Sputtering Along Chris Stevens wrote: > the IIA. After the motor coughed and sputtered a lot I decided to look into > the fuel system. (this is after I replaced a faulty positive battery > cable). Today I yanked all the fuel lines (including the pick up tube from > the new DAP tank) and rebuilt the fuel pump. I discovered that the stock > pick-up tube was just a tad to long for the new tank, causing it not to > pick up the way it's supposed to because it's pressed against the tank [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)] > Towson, MD > 1969 Series IIa 88" SW Chris why not just bend the tube a little? thats what most folks do in this situation John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:49:39 -0500 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Kewl, I love The sisters! I have been into the industrial/heave gothic music since I was a teen. I think I have seen Ministry about 11 times and the Puppy 7. William PIttman Charles Morris wrote: > Wow another Ministry fan. Me, I love listening to Minstry, Skinny > Puppy, > and Sisters of Mercy when I'm on the dirt, and Live when i'm on the > pavement. > P.S. does your Rover sputter when playing the good stuff? The > commercials > always are playing the classical stuff. [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)] > am > >> with my girl friend. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:52:30 -0500 Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs I agree with this post much more than the last :") Uncle Roger wrote: > At 09:03 AM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I am also tired of hearing people on this list talk down to jeepers. > A > >4x4 is a 4x4 and we all share a common interest. I know of many jeep > >clubs that do trail maintenance and work to keep trails open. I have > I certainly did not mean to imply that "jeepers" (either those who own [ truncated by list-digester (was 97 lines)] > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:00:39 -0500 Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs You know, I am sorry but this realy bothers me. I complete aggree with what you are saying and then you insert 'rover owners'. This is a BIG problem in my eyes. I read in a recent mag that a bunch of jeepers and bikers banned together to save some of the moab/rubicon trails. There were many different clubs involved with many different types of vehicles. I think that we share common interest that no one else does as rover owners and I think that my d90 is the kewlest truck on earth but....I think that saving trails/our reputations is a job that we all need to ban together to do. William Pittman Chris Dillard wrote: > I have to agree with Uncle Roger and it is my opinion that the "Weeken > Warrior 4x4 (ie Explorer,Tahoe, etc,etc) seem to make things bad for > those > who practice envrionmantally friendly offroading. I think that the > only > reason that we get the brunt of most of the environmentalist "WACKOS" > is [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)] > 91 RR County > 71 SER IIA 109 SW (X-mas wish list) ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 8:06:37 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Gay bashing in the UK... We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and mutual respect for one another...at least up till now. I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped did not exist in our group. I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on. You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:13:51 -0500 Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs I guess that what I really meant here is those who just go off road wherever they fell like it (trails or no trails). I meant nothing directly against jeep, tahoe, exploere etc. My opologies to those who were offended. I think however, that it is importanat that we work together to save the environment and keep off-roading an environmentally friendly thing. Chris 91 RR County ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:34:38 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: Sputtering Along >So, I'm getting close to solving some "intermittent running" problems with >the IIA. After the motor coughed and sputtered a lot I decided to look into >had this problem? It's still sputtering (like fuel starvation) so I'm >guessing that I need to do more. Chris, What type of carb. is on your Rover? If it is a Weber I may have your solution, or at least something to try. Is the problem mostly at idle? From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists* 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864 207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:26:07 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... Adams, Bill wrote: You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or else. WELL SAID BILL! -- Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:17:59 EST Subject: Re: Sputtering Along > Can I >.pull it off an hack another eight of an inch or so off the end? Anyone else >had this problem? It's still sputtering (like fuel starvation) so I'm >guessing that I need to do more. Chris, i think it was John Tackley who found some fuel filters or something that made a good replacement for the pickup tube screen, that would enable you to shorten yours (pickup tube that is) and then replace the screen. John? later DaveB ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:15:16 EST Subject: Beavers&Winches oh my... >I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge >sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has the name >beaver cast in the front > If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more about it. I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole... later DaveB. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:39:52 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Beavers&Winches oh my... dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote: > >I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge > >sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has the name > >beaver cast in the front > > If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more about it. > I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole... > later [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] > later > DaveB. ten foot pole? now who's bragging? john ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:44:44 -0800 From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code I may be wrong but I've been told its really a redish khaki, that sometimes looks pink, at least when you are out of a desert environment, (like the old khaki trousers the US army had that were called"pinks") I don't think there is any specific paint # for the mix, ive seen several pictures of desert vehicles painted in this scheme and they all varied in hue. I think they just mix a light sand color with a bit of red until it looks faintly pink... matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:47:43 -0800 From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: land rover height could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the roof is in the rear? I just put the body on mine last night and its measures 6'8" and looks like a grasshopper or something... I think its about three inches too tall because of my new springs/military shackles and overload shocks but I need a height to use as a reference. thnks matt actually it looks kind of cool... ;) ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:45:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Sputtering Along I think it was John who found them, but there's the info anyway. There are stainless-steel screens available for the input lines of spray-painting rear - try your local Home Depot or the like, in the airless-sprayer section. A Jubileee clip or hose clamp works to hold the thing on. Also, someone mentioned that a filter sock much like the one in the Rover tank is also used on VWs - secure it with a stainless hose clamp or the like - don't bother soldering it on. ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 13:51:00 PST For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political incorrectness doesn't hurt. Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (I've seen the sort of car saleman Mike referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest 4x4xFar) ---------- From: Adams, Bill Subject: Gay bashing in the UK... Date: 12 December 1997 00:00 We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and mutual respect for one another...at least up till now. I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped did not exist in our group. I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on. You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:00:56 +0000 Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... >For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering >faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a >faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's >language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are >far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for >such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political >incorrectness doesn't hurt. And I thought he was comparing the salesperson to a school dinner, anyway... :-) Yes, I think the reaction was a bit over the top, and I had to go back and reread the original email to see what the complaints were on about. Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com on 12/12/97 09:51:00 PM Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political incorrectness doesn't hurt. Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (I've seen the sort of car saleman Mike referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest 4x4xFar) ---------- From: Adams, Bill Subject: Gay bashing in the UK... Date: 12 December 1997 00:00 We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and mutual respect for one another...at least up till now. I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped did not exist in our group. I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on. You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:03:33 -0500 Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... Is it just me, or is it those who references like this aplly to who get the most offended. The world is not perfect nor the people in it. People can say and do as they please. Not that I agree with what everybody says but I agree that they have the right to say it. Chris 91 RR County ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:14:28 +0000 From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... At 13:51 12/12/97 PST, you wrote: >For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering >faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a >faggot). I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England (never heard of faggot and chips??) - perhaps the salesman was simply rounded and slathered in gravy - either way let's not let this get out of proportion - we must balance the protection against offence, against the right to free speech (something I understand they're big on in the states). (please direct all flames to /dev/null !!) ******************************* Duncan Phillips 1980 SWB SIII 'Evie' http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/ ******************************* Big Bad n' Blue ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:25:14 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... >I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England >(never heard of faggot and chips??) - Its the funny language they speak,Duncan.Which is why when The Black Dyke Mills Band was booked to play in New York,the organisers wanted to block the performance.*They* thought it was a lesbian negro band.True! Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:32:51 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... Duncan Phillips wrote: > At 13:51 12/12/97 PST, you wrote: > >For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering > >faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a > >faggot). > I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England > (never heard of faggot and chips??) - perhaps the salesman was simply > rounded and slathered in gravy - either way let's not let this get out of [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > ******************************* > Duncan Phillips If you grew up in rural England you will know that faggots are bundles of brush wood mainly hazel. These were used for a number of purposes not least of which was the foundation of several medieval cathedrals. So you could say it is just a bunch of faggots that hold up some of the worlds greatest churches! John and Muddy (who often has a brush with brush wood) ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 14:32:00 PST Of course, referring to someone as a 'car salesman' was a low down, nasty thing to do and shouldn't be tolerated:-) Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:34:16 +0000 From: Roydon Woodford <roydon@landrover.org> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... Question : Is it not politically incorrect to refer to them as a 'car salesman' surely it should be salesperson..... At 14:32 12/12/97 PST, you wrote: >Of course, referring to someone as a 'car salesman' was a low down, nasty >thing to do and shouldn't be tolerated:-) >Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT Landrover Owners Group (Cambridge) >http://www.landrover.org roydon@landrover.org info@landrover.org ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:38:23 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: land rover height My 88 had new springs in April, they have now settled a little. with Bridgestone 750x16 radials - (not as big as my BFG's on the 109) there top of the roof (not the roof ribs) is 76" above the workshop floor. I have standard 11 leaf diesel springs and standard shackles fitted. the 109 has stndard 11 leaf spings and standard shackles, with BFG 750x16 tyres, and her roof is 77" above the floor. both give a comfortable ride with good cornering control hope this helps. Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:42:17 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... At least he didn't say "second-hand car salesman / salesperson - that would have been politically incorrect Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:59:04 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... Adrian Redmond wrote: > At least he didn't say "second-hand car salesman / salesperson - that > would have been politically incorrect > Adrian Redmond > --------------------------------------------------- > CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)] > Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk > --------------------------------------------------- Well, I'm going to have to step out of line here. I think that the guy at our local LR dealership deserves to be called a "car salesman" .Having only one LR in at time in a city of 250,000 people seems logical, right? If you don't like the color, well, wait till it's sold and maybe the next one coming in will suit you. If you ask this guy about the LR, he'll say " That's a ....Land, Land, let me check my paper here....ahhh yes, a Land Rover....made in ...(shuffle of papers,farts, etc..) oh yes, in England it says here, and we also sell Volvo's. What were you interested in? " Well, I may be a country boy, but guys like this should really be cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.! -- I'm ready for the flames-- Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:15:37 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: land rover height matt wrote: : could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the : roof is in the rear? I just put the body on mine last night and its : measures 6'8" and looks like a grasshopper or something... : I think its about three inches too tall because of my new : springs/military shackles and overload shocks but I need a height : to use as a reference. My '65 88" got new springs and mil shackles in early September and it's 6'7" (197.8cm) tall to the roof (*not* the sun sheet--that's higher). It was about 6'8" right after I replaced the springs, but they settled quickly. I don't remember the distances off the bump stop before ore after settling (no scientist, I), but I do recall they went down an inch there (of course)--hence the reduced roof height. My wingtops were at the same height as a new stock 90 when checked at the dealership (or Rover 'ship as the youth around here say) after the settling. The funny thing was that the beams across my carport are at about 6'81/2", so when I first took it out after the springs, I had a "tight spot", but in the end, the top of one of the bubbles over the vents in the roof just barely kissed the beam. Now I can only go in as far as the rear work lamps, as they're above said beam. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:16:13 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: land rover height I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:23:28 -0500 From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jberg@hearstnewmedia.com> Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Uncle Muddy contributes: > Jeff I believe you should be proud owner of an AMC Gremlin I saw the >otherday. It was even purple! >From Kenosha Wisconsin, home of... (You would have had to have been a Steve Dahl Show--Chicago DJ--listener in the early eighties to understand this lead-in.) Anyhow a friend of mine used to hop-up Gremlins for use at the local drag strip. (This too was in Chicago.) I've been full-on, foot-to-the-floor--sideways in a Gremlin more times than you've been buried up to your oversized tires in sticky goo John--but even in tantalizing purple I ain't gonna own one. That same friend once totaled an AMC Pacer (don't ask me, it must be a mental illness). It was three years old and a flying rock cracked the rear "bubble" glass. Cost to replace that piece was greater than the entire value of the car. The search goes on! jab == Jeffrey A. Berg Macintosh Systems Consultant Phone (212) 649-2322 FAX (212) 957-8524 mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com To report HNMC Macintosh problems use mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com Remember, the subject line must include NMC MAC "Brief Description" ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:26:01 -0600 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: land rover height > I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires. Chris which road wheels are you running (which width, tubes or no tubes) and if you have a bonnet mounted spare can you see over it? I'd like to fit the same ones on my 88 SIII H ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:42 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.! > -- I'm ready for the flames-- >Con Seitl >1973 III 88 "Pig" Not,surely,both at the same time? Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:28:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... I thought that that was what they did in MaccyDees? Richard M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 12/12/97 03:26:42 PM Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.! > -- I'm ready for the flames-- >Con Seitl >1973 III 88 "Pig" Not,surely,both at the same time? Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:48:42 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: land rover height I'm runing the original 6.5x16 wheels--although 7x16s are "on the list". I can see over the bonnet. I find I only loose about two feet of visibility with the tire on. Right now, however, I'm running the tire on the rear door because I moved the mount, so I have some holes to hide! I'm running tubes in three wheels. I wanted them, but the tire shop talked me out of them when I got a flat fixed, and then when I got the spare tire (I originally had a 6.5x16 spare). C Herman L. Stude wrote: > > I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires. > Chris which road wheels are you running (which width, tubes or no > tubes) and if you have a bonnet mounted spare can you see over it? > I'd like to fit the same ones on my 88 SIII ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:54:08 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... Mike Rooth wrote: > cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.! > > -- I'm ready for the flames-- > >Con Seitl > >1973 III 88 "Pig" > Not,surely,both at the same time? [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] > Not,surely,both at the same time? > Mike Rooth Isn't it just about the same thing??? Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:08:23 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.! >> Not,surely,both at the same time? >> Mike Rooth >Isn't it just about the same thing??? >> Mike Rooth ...Sobering thought...:-) Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:12 -0500 Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Hopped-iup Gremlin: Personally, i can think of no worse fate than to be in one of those little nightmares with an overbuilt engine... That wretched little design simply was too close-coupled to be able to handle anything other than the arthritic lawnmower that was under its bonnet. Sideways? No doubt of that! aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:57:50 -0500 From: "M.Gaines" <MikeGaines1@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Rick Valentino pissed off Sorry rick, didn't know you were a salesman. 8^) Mike Gaines ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:42:50 -0600 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Ammeter [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: message/rfc822 ] Dear All; So I bought an ammeter (new Lucas) to fit the 2 1/16" hole in my lower dash from PO. Its instructions say to attach one lead to starter solenoid the other to the alternator (SIII). Charlie @ RN says that this will only register charging current not draining. Therefore, for the instrument to function properly I must get the brown push in wire that goes from the starter solenoid to the "rest of the car" (Charlie's words) attach it to the ammeter then go from the ammeter back to the starter solenoid. I'm new at this stuff, anyone got any ideas, comments, etc. Herman ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com> Subject: At last something worth reading! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:56:02 -0500 ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: land rover height Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:20 -0800 I just walked out into the parking lot and measured a friends '69 88 (springs about a year old) At the center of the rear, not including the reinforcing ridges, it was 191.5 cm tall or 75.39 inches. It is sitting on Michelin 7.00 R15 tires (15 inch wheels) It was listing slightly to port at the time :-) Paul Quin Victoria, BC Canada >-----Original Message----- >From: matt [SMTP:nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 8:48 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: land rover height [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)] >matt >actually it looks kind of cool... ;) ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:13:17 -0800 > aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r< Weren't 67 Nova's known to have their rear window pop out of the frame when the body twists under the torque of a big engine?? Paul. >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com [SMTP:Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 8:10 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)] >Sideways? No doubt of that! > aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:07 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Landy Music At 05:22 PM 12/11/97, you wrote: >I don't know Fortress but I know Skrewdriver is a bit more non-PC than >Zappa. Screwdriver is (or at least used to be) a British Skinhead/Nazi That is a bit more non-PC than Zappa... And a lot more non-PC than I would ever play. [I was going to insert a nasty comment skinheads/neo-nazis and intelligence (or lack there of) but I won't, because I don't want to start a flame war on a topic that is personally distressing.] Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:41:45 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com> Subject: It's cold... Everyone wants more heat in their truck, and rightly so, but is it really that cold outside? Damn right it is and how do I know? See the latest modification - An External Temperature Gauge http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/tempgauge/ Chris Christopher A. Glaves KF4UYO '97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263 '78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40 Come see it all at --> http://www.erols.com/cglaves/rover.html ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5274716 ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Subject: Re: land rover height Yes I forgot to mention that I'm runing 7h78 or something like that, they are shorter than 7*15 tires, so I suppose if I go to 16 inch rims or higher 15" tires my ride will be even higher, maybe it will reach 7'!!! Anyway that is not my intention, I was just shocked by how high it looks now that it's getting all put together... On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Christopher H. Dow wrote: > I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires. > C ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:43:25 -0800 From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code At 08:44 AM 12/12/97, matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> wrote: :I may be wrong but I've been told its really a redish khaki, that :sometimes looks pink, at least when you are out of a desert environment, :(like the old khaki trousers the US army had that were called"pinks") :I don't think there is any specific paint # for the mix, ive seen :several pictures of desert vehicles painted in this scheme and they all :varied in hue. I think they just mix a light sand color with a bit of :red until it looks faintly pink... Matt, you're probably right. This would be the same technique as used to create a Deep Bronze Green in the green camouflage scheme for Land Rovers by mixing 4 parts Flat O.D. Green and 1 part Flat Black. SAS Pink Panther is probably a similar concoction. -Michael ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:04:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Ammeter Would whoever posted the information on the insatllation of an aux tank under their seat send it to me? I accidnetally deleted it. Thanx, William PIttman ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:03:02 -0500 Subject: Re: 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle) > aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r< Weren't 67 Nova's known to have their rear window pop out of the frame when the body twists under the torque of a big engine?? Paul. Not my BelAir, though - I seem to have this affection for land yachts..... Thatr damn BelAir weighed almost as much as a Rangie and was aqua with a black interior. They don't get much uglier than that....but it was cheap. aj"Ah, a 2-speed transmission..."r ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:20:55 -0800 From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code I had another thought on the pink panthers... I've noticed they look more pink when out of a drab brown environment than when they are in it. when they are in the desert it seems as though they are more tan, probably some optical effect. The same effect that makes the paint scheme so effective. anyway I have pics in several books of them and all the color photos seemed to be printed to favor the reddish hues, thus enhancing the pinkish effect, they may be even less pink than they seem in printed material. same effect when you appear greenish when photographed in flourescent light, it confused the developer... So your best bet would be to mix it to your own tastes, it seems thats the way a lot of camo is done in the army matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: Beavers&Winches oh my... >>I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge >>sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has >>the name >>beaver cast in the front >> If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more >>about it. >I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole... [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] >later >DaveB. So let me get this straight....The widow has a huge something or other... You're not sure if you need a winch to get the beaver? How big is huge?? Then Dave pops in with his ten foot pole, which I don't care to see. This is all very odd and disturbing. If this beaver winch does in fact work I'm sure Dave would be interested in a picture or two. Keep us all posted Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh, Pa. ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:40:41 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Tyre on bonnet I smell a new thread starting here - the pro's and cons of tyres on bonnets. Personally I think it's a matter of taste and style, rather than visibility vectors - an 88 look's (IMHO) right with a tyre on both the bonnet and the back door. I have renovated three rovers, all of which had holes in the rear door for the spare mount, all of which were placed in the lower half of the door, so if the spare is mounted, the tow-hook has to be removed - was this a "standard" bluff from solihull, or just a danish peculiarity? I've refitted mine to the top half of the door - makes locking the rear door tricky, but who locks a rover anyway? I have two thypes of bonnet mount - two with two bolts and lugs which hook over the inside of the wheel hole, and one which also has a pin which locates through one of the six bolt-holes in the wheel, and can be retained with a tractor split pin. This is much safer, as I have found the bonnet lugs work loose so that abrupt baking may shoot the spare of the 88 and onto the ford-fiasco in front - which would probably be a write-off for the ford. Now I'm going to make the pin thing for the other two. I have also wondered if a bonnet spare acts as a sort of "airbag" - any opinions out there? In the end it is a matter of beauty being in the eye of the beholder - I think a tyreless bonnet looks "wrong" - and after 15 years, I've sort of gotten used to the field of view - after all it may take a foot or two, but the sheer height of the driving seat adds an extra foot or two. And who wants to see whats 3 feet in front of the car anyway - for an effective reaction/braking time at a distance of three feet, you would have to maintain a speed not higher than 10 mph - but then, for the 88 diesel..... :) What sayeth ye all? Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:43:26 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Ammeter I don't have the circuit in my head - but there is one essential fact to remember - amperage can only be measured in series, voltage in parallel (unless you use a coil - but that's splitting hairs). So for an ammeter to read anything, it must be in series with the circuit - or is there a roverly exception which I have overseen? Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:45:38 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Ammeter Herman L. Stude wrote: > X-AIGFROM: <Mail Delivery Subsystem> > X-AIGTO: <hermans@krts.com> > X-AirNote: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:36:57 -0600 > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: hermans@krts.com > Subject: Returned Mail: Host unknown. [ truncated by list-digester (was 43 lines)] > I'm new at this stuff, anyone got any ideas, comments, etc. > Herman He's right! john and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:42:52 -0800 From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code At 01:20 PM 12/12/97, matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> wrote: :I had another thought on the pink panthers... : :I've noticed they look more pink when out of a drab brown environment :than when they are in it. when they are in the desert it seems as though :they are more tan, probably some optical effect. The same effect that :makes the paint scheme so effective. : :anyway I have pics in several books of them and all the color photos :seemed to be printed to favor the reddish hues, thus enhancing the :pinkish effect, they may be even less pink than they seem in printed :material. : :same effect when you appear greenish when photographed in flourescent :light, it confused the developer... : :So your best bet would be to mix it to your own tastes, it seems thats :the way a lot of camo is done in the army Thanks again! I heard a Panther is owned and for sale by Jim Pappas at one of the dealerships in the East. Probably many members of the Bay State Rover Club have seen it and could offer their opinion. -Michael www.landrover.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:59:46 -0800 From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles) Subject: Bryan Adams Bryan Adams drives a matt green 100" hybrid with a tuned 200TDI, 33 or 35inch tyres, difflocks and a very loud stereo. It was built by the same people who built International Off-Roader's hybrid TEW 78X. If you get hold of the Defender Gold Portfolio from Brooklands you can read an IOR test of it. It is plastered all over one of his albums, can't remember the name, which you can probably find in a decent record shop. I don't think any of his songs are about LRs but you could try "Waking up the Neighbours" for diesel owners who have to make early starts. ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:08:04 -0800 I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet. I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you *do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle... I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc. Any opinions on this? Paul Quin 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada >-----Original Message----- >From: Adrian Redmond [SMTP:121407237875@tele.dk] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 10:41 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Tyre on bonnet [ truncated by list-digester (was 65 lines)] >Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk >--------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:47:41 -0600 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: Ammeter > He's right! > john and Muddy So Muddy; I connect the goodies like Charlie said. Get the lead that goes from the starter solenoid to the rest of the truck attach it to one post on the ammeter then from the other post on the ammeter back to the starter solenoid. And, assuming all is working properly and the guage reads a drain when I start up do I reverse the two wires on the ammeter? The instructions that came with it said to do this when attaching to the alternator and starter solenoid. To get it to read properly. O.K. I'll give it a try. From the office of redundancy. Thanks ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "John McMaster" <john.chia@mail.ndirect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:01:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet > In the end it is a matter of beauty being in the eye of the beholder - I > think a tyreless bonnet looks "wrong" - and after 15 years, I've sort of > gotten used to the field of view - after all it may take a foot or two, > but the sheer height of the driving seat adds an extra foot or two. And > who wants to see whats 3 feet in front of the car anyway - for an > effective reaction/braking time at a distance of three feet, you would > have to maintain a speed not higher than 10 mph - but then, for the 88 > diesel..... :) I would never put a tyre on my bonnet. It may take out 3 foot visibilty on a flat road, but try cresting a hill off road and see what difference it makes ! Also doesn`t help I run 33/12.5s ..... john ______________________ John McMaster john@chiaroscuro.co.uk green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet Paul said: >I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you >*do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle... I like to carry a spare on the bonnet as well. I often don't though for several reasons. When off-roading I usually take it off and leave it in camp or throw it in the rear due to its limiting visibility of my right front corner and view over sharp rises, both of which are critical off-road. On the road it's fine except in hot weather (of which we have quite a lot) because it seems to restrict the airflow into the all-important cowl vents. Now that I've gone to 265/75R16 BFG MTs on the ground, I need a 7.50R16 for a spare if I'm going to carry it on the bonnet. I don't want to buy a new tire for a spare that'll probably never be used and don't think my chances of finding a used 7.50R16 are very good. It's hard enough to find one new any more. >I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must >put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc. Any >opinions on this? It definitely does. I think the rear door needs a third hinge and some reinforcement as well to handle the weight of a spare. I plan to do this eventually so I can carry a big spare when I want to that matches what's on the ground. When I do, I will certainly move the mount up enough to clear the hitch. I made a mistake doing this on another Rover. I moved the mount up what I thought was plenty. I could pull a trailer with the tire on but had to remove it every time I hitched/unhitched. On the other hand, I don't want to move it up any more than I have to because it restricts rearward vision and access to the door handle. Cheers, Granny who often carries his spare on the roof rack! ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:27:46 -0800 From: MATT <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source I found a site that sells tires for restoration and mil.surplus vehicles, I called them once about 7.5*16s and they were in the $60 range new ndt tube type... they also have 6, 7 ad 7.5* 15 last I knew they were all at good prices though I've never dealt with them. it might be a good source for a cheap spare matt oh try coker tire too for the same thing and a better web site ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:33:18 -0800 From: MATT <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source OK i'm an idiot Here is the source i meantto include in my last post... http://www.wallacewade.com/ matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com> Subject: Re:Burnout Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:54:31 +1100 Paul G. wrote: >Remember you didn't get the beast because it goes fast, looks sleek, >or attracts super models. Hell! I did. I knew I should have bought somethin' else! My Hillman doesn't and I hoped a Rover would. Regards, Ron Beckett Emu Plains, NSW, Australia '86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila) '71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual '67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto '67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: inexpensive tire source Matt, >I found a site that sells tires for restoration and mil.surplus >vehicles, I called them once about 7.5*16s and they were in the $60 >range new ndt tube type... I think you missed my point. I want a Radial 7.50x16 which is why I said 7.50R16 not 7.50x16. Thanks for the thought, all the same! Granny ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:23:01 -1000 From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Burnout > Paul G. wrote: > >Remember you didn't get the beast because it goes fast, looks sleek, > >or attracts SUPER MODELS. Somewhere in my collection of misc. Land Rover articles I have a story about a guy who charmed a super model BECAUSE he had a Land Rover. Seems she was used to being wined and dined by Ferrari types, and this guy takes her on a picnic in his Series IIA and she was totally impressed and charmed... (you can fill in the rest0 Never has happened to me, but it might (yeah and monkeys might fly out my butt). -- Wayne R. Haight Senior Fisheries Research Specialist Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research 2570 Dole Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:17:39 -0500 From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil> Subject: Tyre on Bonnet Hi All: The tyre on the bonnet helps make the LR identifiable from a greater distance on the road, but is a great disadvantage when approaching a drop off when off road. I'm ordering the bits necessary to mount it behind the bulkhead. I already have the piece that's attached to the bulkhead and is IMHO, grossly overpriced @ about $180 in the catalogs. Tom Coron King George, Va 66 IIA SWB RHD ( Slime Green ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 12 Dec 1997 16:30:04 -0400 From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu> Subject: Maine Winter Romp The dates for the Maine Winter Romp have been posted on the RN bulletin board. It's going to be 14-15 February in Unity, Maine. The point of contact for this event is Bruce Fowler at joyful@uninets.net or 207-453-9074. I've read about this thing in the RN newsletter and it looks like fun, so I'm planning to go. If anyone's interested in caravaning up there, let me know. Safety (or at least more spare parts) in numbers, and all that. I'm in CT on I-95, but we could meet up anywhere in CT, RI or eastern Massachusetts. Jeff Jackson 73 SIII 88 Waterford, CT ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:40:19 -0600 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: Tyre on Bonnet Tom Coron wrote: > Hi All: > The tyre on the bonnet helps make the LR identifiable from a > greater distance on the road, but is a great disadvantage when > approaching a drop off when off road. I'm ordering the > bits necessary to mount it behind the bulkhead. I already have > the piece that's attached to the bulkhead and is IMHO, grossly > overpriced @ about $180 in the catalogs. Tom; It's a great piece of gear if you can spare the space in the cargo area. My spare sits on the bonnet in the city and behind the bulkhead when off roading!!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihull@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:54:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Re: Series burn out cure? >>We're talking a resistance of about .25 ohms at 30-odd amps - a wire coil from a Diesel Rover would do you. Yeah! now *there's* some Rover content to go with the old P6 badge I put on the grille. Thanks Alan! Cheers!! John Dillingham near Canton, GA KF4NAS LROA #1095 73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" 72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1 Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say: Land Rovers for Agriculture! Land Rovers for Industry! Land Rovers for Recreation! Land Rovers forever!! D.V. ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:38:25 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Maine Winter Romp LT J Jackson wrote: > The dates for the Maine Winter Romp have been posted on the RN bulletin board. > It's going to be 14-15 February in Unity, Maine. The point of contact for > this event is Bruce Fowler at joyful@uninets.net or 207-453-9074. > I've read about this thing in the RN newsletter and it looks like fun, so I'm > planning to go. If anyone's interested in caravaning up there, let me know. > Safety (or at least more spare parts) in numbers, and all that. I'm in CT on [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > I-95, but we could meet up anywhere in CT, RI or eastern Massachusetts. > Jeff Jackson Jeff I've been to the Romp since it started and it's a hoot. Be sure to go. I can't convoy with you as I'll be coming from the other direction. John and Muddy ( who enjoys a good romp) ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com> Subject: Series Music!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:46:13 GMT A song just popped into my head that seems appropriate for all Series owners (and some newer LR's too probably!). It is also a great manta for Series owners to chant on just about any drive: "Keep on Running" Cheers, Mat. Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol) #=====# |___|__\___ | _ | |_ |} "(_)""""(_)" ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:16 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs At 07:52 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >I agree with this post much more than the last :") Contrary to popular opinion, I *am* human, and sometimes, for whatever reason, (tired, sick, boss looking over shoulder, working with idiots, too much/not enough "liquid" in my diet, etc.) I don't always say things exactly right. All I ask is give me the benefit of the doubt until you have a chance to ask me to clarify. I suspect this could apply to most everyone on this list, and elsewhere, for that matter... 8^) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:23 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK... At 08:06 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and >whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or I double-dog-dare anyone to accurately spot who on this list is white, black, asian, gay, straight, irish, jewish, amish, muslim, male, female, human, android, alien, or just belly-button lint. Growing up in San Francisco, I was always pretty open-minded, but never really thought about it. Then one day I met a friend face-to-face for the first time. Amy Gallagher had beautiful, long, flowing black hair, lovely skin... and a full beard and moustache. My other friend Robert had been logging on as Amy and no one knew better. What kind of body, what particular set of beliefs, where birth took place -- none of these matter by themselves. Yes, they may influence the actions of an individual, but never in the same way, and there is no way anyone can predict how someone will turn out. All you can do is listen to what someone has to say, see what they do, and base your opinions on *who* they are, not *what* they are. I have friends who are devoutly religious and friends who are strongly athiestic. I spend time with people who hug everyone, and people who can't stand touching anyone. Most importantly, on this list, we are all Land Rover Owners, and, whatever ever else we may be, we have at least that much going for us. Still, let's all remember that although we share a common love/hatred of Land Rovers, we do differ in other ways and avoid remarks that, while perhaps not intentionally hurtful, may indeed cause others to be upset. There are plenty of words out there (and we can always make more) so let's just skip the ones that are derogatory to other list members. (Yes, this is a sore subject with me -- I grew up having eggs thrown at our house and swastikas painted on our garage (yes, in San Francisco!). Judging someone by skin color, sexual preference, religion, geographic background, etc. is just plain stupid. And if you want to flame me for that, be my guest, just do it privately.) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 71 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:18 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs At 08:00 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >You know, I am sorry but this realy bothers me. I complete aggree with >what you are saying and then you insert 'rover owners'. This is a BIG >problem in my eyes. I read in a recent mag that a bunch of jeepers and I think that because this is a Land Rover mailing list, an awful lot of the posts center around Land Rovers and their owners. The original quote (which the major cut) was: "think that we (Rover owners) should think seriously about trying to put together some effort to control these IDIOTIC MORONS!!" The "idiotic morons" are the "weekend warriors" (not reservists, but the nitwits who think they're macho by tearing up trails). "We" (i.e., the people on this list) are indeed Rover Owners. I don't think Chris was saying that responsible Jeep owners shouldn't bother trying to control the idiots. I think he was just trying to say the "we" was the list-members, not "we" sierra clubbers, or whatever other "we" one might think of. >bikers banned together to save some of the moab/rubicon trails. There >were many different clubs involved with many different types of There are an awful lot of very excellent and responsible 4wd clubs (both multi-marque and single, non-lr marque) that do a lot of good. And there are a lot of LRO's who are also in those clubs. Cal4WD comes to mind (Bob & Sue Bernard) as does the Capital City Mountain Goats (? Dino Gomez, Sacto CA). They do great work. I would join, but I barely have time (or working rovers) to even go on Rover Club trips. Yes, jeep (and Jeep) clubs are great. Most jeepers are great people, responsible and environmentally conscious. But, this list is about Land Rovers, so there is a natural tendency towards discussing and favoring Land Rovers. (not to mention poking fun at Jeeps and such.) >but....I think that saving trails/our reputations is a job that we all >need to ban together to do. It's something that we need to do with other marques, as LRO's, and individually. However we do it, (and the more the merrier,) what's important is that we do it, and concentrate on letting the general public know that there are a few *idiots* out there, but most of us are okay. P.S., as for making fun of Jeeps & Jeep Owners, I'm sure they do the same to us. Atari users make fun of Commodore users who make fun of Apple users, and everyone makes fun of bosses, but nobody really means anything by it. It used to be that the Polish were fair game (my Father's hometown is now part of Poland) and now even blondes get upset about blonde jokes. I love Rovers, I like Jeeps, I own Atari's and Commodores and Apples, but heck, I even make jokes about Land Rovers. P.P.S., all that niceness above, however, does *not* apply to my brother the a**hole or his Jeep. He sucks. But he's not representative of Jeep Owners. Just A**holes. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 72 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:31 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... At 01:51 PM 12/12/97 PST, you wrote: >For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering >faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a >faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's >language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are >far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for >such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political >incorrectness doesn't hurt. [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] >referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest >4x4xFar) The implication here is that gays ("faggots") are not strong, "red blooded", tough people. That is not only completely untrue, but a rather offensive concept. I know plenty of gay men who would be happy to sweep the floor with you for such a remark. For that matter, I would think of a Land Rover as a rather effeminite off-roader, especially when compare to something like a Dodge RAM 3500 (what my sister wants.) So you "red blooded" landy owners (can anything ending in "-y" be macho?) keep in mind that in the US you're (we're) just a bunch of wimps. Now, if any of you LR owners really think you're macho, give my sister a ring and see whether or not she says you're wimpy. I'll bet y'all won't make the cut. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 73 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:35 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... At 02:00 PM 12/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >Yes, I think the reaction was a bit over the top, and I had to go back and >reread the original email to see what the complaints were on about. A lot of people who have dealt with a lot of sh*t from ingorant yutzes get even more upset when such comments come from people they consider friends. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 74 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:38 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK... At 02:14 PM 12/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England Well, the word "faggot" has quite a few definitions, but context indicated the (currently, alas) most common usage: a derogatory term for a homosexual. >proportion - we must balance the protection against offence, against the >right to free speech (something I understand they're big on in the states). Certainly, one has the right to say (and think) anything one wants. However, there are those that find certain terms and ideas unpleasant or offensive. So, the option is either 1) refrain from using terms that offend others or 2) lose the participation of those others. As this is a Land Rover list, I personally welcome the input of *everyone*, so a little more care picking words seems a small price to pay for full participation (Although a round, gravy-covered salesman is a rather funny image.) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 75 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> Subject: Re: land rover height Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:59:58 -0700 Matt, the number you need to determine is the distance between you bump stop plate on the rear axle and the bump stop. In a standard S '88 it should be approx. 5inches. From there the hight of your body will be determined by how you remounted it. Considering that you have used military springs and shackles I recomend you check you manuale. This may effect the distance I spoke of. However, Shocks will have little or no barring on ride hight unless they are too short! I feel you pain, I put new leafs all around on my SIII and have noticed the reverse of your problem. I look like an LA "low rider" sometimes. I'm told that from the factory Land Rover springs are built with an ACCEPTABLE varriance of Three inches ride hight up or down / side to side. So go figure??? Yours' K. John Wood Event Co- Solihull Society ---------- > From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: land rover height > Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 9:47 AM > could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the roof [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > matt > actually it looks kind of cool... ;) ------------------------------[ <- Message 76 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> Subject: Re: i want a winch!!!!!! Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:53:11 -0700 Dave, I liked the idea of a capstan winch as well until I was able to see one in action. I really feel that they are best for the smaller SI vehicles. As well, they are kinda" tricky to use if you are a novice wincher. You will spend a long time in the muck yourself triing to get started! I recomend the Ramsey simply for price/cost reasons. When you get to the level of Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey...unless you are runnig the Camel Trophy on a regular basis you are going to be hard pressed to notice the difference. I assume you are in the US, here you can get an 8000LB or 9000LB Ramsey unit out of a catalogue for around $400.00 with 95ft of line and a fairlead. As for mounting I would recomend you contact Frank Jakos at Concourse Cars, Colorado Springs. He has designed a mounting plate that fits right down on the fram rales and accounts for the "funny" notch in the frame. 719-473-6288 approx. $50.00 - $100.00 for the plate. Yours' K. John Wood Event Co- Solihull Society ---------- > From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com> > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: i want a winch!!!!!! > Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 4:22 PM > advice welcome on winch for my 88 lla i would like advice on capstain i like > the idea > but do not have winch experiance also am willing to buy complete unit > thanks > dave walls > 65 lla 88 (Land Chaser) ------------------------------[ <- Message 77 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:23:49 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: non-L-R; Brit Military Question Back when everyone was getting into the old gun/no gun discussion there seemed to be alot of people that had the skinny on military hardware. Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England. Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. Best, Dave in Va. PS...in re: "Gay Bashing"-If some people were a bit more sensitive and some a bit less then the world would function a bit more smoothly. (but even then, your rear X-member would still need replacing) ------------------------------[ <- Message 78 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:14:21 +0000 Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph) David Kurzman writes: [ Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the [ Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some [ type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England. [ Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British [ and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. Have you tried a dictionary? ;) It's a mirror mounted on a tripod for military signalling using sun rays -- slightly more sophisticated than a simple piece of glass or mirror. It wasn't just British; all the western nations used it, especially in sunny regions (e.g. the British in India, the Middle East, South Africa; the U.S. against the Indians in the West). By the advent of Land Rover, military signallers had come up with more sophisticated stuff. T.F. Mills tomills@du.edu http://www.du.edu/~tomills University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 79 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:23:46 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet At 11:08 AM 12/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet. Me too. >I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must >put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc. Any >opinions on this? I have seen an awful lot of doors hereabouts that have been strengthened by putting diamond plate over the back and a third hinge added in the middle. P.S., if I were really worried about the visibility, I would toss it on the roof or in the back when off-highway. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 80 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:59:20 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet, wobbly back doors and all things rusting I have rebuilt four rear doors, and they ALL had a fracture in the frame, about half way down on the hinge side - just where the "middle" hinge should be. In fact, it is reasonably easy to fit an extra hinge - I have done this on one of my Series III's - this helps incredibly. My frames were so rough around the bottom and by the fracture, that I had new profiles bent, using a thicker steel plate, which also helps. Moving the spare wheel to the top half of the bottom half of the door - as opposed to the bottom half of the bottom half (is there an easier way of saying this??) makes for a less wobbly door, as the weight is evenly distributed between the hinges, and more importantly, level with the part of the door which you grab/pull/slam - which is what actually stresses a wheel-weighted door. If the door is solid, the wheel is not too much of a problem, but if the frame is rusty, and the cladding loose, then corrosion and stress will quickly fold it in half. Seperating the aluminium (aluminum) and steel (steel) with a thick coat of rust paint, silicone mastic, self-amalgamating tape or a combination of these is a sure help to minimise corrosion between these dissimilar metals. This is a method which i have applied with all door rebuilds, and with great success - ok it takes a day to completely rebuild a single door, but it's worth it. Currently I'm looking at solutions for preventing the in-built rust which always appears on the inside, by the top hinge of the front doors top window sections. OK these are cheap to change, but the design itself has many failings - it is a rust/water/waspsnest trap beyond comprehension. I have several old door tops - must be about 4 or 5 assorted lefts amnd rights, which have failed here - I am considering rebuilding a set as spares, using a heavy rectangular tube box section instead of the folded sheet metal mess - this will also reduce the tendency to distort the outer cladding when overtightening the bolts which hold the window section onto the door, to prevent rattle. My other "favourite" rust/corrosion spot is behind the lower seat-belt mountings, where the seat-podium marries with the sill and the front of the tub. I have previously rebuilt the podium side panels, and the toolbox, with galvanised sheet steel, paying due attention to separation where the new galv. meets the old aluminium. So far (5 years) no problem. I think that water and dirt is an essential contribution to the dissimilar metal problem - so moving the junction between these opposite poles to a less damp and dirty fold does help. A final note on panelling - the famous floor panels, which always fray at the edges, have been replaced on 2 of my trucks with aluminium (6mm) chequered deck plating - makes for less rattle, much slower corrosion (due to a tube or three of silicon between the floorplate and the steel faces) - though the heavier metal does get warmer from the exhaust - a distict bonus in the winter and a drawback in the few summer days where Denmark gets a dose of real summer. The difference in heat between drivers side and passenger side is really noticeable. So how about a new thread - "my favourite rust/corrosion spot on a series - and the proven cure" cheers Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 81 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:03:47 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet At 1.90 metres with a driving seat which doesn't resemble a hospital mattress, I have to duck my head to see out of the window, so the hill crest which is obscured by my spare wheel needs to be on something like a 65 degree gradient. But then - like John I would never carry a spare tyre on the bonnet of my Massey Ferguson - even if it is green and purple. :) Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 82 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:07:04 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph) David Kurzman writes: [ Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the [ Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some [ type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England. [ Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British [ and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. Have you tried a dictionary? ;) It's a mirror mounted on a tripod for military signalling using sun rays -- slightly more sophisticated than a simple piece of glass or mirror. It wasn't just British; all the western nations used it, especially in sunny regions (e.g. the British in India, the Middle East, South Africa; the U.S. against the Indians in the West). By the advent of Land Rover, military signallers had come up with more sophisticated stuff. T.F. Mills Not in my dictionary. And hey, Thanks alot! I knew someone would know this one. Best, Dave PS...My imagination had conjured up some type of carbon arc spotlights beaming Morse code off of the clouds as the Martian tripods devastate the English countryside. I can hear the Martians now (in reference to their magnificent tripod engines of destruction); "You want 'off-road', Buddy, I got your 'off-road' hanging!" (as the Black Smoke flows). ------------------------------[ <- Message 83 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:17:32 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Tyres on back doors and other towhook tricks The trick to maintaining rear door handle access behind a door-mounted spare wheel, is having a standoff (stood-off?) wheel - the wheel actually covers the lock and handle when viewed from behind, but the stand-off gives adequate room for a hand or two, as it's just where tyre wall "curves". I don't know if my rear door mount is standard stuff, or just a locally built gizmo, but its a thick (6mm) steel plate which matches the space between the door ribs, with three long threaded studs which protrude rearwards through the door. On the outside is a similar plate with matching holes. Sandwiched between the two is a rubber "gasket on both sides, siliconed to prevent it stiocking to the paint. The whole shabang is held together by a steel loop which looks like a "U" bolt, and which goes through the centre of the wheel mount and through the plates. The plates are also fixed, sandwiching the frame ribs and cladding, with 16 x 1/4" bolts. The three studs have inverted lug nuts which allow controll of the distance between door and tyre, and 3 lug nuts which hold the tyre on. Between inside nuts and wheel is a circular steel plate with three countersunk holes for the inside lugnuts, and a big hole in the middle for the u-bolt, which sticks out and is useful for supporting the wheel when mounting it. A LR wheel cover completes the job. I decided to change my tow-hook arrangement, and bought a welsh gizmo which is popular here in Denmark - which allows the hook to be moved up or down between 5 different heights, or even taken off and put inside to prevent theiving. the hook sits on a heavy galv, U-channel, which is held to a heavy bracket on the cross-member by a thick peg with a split pin to keep it in. It is really easy to buy/make new U-plates, so you can have different hooks - I am making one which can use a pin drop - like on a tractor - so I can move my farm trailer with a rover. I also have plans to make a special low-angle camera-platform and cameramans seat, so I can mount a TV camera off the back of a LR, using the tow-hith mount and the semi-redundant hinges for the rear-pickup flap. Not so legal on the road but worth it for a good shot, and better than my present method, which involves a lot of arm-work and hanging out of the rear. Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 84 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Lightweight music Trevor Easton wrote: >I have noticed that one album from Bryan Adams is adorned with a somewhat >recognizable 5 stud wheel. One of his almums or rather, CD's (dating myself here), has a half dozen shots of his D-90. He drove one of the "milestone" vehicles (#2,500,000??) off the assembly line at Solihull. (Got a photo of it somewhere.) The blokes on the assembly line in the background seemed a whole lot happier to see him than one of the usual ministry dignitaries that usually does such honors. Cheers *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------[ <- Message 85 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:44:56 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question David Kurzman wrote: > Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the > Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some A signal mirror on a tripod stand. Military designation: Heliograph, Sun Powered, Signalling, for the purpose of. Batteries not included ;-) Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine http://Adventures.co.za ------------------------------[ <- Message 86 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:52:55 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet Paul Quin wrote: > I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet. > I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you > *do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle... > I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must > put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc. Any > opinions on this? [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)] > >Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk > >--------------------------------------------------- The spare mounted directly on the safari door is death to the hinges (even on the Defenders with the extra hinge). Much better idea is to manufacture a gate which you can secure directly to the frame at the bottom and the (galvanised) support at the top - use an anti-loose pin to close it on the other side of the door. Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine http://Adventures.co.za ------------------------------[ <- Message 87 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:04:17 -1000 From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Subject: Re: keep the screen. The screen at the end of the tube keeps large pieces from getting sucked into the lines and clogging the pickup. Be sure that the screen is allowing gas to pass, however. Mine seemed to have grown a fungi that clogs them. I destroyed mine trying to get the gunk off. Had to live with largish rust flakes clogging the dip tube until they were all sucked up. Screen does nothing for the fine gunk which causes havoc further down the line. Aloha Peter ------------------------------[ <- Message 88 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:25:35 -1000 From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell) Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question The heliograph is a signaling device that was used slightly after or during the civil war and during the indian war era. It was a mirror set on a tripod and flashed the mores code. It was of course most effective in the desert sw and was very effective. I have seen archive photographs that showed a signal corp team on a mesa in NM using the heliograph. It hink the effective distance was about 30 miles ona good sunny day. Roy 50 Military History Det. ------------------------------[ <- Message 89 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz> Subject: Speedo problems Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:32:28 +1300 A friend of mine owns a 1973 series 3. He has a problem with the speedo it is the second one he has had fitted and has developed the same problem. What happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work normally for a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated Cheers.... Tom Dixon ZL2UPG 79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces) tomd@clear.net.nz ------------------------------[ <- Message 90 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:38:36 +0800 (WST) From: Tony Yates <tonyy@pilbara.wa.bom.gov.au> Subject: Re: Speedo problems On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Tom Dixon wrote: > A friend of mine owns a 1973 series 3. He has a problem with the speedo it > is the second one he has had fitted and has developed the same problem. What > happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work > normally for a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated > Cheers.... Tom Dixon Sounds like a Genuine Part to me... #8-> ------------------------------[ <- Message 91 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:03:34 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> Subject: Re: Speedo problems Tom Dixon wrote: > What > happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work > normally for a while. There are several possibilities. 1. If the speedo is a secondhand unit it might need internal cleaning. "Grease solidification" in the mechanism can cause that. 2. The speedo cable could be loose at either end or kinked. 3. The worm gear at the rear output shaft could either be bad or loose. Re shimming of the rear output could cure it. cheers Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 92 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:36:57 EST Subject: O/D tool Status Hi to all that expressed an interest in the mainshaft nut (O/D) removal tool. I am compiling an Email address list so I can keep you individually updated. Today I delivered the loaner tool from BP and mainshaft nut to the machinists who will be making the tool. They have a small machine shop in Chatsworth, California (Northwest San Fernando Valley) and will be doing the work themselves. They will let me know next week about construction, pricing, and delivery, and I will pass along the information to you. I will also give you the name & telephone number of the guy to contact to order the tool, as they don't have Email. I will not be directly involved in any arrangements for ordering or delivery of the tools, as I am basically just another customer trying to facilitate getting a tool of my own. I have had these people work on my own laboratory equipment at my company and found their work to be of good quality. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 "Red Rufy" '95 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 93 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:09:10 -0800 Just for those of you out ther who are wondering what KMFDM is... It is a fairly underground industrial/techno rock band generally listened to by the older of the generation-Xrs out there like myself. NPR as many of you stated is national Public Radio. Cheers, Charles '97D90#1927 ------------------------------[ <- Message 94 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971213 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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