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1 | Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea | 13 | A Little Lightweight Music |
2 | Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea | 17 | ECR etc |
3 | "S. Vels" [dko5319@vip.c | 19 | Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder! |
4 | NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> | 19 | Re: ECR etc |
5 | "Alain-Jean PARES" [Info | 16 | Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder! |
6 | Mark Sullivan [marks@dat | 7 | Urgent ! |
7 | "Tackley, John" [jtackle | 34 | RE: Brake advise/support? |
8 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 9 | Re: Urgent ! |
9 | Roland Klein [klein@bond | 13 | Charging problems |
10 | "Tackley, John" [jtackle | 18 | RE: Brake advise/support? |
11 | Andy Phillips [AnPi@nors | 23 | RE: Urgent ! |
12 | "Davies, Scott" [sdavies | 24 | Re: ECR etc |
13 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 79 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
14 | NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> | 16 | Re: Brake advise/support? |
15 | Nick Fankhauser [nickf@c | 41 | Voltage drop resistor (Tangental LR Content) |
16 | Chuque Henry [ChuqueH@is | 16 | New LR vs. Old Dependability |
17 | DEFENDER@ibm.net | 21 | Re: Landy Music |
18 | kelliott@intranet.ca (Ke | 21 | RE: Brake advise/support? |
19 | "Tackley, John" [jtackle | 21 | RE: Brake advise/support? |
20 | "ERIK BARR" [019542b@rel | 17 | Re: Burn-Out Cure music |
21 | Paul Oxley [paul@adventu | 30 | Re: Burn-Out Cure music |
22 | "barnett childress" [bar | 37 | re: New LR vs. Old Dependability |
23 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 9 | Re: Burn-Out Cure music |
24 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 84 | Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability |
25 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 38 | Re: The generation gap |
26 | ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za | 12 | Re: Landy Music |
27 | "Davies, Scott" [sdavies | 18 | Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability |
28 | Adrian Redmond [12140723 | 28 | Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability |
29 | bcw6@cornell.edu | 30 | Re: Brake advise/support? |
30 | "K. John Wood" [jwrover@ | 36 | Re: Hand Crank? |
31 | john cranfield [john.cra | 10 | Re: The generation gap |
32 | "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" [ | 15 | Re: Charging problem |
33 | "Chris Dillard"[cdillard | 14 | NPR |
34 | "Spencer K. C. Norcross" | 22 | Re: Burn-Out Cure music |
35 | "Chris Dillard"[cdillard | 22 | a bunch of sierra club bs |
36 | Michael Carradine [cs@la | 17 | SAS Pink Panther Colour Code |
37 | Paul Nash [paul@frcs.alt | 26 | Various 110 TDi recommendations needed |
38 | Uncle Roger [roger@sinas | 17 | Re: Landy Music |
39 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 10 | Re: Landy Music and Uncle Meathead |
40 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 10 | Re: Landy Music and Uncle Meathead |
41 | "PCG" [pcg@tennis.org> | 17 | Of Cat Sh*t, Burnout, and Sierra Clubs |
42 | "Chala, Richard Justin - | 34 | Flash from past (parabolic springs), brakes, Castrol |
43 | debrown@srp.gov | 31 | IIa transmission troubles... |
44 | "M.Gaines" [MikeGaines1@ | 34 | RE: Dog music cure anf Freelander |
45 | "Chris Dillard"[cdillard | 12 | CB Mount RR |
46 | SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com | 15 | What Sierra Club posting? |
47 | Todd [tad@selway.umt.edu | 14 | Rear Door |
48 | john cranfield [john.cra | 19 | Re: Dog music cure anf Freelander |
49 | David Kurzman [kurzman@i | 23 | Re: Landy Music |
50 | RykRover [RykRover@aol.c | 15 | Re: New LR vs. Old Dependability |
51 | RykRover [RykRover@aol.c | 16 | Re: Freelander post(OFFENSIVE) |
52 | gpool@pacific.net (Granv | 31 | Re: CB Mount RR |
53 | DHW4U [DHW4U@aol.com> | 13 | i want a winch!!!!!! |
54 | john cranfield [john.cra | 23 | Re: Landy Music |
55 | "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" [ | 6 | subscribe real time |
56 | Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum | 31 | Re: i want a winch!!!!!! |
57 | Solihull@aol.com | 24 | Re:Burnout |
58 | Winn Bearden [wbearden@a | 23 | Re: A Little Lightweight Music |
59 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 31 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
60 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 75 | Re: a bunch of sierra club bs |
61 | chrisste@clark.net (Chri | 22 | Sputtering Along |
62 | "Charles Morris" [scimg@ | 24 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
63 | SFmms [SFmms@aol.com> | 17 | Series LR Music |
64 | "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b | 26 | Re: Series burn out cure? |
65 | Terje Krogdahl [tekr@nex | 27 | Re: Rover music |
From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: A Little Lightweight Music Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:35:00 -0500 Ignorant of the finer nuances of musical appreciation, I have noticed that one album from Bryan Adams is adorned with a somewhat recognizable 5 stud wheel. Maybe this album has something appropriate. At least the case could be displayed prominently. Perhaps Bryan as an LRO is lurking out there on this list. Let us know your suggestions if you are. My personal suggestions lean towards Brass Bands though neither Miss Golightly or Flossie have a radio so it's somewhat academic. ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: ECR etc Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:58:00 -0500 Ron Beckett wrote "One comment I must make is that in all the years I've been going to doctors, they've never given me a free consultation about a problem they hadn't diagnosed correctly first time. I've always had to pay for all consultations. They *do not* give warranties and they often get it wrong. And the models they work on haven't changed in thousands of years." And what about dentists. The filling they put in a tooth yesterday, falls out today and they'll charge you tomorrow to replace it. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "S. Vels" <dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:07:51 +0001 Subject: Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder! > >P.S., The brits did make computers -- Anyone remember the Sinclair ZX81? Or > >Amstrad (I've got two Amstrads (and another coming from Oz) in my collection > >and would love a Sinclair QL!) Had one. Sold it to my brither and got a ZX Spectrum. 48k. Was saving up for a QL (very expensive). I would have had Microdrives if i had the money. The world was divided i two in those days. ZX81/Spectrum vs. VIC20/C64. Commodore types really sucks, don't they?. rgds sv/aurens New address: dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:24:51 EST Subject: Re: ECR etc In a message dated 97-12-11 05:54:01 EST, you write: << One comment I must make is that in all the years I've been going to doctors, they've never given me a free consultation about a problem they hadn't diagnosed correctly first time. I've always had to pay for all consultations. They *do not* give warranties and they often get it wrong. And the models they work on haven't changed in thousands of years. >> Yea, all true but they don't have any say over quality control during production. ; ) Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:27:47 +0100 >Had one. Sold it to my brither and got a ZX Spectrum. 48k. Was saving >up for a QL (very expensive). I would have had Microdrives if i had >the money. The world was divided i two in those days. ZX81/Spectrum >vs. VIC20/C64. Commodore types really sucks, don't they?. I still have my QL,with an external 3"1/2 drive and lot of software... Didn't boot it for years. Alain-Jean PARES Fontainebleau, FRANCE LR and Psion Series III ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com> Subject: Urgent ! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:35:00 -0500 Anyboy have a spare 16" rim for sale or know where to get one. I desperately need one for a spare! ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> Subject: RE: Brake advise/support? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:59 -0500 Rob, My sugggestion is to perform a pressure bleed of the system. Get a new, fat bicycle inner tube. Cut it opposite the valve. Tie one end on a tight knot. Stretch the other end over the open M/C opening. Pump the tube up slightly(5-8 lbs.) with a hand pump. Bleed left rear first by just cracking the bleed screw slightly, with some clear tubing into a clear container. When air bubbles stop appearing in the tube at the bleed screw, tighten. Check M/C fluid level and refill if less than 1/2 full. Repeat for right rear, then right front and last left front. Make absolutely sure each set of drums are adjusted right/tight. By hand you should just, just barely be able to turn the drum w/o wheel attached. If that doesn't do it, then the problem is in the M/C or the pedal adjustment. John Tackley Richmond, VA >---------- >From: car4doc[SMTP:car4doc@concentric.net] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 10:43 PM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Brake advise/support? [ truncated by list-digester (was 31 lines)] >Regards, >Rob Davis_chicago ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Urgent ! Where are you? If you're around Boston i have one or so I can lend you. Alan ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Roland Klein <klein@bond.net> Subject: Charging problems Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 09:00:43 PST I had the same problem on my recently rebuilt '68 series 2A. The charging light would come on and stay on. Since I had just had the generator rebuilt, I took it back and they just adjusted the voltage regulator. 15 minutes and $10.00 later everything worked great. I would'nt trust a factory setting to function properly. Good luck. Roland Klein 1968 Series IIA 88" Station Wagon ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> Subject: RE: Brake advise/support? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:52:12 -0500 AND also, I echo the comment about the top brake springs... If you have them connected shoe to shoe (as almost ALL american vehicles do) you will have no pedal on the first pump -- forever. The springs MUST be connected from the stud on the leading shoe to the stud on the backing plate behind the trailing shoe. (Also make sure you don't have the leading/trailing shoes reversed) The trailing shoe has no spring connected at top; its just flops there! (And has to be muscled in when replacing the drum). Do use some suitable grease (silicone works well and stays put) on the bottom pivots. >John Tackley >Richmond, VA ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk> Subject: RE: Urgent ! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:51:25 -0000 Yup. Got five 5.5x16 standard Land Rover steel wheels for sale if anyone wants them. 2 have firestones on them, 2 have michelins on them and the final one has a remould tire you would only consider as a spare (good but low tread). I am in the UK which might put them out of some people's reach! Anybody interested? Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sullivan [SMTP:marks@dataflowsys.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:35 PM > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Urgent ! [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)] > Anyboy have a spare 16" rim for sale or know where to get one. I > desperately need one for a spare! ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: Re: ECR etc Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 13:56:00 PST And where does 'quality control' fit into a discussion of Land Rovers? :-) Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ---------- In a message dated 97-12-11 05:54:01 EST, you write: << One comment I must make is that in all the years I've been going to doctors, they've never given me a free consultation about a problem they hadn't diagnosed correctly first time. I've always had to pay for all consultations. They *do not* give warranties and they often get it wrong. And the models they work on haven't changed in thousands of years. >> Yea, all true but they don't have any say over quality control during production. ; ) Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:03:23 -0500 Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs First, bitching does work..if you bitch to the right people. Secondly. I am also tired of hearing people on this list talk down to jeepers. A 4x4 is a 4x4 and we all share a common interest. I know of many jeep clubs that do trail maintenance and work to keep trails open. I have yet to open a mag and se "LRO groups ban together to keep trails open" (in the US anyway). I am not downing any one on this list or any rover owners period. I do, however, think that it is ignorant of you to state that jeepers are the problem. And no, I do not think that the vehicle you drive determines your off/on road manners. Uncle Roger wrote: > At 08:40 AM 12/10/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I just want to thank whoever made the post of the Sierra club. I > have > Hmmm... Musta missed it. > >people but I am sick and tired of all these trail mixers bitching and > >whining about wheelers tearing up dirt roads. How many of you [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)] > including in the city, of course.) > Unfortunately, not everyone with a four-wheel-drive vehicle is an LRO. Unfortunately, this is an ignorant statement. You do not have to have a Rover to be a 'good' offroader. > Heck, most aren't even serious 4-wheelers -- my idiot brother with his > Jeep > Cherokee, ferinstance. These weekend wannabes run out of football to > watch > so they jump in their cherokee and zip off to the nearest bit of > unspoiled > land and try to look like the guys in the superbowl commercials. That is unfortunate, however, not everyone is like that and the same can be said for some LRO's. > This is what *does* do serious damage to undeveloped areas. > Unfortunately, > many of those who care about these areas don't take the time to > differentiate between idiots who don't care about destroying > everything so > long as they can get their truck muddy and people like LRO's who come > home > with more trash than they left with. Not all of them. You seem to have blinders on when it comes to people that own land rovers. > >where this is ruining the Earth...NOT. Personally, I think they need > to > >come down off of the mountain and wake up to the real ecological > dangers > >that we face. > For many Sierra Clubbers (like myself) the problem is not an > ecological one [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)] > get lumped in with the idiots (just as we may lump all Sierra Clubbers > together.) Some LRO's are idiots. Some Jeepers are idiots. You can not base it on the behicle of choice. > Of course, there are extremists in the Sierra Club (I know one guy who > thinks anyone who owns a mountain bike is pure evil, even if they > never ride > it anywhere *near* dirt) but most are not, and many even drive 4WD's. > Btw, the SC policy on off-highway vehicles corresponds (as I > For many Sierra Clubbers (like myself) the problem is not an > ecological one [ truncated by list-digester (was 46 lines)] > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:00:19 EST Subject: Re: Brake advise/support? In a message dated 97-12-11 08:55:42 EST, you write: << Do use some suitable grease (silicone works well and stays put) on the bottom pivots. >> Um, let's say, hypothetically of course, that one did not grease the pivots-- what sort of issue/problem would one, hypothetically of course, run into? Just hypothetically curious, Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:14:19 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us> Subject: Voltage drop resistor (Tangental LR Content) John- There's an easier way! (see the end) but just FYI here is how you would figure it out: The formulas you need to figure this are: Volts= Amps times Ohms Watts = Volts times Amps plugging in the values, 50W/6V = 8.3333 Amps through each glowplug, so 6Volts/8.3333Amps=.72 Ohms per Glowplug So all of the glowplugs together in parallel are: (I'm assumning 4 cyl) .72/4= .18 Ohms, and 50*4 = 200Watts To divide voltage, put the same resistance in series, so you need about .18 Ohms at 200 watts. A 200 watt resistor might be hard to find- the problem with using a resistor in this way is that your voltage dropping resistor will be dissipating the same amount of heat as your glowplugs. **An easier way to handle this would be to re-wire these into two pairs of series wired plugs, thusly: /-----[6V Plug]-----[6V Plug]-----\ 12V-----< >------Ground \-----[6V Plug]-----[6V Plug]-----/ This *does* have one drawback- when one plug burns out, two of them quit working, but if you're aware of this, diagnosis is simple when it happens. -NickF Nick Fankhauser |Wayne County Information Systems Department NickF@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco http://www.infocom.com/~nickf ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com> Subject: New LR vs. Old Dependability Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:12:31 -0600 I'm looking at a new job where I will commute, and am thinking of getting a D90 to replace my '70 IIA 88". I would be putting a lot of miles on it, and was wondering if it would take it and be as reliable as my old Series. I love my Rover and am willing to pay for obscene amounts of gas to have a nice one to drive every day. (Do they really only get 11 mpg on the highway?) Thanks in advance. Also, if anyone is interested in my Rover (blue, overdrive, safari top) I am selling for $6,000. Write for more details. -Q ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEFENDER@ibm.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Landy Music NPR is national public radio and KMFDM is an abbreviation for some german term. john cranfield wrote: > DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote: > > I find that I like listening to some good Ministry, KMFDM, or the > like > > when off roading, NPR when going to or from work, and Blues when I > am > > with my girl friend. > I know I am seriously showing my advancing age but what is a KMFDM [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > a NPR ? > John and Muddy ( who only understands Initials like LR and RR) ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott) Subject: RE: Brake advise/support? >My sugggestion is to perform a pressure bleed of the system. >Get a new, fat bicycle inner tube. Cut it opposite the valve. Tie one >end on a tight knot. Stretch the other end over the open M/C opening. >Pump the tube up slightly(5-8 lbs.) with a hand pump. >John Tackley >Richmond, VA >end on a tight knot. Stretch the other end over the open M/C opening. Now that is definitly an interesting concept for pressure bleeding brakes that I will have to try soon :) Keith 1961 Series II 88" Ottawa ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> Subject: RE: Brake advise/support? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:38:21 -0500 Nate, Well, aahhh, um, let's see, if the pivots and shoes were to RUST SOLID, well, er, I guess the fr***ing shoes wouldn't be able to pivot! Non-hypethetically they would be non-pivital! Which, er, of course, is exactly what we expect from a Series Rover... Um, right??? Would give good solid pedal, though, Eh? (Maybe this is a good thing...;>)) Suggest you drive often; stop frequently, and avoid wading or driving in the rain. That should keep those pivots pivoting. >Um, let's say, hypothetically of course, that one did not grease the pivots-- >what sort of issue/problem would one, hypothetically of course, run into? >Just hypothetically curious, >Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "ERIK BARR" <019542b@relay.acadiau.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:45:00 +0400 Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure music I have a friend out in Alberta who wrote and recorded a song called "My car loves my mechanic" which is all about the love affair that her car is having with the local garage. In it the car is "dropping parts she never had before" so she could get to the garage to have the mechanic "stroke her pistons and caress her valves" etc. (not to mention what he want's to do with her body). I could see if she would let me make a sound file of it and send it individually to people if you are interested. It is quite appropriate for a series owner. Erik and TARDIS ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:45:51 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure music ERIK BARR wrote: > I have a friend out in Alberta who wrote and recorded a song called > "My car loves my mechanic" which is all about the love affair that > her car is having with the local garage. In it the car is "dropping > parts she never had before" so she could get to the garage to have > the mechanic "stroke her pistons and caress her valves" etc. (not to > mention what he want's to do with her body). I could see if she > would let me make a sound file of it and send it individually to [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > owner. > Erik and TARDIS Hi Erik, If you get that sound file, send it to me and I'll put it on my Landy Doodads page so everyone that wants can pick it up there. Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine http://Adventures.co.za ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 9:27:53 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re: New LR vs. Old Dependability <Chuque Henry asks about commuting in a new 90> I have a 95 D90 soft top. I commute 75 miles a day on the highway. Truck will be 3 years old in May of 98. I already have 60K miles on her with no problems. So far the 90 has been very reliable as a daily driver. I'm a stickler for keeping up with the regular maintenance. I halved the recommended service interval times in the owners manual because the truck sees a lot of heavy off roading on most of the more serious trails here in New England. As far as a new LR being more dependable/as dependable as a series...tough to say. Some have had their problems. As with purchasing anything new...ya takes yer chances. Reliability, probably has more to do with preventative maintenance over time than anything else, after you get production build problems worked out if any, IMHO. I find the 90 very comfortable to drive everyday. Even traveling from Sturbridge MASS to ROAV rally in VA. this year was no problem (about 1300 miles round trip). For mileage I've been averaging about 15MPG. Not to bad when you think about a V8, full time 4WD, and 33" tires. Cheers, Barnett ________ Reply Separator ______ > From: "Chuque Henry" <ChuqueH@isco.com>, on 12/11/97 9:12 AM: ------------- [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)] > -Q > ^A ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:54:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure music Love to hear it! aj"I AM my car's mechanic!"r ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:12:09 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability Difficult to answer in absolute terms - but I'll try... When I bought my 109 in 1984 it was 8 yrs old, and when I bought my 88 in 1985 it was 7 years old. For the first three to five years, i treated them like "newish" cars, didn't really interest myself for the rover details, ran them into the ground, and received a proportionate unreliability - I think they cost more to run, repair and equip in those first years, even though they were "newish" Series III's In about 1990 I began to take rovering seriously, starting with the 88 which, being prepared for a film job in Iceland was totally overhaulled and rebuilt, following in 1993 by a similar refit on the 109. Such a rebuild, as many on the list will confirm, actually restores much of the "wearable" parts to factory condition, whilst bodywork repairs, in my humb.op. render better than factory spec results - hand painting the chassis with several coats of rust pain, followed by several coats of hardened marine enamel, will always give a better cover than the quick-lick of the solihull variety. Similarly, many bodywork bits and pieces, fittings, and wiring, when done by the enthusiast, can be accomplished at a higher quality level - if we spend a few more quid on each car, its only a few more quid, whereas the factory, if it can save a few quid on each car.... get my drift? So - in theory, a well maintained Series truck, which has been in the owners loving care for several years, and which has been through the obligatory major open-heart surgery, is potentially more reliable than the six or seven year old shiny, well washed but not lovingly maintained Defender. OK some of the defender parts are newer technology, but not all new technology (in cars or any other industry) is put there for the benefit of the owner - usually its major purpose is to simplify manufacture and reduce costs. Generally I would opine that the Defender, whilst being an attractive idea with its bigger more powerful motor, power steering, and in some cases EFI, is a better ride, but this is acheived at the expense of the not so subtle essentiality of the LR marque - hear-wearing, proven and efficient simplicity. The enigine is the case in point - a 2.25 diesel (or petrol) is one of the most reliable power units on the road today - it may be deficient emmission wise, power wise, acceleration wise, but it is simple, and most repairs can be accomplished by the eager owner without complicated tools. A TDi or V8 is another matter - it takes a week (!) to remove all the tubes, levers, hoses, pipes and flashybits, just to get to the guts, and many special tools are necessary - tuning easily becomes outside the province of the owner (eager or not). The same is probably the case for comparing a VW bug or a golf, with a BMW or a Jaguar - only here the name is the same. But they are different beasts, and upgrading for power and comfort has its price - it is a matter of what you want and what you are prepared to pay for. Unless you are travelling many motorway miles a day, I don't see the major gains of the newer engine, comuter traffic and speed regulations usually imply that the latent power of the more modern vehicle remains, for the most part, a latent asset which rarely is realised. So its down to feelings, charm, and romantic ideas about rovering - I'd stick to the simple, pop-rivet repairable Series anyday - but then my wife would probably not refuse a defender if she discovered it outside the door one morning. Hope this clarifies the issue????? :) Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:15:48 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: The generation gap Heres a quickie - on the back of the lucas generator (SIII) are three terminals coming directly off the rectifier... ---------- I I I I I --- ------- the first two are thick spade terminals, and the last is thin, and I think the last goes to the red charge light. The other two seem to be common? All must therefore be some version of positive (on a negative earth truck) and the negative is the chassis. What voltage should be measured from these terminals when the engine is running? Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:45:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Landy Music Why don't you all just get little diesels - then there is no need for music, 'cause the engine makes its own music to which you can sit and listen hours on end! - Iwan Vosloo ( 1975 SIII Diesel ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 16:05:00 PST > hand painting the chassis with several coats of rust pain, Yep hand painting the chassis is a 'pain':-) >acheived at the >expense of the not so subtle essentiality of the LR marque - >hear-wearing, proven and efficient simplicity. ^^^^^^^^^^^ An unusual way of saying they're noisy:-) Freudian slips with the spelling me thinks. Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:25:07 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk> Subject: Re: Defenderbility vs. Dependability Sorry folks, quite correctly spotted by Scott Davies.. here's the missing letters, you'll have to install them yourselves... t d its been a long day at the qwerty! Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: bcw6@cornell.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:27:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Brake advise/support? Strangely enough, my brakes have been doing exactly the same thing(1966 swb). I have been living with it since I don't have facilities to work on it where I am. Here's what is happening: I replaced everything(cylinders, adjusters, shoes, drums, lines, master) about 2 years ago. Brakes worked great. I never paid much attention to adjusting them and they worked fine. A few months ago, a hub seal blew out and dumped oil all over the front shoes and the brakes started pulling hard, so I rebuilt the front axle and replaced the shoes and cylinders(the bleed screws had corroded beyond repair) Upon reasssembly I had the same problem mentioned before. The brakes seem to be badly out of adjustment, but I can crank all the way up on the adjusters and it does not help. I checked the obvious things such as loose pivots and spring setup, and all seems to be ok. The only thing I can think of is the master cylinder. Any ideas???!! Thanks! Braman 66 IIA 88" petrol ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> Subject: Re: Hand Crank? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:26:30 -0700 Jesse, Do yourself a favor and just order one from Paddock or Craddock. It is cheap and easy to get stuff like that from England! John ---------- > From: Jesse Easudes <jessee@FRC2.FRC.RI.CMU.EDU> > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Hand Crank? > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 3:00 PM > Maybe the cold weather has me worried about getting started [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > so > does anyone out there have one that i could get a picture of or drawings of? > I would like to fabricate my own. > When i finally manage it, i will be more than happy to post the results. > I really get the looks for sitting on the "right" side of the truck but i > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 3:00 PM > Maybe the cold weather has me worried about getting started imagine hand cranking it will draw a bit of attention as well. > Thanks, > Jesse Easudes > '73 Triumph Daytona ( 2wheel Lucas Vehicle) > '60 88 with Truck Cab& 3/4 canvas (4wheel Lucas Vehicle) > Maybe the cold weather has me worried about getting started ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:56:16 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: The generation gap the voltage should 13.5 to 14.5 and by the way that generator is in fact an alternator. A generator would have a regulator sitting up on the bulkhead and is a different shape. John and Muddy (who doesn't have a regular regulator but has one inside the Delco alternator) ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:17:29 +0000 From: "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" <teddy@javanet.com> Subject: Re: Charging problem O.K., to follow up yesterday's question about my charging system, I know (think) that the dynamo is charging because I tested the two wires (field and dynamo wires?) with a 12 volt light tester. Is this good enough or do I need to get my hands on a multimeter to test actual voltage/amps, etc.? Obviously I want to see if I can solve this problem myself before towing it to my friend at the garage. P.S. I am sure that the bulb on the dash and the belt are in working order so that's eliminated. Thanks! -Ted Treanor -'62, 88" IIA ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:36:04 -0500 Subject: NPR Just for the record NPR is National Public Radio. I'm under 26 and even know what these stand for. The other however is beyond me. Personally I need some TOOL playing (somewhat appropriate huh?)or either some Flatt & Scruggs B-Grass. Chris 91 RR County 71 Ser IIA 109 SW (x-mas wish list) ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:48:56 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure music Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > Love to hear it! > aj"I AM my car's mechanic!"r and its carpenter ;-) rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:56:04 -0500 Subject: a bunch of sierra club bs I have to agree with Uncle Roger and it is my opinion that the "Weeken Warrior 4x4 (ie Explorer,Tahoe, etc,etc) seem to make things bad for those who practice envrionmantally friendly offroading. I think that the only reason that we get the brunt of most of the environmentalist "WACKOS" is because we are easy targets. To unorganized in certian respects to do anything about their attacks and we usually just complain among ourselves in stead of take a public stance. I am just as guilty of this as anyone. I think that we (Rover owners) should think seriously about trying to put together some effort to control these IDIOTIC MORONS!! Or eventually the only offroading that will be done by anyone is drivinh aroung in our own yards!! ( i guess that's as much off road as some do anyway) Like my mom always use to say "one bad apple can ruin the whole barrell." Chris 91 RR County 71 SER IIA 109 SW (X-mas wish list) ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:54:12 -0800 From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> Subject: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code [ Let me send your question to the Land Rover list. ] [ -Michael ] I'm trying to find the colour code for the pink desert camo used by the SAS Pink Panther rovers. Do you know this code or where I might be able to get it? Thanks Marc Franz <mfranz@mtt.ca> ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:28:12 +0200 From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za> Subject: Various 110 TDi recommendations needed I have ust bought a new 1995 110 TDi, and need some help with a few issues: 1) The owners manual talks about the oil requirements of everything expect the R380 gearbox and 300 TDi motor. The previous owner (as far as I know) has been using ATF fluid in the gearbox and SAE90 in the transfer case, plus a synthetic oil in the engine. Any ideas about what the factory recommends? Any personal recommendations? 2) I'm thinking of getting a turbo oil feeder (one of those devices that keeps pumping oil into the turbo for 3 minutes after switching off). Has anyone got any ideas about whether they are worthwhile? 3) The camshaft belt will need replacing soon, and I'm thinking of getting a Zeus gear conversion. Again, has anyone looked into this, and if so, is it worthwhile, expensive, noisy, a Good Thing, a Bad Thing? Any and all comments and suggestions welcome, about the above and about anything else that may take your fancy. paul ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:59:01 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com> Subject: Re: Landy Music At 02:22 PM 12/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >what about"skrewdriver" or "Fortress"? not wimpy or PC at all... Speaking of not-necessarily-PC, how about Frank Zappa's "Montana" for those days when SBU hits? "Movin' to Montana soon / Gonna be a dental floss tycoon..." Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:22:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Landy Music and Uncle Meathead Gonna ride your Pygmy Rover down by the dental-floss trees with the rhinestone-encrusted tweezers? aj"Gonna dig out those albums tonight...8*) ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:34:58 -0600 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: Landy Music and Uncle Meathead > Gonna ride your Pygmy Rover down by the dental-floss trees with the > rhinestone-encrusted tweezers? > aj"Gonna dig out those albums tonight...8*) Funny, I've been working at Joe's Garage too... ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: "PCG" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: Of Cat Sh*t, Burnout, and Sierra Clubs My father perhaps the smartest man I know is fond of saying "all things in moderation" if applied to any of the topics discussed on this list. 1. it may not taste good 2. it may not feel good. 3. it will not satisfy the masses but it won't kill ya Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chala, Richard Justin - BUS" <CHARJ112@bus.orst.edu> Subject: Flash from past (parabolic springs), brakes, Castrol Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:47:57 -0800 Hello all, Quick question on parabolic springs..Has anybody on the list tried them? My springs are really tired, so I am considering my options. Has anybody done a spring over axle conversion.......maybe with springs with less arc so the driveling angles wouldn't be too out of whack, but there wouldn't be as much to catch stumps, etc when "out-playing." Any ideas?? :-) I was also wondering if anyone on the list has done, or has heard of, a disc brake conversion? I am able to buy my Castrol GTLMA at Knecht's, Walmart, Fred Meyer, Kmart, and Payless. BTW, my clutch slave cylinder is leaking a little on my exhaust pipe...so I guess I have been suffering from the Castrol "nerve" gas effect...(kinda smells like burning celery)... Now I have an Excellent excuse for my poor performance on my final exams!!! I knew something was wrong.... ;-) Take care all, Rich Chala charj112@bus.orst.edu _____ [__[__\==_ *[_"___|__]) ____(o)___(o)__________ _______________________________________ Series III, 88" Land Rover 4x4 ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 11 Dec 97 12:46:44 MST Subject: IIa transmission troubles... From: David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com Bill explains; > My guess of what causes the failure starts with a bad design coupled with > possible increasing endfloat together with excessive second gear thrust > against the split ring and in turn against the machined shaft collar. The > machined shaft collar holding the split ring and second gear, finally fails > and breaks away like dominoes. Possible driver problem not being able to... HEY!!! I went through that just last year!! I even have an extra split ring somewhere if someone wants to buy one... Maybe I should keep it as a spare?? Sounds like a class action suit to me! ;-) How many others of us have had this happen to them? And mine was only 25 years old at the time! Dang thing should have lasted longer than that!! Dave (I must be bored!) Brown Never give up your life for #=======# _____l___ anything that death can take away. |__|__|__\___ //__|__|__\___ -anonymous | _| | |_ |} \__ - ____ - _|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:16:23 -0500 From: "M.Gaines" <MikeGaines1@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Dog music cure anf Freelander Hi Guys, Dropped into my local LR dealers today to pick up a prop-shaft gaiter and wandered over to look at their new Freeloader. Firs= t impression ids that its big and build quality looks v. good indeed. Secon= d impression was that simpering faggot sales creep did not like a Series driver (covered in crap from replacing exhaust) actually touching it (I= should have got me & the dogs in to check if they liked it). While they didn't actually say anything, I got the impression they wanted me outa there. Perhaps it was when I said " Hey no oil leaks, is it empty then?"= Think I'll go back next week wearing a suit, askmfor a test drive and ta= ke it off road 8^). On the Music front its gotta be Good Vibrations, tho I,m somewhat releive= d that so many opted for Ride of The Valkyries, thats really only applicabl= e to air portables8^) as its also the Regimental March of the Parachute Regiment. Now, try and march in time to that and you'll see why they go b= y air! Only sounds in mine is the CB and the dogs farting. Cheers, MikeG Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda' = ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:54:12 -0500 Subject: CB Mount RR Where is the best place to mount a CB in a 91 RR Countyand still be able to access necessary buttons (ie radio and hella's) Just curious as to how other mount theirs. Chris 91 RR County ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:32:35 EST Subject: What Sierra Club posting? I've only seen some to-&-fro about this Sierra Club thing between Uncle Roger and DEFENDER@ibm.net. Where's the original posting? Can someone fwd it to me? thanks, pat 93 110 ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:08:12 -0700 (MST) From: Todd <tad@selway.umt.edu> Subject: Rear Door Howdy- I'm looking for a rear door to put on my presently tailgated '65 IIA SWB. I'm looking for one in Western Montana, the Seattle area, or any point in between. I could be persuaded to do this through the mail as well... Todd Ondick (406)721-4534 '65 IIA 88" (Leaky is in the lead) ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:17:32 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Dog music cure anf Freelander M.Gaines wrote: > Hi Guys, > Dropped into my local LR dealers today to pick up a > prop-shaft gaiter and wandered over to look at their new Freeloader. First > impression ids that its big and build quality looks v. good indeed. Second > impression was that simpering faggot sales creep did not like a Series > driver (covered in crap from replacing exhaust) actually touching it (I > should have got me & the dogs in to check if they liked it). While they [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)] > Only sounds in mine is the CB and the dogs farting. > Cheer You can hear your dogs fart WOW! I need you to help with the sound insulation of Muddy. But leave the dogs in your truck OK. John ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:22:20 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Landy Music >At 02:22 PM 12/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >>what about"skrewdriver" or "Fortress"? not wimpy or PC at all... >Speaking of not-necessarily-PC, how about Frank Zappa's "Montana" for those >days when SBU hits? >"Movin' to Montana soon / Gonna be a dental floss tycoon..." >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- >Uncle Roger I don't know Fortress but I know Skrewdriver is a bit more non-PC than Zappa. Screwdriver is (or at least used to be) a British Skinhead/Nazi band. FWIW...If I had a player in my truck I'd be playing what was playing when my truck was born. Stones (old), Yardbirds and above all The Kinks. Classy Britpop from it's finest year. Dave 1966 SWB ragtop God Save the Kinks! ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RykRover <RykRover@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:13:22 EST Subject: Re: New LR vs. Old Dependability I have put 13K miles on my D-90 this year with no problems. :^) as for the mileage question, I get 16mpg at 65-70, 18mpg at 45mph. so take it from there. RGDS, Rick `63 SIIa 88'' `94 D-90 soft top `96 Disco SD ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RykRover <RykRover@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:27:51 EST Subject: Re: Freelander post(OFFENSIVE) MIKE G , AS A GAY MULTI-ROVER OWNER I AM VERY OFFENDED AT YOUR COMMENT IN YOUR EMAIL!!!!!!!!! I THINK THAT WE ALL CAN DO WITHOUT ALL THIS CRAP. I`LL THANK YOU TO KEEP YOUR F#@&ING COMMENTS TO YOURSELF! VERY PISSED OFF, RICK VALENTINO `63 SIIA 88'' `94 D-90 soft top `96 Disco Sd ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:35:03 -0800 (PST) From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: CB Mount RR Chris, >Where is the best place to mount a CB in a 91 RR Countyand still be able to >access necessary buttons (ie radio and hella's) Just curious as to how >other mount theirs. Scott Dickinson (not on this list) keeps his loose, removing it when he's not using it. When he wants to use it, he stuffs it under the rear seat and turns around to use it. Sounds awkward to me but he says it works great. The CB he has just fits snugly there and doesn't shake loose when off-roading. He has the antenna permanently mounted on his rear lamp guard and runs the cable in through a tailgate weep hole, under the rear carpet or some such, so it's always ready for use when he wants to put in the CB. I think he plugs the power into the rear lighter socket. For more details, contact Scott at <Scott.Dickinson@Eng.Sun.COM> Another of my friends has his antenna (firestick) mounted on the rear lamp guard in the same manner. I plan to do the same antenna set-up but with a hand-held that I'll plug into the always-available antenna. I figure the hand-held can just tuck between me and the console or sit in the cubby box. I'll be interested to hear what you decide to do. Granville "Granny" Pool Redwood Valley, CA, USA '92 RR County & 2 LR 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:22:56 EST Subject: i want a winch!!!!!! advice welcome on winch for my 88 lla i would like advice on capstain i like the idea but do not have winch experiance also am willing to buy complete unit thanks dave walls 65 lla 88 (Land Chaser) ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:53:52 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Landy Music David Kurzman wrote: > >At 02:22 PM 12/10/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>what about"skrewdriver" or "Fortress"? not wimpy or PC at all... > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger > I don't know Fortress but I know Skrewdriver is a bit more non-PC than [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > Britpop from it's finest year. > Dave 1966 SWB ragtop God Save the Kinks! Now here is a man with taste, this is good music and brings back some good memories of my mid teens. I went to a Kinks concert in Eastbourne about 1/2 way through the lead singer started swearing at the audience about how stupid they all were because they wanted to hear the bands hit songs not some experimental stuff.Ended up the crowd left in disgust while they played to an empty hall. John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:51:41 +0000 From: "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" <teddy@javanet.com> Subject: subscribe real time subscribe real time distribution ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:57:55 -0800 From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson) Subject: Re: i want a winch!!!!!! I'll be needing to unload a winch after the first of the year. I have a 9,000lb warn on the truck now. While I was shopping for a truck, the widow down the street had a huge sale. In the stuff was this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch at that point so I told her that if it didn't sell I'd buy it. It has the name beaver cast in the front and it looks like a starter with some reduction gears between the winch motor and the spool. He had it mounted on a receiver assembly so he could install it on his truck when he was salvaging logs. He'd use the winch to pull the fallen trees up to the road then after sawing them to length he'd split them with a home made hydraulic log splitter! Regardless, I told her I'd buy the thing but I only need one. If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more about it. tew ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: i want a winch!!!!!! > Author: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com> at Internet [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)] > dave walls > 65 lla 88 (Land Chaser) ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihull@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:17:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re:Burnout >> ....when I drive to work having people ask me what am I driving and how great it looks. *And* let's not forget those admiring glances as traffic passes us. Cheers!! John Dillingham Women swoon, children cheer, men think to themselves "I wish I were him"; yeah right. near Canton, GA KF4NAS LROA #1095 73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" 72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1 Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say: Land Rovers for Agriculture! Land Rovers for Industry! Land Rovers for Recreation! Land Rovers forever!! D.V. ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:12:52 -0500 From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net> Subject: Re: A Little Lightweight Music Easton Trevor wrote: > Ignorant of the finer nuances of musical appreciation, I have noticed > that one album from Bryan Adams is adorned with a somewhat recognizable > 5 stud wheel. Maybe this album has something appropriate. At least the > case could be displayed prominently. Perhaps Bryan as an LRO is lurking > out there on this list. Let us know your suggestions if you are. My > personal suggestions lean towards Brass Bands though neither Miss > Golightly or Flossie have a radio so it's somewhat academic. I read somewhere on the net that he is an LRO. -- Winn Bearden P.O. Box 464 Americus, GA 31709 912-924-6513 (H) 912-928-4984 (CELL) ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:45:57 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs At 08:38 PM 12/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >This person, who was a deep admirer of Greenpeace despite what the seal fur >ban has done to the Inuit, berated me for the space of two beers at the bar >for "despoiling" the wilderness. This person insisted that the only place I hope he paid for the beers at least! 8^) But seriously, thanks for an excellent example of a big part of the problem. Some years ago, McDonalds (the fast food place, not the farmer) switched from evil styrofoam containers to nice and friendly paper ones. Ooh, the public loved that. How environmentally friendly! Only problem is, now there are lots of cardboard mcdonalds boxes in landfills, instead of styrofoam mcdonalds boxes being recycled into new boxes. (But McDonalds was interesting in Public Relations, not saving the environment.) >That all said, there is a terrible number of idiots out there with huge >earth destroying machines who are working hard to get all of us into trouble. Therein lies the other big problem -- A few people ruining it for the rest of us. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:46:04 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs At 09:03 AM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am also tired of hearing people on this list talk down to jeepers. A >4x4 is a 4x4 and we all share a common interest. I know of many jeep >clubs that do trail maintenance and work to keep trails open. I have I certainly did not mean to imply that "jeepers" (either those who own Jeeps or those who own 4x4's and use them for recreational off-highway driving) are somehow less than LRO's. (Well, they are, but only because LR's are cooler than anything else.) >owners period. I do, however, think that it is ignorant of you to state >that jeepers are the problem. And no, I do not think that the vehicle >you drive determines your off/on road manners. I did not state that jeepers are the problem. I said that there are a few idiots out there. I do think that the vast majority of them are non-LR owners, simply because the vast majority of 4x4 owners are non-LR owners. >> Unfortunately, not everyone with a four-wheel-drive vehicle is an LRO. >Unfortunately, this is an ignorant statement. You do not have to have a >Rover to be a 'good' offroader. Actually, this is a true statement (other than the "Unfortunately" part, which is my opinion, and, in retrospect, may indeed not be true (what if everyone did own a Land Rover?) but certainly wouldn't classify it as "ignorant".) I never said that you had to have a rover to be a good offroader. (What I implied is that most LRO's are good offroaders.) >Not all of them. You seem to have blinders on when it comes to people >that own land rovers. Not at all. I was talking about people who lump all off-highway drivers together, whether they're: - "idiots who don't care about destroying everything so long as they can get their truck muddy" or - "LRO's who come home with more trash than they left with." (or, presumably, anyone in between.) >Some LRO's are idiots. Some Jeepers are idiots. You can not base it on >the behicle of choice. Never did. I did use the generic term "jeep" (non-capitalized) in "destroyed meadows with jeep tracks in them", but I certainly did not mean to imply that only Jeep owners (capitalized) are idiots. Believe me, idiots are *everywhere*! My point was, and still is, that there are idiots out there who do a whole lot of damage that 1) we (responsible off-highway enthusiasts) get blamed for, 2) causes us to loose access to off-highway areas, and 3) destroys the areas we're as interested in preserving as anyone else. (Along with the minor points that a lot of people don't bother to look at the facts and just automatically jump on the nearest 4x4 owner, that Land Rovers are cooler than Jeeps (or jeeps) and that my brother is an a**hole. Don't lend him money.) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Sputtering Along So, I'm getting close to solving some "intermittent running" problems with the IIA. After the motor coughed and sputtered a lot I decided to look into the fuel system. (this is after I replaced a faulty positive battery cable). Today I yanked all the fuel lines (including the pick up tube from the new DAP tank) and rebuilt the fuel pump. I discovered that the stock pick-up tube was just a tad to long for the new tank, causing it not to pick up the way it's supposed to because it's pressed against the tank bottom. I couldn't figure out a way to remove the screen from the end to shorten it so I just put a few more gaskets on the top, elevating the end of the tube another 1/8th of an inch or so. Is that screen important? Can I pull it off an hack another eight of an inch or so off the end? Anyone else had this problem? It's still sputtering (like fuel starvation) so I'm guessing that I need to do more. Chris Stevens Towson, MD 1969 Series IIa 88" SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:07:40 -0800 Wow another Ministry fan. Me, I love listening to Minstry, Skinny Puppy, and Sisters of Mercy when I'm on the dirt, and Live when i'm on the pavement. P.S. does your Rover sputter when playing the good stuff? The commercials always are playing the classical stuff. Charles '97D90#1927 >John Cranfield Wrote: >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:47:00 -0400 >From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> >Subject: Re: Landy Music >DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote: >> I find that I like listening to some good Ministry, KMFDM, or the like >> when off roading, NPR when going to or from work, and Blues when I am >> with my girl friend. ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:27:44 EST Subject: Series LR Music Semih Bingol wrote: >On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we >half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners? I seem to remember an old rock song "Shake, Rattle, and Roll" that might be appropriate. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 "Red Rufy" '95 Disco "EFE" ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: Series burn out cure? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:31:36 +1100 Uncle Roger wrote: >You'll go to bars and snub the big-breasted bimbos >in favor of the greasy bikers, simply because they smell "right". That's it! I'm getting out of the Rover clan if that's what's gonna happen to me! Regards, Ron Beckett Emu Plains, NSW, Australia '86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila) '71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual '67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto '67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:31:45 +0100 (MET) From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no> Subject: Re: Rover music On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Charles Morris wrote: > Wow another Ministry fan. Me, I love listening to Minstry, Skinny Puppy, > and Sisters of Mercy when I'm on the dirt, and Live when i'm on the > pavement. Actually, I find Rage Against the Machine rather appropriate at times. Especially times such as this morning when I ran out of gas during rush-hour, only to discover that my secondary tank was also empty... Anyway, some litres of petrol later I was In Transit again (listening to Saga of course. Pun intended :-) I've also found that Ministry can be very helpful in negotiating the highways during rush hour ;-) Rgds, Terje Krogdahl 1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol (only vehicle, daily driver, !burned out) Norwegian Land Rover Club www.land.rover.no ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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